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| 03:56.02 | mrapple | does anyone have a mac 2.99.x build |
| 03:56.23 | mrapple | it fails everytime because of SDL |
| 03:57.49 | JeffM2501 | fails to build or run? |
| 03:58.51 | mrapple | build |
| 03:59.07 | mrapple | i tried all the --disable-sdl options |
| 03:59.15 | mrapple | and it fails on sdl anyways |
| 03:59.16 | JeffM2501 | you dont' want to disable SDL |
| 03:59.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's needed |
| 03:59.23 | mrapple | well if i enable it it fails :P |
| 03:59.26 | JeffM2501 | what SDL framework do you have? |
| 03:59.36 | JeffM2501 | 32 or 64 |
| 03:59.37 | mrapple | good question *looks* |
| 04:04.23 | mrapple | 64 |
| 04:04.52 | JeffM2501 | what's the error the compiler gives you? |
| 04:05.14 | mrapple | ill look |
| 04:05.25 | mrapple | should i reconfigure with sdl? |
| 04:06.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:06.12 | JeffM2501 | SDL is the default build |
| 04:06.14 | JeffM2501 | it should work |
| 04:06.29 | JeffM2501 | my guess is you are building 32 bit bzflag with a 64 bit SDL |
| 04:06.31 | mrapple | so if i just re run ./configure it will enable sdl right? |
| 04:06.33 | JeffM2501 | but the error will show |
| 04:06.43 | JeffM2501 | if I were you I'd redo augo gen and configure |
| 04:06.56 | mrapple | i just checked out like a few days ago |
| 04:07.04 | JeffM2501 | so? |
| 04:07.11 | mrapple | its a fresh checkout |
| 04:07.15 | JeffM2501 | so? |
| 04:07.21 | mrapple | nevermind then... |
| 04:07.32 | JeffM2501 | that dosn't mean anything to autogen and configure |
| 04:07.40 | mrapple | ok |
| 04:07.54 | JeffM2501 | and you've mucked with various options |
| 04:08.06 | JeffM2501 | redoing autogen will ensure it all gets rebuild with the defaults |
| 04:08.17 | JeffM2501 | and it should check for SDL |
| 04:08.27 | JeffM2501 | it'll be interesting to see if it finds it |
| 04:10.02 | mrapple | ./configure found sdl |
| 04:10.12 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 04:10.16 | JeffM2501 | then build and pastebin the error |
| 04:10.22 | mrapple | and make just failed |
| 04:10.35 | mrapple | http://pastebin.com/dYKhyBGa |
| 04:11.03 | JeffM2501 | that's all there is of the error? |
| 04:11.12 | mrapple | yes |
| 04:11.22 | JeffM2501 | the entire output of make was seven lines? |
| 04:11.58 | JeffM2501 | also what version of SDL do you have? 1.2 or 1.3 and is it the linux tree or the framework? |
| 04:12.04 | mrapple | that was the error |
| 04:12.15 | mrapple | i have 1.2.14 mac |
| 04:12.23 | mrapple | framework |
| 04:12.49 | JeffM2501 | was there an option to do 64 or 32 bit? |
| 04:13.08 | mrapple | not on the download page |
| 04:13.14 | mrapple | it was default 64 |
| 04:13.22 | JeffM2501 | was that during it's install? |
| 04:13.31 | JeffM2501 | where did it say 64? |
| 04:13.42 | mrapple | i checked in the framework |
| 04:13.56 | JeffM2501 | in the DMG is there a 32 bit version? |
| 04:14.12 | mrapple | no its 64 only |
| 04:15.23 | JeffM2501 | you may want to try 13 |
| 04:15.29 | mrapple | ok |
| 04:16.07 | mrapple | they only have 1.2 on their site? |
| 04:16.14 | JeffM2501 | as a link sure |
| 04:16.21 | JeffM2501 | it's not hard to find the old version ;) |
| 04:16.34 | JeffM2501 | the error smells of something in the header file |
| 04:16.39 | mrapple | wait isnt 1.3 newer then 1.2 |
| 04:16.41 | JeffM2501 | but it's hard to say with out seeing what was above that |
| 04:16.47 | JeffM2501 | I didn't say 1.3 |
| 04:16.50 | JeffM2501 | I said 13 |
| 04:16.51 | mrapple | 13? |
| 04:16.53 | JeffM2501 | 1.2.13 |
| 04:17.06 | mrapple | oh |
| 04:17.10 | JeffM2501 | http://www.libsdl.org/release/SDL-1.2.13.dmg |
| 04:17.44 | mrapple | i know i already got it |
| 04:18.28 | mrapple | so just rerun make? |
| 04:18.36 | JeffM2501 | that's one thing to try |
| 04:18.43 | mrapple | or redo configure too |
| 04:19.06 | JeffM2501 | if .13 replaced .14, then trying make is valid |
| 04:19.16 | JeffM2501 | if they are installed at the same time then configure may be in order |
| 04:19.37 | mrapple | make failed *does configure* |
| 04:19.49 | BulletCatcher | If you do run configure again, then do a "make distclean" first to clean up the old info. |
| 04:19.55 | mrapple | ok |
| 04:20.19 | JeffM2501 | I do recall some people mentioning some version specific oddities with SDL on the old 'tosh |
| 04:20.59 | JeffM2501 | but then I am also not a credible source :) |
| 04:21.13 | mrapple | heh |
| 04:22.15 | JeffM2501 | I don't recall if it was a problem between 12/13/14, or 1.2/1.3 |
| 04:22.53 | JeffM2501 | it could be that 14 has changes that are incompatable with the objective C file for sdl that is in the repo |
| 04:23.05 | JeffM2501 | it was pulled from .12 or .13 IIRC |
| 04:24.34 | mrapple | ok it failed |
| 04:24.39 | mrapple | same error |
| 04:27.38 | JeffM2501 | you build with command line or xcode? |
| 04:28.22 | mrapple | command line |
| 04:29.58 | BulletCatcher | SDL has been a moving target for the last few months, and I don't think anyone has kept on top of what SDL version works in which Mac environment. |
| 04:30.10 | mrapple | *sigh* |
| 04:30.30 | JeffM2501 | welcome to development code :) |
| 04:30.44 | mrapple | :P |
| 04:30.46 | JeffM2501 | there should be a .m file somewhere in bzflag, it may say what version of SDL we are looking for |
| 04:30.56 | BulletCatcher | On my 10.4.11 MacBook, 2.99.x works without SDL. |
| 04:31.11 | mrapple | yah snow leopard is what breaks it |
| 04:31.30 | JeffM2501 | the old native OSX stuff was never kept that up to date |
| 04:31.53 | BulletCatcher | That sounds familiar. When Snow Leopard first came out someone got it working with SDL 1.3. |
| 04:32.16 | mrapple | so try that version? |
| 04:32.20 | BulletCatcher | But 1.3 wasn't very stable even then. |
