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17:17.20mrappleI know this probably isnt but is it possible to change a players team via plugin in game?
17:17.36Yassenmrapple: only when they join
17:17.48mrappleok
17:20.06trepaniirc, Murielle said she'd written a plugin to do it dynamically; by resending MsgAddPlayer
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17:21.15mrappleok thanks trepan. but that doesnt like change the scoreboard color and such, right?
17:21.52trepani haven't tried it
17:22.01Murielleyes i  did it :)
17:22.07trepanit does call enteringServer(), which sets up a bunch of items
17:22.17mrappleMurielle: does it change the scoreboard color?
17:22.17Murielleit changedthe scoreboard color :)
17:22.53mrapplewow can i see the source please?
17:22.55Muriellei wanted to use it for an "advanced fair ctf" plugin
17:23.05mrapplecool idea
17:23.18Muriellehum.... dunno..we should do a poll maybe :)
17:23.33Murielle<PROTECTED>
17:23.50mrapple<PROTECTED>
17:23.54mrapple;)
17:24.04Murielleok.. i will send it
17:24.09mrapplethanks
17:24.09Muriellehum... laterok ?
17:24.12mrapple....
17:24.13Muriellelater*
17:24.17mrapplewhy not pastebin it?
17:24.25Muriellecausei havetolookfor it :p
17:24.30mrapplethen look ;P
17:24.34Muriellecausei have to look for it :p
17:24.38Muriellei  amplaying :D
17:24.44mrapple....
17:24.49temporalDspacebar malfunction  - hehe
17:24.50Murielle((damned   keyboard!!!))
17:24.51trepanmrapple: you can adjust _tankSpeed on a per-player basis, see my veldrv post
17:25.25trepan(wrt: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16404&p=149765#p149765)
17:25.26Muriellemrapple: let me play a bit..i have fun since i am killing a lot of tank at the moment :p
17:25.35mrapplereally trepan?
17:26.03trepansearch the forum for 'veldrv'
17:26.38mrapplei looked, how does that adjust it?
17:26.44trepanlook harder
17:26.48mrapplethey have to be on a surface, what if two tanks are on the same surface o.O
17:27.25trepanveldrv is but an example of the principle
17:27.35mrappleok ill take a peak at the source
17:28.00trepan... and what if two tanks are on the same surface: so what?
17:28.32mrapplewill there speeds be different?
17:29.16trepannot if you are using the unmodified veldrv plugin
17:29.30trepan(and assuming that their input controls are the same)
17:29.49mrapplehm well i like the highspeed flag idea
17:29.54mrapplebut i think i get how that might work
17:30.12trepanalso note that I've written a teledrv plugin that let's you have horizontal (actually any valid physics face), teleporters
17:30.23trepanfor 2.0.x
17:30.40mrapplewow cool
17:30.55mrappleaw to bad bz_changeTeam doesnt work for 2.0.x :(
17:31.40trepanso get folks to use 2.99.x  ;)
17:33.11Muriellemrapple: for my switch plugin:  http://pastebin.com/TFULLngN
17:33.45Murielleit implements command /switch that switch a green player in red and vice versa
17:34.04temporalDand only those teams so far, right?
17:34.11temporalDit's demonstration code, so far
17:34.18Muriellein this example,yes
17:34.25Murielleyes it was a demo
17:34.51mrapplevery cool Murielle
17:35.17Murielledamned!!!   i have forgotten the licence and the copyrights to "Murielle International Company"
17:35.20Murielle:P
17:35.23mrappleto bad :P
17:35.52MurielleI wont be bimillionarwith this plugin, then :(
17:35.58mrappleMurielle: do you have a Switch.h to share? :)
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17:37.01Muriellehum needa switch .h ?
