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| 02:52.36 | AAA_awright | Who tagged bzworkbench with v3_0_alpha2? |
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| 02:53.14 | AAA_awright | Wait, all of the projects are tagged |
| 02:53.20 | AAA_awright | That makes no sense |
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| 02:56.39 | blast007 | AAA_awright: all of trunk was tagged |
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| 02:57.03 | blast007 | sigonasr2: fix your connection |
| 02:57.21 | AAA_awright | blast007: Ahh right |
| 02:57.27 | AAA_awright | ...that still makes no sense |
| 02:59.20 | blast007 | AAA_awright: ok |
| 02:59.27 | blast007 | why does it matter though? |
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| 03:00.30 | AAA_awright | Not a big deal, it just tags everything... when it's not everything you want to be tagging (At first glance). Just wondering. |
| 03:01.11 | blast007 | it was easier, and someone said that there are cross-project dependencies for some stuff |
| 03:04.29 | AAA_awright | I thought that's what svn:externals was for... It would help if SVN actually had tags and real branches and not this arcane directory cp thing... Call me crazy but I think CVS is better |
| 03:04.47 | a_meteorite | you crazy |
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| 03:08.22 | mrapple | bzbg admin please |
| 03:08.37 | mrapple | i dont have any playerlist permissions as a guard. stupid group perms |
| 03:11.53 | a_meteorite | mrapple: don't need a bzbg admin anymore? |
| 03:13.13 | mrapple | still do |
| 03:13.18 | mrapple | oh wait |
| 03:13.40 | a_meteorite | yeah, temporalD logged in.. don't see any trouble |
| 03:13.46 | mrapple | yah still do ;) |
| 03:13.58 | mrapple | wait nvm |
| 03:14.00 | a_meteorite | ah, the other bzbg server? |
| 03:17.04 | mrapple | yes |
| 03:17.07 | mrapple | its fine now, thanks |
| 03:40.59 | blast007 | AAA_awright: at least on the server, I don't think it duplicates the data when you 'svn cp' |
| 03:41.30 | AAA_awright | Internally it doesn't, yeah |
| 03:41.48 | AAA_awright | I think it keeps a log of copies made in that fashion too? |
| 03:42.37 | blast007 | shrugs |
| 03:43.50 | AAA_awright | All SVN is, is a slightly more efficent version of tar'ing and compressing each change you make, and saving each revision you make as a new file on your harddisk... It's not revision control, it's... I don't even know what it is |
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| 10:40.04 | Martin_ | hi guys |
| 10:40.28 | Martin_ | I was wondering if you could help me with a problem I have |
| 10:44.09 | ts | cool problem |
| 10:53.13 | Murielle | what was his problem ? |
| 10:57.00 | Cobra_Slow | exactly thats the problem |
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| 11:04.42 | Murielle | I hope he solved it |
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| 13:17.51 | blast007 | sigonasr22 / sigonasr21: fix your connection |
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| 14:30.35 | delusional | i duppose it would be, if i hadn't eaten the potato salad yesterday. |
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| 17:45.54 | JeffM2501 | dare... dare to belive you can survive. You hold the future in your hand. Dare.. Dare to keep all your dreams alive . The power is there at your command.. Dare to keep all your love alive... Dare to be all that you can be. Dare.. there is a place where dreams survive. |
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| 22:08.24 | Murielle | how to check with bzfsApi.h that a player is NR or paused? |
| 22:17.21 | delusional | guesses |
| 22:17.30 | delusional | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.16 | Murielle | You've followed a link to a page that doesn't exist yet. |
| 22:18.21 | Murielle | thank you delusional :p |
| 22:18.44 | Murielle | nothing more.... useful :D |
| 22:18.59 | delusional | if they are NR, it doesnt matter anyway, because you cant send them data. |
| 22:19.01 | delusional | right? |
| 22:19.39 | delusional | well, here's where i got it http://my.bzflag.org/w/Event%28API%29 |
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| 22:26.12 | Murielle | actually, i need to check which tank are nr |
| 22:26.27 | Murielle | how much tanks are paused |
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| 22:40.07 | [dmp] | ubuntu-moe |
| 22:40.10 | [dmp] | sorry |
| 22:40.19 | Runic | blast007: creating another state such as Climbing will lead us back to the same behavior as removing the (oldLocation != InAir) has, the latter being having smoother animation |
| 22:42.04 | Murielle | nobody knows how to check if a player is NR ? |
| 22:42.19 | Murielle | with the bzfspai? |
| 22:42.26 | Murielle | bzfsapi* |
| 22:44.59 | Runic | would sending them a chat message return an error |
| 22:45.44 | Runic | or maybe pulling a player list? |
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| 22:47.21 | blast007 | Runic: also, I wasn't saying to do that for 2.99.x/3.x.x |
| 22:48.02 | blast007 | it sounds like our player states are not being set properly |