| 04:32.20 | JeffM2501 | there it is SDLMain.m |
| 04:32.29 | JeffM2501 | mrapple, possibly |
| 04:32.30 | BulletCatcher | Yeah. I'd try SDL 1.3. |
| 04:32.44 | mrapple | 1.3 or 1.1.3 |
| 04:32.55 | JeffM2501 | 1.1 would be older then 1.3 |
| 04:32.58 | BulletCatcher | 1.1.3 would be very old. |
| 04:33.08 | JeffM2501 | you will probably have to build 1.3 as a framework |
| 04:33.12 | JeffM2501 | probably in xcode |
| 04:33.37 | mrapple | o i found someone who built it |
| 04:34.03 | BulletCatcher | BZFlag's cofigure checks for SDL 1.3, and may have some #ifdef's to support it. |
| 04:34.11 | JeffM2501 | there is another thing to try |
| 04:34.15 | mrapple | oh wait nvm |
| 04:34.31 | JeffM2501 | pull the SDLMain.m from whatever version of SDL you are using and replace the one we have with it |
| 04:34.39 | JeffM2501 | ours is from 1.2.9 with some mds |
| 04:34.41 | JeffM2501 | mods |
| 04:34.42 | mrapple | ok |
| 04:36.03 | JeffM2501 | at least they are working on SDL, it was deaded for a while there |
| 04:38.21 | mrapple | so if i just make install in the sdl framework it will replace the curent one? |
| 04:38.29 | JeffM2501 | dunno |
| 04:38.34 | JeffM2501 | read there docs and see |
| 04:39.17 | mrapple | yay it does |
| 04:40.19 | mrapple | bzflag still failed |
| 04:40.40 | JeffM2501 | probably have to talk to brlcad or Constitution then |
| 04:41.04 | JeffM2501 | goes back to deleting the torrent of email from his FTP uploader tests |
| 04:45.07 | mrapple | *sigh* ill look at it tomorrow |
| 04:45.28 | mrapple | i can always just build on the imac downstairs which has leopard :P |
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| 15:36.55 | mrapple | Constitution and brad ping |
| 15:37.06 | brad | hi |
| 15:37.09 | mrapple | hi |
| 15:37.25 | mrapple | jeffm said i should talk to you about compiling 3.0 with sdl on snow leopard |
| 15:38.00 | brad | me?? I don't even have a mac |
| 15:38.05 | brad | const will know :p |
| 15:38.31 | brad | oh, you meant brlcad I guess |
| 15:38.34 | mrapple | oh |
| 15:38.41 | mrapple | always get you two confused... |
| 15:38.43 | brad | common tab-completion fail :p |
| 15:38.47 | mrapple | yah |
| 15:38.50 | mrapple | brlcad: ping |
| 15:38.51 | mrapple | :P |
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| 17:38.35 | brlcad | hm |
| 17:41.55 | JeffM2501 | jiffypop? it's all about the hot air popped stuff man! |
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| 18:12.23 | brlcad | JeffM2501: not when the game is about to start, otherwise it would have been stove-popped with my custom blend of spices and butter |
| 18:12.42 | JeffM2501 | too greasy |
| 18:12.49 | brlcad | smacks lips |
| 18:17.04 | JeffM2501 | did you see the issues with OSX and sdl last night? |
| 18:20.23 | spldart | oh! wasn |
| 18:20.25 | spldart | t |
| 18:20.33 | spldart | oops... wasn't there a uk us game today? |
| 18:36.50 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r21220 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/Makefile.am: Add distclean-local and maintainer-clean-local targets to clean up where ares, curl, and ftgl don't do it themselves. |
| 18:44.25 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r21221 10/trunk/bzflag/ (configure.ac src/other/Makefile.am): |
| 18:44.25 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: Always configure plugins, ares, curl, & ftgl even if they will not be built. |
| 18:44.25 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: This provides full support for the various dist and clean targets to "make" at the expense of some extra work at configure time. |
| 18:47.44 | BulletCatcher | With r21221, a "make maintainer-clean" command will (almost) completely remove all of the files that are not in the Subversion repository. |
| 18:47.47 | BulletCatcher | There are still 5 ares and curl files in svn that are modified at build time. |
| 18:49.28 | BulletCatcher | One of them is src/other/ares/ares_build.h, which is used (but not generated) by MSVC. |
| 18:50.10 | JeffM2501 | why isn't it in the repo if it's used by vc? |
| 18:50.16 | JeffM2501 | and who generates it? |
| 18:50.44 | BulletCatcher | It is in svn because MSVC doesn't generate it. |
| 18:50.55 | BulletCatcher | We should rename it to avoid conflict. |
| 18:51.02 | JeffM2501 | oh I thought you meant that it wasn't in svn |
| 18:51.12 | JeffM2501 | where is it included? |
| 18:51.19 | BulletCatcher | ares.vcproj |
| 18:51.22 | JeffM2501 | cus you can just move it to the msvc dir |
| 18:51.31 | JeffM2501 | I mean what cpp file includes it |
| 18:51.44 | JeffM2501 | just being in a proj file dosn't mean it's used by a file |
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| 18:52.47 | JeffM2501 | if it's something that is autogenerated on linux, but needed on windows, like our config.h then we can put it in the same place as the windows config.h and that gets it out of the path that linux will use |
| 18:53.43 | BulletCatcher | It is included in ares_setup.h, which in turn is included by lots of ares source files. |
| 18:53.48 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:53.58 | JeffM2501 | and it's autogenerated by the config on linux right? |
| 18:54.01 | BulletCatcher | Yes. |
| 18:54.18 | JeffM2501 | ok, then just move it to the MSVC dir and I'll take care of fixing the project |
| 18:54.24 | JeffM2501 | then it won't conflict with you |
| 18:54.29 | BulletCatcher | Yay. |
| 18:54.34 | BulletCatcher | :-) |
| 18:54.46 | JeffM2501 | that should be the standard way to handle auto generated headers |
| 18:54.57 | BulletCatcher | Yes, we do that in other cases. |
| 18:55.19 | JeffM2501 | just make sure it gets included with a source tarball |
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| 19:03.42 | BulletCatcher | I finally found the other example I was looking for. |
