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| 01:16.20 | trepan | Runic: fwiw, getHitCorrection() is currently used |
| 01:16.50 | trepan | heh, is currently _not_ used |
| 01:28.54 | Runic | I believe it is by solo bots |
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| 02:13.03 | trepan | Runic: it's #ifdef'ed out on line 1386, so not even by bots |
| 02:13.49 | trepan | *line 1363 |
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| 17:59.57 | smoooth | i'm having a login problem on bzflag.org, who should i contact to help me with my issue? |
| 18:00.20 | JeffM2501 | you can't log into the forum? |
| 18:01.27 | brad | ~bzflist |
| 18:01.38 | brad | ^ |
| 18:01.45 | JeffM2501 | then just wait for it to come back |
| 18:01.54 | JeffM2501 | it's just slow |
| 18:02.14 | JeffM2501 | normal think that happens from time to time on that machine, ya all should be used to it by now ;) |
| 18:02.27 | smoooth | no i tried to change my email |
| 18:02.35 | smoooth | and didnt realize i would have to reregister |
| 18:02.39 | smoooth | now its just fubar |
| 18:03.02 | smoooth | like duplicate names found, duplicate email address.. but ive only ever registered one acct |
| 18:03.38 | JeffM2501 | did it change the email on your account? |
| 18:03.50 | smoooth | apparently but its not a real email address |
| 18:04.01 | smoooth | the old one used to be real but it expired |
| 18:04.13 | smoooth | i didnt think it matter the email address, except to fill a needed void |
| 18:04.16 | JeffM2501 | expired? |
| 18:04.24 | smoooth | yeah, was a gmail acct |
| 18:04.26 | smoooth | didnt use it |
| 18:04.32 | JeffM2501 | they expire? |
| 18:04.44 | smoooth | or maybe was yahoo |
| 18:04.49 | smoooth | some of them do |
| 18:05.02 | JeffM2501 | well blast007, joevano, or brlcad can help you out |
| 18:05.05 | smoooth | if you dont login for like 5 years |
| 18:05.38 | JeffM2501 | any of the board admins |
| 18:05.44 | smoooth | i cant see who to contact on the website because it says i have to be logged in to see the admin list |
| 18:06.06 | smoooth | have an email address for them rofl |
| 18:06.11 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=891&p=10079#p10079 |
| 18:06.19 | JeffM2501 | the faq thread lists them |
| 18:06.27 | JeffM2501 | and it's at the start of every sub forum |
| 18:07.13 | smoooth | but how do i contact them? is this a stupid question |
| 18:07.19 | smoooth | i see there usernames |
| 18:07.32 | JeffM2501 | if none of them have a public email then wait till you see them here |
| 18:07.43 | JeffM2501 | or register a new account and use that to send em a message |
| 18:07.46 | smoooth | hehe, thats why i'm here |
| 18:08.06 | smoooth | i tried to registered a new account with my real address but it says that it is taken |
| 18:08.11 | smoooth | which i cant figure out how |
| 18:08.18 | smoooth | ive only ever created one account |
| 18:08.33 | JeffM2501 | well... then say you forgot the password for that account and it'll email it to your real address |
| 18:08.43 | JeffM2501 | then you can log in with it |
| 18:08.49 | JeffM2501 | some account is tied to that address |
| 18:08.54 | JeffM2501 | and if so you can get it's info |
| 18:08.55 | smoooth | but i cant have it send me my password without the username |
| 18:09.12 | smoooth | i would gladly type in the email address and have it send it to me |
| 18:09.27 | smoooth | but it asks for a username, and i have no idea what it is |
| 18:09.52 | smoooth | its the most bizzare situation, and thats why i am here :) |
| 18:09.58 | JeffM2501 | then you wait |
| 18:10.03 | smoooth | k, np |
| 18:10.53 | smoooth | i cant understand why it requires a person to have their username to send their password |
| 18:11.09 | JeffM2501 | because the act of doing that locks the account untill it's reset |
| 18:11.17 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't actualy SEND the password, they are not stored |
| 18:11.21 | JeffM2501 | it resets the password |
| 18:11.35 | smoooth | well it should reset the password and send the username |
| 18:11.52 | JeffM2501 | that is not a feature of the fourm software that is in use |
| 18:11.52 | smoooth | with a valid registered email address |
| 18:12.00 | smoooth | understand |
| 18:12.05 | JeffM2501 | other systems do that, this one does not |
| 18:12.21 | JeffM2501 | are you on gmail now? |
