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| 00:56.06 | kierra | blast007: how does a masterban work |
| 00:56.12 | kierra | i thought by ip |
| 00:56.52 | kierra | or is it strictly by nick |
| 00:57.23 | blast007 | IP |
| 00:57.30 | blast007 | and it's pretty much pointless and flawed |
| 01:27.26 | JefferyM | it works the same way a normal ban works |
| 01:27.31 | JefferyM | IP or host |
| 01:27.38 | JefferyM | it's just another ban list that is merged in |
| 01:27.45 | JefferyM | but yeah it was a dumb idea I did in anger |
| 01:27.50 | JefferyM | and should be pulled |
| 01:28.52 | JefferyM | developers should not decide what players can and can not play on servers they don't run |
| 01:29.04 | kierra | well, it's not working in murielle's case. she created Cherry and was on dub 5157 just a few min ago |
| 01:29.11 | JefferyM | ok |
| 01:29.23 | JefferyM | she was not masterbaned |
| 01:29.26 | JefferyM | as far as I know |
| 01:29.31 | JefferyM | so that makes sense |
| 01:29.41 | JefferyM | she was simply prevented form using some public services. |
| 01:30.03 | JefferyM | there would have been a CIA commit message for a masterban update |
| 01:30.30 | JefferyM | if you guys decide to ban her, then you should be able to take care of it with a normal rangeban |
| 01:31.17 | kierra | i must say there were no pressing issues when she was banned for 3 months |
| 01:31.54 | JefferyM | she does love her some drama |
| 01:32.34 | delusional | she was aneed for three months? when was this? On the GU league? |
| 01:32.42 | delusional | sp banned |
| 01:32.49 | kierra | ducati league |
| 01:32.55 | delusional | ok |
| 01:33.48 | kierra | question is will she learn anything with this ban.....if let back in |
| 01:34.05 | delusional | i have my doubts |
| 01:34.23 | JefferyM | I don't belive the project is going to give her access to the public services again, what you guys do is up to you. |
| 01:34.26 | kierra | do you know her well, delusional |
| 01:34.38 | Constitution | thinks not, if the message on the front page of the xleague web site says anything |
| 01:34.45 | delusional | i have come to, recently... since the ducati ban |
| 01:36.52 | kierra | ok |
| 01:36.55 | kierra | sigh |
| 01:38.22 | JefferyM | kids will be kids |
| 01:41.52 | kierra | mine i can discipline...other ppl's - different story |
| 01:42.40 | JefferyM | she'll get over it |
| 01:42.47 | JefferyM | and we can get on with our lives |
| 01:42.59 | JefferyM | goes an makes an in game authenticaton system |
| 01:43.14 | kierra | ty JefferyM |
| 01:49.17 | blast007 | JefferyM: actually not sure it works for anything other than IP bans |
| 01:49.30 | blast007 | at least, it might not display right |
| 01:49.33 | JefferyM | I remember doing the hostban code |
| 01:49.38 | JefferyM | it may not |
| 01:49.45 | blast007 | think it was special cased for /banlist at least |
| 01:49.48 | JefferyM | the idea was to just merge in the lists |
| 01:49.52 | JefferyM | possibly |
| 01:50.07 | JefferyM | still a dumb Idea |
| 01:50.19 | JefferyM | I'd recomend removing it as default from trunk |
| 01:50.35 | JefferyM | leave it so they can still specify a URL to get some ban list from so groups can share bans |
| 01:50.39 | JefferyM | but not make it default |
| 01:51.37 | blast007 | another problem with it is that it doesn't auto update |
| 01:51.42 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 01:51.52 | JefferyM | tho it's suposed to every 30 min |
| 01:52.18 | JefferyM | best would be a netban plugin that checked a web API on each join |
| 01:52.42 | JefferyM | then have it check multiple services |
| 01:53.12 | JefferyM | then someone could provide one that did tor lookups, and groups could have there own |
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| 01:54.48 | blast007 | could probably even do a generic DNSBL plugin |
| 01:55.06 | blast007 | not sure if ares is exposed to the API or not |
| 01:55.16 | JefferyM | don't think it is |
| 01:55.29 | JefferyM | even curl is wraped up in the webjob API |
| 01:55.45 | Constitution | or, we could fix the bugs in this game and get it released |
| 01:56.11 | JefferyM | pfffff |
| 01:57.40 | blast007 | Constitution: why woud we do that? |
| 01:58.18 | Constitution | I know, I know... so much more fun to make cool admin toys for banhammering |
| 01:58.43 | JefferyM | I just wanted you to remove the default ban list |
| 01:58.45 | JefferyM | that's easy |
| 01:58.52 | JefferyM | removes some bugs, easier to ship |
| 01:59.03 | JefferyM | additional plugins can be made after release |
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| 02:36.56 | mistake | the irc channel? |
| 02:37.14 | kierra | hi mistake |
| 02:37.43 | mistake | oh hi |
| 02:38.34 | mistake | kierra, are you on messenger? |
| 02:38.39 | kierra | yes |
| 02:38.44 | kierra | i'll sign in |
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| 21:33.15 | Constitution | hm, VBOs sure beat the pants off of Vertex#f calls, don't they |
| 21:33.28 | Constitution | especially with more detailed models |
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| 21:41.37 | JefferyM | that's what they are there for |
| 21:41.53 | JefferyM | it lets the card put the geometry in it's optimal format |
| 21:42.24 | JefferyM | and you don't have the hit of a function call per vert to the driver |
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| 22:59.10 | trepan | actually, lists can let drivers setup the arrays in the GPUs optimal format |
| 22:59.24 | trepan | VBOs set things up for what you think is their optimal format |
| 22:59.45 | trepan | (according to some reports on various driver behaviours) |
| 23:00.43 | trepan | either way, immediate mode rendering is a thing of the past; GL3 core profile does not support it |
| 23:05.09 | JefferyM | heh |
| 23:09.00 | Constitution | I calculated for my model of around 38,000 faces I was hitting a function call about 540,000 times per frame... VBOs reduced that to about 5, with obvious impact :-) |
| 23:09.34 | JefferyM | put it into a list, then it'll be one call |
| 23:11.33 | trepan | Constitution: ya, VBO performance is usually compared against display lists |
| 23:12.41 | Constitution | display lists are still client-side, right? I thought all client-side geometry was deprecated in GL |
| 23:12.54 | trepan | display lists are deprecated |
| 23:14.22 | JefferyM | I thought display lists were sent to the card and stayed there |
| 23:14.42 | trepan | ya, they're server-side |
| 23:14.59 | trepan | array datas are copied when the list is created |
| 23:15.05 | JefferyM | ahh |
| 23:31.19 | Constitution | it seems frivolous to me to create a VBO to render something like a single quad for something like UI elements, but I guess it is what it is |
| 23:31.59 | JefferyM | the same could be said about calling a bunch of vert funcations |
| 23:32.43 | Constitution | I suppose |
| 23:33.47 | JefferyM | I usualy have to make the least calls possible cus I'm doing it all managed, and the marshaling to unmanaged can eat some time up. |
| 23:36.48 | trepan | Constitution: for GL3, just setup a reusable "quad" VBO, and use a shader that can translate it to where you want (using attribs or uniforms) |
| 23:37.16 | Constitution | ah good idea |
| 23:38.28 | trepan | if you aren't already using them ... "vertex arrays" are quite handy for manipulating attribute data states |
| 23:39.30 | trepan | (ie: glGenVertexArrays() and friends, not to be confused with glVertexPointer() and the like) |
| 23:41.50 | Constitution | those are similar to VBOs but client-side, right? I know little about them |
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