| 19:03.44 | BulletCatcher | libcurl.vcproj copies curlbuildWin32.h (our file) to curlbuild.h in the standard location. |
| 19:03.55 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 19:04.31 | BulletCatcher | I don't care which way it is done, but I suggest we do it the same way for both packages. |
| 19:05.13 | JeffM2501 | do we use the libcurl.vcproj from the curl dir or ours that is in our msvc dir? |
| 19:05.26 | BulletCatcher | No clue. |
| 19:05.51 | JeffM2501 | it's in our dir |
| 19:06.06 | JeffM2501 | and if we have to mod it, I'd rather just mod it to include another path, not copy a file |
| 19:06.35 | JeffM2501 | the msvc/build dir should be included by all windows projects since it's the dir the project is in |
| 19:06.38 | JeffM2501 | the CWD |
| 19:06.52 | JeffM2501 | I'll convert the curl project |
| 19:07.02 | JeffM2501 | if you move the ares stuff and make it happy with the tarball |
| 19:07.12 | BulletCatcher | I can do that. |
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| 19:10.38 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r21222 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/build/curlbuild.h: get us a curlbuild.h |
| 19:12.01 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r21223 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/build/Makefile.am: include curlbuild.h in yon makefile |
| 19:12.54 | JeffM2501 | heh, it only copied it for debug builds |
| 19:13.22 | JeffM2501 | ahh I see one issue |
| 19:13.25 | BulletCatcher | But that left it in place for others. |
| 19:13.28 | JeffM2501 | we'll need a curl dir in the msvc build dir |
| 19:13.40 | JeffM2501 | BulletCatcher, if you did a debug build before a release |
| 19:13.49 | JeffM2501 | not something we say you have to do :) |
| 19:14.04 | BulletCatcher | Yeah, but in practice that probably happened. |
| 19:14.28 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r21224 10/trunk/bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Move ares_build.h from src/other/ares to MSVC/build directory. |
| 19:15.51 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r21225 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/build/ (5 files in 2 dirs): move curlbuild to a dir in the build dir |
| 19:16.03 | JeffM2501 | I'll need you to make sure that new curl dir gets into the makefile for tarbal |
| 19:16.10 | BulletCatcher | Will do. |
| 19:16.10 | JeffM2501 | that part I don't know how to do |
| 19:16.55 | JeffM2501 | time to see if it builds :) |
| 19:17.52 | mrapple | Constitution and brlcad ping again |
| 19:18.35 | brlcad | hm? |
| 19:19.16 | blast007 | brlcad: he was having issues building trunk on OSX 10.6 with SDL |
| 19:19.19 | JeffM2501 | he could not get 2.99 to build on current OSX due to SDL issues |
| 19:19.31 | JeffM2501 | looked like header issues to me |
| 19:19.43 | blast007 | http://pastebin.com/dYKhyBGa |
| 19:21.03 | brlcad | yeah, some sdl issue |
| 19:21.13 | mrapple | yah any help would be great |
| 19:22.46 | brlcad | what version of SDL are you building against? |
| 19:22.46 | blast007 | mrapple: explaining your setup again would be required for that :P |
| 19:22.57 | blast007 | sdl version, etc |
| 19:23.13 | JeffM2501 | he said he tried 1.2.14, 1.2.13, and 1.3 |
| 19:23.13 | mrapple | er i tried 1.2.14 and 1.2.13 |
| 19:23.19 | mrapple | yah |
| 19:23.20 | blast007 | didn't you try 1.3 as well? |
| 19:23.23 | mrapple | yes i did |
| 19:23.34 | blast007 | and you did 'make install' with it? |
| 19:23.40 | brlcad | well that error makes sense for 1.3, but not for 1.2 |
| 19:23.42 | mrapple | yes |
| 19:23.56 | blast007 | and you still have 1.3 installed along with the other version(s)? |
| 19:24.07 | mrapple | er just 1.3 now |
| 19:24.11 | brlcad | so did you get the EXACT same error with all three, or did you just notice all three failed, and that's the last one |
| 19:24.34 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r21226 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/build/ (ares.vcproj bzadmin.vcproj bzflag.vcproj libcurl.vcproj): make curl and ares work with new windows only header locations (same as config.h) |
| 19:24.36 | mrapple | hm all three failed and im almost positive they were the same error |
| 19:24.45 | JeffM2501 | BulletCatcher, that's all I should have to do on windows |
| 19:25.09 | JeffM2501 | almost only counts in horseshoes, grenades, and atomic wars. |
| 19:25.13 | brlcad | once you install 1.3 and run configure, it's going to have a HAVE_SDL_1_3 detected by configure |
| 19:25.45 | brlcad | which will make it try to use 1.3, so remove 1.3 for starters, distclean |
| 19:25.53 | mrapple | ok |
| 19:26.08 | brlcad | rerun configure with 1.2 and see what error happens |
| 19:26.17 | BulletCatcher | JeffM2501: Cool. I am still doing some cleanup on the unix side. |
| 19:27.15 | brlcad | grep HAVE_SDL_ include/config.h to verify that it's not detected |
| 19:27.23 | brlcad | should be undef'd |
| 19:27.46 | JeffM2501 | hmmm now do I go and fix a stepper controller, or buy a new helicopter after I get my haircut? ... |
| 19:28.14 | BulletCatcher | JeffM2501: Can you tell whether libcurl.vcproj vc6libcurl.dsp in src/other/curl/lib are used for MSVC builds? If not, then I can clean them up too. |
| 19:28.38 | JeffM2501 | the only proj we use is in our dir |
| 19:28.40 | brlcad | new heli! |
| 19:28.48 | JeffM2501 | we use nothing from the source tree |
| 19:28.53 | JeffM2501 | we copy from the tree to our dir, then mod |
| 19:29.03 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, how's yours going? |
| 19:29.08 | BulletCatcher | Okay. I will tidy them up. If it breaks something, then we know how to revert. |
| 19:29.16 | JeffM2501 | it has a tail motor right? |
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| 19:32.52 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r21227 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/curl/include/curl/ (Makefile.am curlbuildWin32.h): Delete src/other/curl/include/curl/curlbuildWin32.h, which has been moved to the MSVC/build/curl directory. |