| 18:12.34 | smoooth | well i debated making a new gmail acct |
| 18:12.50 | smoooth | but i figured the making of new email address and accts only increases the problem |
| 18:12.59 | smoooth | i want to use my real personal email address |
| 18:13.05 | JeffM2501 | that is not an answer to my question |
| 18:13.12 | smoooth | sorry |
| 18:13.13 | JeffM2501 | so you are NOT on gail now? |
| 18:13.13 | smoooth | no |
| 18:13.25 | smoooth | no, stopped using gmail |
| 18:13.31 | smoooth | for bzflag purpose |
| 18:13.48 | JeffM2501 | too bad, you can make as many sub addresses by using +SOMETHING in the addy |
| 18:13.53 | JeffM2501 | and they all go to your gmail |
| 18:13.58 | JeffM2501 | then you could register that easy |
| 18:14.23 | smoooth | yeah i suppose thats an option |
| 18:15.32 | smoooth | yeah this is nothing by my own fault -- but at the same time, and no offense to anyones hardwork, the bzflag.org is very unfriendly and difficult to navigate |
| 18:15.47 | JeffM2501 | it's a normal phpbb |
| 18:15.50 | JeffM2501 | with few mods |
| 18:15.53 | JeffM2501 | not that hard ;) |
| 18:17.18 | smoooth | its just not thought through, for example the contact info... it is no good without an account |
| 18:17.39 | smoooth | i tried to click on "the team" but i cant see it unless im registerd |
| 18:17.47 | smoooth | things like that |
| 18:17.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah the memember list is hidden to guests |
| 18:18.01 | JeffM2501 | it was an all or none thing |
| 18:18.11 | JeffM2501 | and to prevent spam we hid it all to gests |
| 18:18.24 | smoooth | understand |
| 18:18.49 | smoooth | i guess i just cant imagine a situation where i should be here on IRC waiting for an admin to help me with my username :P |
| 18:19.19 | JeffM2501 | you can send them a memo |
| 18:19.20 | smoooth | site should cover all situations |
| 18:19.32 | JeffM2501 | hehe, yo make it seem like bzflag is organized |
| 18:19.37 | JeffM2501 | you can send tim an email |
| 18:19.39 | smoooth | gege' |
| 18:19.40 | JeffM2501 | you know his address |
| 18:19.40 | smoooth | aheh |
| 18:19.47 | JeffM2501 | you see it every time you start the game |
| 18:19.51 | smoooth | lol |
| 18:20.05 | smoooth | yeah i know how unorganized bz is |
| 18:20.07 | smoooth | :) |
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| 18:20.32 | JeffM2501 | also every developer has a sf email address |
| 18:20.43 | JeffM2501 | there username @users.sourceforge.net |
| 18:21.36 | smoooth | I'm talking to you -- but apparently we need joevano or blast :) |
| 18:21.59 | JeffM2501 | I am no longer an admin so I can't fix it |
| 18:22.37 | smoooth | and thats a good thing, you should be doing more developing and less "admin" crap |
| 18:22.48 | JeffM2501 | I am not developing for bzflag ether |
| 18:23.00 | smoooth | oh i thought u were still on the team just not the lead |
| 18:23.01 | JeffM2501 | blast's account is listed in the project admin page on SF |
| 18:23.16 | JeffM2501 | I have commit access sure, but I ain't using it ;) |
| 18:23.21 | smoooth | hehe |
| 18:23.46 | smoooth | i cant sense your frustration and sympathize |
| 18:23.48 | smoooth | can* |
| 18:23.50 | JeffM2501 | his sf username is the same as his IRC name, so you can send him an email |
| 18:24.03 | JeffM2501 | it's not frustrating, it's just silly to work on it |
| 18:24.34 | smoooth | i can see the clear challenges, but how do you mean its silly |
| 18:24.53 | smoooth | is it unduly futile? |
| 18:25.03 | JeffM2501 | not unduely |
| 18:25.08 | JeffM2501 | it's had it's time |
| 18:25.16 | JeffM2501 | but not all things should last forever |
| 18:25.36 | smoooth | it has no future is what you are saying |
| 18:25.47 | JeffM2501 | bits of it do |
| 18:25.54 | JeffM2501 | but I don't think it should stay the way it is now |
| 18:25.59 | smoooth | can it be re-written and start all over |
| 18:26.01 | JeffM2501 | not if it wants to keep up |
| 18:26.09 | JeffM2501 | sure, anything can be done :) |
| 18:26.17 | JeffM2501 | just takes time and effort |
| 18:26.45 | smoooth | yeah its very complex, i can imagine |
| 18:26.49 | smoooth | i mean |
| 18:26.52 | JeffM2501 | no, not really |
| 18:27.08 | JeffM2501 | technicaly and socialy bzflag is very simple |
| 18:27.22 | smoooth | trying to identify who "bzflag" is, which players.. so that you can create a vision for where bzflag needs to go |