| 22:48.16 | blast007 | if we are not in the air, why is our player state set to "InAir"? |
| 22:48.33 | blast007 | and if we *are* in the air when bumping up over a box... why? |
| 22:48.39 | Runic | it is for a moment |
| 22:48.57 | Runic | until it hits the wall again |
| 22:49.08 | blast007 | that itself sounds like a bug |
| 22:49.32 | blast007 | is the bump not completed in a single frame? |
| 22:50.07 | Runic | no it is not and the larger the bump the more frames it could be |
| 22:50.59 | Runic | especial if I make the tank travel at non light speeds |
| 22:52.05 | Runic | also I would like to know why are ramps so bad when we have escalators already |
| 22:53.04 | blast007 | okay.. but that isn't gonna happen for 3.0.0 |
| 22:53.23 | blast007 | (the non-light speed thing) |
| 22:53.37 | blast007 | how does it work *currently*? |
| 22:54.01 | blast007 | does the tank move at a specific speed when bumping up? cuz for me, it just seems like it's instant. |
| 22:55.16 | blast007 | as for ramps, ask Tim |
| 22:55.59 | Runic | it is instant, aka light speed to the top of the obstacle |
| 22:56.17 | blast007 | so it is completed in a single frame? |
| 22:56.26 | Runic | which look really bad with high max bump height |
| 22:57.01 | Murielle | and without sending a chat message ? I do not want to spam players :) |
| 22:57.17 | blast007 | Murielle: chances are, you cannot verify what you are trying to do |
| 22:57.23 | Runic | just be cause you get to the top doesn't mean you have enough foward speed to get on the object, so you tank falls down and bumps up again repeatitly |
| 22:57.26 | blast007 | I do not think the server even knows if someone is NR |
| 22:57.32 | blast007 | clients handle the [nr] message |
| 22:57.57 | Murielle | isnt the server that sends the [nr] message? |
| 22:58.11 | blast007 | they check if the player state is set to alive, and then check if the last player update was longer ago than the BZDB variable that controls the threshold |
| 22:58.14 | blast007 | no |
| 22:58.21 | AAA_awright | The client expects an update from players every so often if they are alive |
| 22:58.25 | blast007 | otherwise, how would YOUR client show NR when YOU go NR :) |
| 22:58.32 | blast007 | (for all other players) |
| 22:58.40 | AAA_awright | The server just relays the updates, it could determine NR if it needed to but it doesn't |
| 22:58.42 | Murielle | aahhhhh :D |
| 22:58.45 | blast007 | I think the default threshold is 5 seconds |
| 22:59.05 | Murielle | and.... for the pause status? |
| 22:59.18 | blast007 | there is a pause event |
| 22:59.21 | McSpider | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Bz_isPlayerPaused |
| 22:59.24 | AAA_awright | MsgPause |
| 22:59.24 | Murielle | ok |
| 22:59.37 | Murielle | .thank you al, i get all my infos |
| 22:59.40 | blast007 | there's an API event, McSpider |
| 22:59.41 | Murielle | .all* |
| 22:59.42 | blast007 | Murielle: one other thing |
| 22:59.50 | blast007 | isn't there a player update message? |
| 22:59.53 | blast007 | er, event |
| 23:00.01 | Runic | could try doing a client query on them |
| 23:00.06 | AAA_awright | MsgPlayerUpdateSmall is sent to clients |
| 23:00.10 | blast007 | if there is, you could track the alive status |
| 23:00.17 | Murielle | is it a question, blast007 ? |
| 23:00.18 | blast007 | AAA_awright: we are talking about plugins, not the protocol |
| 23:00.30 | AAA_awright | You have to hijack the protocol iirc |
| 23:00.32 | blast007 | Murielle: I think there is an API event for player updates |
| 23:00.40 | blast007 | you could watch for the last update |
| 23:00.43 | AAA_awright | Unless an API event was added for that, I think it was |
| 23:00.45 | blast007 | and track what players are alove |
| 23:00.48 | Murielle | ok, i will look at it, blast007 |
| 23:00.55 | blast007 | alive* |
| 23:01.09 | blast007 | if they are alive and have not sent a player update within the threshold, mark them as NR |
| 23:01.28 | blast007 | there's events for coming alive and dying |
| 23:01.43 | Murielle | ok |
| 23:01.57 | Murielle | alive mean they have spawn? |
| 23:02.20 | blast007 | so you'll need some struct/class for monitoring player details shoved into a std::map<int, PlayerInfo> (where PlayerInfo is your class/struct name) |
| 23:02.24 | blast007 | yeah |
| 23:03.34 | Murielle | you mean bz_ePlayerDieEvent and bz_ePlayerSpawnEvent ? |
| 23:03.41 | blast007 | yup |
| 23:03.48 | Murielle | ok... :D thank you |
| 23:04.41 | Murielle | there is also bz_ePlayerUpdateEvent |
| 23:04.55 | blast007 | yup |
| 23:05.03 | Runic | then I would recommend that you revert all my changes for max bump, as it will just confuse the mappers, also note getHitCorrection in Player.cxx is out of sync in trunk now do to that last commit |
| 23:05.04 | blast007 | so from that, you just need to track the event time |
| 23:05.32 | blast007 | and then have a tick event that checks if anyone's update happened more than 5 seconds ago |
| 23:05.44 | blast007 | (technically, you'd want to pull the BZDB value) |
| 23:05.56 | Murielle | yes, easier blast007. i will do like that |
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