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| 19:44.18 | delusional | i'm pretty sure to build bzflag 2.99 on snow leopard with SDL, all you gotta do is get the SDL 1.2.14 SOURCE and compile it, NOT the dev libraries, NOT the devel-extras files, NOT SDL 1.3.... I'm working with mrapple now, and I'll be sure in half an hour or so. |
| 19:44.58 | delusional | With SDL 1.3 I had problems with deprecated functions. So no 1.3 even though it says 1.3 is required |
| 19:45.50 | BulletCatcher | Thanks, delusional. If we can get it documented in the README.MacOSX file it should be easier in the future. |
| 19:46.10 | BulletCatcher | And what it says about 1.3 in configure can be fixed, too. |
| 19:46.11 | JeffM2501 | wonder why the framework dosn't work |
| 19:46.15 | delusional | bzflag does say that 1.3 is required. maybe remove that, too. |
| 19:47.21 | mrapple | bzflag is compiling now, no errors yet |
| 19:49.20 | delusional | i think you can make the framework work, if you install a symlink. SDL doesnt install in the place bzflag looks for it. |
| 19:49.30 | delusional | but don't take my word for that. |
| 19:49.59 | JeffM2501 | then perhaps configure just needs to be changed to look in the right spot :) |
| 19:50.08 | mrapple | well still no errors, and it usually fails by now |
| 19:50.14 | JeffM2501 | we should be able to make it work with the framework |
| 19:51.02 | mrapple | im going to have some lunch, hopefully it will be compiled when i get back :P |
| 20:08.28 | Cobra_Fast | ping ts |
| 20:08.55 | *** join/#bzflag Upsetter1 (~er@88.130.172.214) |
| 20:09.23 | Cobra_Fast | ping Upsetter1 - admin on bzf54? |
| 20:09.38 | mrapple_away | WOOT |
| 20:09.49 | mrapple | yay for compiled 2.99! |
| 20:09.55 | mrapple | THANK YOU delusional and everyone |
| 20:10.04 | mrapple | someone wanna update the readme.macosx |
| 20:10.44 | *** part/#bzflag Upsetter1 (~er@88.130.172.214) |
| 20:10.58 | delusional | no problem |
| 20:15.41 | Cobra_Fast | we seriously need an admin for bzf54 - aleluia and -panda- who just got banned off GU are trolling around there |
| 20:16.17 | me1 | bzf54 is a public server, no? |
| 20:16.21 | mrapple | -panda- isnt a troll |
| 20:16.25 | *** join/#bzflag R0b0t1 (~Enigma@unaffiliated/r0b0t1) |
| 20:16.26 | Cobra_Fast | he is |
| 20:16.34 | me1 | GU bans don't apply to the public servers |
| 20:16.47 | Cobra_Fast | thats why we need an admin |
| 20:17.18 | Cobra_Fast | theyre doing exactly what they got banned for there - foul language |
| 20:17.40 | me1 | looks like they aren't htere |
| 20:17.55 | Cobra_Fast | fsjgf... ans asgmx... |
| 20:18.07 | Cobra_Fast | they changed callsigns because we tried to pollban them off |
| 20:18.52 | me1 | I don't see anyone with foul language. barely anyone talking. |
| 20:19.01 | me1 | would you happen to have their new callsigns/proof? |
| 20:19.20 | Cobra_Fast | ? |
| 20:23.10 | blast007 | mrapple: submit a patch ;) |
| 20:23.20 | mrapple | heh ok |
| 20:23.36 | Cobra_Fast | i would like to know how to do that. just in case. |
| 20:24.11 | blast007 | how to do what? |
| 20:24.57 | Cobra_Fast | create a patch file |
| 20:25.10 | Cobra_Fast | that would be uploaded to the sf.net tracker then |
| 20:25.38 | blast007 | Cobra_Fast: svn diff > name_of_patch.diff |
| 20:25.51 | Cobra_Fast | so i need to install svn stuff first? |
| 20:26.18 | Cobra_Fast | i totally dont get it. |
| 20:26.21 | blast007 | if you're intending to submit patches, you should be doing so against the latest code, so, yeah |
| 20:27.50 | blast007 | Cobra_Fast: what are you asking, exactly |
| 20:29.32 | blast007 | Cobra_Fast: if you look on the page to submit patches (on the patch tracker's "Add new" page) it tells you what to do. |
| 20:29.52 | Cobra_Fast | im just extremely unsure about how to create a valid diff file |
| 20:30.00 | Cobra_Fast | ok i will look at that |
| 20:30.22 | blast007 | in what context? submitting bzflag patches? between two files? between two directories? |
| 20:30.54 | Cobra_Fast | its one of the main reasons why i didnt contribute code or text or anything yet. |
| 20:31.06 | Cobra_Fast | if would have done so if i knew how to do it. |
| 20:31.27 | blast007 | okay, so "yes, bzflag patches" :P |
| 20:31.52 | BulletCatcher | Patches are created with the "diff" program. It has lots of options, so you should read the man page for it. |
| 20:32.10 | blast007 | if he's doing it for bzflag, he will use 'svn diff' |
| 20:32.14 | blast007 | not 'diff' |
| 20:32.34 | Cobra_Fast | oh there is a special program for windows users |
| 20:32.45 | blast007 | tortoiseSVN |
| 20:32.55 | blast007 | makes it all nice and clicky |
| 20:33.08 | BulletCatcher | The diff man page provides helpful background for what "svn diff" does. |
| 20:33.54 | BulletCatcher | But Windows users probably won't have "diff" or even man pages, so never mind. |
| 20:33.59 | mrapple | blast007: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3015582&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 20:34.26 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: I'm just a freak here, so I have commands like 'ls' and 'patch' on my Windows XP system ;) |
| 20:34.54 | BulletCatcher | That's an abomination. :-) |
| 20:35.00 | blast007 | naw |
| 20:36.44 | Cobra_Fast | am i at the right place there: http://tortoisesvn.net/downloads ?? |
| 20:37.51 | BulletCatcher | http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN has helpful info on using Subversion. |
| 20:38.41 | BulletCatcher | Cobra_Fast: That seems to be the right place. |
| 20:38.51 | Cobra_Fast | thanks! |
| 20:39.12 | BulletCatcher | I got there by following the link from the wiki page. |
| 20:53.04 | Cobra_Fast | was the example badwords file updated yet? |