17:37.14mrappleyeup :P
17:37.35mrapplewierd its not included but i get a ton of not defined
17:39.07mrappleand GameKeeper.h: No such file or directory
17:43.08mrapplewow that plugin is incredible
17:43.11mrappleamazing job
17:43.15Muriellethank you
17:43.23Murielleyou do not need switch.h
17:43.30mrappleyeah i realized
17:43.30Murielleneither GameKeeper.h
17:43.37mrapplei just needed ../src/bzfs in the include path
17:43.43Murielleoh..have you compiled it?
17:43.51mrappleits running at bzextreme 3000
17:43.59Muriellecoming :)
17:44.01mrappleheh
17:44.11mrappleim going to mod it so you can do /team blue
17:44.12mrappleor something like tat
17:44.13mrapplethat
17:49.21Murielledo not forgot my royalties :p
17:49.29mrapplewhat royalties? :P
17:49.33Muriellei am pleased you like it
17:49.39mrappleyeah its sweet
17:50.05MurielleI think I am going to do a plugin for a new style of game:  2 color teams and player are switched randomly :p
17:50.11mrapplelol
17:50.25Muriellecould be funny ?
17:50.50mrapplemeh
17:50.59mrappleim going to use it for the zombie plugin im working on
17:51.15Muriellewhat is it?
17:51.33Murielleyou can switch player from obs to team too
17:51.41Murielleand u can send a player to obs too
17:52.28Muriellewe could imagine a /softkill command for admins...  you do not kill player but send them in obs :p
17:58.35mrapplelol
17:58.38mrappletimeout :P
17:58.49mrapplethis would be great for last tank standing
17:58.54mrapplejust shift people over to observer
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22:06.41JefferyMblast007, you should hold a telethon for bzflag so it can get that surgery it needs so it it won't die ;)
22:07.09JefferyMthen force everyone to upgrade
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22:42.07Muriellebut the difference is that telethon is for serious stuff, JefferyM
22:42.22JefferyMheh, not all of them are
22:47.07JefferyMI just find all the "don't let it die" posts funny
22:47.18JefferyMsince so few of them address the actual problems
22:55.56mrapplethat the bzflag code is built on a pile of crap?
22:58.00JefferyMthe state of the codebase is only one of the problems
22:58.29JefferyMbut yes the current archetecture dosn't lead itself to internet play
23:00.30delusionalI'll donate 20 buxks
23:00.56JefferyMbump that up by a few orders of magnitude and then you may get something done :)
23:01.13delusionalmoves decimals around
23:01.24delusional2 cents?
23:01.40JefferyMfor a game as simple as BZ it could be fixed up for between 200 and 500k
23:01.57JefferyMbassicly pay a team for a year
23:05.06JefferyMor find some way to get a team to work as a team for year
23:05.40delusionalI'll noogie them if they dont
23:05.55JefferyMyou'll send a lot of money in plane tickets ;)
23:06.04JefferyMspend even
23:08.48Muriellei dont see problem with bz
23:08.54Murielleit is fine:)
23:09.04Murielleanditgivesmefun
23:09.05JefferyMsome people don't
23:09.16Murielle(( damned keyboard)
23:09.19JefferyMheh
23:09.22JefferyMtime for a new one then
23:09.40Murielleit si the laptop keyboard :(
23:09.50JefferyMyeah.. and?
23:09.57JefferyMthey can be replaced when broken
23:10.08Muriellewell....:(
23:10.51JefferyMbut yeah, long time players are ok with BZ because they are used to it.
23:11.01JefferyMbut newer players find it harder to get into it when they just start
23:11.10JefferyMthats why there is a higher rate of turnover
23:30.29Constitutionnot sure we could even get everyone to agree on what needs to be fixed
23:30.57JefferyMthats what makes it harder to do unpaid
23:31.22JefferyMwhen people are paid they tend to accept the direction of that what is paying them a little better :)
23:32.03JefferyMunpaid work needs clear documentation of design goals and diections and stuch
23:32.10JefferyMlike mozilla and ubuntu have
23:34.44Constitutionwell, as far as paid development, we do/have had GSoC :)

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