| 18:27.52 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is different things to different people and it needs to go in 3 directions |
| 18:28.01 | smoooth | exactly |
| 18:28.13 | JeffM2501 | a project can be made that would work for all 3 directions |
| 18:28.46 | smoooth | a new project? or an upgraded bzflag |
| 18:29.05 | JeffM2501 | personaly I don't think there is anything to keep from bzflag, code or project |
| 18:29.14 | JeffM2501 | just a few ideas |
| 18:29.59 | smoooth | I see bzflag -- 1) Casual FFA SuperFlag Players 2) Serious League Players (non-super flag) |
| 18:30.13 | smoooth | and they both have opposing directions or needs |
| 18:30.19 | JeffM2501 | chess players, action players, and as a code/AI dev platform |
| 18:30.22 | JeffM2501 | no not always |
| 18:30.29 | JeffM2501 | both play types can have leauges |
| 18:30.37 | smoooth | agreed |
| 18:30.37 | JeffM2501 | just right now all the leagues are chess players |
| 18:31.24 | smoooth | Yeah its a tough nut to crack -- and the resources are low |
| 18:31.24 | JeffM2501 | and playing bzflag in a leauge is silly IMHO it was never made to work over the internet so you end up fighting over who has the best lag/mouse/etc.. |
| 18:31.40 | JeffM2501 | there is no way to "equalise" everyone |
| 18:31.43 | smoooth | agreed |
| 18:32.30 | smoooth | it seems to me almost what needs to happen is everything should be server side and all that is sent from the user is signals to move forward/back jump and shot |
| 18:32.49 | JeffM2501 | that is now most real internet games work |
| 18:32.53 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is a LAN game |
| 18:32.54 | smoooth | yeah |
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| 18:33.34 | smoooth | that acutally encourages players to better their connection, because they are the ones who get punished for having bad connections |
| 18:33.57 | JeffM2501 | not nessisarly |
| 18:34.05 | JeffM2501 | depends on how it's all implemented |
| 18:34.28 | JeffM2501 | with most FPS all you have to do is get under some lag limit and you are pretty much ok. |
| 18:34.42 | JeffM2501 | and bzflag is at it's core just another FPS |
| 18:35.25 | smoooth | agreed |
| 18:36.31 | smoooth | yeah there are a lot of issues, and a lot of work.. sounds like you have a pretty good vision for a way forward |
| 18:37.13 | JeffM2501 | I have writen down my ideas, but that's about it |
| 18:38.13 | smoooth | have you sent them out for comments in the dev community |
| 18:39.16 | JeffM2501 | not in this one, no |
| 18:39.30 | JeffM2501 | I don't think there is any point in trying to make the existing project change |
| 18:39.41 | JeffM2501 | that would only carry over part of the problem |
| 18:39.51 | smoooth | whats problem? |
| 18:40.21 | JeffM2501 | when's the last time you saw tim? |
| 18:40.35 | blast007 | ~seen TimRiker |
| 18:40.39 | ibot | timriker <~timr@bzflag/projectlead/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 19d 21h 22m 43s ago, saying: 'no big deal.'. |
| 18:40.39 | smoooth | heh, never |
| 18:41.17 | smoooth | sounds like a leadership issue? |
| 18:41.45 | JeffM2501 | the project is set up in such a way that it has no real leadership |
| 18:41.52 | JeffM2501 | not like a traditional game project would |
| 18:45.45 | JeffM2501 | I think that for a game you need a strong set of design goals in the project. |
| 18:46.36 | smoooth | agreed, im just an outsider looking in, but it seems you need a whitepaper with some goals and visions |
| 18:46.45 | smoooth | and buy off from the developers and then support from the players |
| 18:49.05 | smoooth | well i appreciate bzflag and would like to see it survive and move forward, if there is anything I can do, I'd be glad to help.. but I have limited knowledge to the issues and not sure what role I could play |
| 18:50.44 | smoooth | Hopefully everyone will keep trudging forward and we'll get there |
| 19:05.00 | JeffM2501 | sadly it will not work that way |
| 19:05.20 | JeffM2501 | the only way it'll happen is if somone just makes something else, then everyone will jump on it |
| 19:08.11 | JeffM2501 | the bzflag project has few roles, that's it's main problem IMHO |
| 19:09.11 | JeffM2501 | for it to coninue in this internet age, lots of stuff will have to change in it. |
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