| 20:53.19 | Cobra_Fast | (so this could be my first patch) |
| 20:55.50 | Cobra_Fast | blast007: v3_0_alpha2 is the current tag to work on isnt it? |
| 20:57.45 | BulletCatcher | The bad words file was updated in v2_0branch, but not in trunk, so you could submit a patch for that. |
| 20:58.04 | BulletCatcher | Tag hierarchies normally stay frozen. |
| 20:58.26 | Cobra_Fast | so where would i get the current trunk from? |
| 20:58.40 | Cobra_Fast | oh its right there |
| 20:59.01 | BulletCatcher | http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN#Getting_code_from_SVN_Access gives the details. |
| 21:00.15 | Cobra_Fast | what URL would i put into tortoisesvn to download stuff? |
| 21:00.15 | blast007 | Cobra_Fast: use trunk |
| 21:00.33 | blast007 | v3_0_alpha2 was a major fail ;) |
| 21:01.22 | blast007 | but even if it worked, that wouldn't be the one to make patches against |
| 21:01.47 | Cobra_Fast | hmm it seems to require username and password |
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| 21:01.50 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 21:02.02 | blast007 | it should not require that to checkout |
| 21:02.05 | blast007 | only to commit |
| 21:02.26 | Cobra_Fast | argh ... i see me failing here |
| 21:02.33 | blast007 | what are you checking out? |
| 21:02.36 | blast007 | what URL? |
| 21:02.42 | Cobra_Fast | trunk/bzflag |
| 21:02.47 | blast007 | that's not a URL |
| 21:02.51 | Cobra_Fast | ok im new to this so im doing stuff wrong |
| 21:02.55 | Cobra_Fast | https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag |
| 21:02.56 | Cobra_Fast | this |
| 21:03.07 | blast007 | okay, that right. it should work just fine. |
| 21:03.16 | JeffM2501 | try just http |
| 21:03.21 | Cobra_Fast | i hit the wrong thing on the menu |
| 21:03.22 | blast007 | won't work |
| 21:03.29 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 21:03.45 | blast007 | Cobra_Fast: "SVN Checkout" |
| 21:03.51 | Cobra_Fast | yep got that now |
| 21:04.16 | Cobra_Fast | as i said im totally new to svn stuff so im doing things entirely wrong .P |
| 21:06.44 | Cobra_Fast | so does this keep the directory up to date by itself? |
| 21:06.52 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:06.57 | JeffM2501 | you do a svn update |
| 21:07.03 | Cobra_Fast | ok. |
| 21:07.07 | JeffM2501 | and it'll sync to the server |
| 21:13.45 | BulletCatcher | mrapple: When you installed SDL 1.2.14 did it go into the /Library/Frameworks folder? |
| 21:14.44 | mrapple | BulletCatcher: i ran it from ~ |
| 21:14.47 | mrapple | and just did sudo make install |
| 21:15.00 | mrapple | no it didnt go there |
| 21:15.56 | BulletCatcher | /usr/local, then? |
| 21:16.03 | mrapple | yes |
| 21:16.28 | BulletCatcher | Thanks. |
| 21:16.35 | mrapple | yep |
| 21:16.49 | JeffM2501 | is the sdl framework suposed to be installed via command line? |
| 21:16.57 | JeffM2501 | woudn't that install it the "linux way"? |
| 21:17.24 | BulletCatcher | That is what worked for him. |
| 21:17.33 | Cobra_Fast | so how would i change a file without overwriting the old one so i'm able to create a diff after editing? |
| 21:17.43 | JeffM2501 | what works and what is correct may not be the same thing ;) |
| 21:17.51 | JeffM2501 | Cobra_Fast, edit the file |
| 21:17.55 | JeffM2501 | let it overwrite |
| 21:18.01 | JeffM2501 | then use the SVN diff function |
| 21:18.08 | JeffM2501 | it will give you a diff from what it used to be |
| 21:18.30 | JeffM2501 | then you use SVN revert to put it back if you don't want the changes |
| 21:18.39 | Runic | sdl can be built as a framework or a dynamic lib on Mac OS X |
| 21:19.39 | BulletCatcher | Runic: We'd like documentation for how to do that. |
| 21:19.51 | Runic | if you use the framework you would pass gcc -framework SDL |
| 21:21.30 | BulletCatcher | Right now the best info we have on getting trunk to work with SDL on Snow Leopard is mrapple's instructions that put SDL in /usr/local. |
| 21:21.46 | mrapple | :D |
| 21:22.01 | JeffM2501 | that just means that trunk is busted :) |
| 21:22.03 | Cobra_Fast | ok how do i create a .diff file from that diff windows now? |
| 21:22.13 | Cobra_Fast | *window |
| 21:22.32 | JeffM2501 | right click in the folder |
| 21:22.37 | JeffM2501 | go to the svn menu |
| 21:22.37 | Cobra_Fast | alright seems like i found it "create unified diff file" |
| 21:22.42 | JeffM2501 | "Create patch" |
| 21:22.45 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:23.19 | JeffM2501 | you apply them with the apply patch item |
| 21:23.22 | JeffM2501 | it's quite easy |
| 21:23.32 | Runic | I have the 1.2.6 SDL frameworks and can build fine on 10.4 and 10.5 - haven't bought 10.6 yet but I see no reason for the existing framework to faial |
| 21:23.48 | Runic | *fail |
| 21:23.56 | BulletCatcher | Apparenly it does. |
| 21:23.59 | mrapple | Runic for some reason it fails :P |
| 21:24.10 | mrapple | something with sdl display |
| 21:24.33 | Runic | but wasn't that the newer version |
| 21:25.02 | JeffM2501 | if it works by just changing the location of the framework, that tells me that it's jut OUR config system, not anything else |
| 21:25.25 | Cobra_Fast | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3015595&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 21:25.31 | Cobra_Fast | i hope i did it the right way |
| 21:25.32 | Runic | they are built differently |
| 21:25.57 | Runic | frameworks are just wrapped up dynamic libs |
| 21:26.12 | JeffM2501 | if trunk dosn't build with a framework then we busted something |
| 21:26.16 | mrapple | Cobra_Fast: *headdesk* |
| 21:26.18 | Runic | cleaner and easier to install or remove |
| 21:26.20 | mrapple | nah jk looks fine :P |
| 21:26.24 | Cobra_Fast | mrapple: ewwwww :S |
| 21:26.29 | JeffM2501 | the release package is build with a framework |
| 21:26.55 | JeffM2501 | mrapple, does branch build on your system using the origonal framework? |
| 21:27.06 | mrapple | no |
| 21:27.12 | mrapple | well i dont think so |
| 21:27.18 | Runic | frameworks are considered the proper mac way |
| 21:27.20 | JeffM2501 | knowing is half the battle |
| 21:27.40 | Runic | where did you get it and what version was it? |
| 21:27.44 | mrapple | JeffM2501: want me to try and build it now? |
| 21:27.57 | JeffM2501 | it would help shed light on the problem |
| 21:28.20 | JeffM2501 | and tell us if it is a problem with trunk, a problem with 10.6 or a problem with your computer |
| 21:28.37 | blast007 | I'd say to try trunk again with it as well |
| 21:29.06 | blast007 | might have been a linux-style installed copy of SDL 1.3 on there already |
| 21:29.16 | mrapple | hmmm |
| 21:29.31 | mrapple | i have an imac downstairs i could test on |
| 21:29.36 | mrapple | with 10.6 |
| 21:29.50 | blast007 | so ditch the copy you 'make install'ed and get the framework binary package |
| 21:29.51 | JeffM2501 | it would be nice to get some mac back to a normal framework install |
| 21:29.56 | JeffM2501 | then build branch and trunk |
| 21:30.11 | JeffM2501 | then that will help narrow it down |
| 21:30.20 | mrapple | so i should use the framework then try building branch and trunk? |
| 21:30.22 | JeffM2501 | since your reports have been all over the place |
| 21:30.32 | blast007 | mrapple: yes |
| 21:30.35 | JeffM2501 | mrapple, only if you want to help solve the problem |
| 21:30.42 | mrapple | great ill go do that on my imac |
| 21:30.43 | mrapple | i |
| 21:30.43 | mrapple | t |
| 21:30.47 | JeffM2501 | and optimaly I'd like to see them build with xcode |
| 21:30.52 | JeffM2501 | not command line |
| 21:30.53 | mrapple | it doesnt have any sdl or bzflag installed |
| 21:31.07 | mrapple | ill go work on that |
| 21:34.18 | BulletCatcher | Cobra_Fast: In America, "spastic" isn't generally considered to be a naughty word like the others. Is it bad in Germany anyway? |
| 21:34.29 | Cobra_Fast | it is |
| 21:34.34 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 21:34.39 | BulletCatcher | Okay. |
| 21:34.50 | BulletCatcher | I'm looking at his multilingualSwearList.txt patch. |
| 21:34.51 | Cobra_Fast | you say it at people behaving stupid |
| 21:34.55 | JeffM2501 | so? |
| 21:35.01 | Cobra_Fast | but its not a gentle way to do so |
| 21:35.10 | JeffM2501 | what would the gentle way be? |
| 21:35.20 | JeffM2501 | "sir you are acting of a loon, please desist!" |
| 21:35.30 | Cobra_Fast | (i didnt know if i translated it correctly to english) |
| 21:35.37 | BulletCatcher | It sounds like it might be equivalent to calling someone a retard in the US. |
| 21:35.48 | Cobra_Fast | yeah thats probably more fitting |
| 21:36.02 | JeffM2501 | cus people spas out all the time :) |
| 21:36.18 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r21228 10/trunk/bzflag/misc/samples/multilingualSwearList.txt: |
| 21:36.18 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: apply sf patch 3015595 (Fixied some spelling misstakes and added some new for |
| 21:36.18 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: german) from Cobra_Fast ( cobrafast ). usually don't add 'en' suffix entries |
| 21:36.18 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: since those are done automatically but leave this one just because it's for |
| 21:36.18 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: non-english. |
| 21:37.01 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: then should that be on the list too? ;) |
| 21:38.02 | smoooth | Surely we have more important issues to solve than correcting the multilingual swear list rofl |
| 21:38.05 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r21229 10/trunk/bzflag/AUTHORS: thank cobrafast for his patch to the sample swear filter. |
| 21:38.17 | blast007 | smoooth: pfft, like what?? |
| 21:38.19 | JeffM2501 | smoooth, people work on what they want to work on |
| 21:38.22 | blast007 | ;) |
| 21:38.23 | smoooth | heh |
| 21:38.26 | smoooth | i was kidding |
| 21:38.39 | smoooth | it is intriguing nonetheless |
| 21:38.56 | BulletCatcher | blast007: Possibly. The whole swear list thing is a slippery slope, and different people are offended by different things. |
| 21:39.15 | blast007 | some of them cause false positives |
| 21:39.38 | blast007 | like on Lasermania - "page fault" turns into "$^#& fault", but "page" is fine alone |
| 21:40.17 | smoooth | seems like there are always a million and one way to get around the swear list, like @ instead of a.. etc.etc. seems like a wasted effort |
| 21:40.22 | JeffM2501 | thinks the default list should be more lienent then strict |
| 21:40.27 | JeffM2501 | let admins do the rest |
| 21:40.56 | blast007 | for mine, I took the simple list and removed all non-English and some of the English that was tripping it up |
| 21:41.06 | blast007 | the files are just samples anyway |
| 21:41.22 | blast007 | and are not included with binary packages (at least on operating systems that should actually be hosting...) |
| 21:41.39 | Runic | HB's names make a good addition to that list |
| 21:41.42 | JeffM2501 | I just fear that some people put too much faith in them |
| 21:41.46 | BulletCatcher | Another example: "retard" is fine as a transitive verb, but much less so when used to describe a person's intelligence. |
| 21:42.31 | smoooth | its funny, I believe the word "pick" always gets "^#^$#" bleeped out, but but just this morning someone called me a "bitch" and that went through . . |
| 21:42.45 | BulletCatcher | Not all servers use the list. |
| 21:43.09 | JeffM2501 | a sample file needs only a few to show the format |
| 21:43.24 | JeffM2501 | a more comprehensive one can go on the wiki or fourms that is kept up to date |
| 21:43.50 | blast007 | hehe, and then our site will get blocked by some parental software ;) |
| 21:44.00 | JeffM2501 | zip it |
| 21:44.07 | BulletCatcher | Yeah. I'd rather not have the list quite so accessible. |
| 21:44.38 | blast007 | I don't think they're overly useful anyway |
| 21:45.07 | JeffM2501 | people seem to take things that are included in the project as "super official" |
| 21:45.15 | blast007 | if someone is swearing in a language that I don't understand, I have no way to know if it works or not - so kinda pointless |
| 21:45.36 | BulletCatcher | It is the "super official" sample list of bad words. ;-) |
| 21:46.16 | Runic | hehe - that's why I searched for a better list |
| 21:46.26 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r21230 10/trunk/bzflag/README.MacOSX: |
| 21:46.26 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: add a note about SDL 1.2 presently being a prerequisite to compile on 10.6 for |
| 21:46.26 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: those compiling from source. this is in leu of accepting sf patch 3015582 |
| 21:46.26 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: (Compiling 2.99.x on Snow Leopard Instructions) from mrapple which made the |
| 21:46.27 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: issue seem to be a bigger issue than it is by documenting the isoteric and |
| 21:46.27 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: temporary state of affairs on 10.6 with 2.99 |
| 21:48.43 | temporalD | that's certainly a backhanded complement |
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| 21:49.30 | JeffM2501 | wasn't a compliment at all ;) |
| 21:49.46 | temporalD | committing it kinda was - lol |
| 21:49.55 | JeffM2501 | he didn't commit it |
| 21:49.57 | brlcad | BulletCatcher: ah, sorry -- didn't see you were reviewing the patch too |
| 21:50.01 | JeffM2501 | read |
| 21:50.08 | BulletCatcher | That's okay. |
| 21:50.20 | JeffM2501 | documenting a busted build system is not a fix for it ;) |
| 21:50.53 | brlcad | and only minorly busted at that -- probably could have passed the build by adding one comment block |
| 21:51.04 | brlcad | just a SDL sig change |
| 21:52.40 | BulletCatcher | The difficulty seems to be in getting a suitably equipped developer to look at the problem. |
| 21:53.08 | JeffM2501 | the brlcad is that developer ;) |
| 21:53.16 | brlcad | Runic: the sample list is indeed just a sample, and a compilation of about two dozen other lists that were readily available around the web about five years ago |
| 21:54.03 | brlcad | then the list was simplified for redundancies and simple words as the aggressive filter matches a LOT of stuff for free |
| 21:54.16 | brlcad | the header of the file explains everything in detail |
| 21:54.24 | Runic | I will be getting 10.6 soon and will try to find some time to look at it then |
| 21:55.23 | Cobra_Fast | http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/data/skins/ - what's this? |
| 21:55.41 | blast007 | textures for each team |
| 21:56.01 | Cobra_Fast | ok |
| 21:56.02 | blast007 | the data dir was reorganized |
| 21:56.07 | Cobra_Fast | i see. |
| 21:56.09 | JeffM2501 | trunk has a different layout then branch |
| 21:56.38 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r21231 10/trunk/bzflag/misc/samples/multilingualSwearList.txt: |
| 21:56.38 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: calling someone a spaz is not obscene. contributors should (re-)read the file |
| 21:56.38 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: header that only unarguably obscene words are supposed to be in this example |
| 21:56.38 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: file. and I should actually read all of the patch before applying it. |
| 21:56.58 | Cobra_Fast | super_bolts got a nasty "margin" that appears as a quarter circle - am i the only one seeing this? |
| 21:57.27 | Cobra_Fast | at the bottom left |
| 21:58.29 | brlcad | Cobra_Fast: make sure you read the multilingualSwearList.txt header before making another patch, that last patch wasn't really necessary given two of the three words were unnecessary |
| 22:03.58 | BulletCatcher | Some of the lines in the swear lists have tabs and others use spaces. Would you prefer tabs, brlcad? |
| 22:05.47 | Runic | I would say no extra white space is better |
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| 22:07.16 | blendmaster1024 | is this the player chat channel? |
| 22:07.27 | brad | #bzflag-chat |
| 22:07.33 | blendmaster1024 | thought not |
| 22:07.36 | brad | although no talking for like a week in there :p |
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| 22:08.10 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r21232 10/trunk/bzflag/misc/samples/multilingualSwearList.txt: remove several non-obscene words. there really shouldn't be any phrases in here, especially when the phrase itself includes a curse that will be filtered. |
| 22:08.50 | brlcad | BulletCatcher: if I recall, the original file was all tab-less -- the majority is still all spaces too |
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| 22:23.31 | JeffM | too windy for helicopters, time to build a stepper controller that works :) |
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| 22:26.47 | Cobra_Fast | JeffM: still flying coaxes? |
| 22:27.53 | JeffM | no |
| 22:27.59 | JeffM | CP |
| 22:28.35 | Cobra_Fast | nice |
| 22:29.18 | Cobra_Fast | im still stuck on my fixed pitch and im not really practising |
| 22:30.46 | JeffM | FP is the hardest thing to fly |
| 22:30.55 | JeffM | do not start with them as a beginer |
| 22:31.06 | JeffM | spend 200$ and get a blade SR |
| 22:32.27 | Cobra_Fast | cu. |
| 22:32.31 | JeffM | or at least a honney bee 2 |
| 22:32.34 | JeffM | like brlcad has |
| 22:33.09 | Cobra_Fast | ill look after it tomorrow. but its bed time for me now :/ 0:33 a.m. |
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| 23:21.21 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r21233 10/trunk/bzflag/misc/samples/ (multilingualSwearList.txt simpleSwearList.txt): |
| 23:21.21 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: Convert tabs to spaces. |
| 23:21.21 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: Other whitespace cleanup. |
| 23:21.26 | BulletCatcher | (Emacs untabify command FTW.) |
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| 23:30.03 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r21234 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/ (6 files in 3 dirs): |
| 23:30.03 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: Remove src/other/ares/ares_config.h.in and src/other/curl/lib/curl_config.h.in from repository because they are generated. |
| 23:30.03 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: Do not rebuild upstream curl vc6libcurl.dsp file because we don't use it. |
| 23:30.09 | JeffM | whoot... functional stepper driver :) |
| 23:30.16 | JeffM | is rather happy |
| 23:31.55 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r21235 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/build/Makefile.am: Include MSVC/build/curl/curlbuild.h in distributions. |
| 23:35.00 | Constitution | mrapple: with snow leopard and SDL 1.2.14 installed as a framework in /Library/Frameworks, trunk builds just fine both on the command line and in Xcode |
| 23:35.12 | Constitution | (on my machine) |
| 23:37.07 | BulletCatcher | It would help if we had instructions in README.MacOSX for getting SDL 1.2.14 installed that way. |
| 23:38.18 | Constitution | it seems the natural way... download the framework, put it in the default location |
| 23:39.43 | Constitution | the framework you download from libSDL.org is a 3-way unibin I think... 32-bit ppc, 32-bit intel, 64-bit intel |
| 23:40.11 | JeffM | is it possible/probable that he just had his sdl installed wrong? |
| 23:40.21 | JeffM | it seemed like he was trying a bunch of random things at first |
| 23:41.28 | Constitution | possibly... there have been funky issues getting SDL to link on mac from time to time, although I don't recall having any issues recently |
| 23:43.11 | Constitution | aside from the problems I had getting autotools to see SDL on 10.3 ppc on branch (which is what is holding up the 2.0.16 mac binary), but that's another thing entirely :) |
| 23:45.23 | JeffM | why even bother with PPC? |
| 23:45.53 | Constitution | ? |
| 23:46.04 | Constitution | a lot of people are still on PPC |
| 23:46.13 | JeffM | how many is a lot? |
| 23:46.31 | JeffM | I just mean is it worth the delay? |
| 23:46.32 | Constitution | more than would tempt me to abandon the architecture :) |
| 23:46.42 | JeffM | apple did |
| 23:48.15 | JeffM | could always do a PPC bin for them later |
| 23:48.18 | Constitution | the best bzflag player in the world (imho) uses a PPC iMac, and I would be sorely vexed if I offended him |
| 23:48.24 | JeffM | instead of punsihing the intel users now |
| 23:48.33 | Constitution | I suppose |
| 23:48.45 | JeffM | you are offending him now by not releasing the version |
| 23:48.53 | JeffM | and he's obviously ok with that ;) |
| 23:49.13 | Constitution | he is a cool guy :) |
| 23:49.21 | Constitution | I see I am losing this argument though |
| 23:49.22 | JeffM | then I'm sure he'd understand |
| 23:49.42 | JeffM | at some point you just gotta let it go :) |
| 23:51.47 | Constitution | I'll look into it again |
| 23:52.03 | BulletCatcher | If we were to bundle SDL with BZFlag the way we do with Freetype, etc., that would replace one set of problems with another. Possibly for the better. |
| 23:53.03 | Constitution | iirc there was talk of doing away with the architecture-dependent implementations and using SDL entirely? |
| 23:53.53 | BulletCatcher | The architecture-specific code isn't well supported, but does work in some cases. |
| 23:54.44 | Constitution | the windows build doesn't typically use SDL, right? |
| 23:54.56 | JeffM | none that we ship do |
| 23:55.26 | JeffM | windows actualy supports slightly more things then SDL does |
| 23:55.37 | JeffM | you could do an SDL build but you'd loose some joystick features |
| 23:55.49 | JeffM | it would be best to do after joystick was pulled out a platform |
| 23:56.02 | JeffM | then use SDL for display but let sticks be done native/sdl |
| 23:56.20 | JeffM | tho it's minimal stuff, more buttons and force feedback |
| 23:56.51 | JeffM | the sdl install is pretty easy |
| 23:56.59 | JeffM | I don't think many people had a problem with it in branch |
| 23:57.04 | JeffM | mostly they just forgot to install it |
| 23:57.07 | JeffM | once they did that it was fine |
| 23:57.12 | JeffM | and it's easy to get on linux |
| 23:57.23 | Constitution | it seems we might as well do it one way or the other... use SDL entirely for all platforms, or we have to maintain the separate code for each platform anyway, so why bother? |
| 23:57.27 | JeffM | also by not using the system SDL you will run into all kinds of sound problems on linux |
| 23:57.33 | smoooth | Hey constitution there must be some confusion, I don't use a PPC iMac -- it's cool you won't offend me :) |
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| 23:57.42 | JeffM | since people install the SDL that was built with the correct sound system |
| 23:57.51 | JeffM | if we built it we'd have to pick that correctly |
| 23:57.51 | Constitution | smoooth: you flatter yourself, really ;) |
| 23:58.13 | JeffM | it would be best to use SDL for video/keyboard |
| 23:58.17 | JeffM | openAL for sound |
| 23:58.27 | JeffM | and then have a plaatform module for sticks/pads |
| 23:58.34 | JeffM | because there are so many APIs for those |
| 23:58.55 | JeffM | and load them dynamicly as plugins |
| 23:59.42 | JeffM | just my 0.1642 euros |
| 23:59.58 | JeffM | sorry 0.01642 |