IRC log for #bzflag on 20110307

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00:13.55blast007Mudsquisher1: you don't need to keep saying that
00:14.11blast007if you're just gonna keep saying that, then just use that name
00:14.53blast007also, you can see that he's not here by looking at the nick list :P
00:14.59blast007best to just PM him on the forum
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02:48.27Mudsquisher1Does anyone have a quick example for elevators? Or can you tell me how to do it..?
02:54.13delusionaluse positive Z physics that land you on a mesh with a drivethrough floor
02:55.20delusionalor "River by JPA" has the best ever escalators.
02:55.27delusionalwait i didnt say that right
02:56.37delusionalthe mesh that tanks land on.... the bottom face of it is drivethrough... the top face is regular
02:56.57Mudsquisher1okay, i get it. Thanks for the help
02:58.10delusionalthat's gonna be hard to do using bzedit......    or maybe bzedit has that feature, idunno, never used it.
02:58.26Mudsquisher1no, it dosent... i can hand edit it in
02:58.42delusionalgonna make the mesh by hand?
02:58.48Mudsquisher1not hard
02:59.03Mudsquisher1just need to make 1 mesh... duplicate it and move it around
02:59.31Mudsquisher1i g2g. cya
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03:04.12delusionalis the pollset permission allowed by default?
03:06.04delusionali cant see why this allows registered players to set variiables with poll  http://pastebin.com/4MqZShmR
03:25.07BulletCatcherThe built-in VERIFIED group includes POLLSET by default.
03:25.51BulletCatcherSee the initGroups() function in bzfs.cxx.
03:26.00delusionalBulletCatcher: how do you take it away?
03:26.08BulletCatcher-POLLSET
03:26.26BulletCatcherVERIFIED: -POLLSET
03:27.03delusionaloh yeah
03:27.19delusionalthe minus
03:27.24delusionaltanx
03:27.27BulletCatchernp
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07:16.06*** topic/#bzflag is http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || Channel Logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || http://ohloh.net/p/bzflag || 2.0.16 is the current release, use it wisely
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09:00.08Constitution~bzflist
09:00.22Constitution3 servers with players... can we call it dead now?
09:05.43ruskieare there actual players or just bots?
09:20.35bradlol
09:56.34Pimpinellawe need to port it on wii
10:24.44ruskieor ps3
10:26.22ruskieactually should be ported to all the consoles
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11:04.42blast007ruskie: let us know when you buy the development kits and code it up
11:04.46blast007;)
11:05.39blast007also, Sony sucks
11:06.02blast007Constitution: no, we'll call it morning ;)
11:06.42blast007early morning*
11:08.32ruskieblast007, afaik doesn't xbox have some indie game dev thingy?
11:08.43blast007XNA, yeah
11:08.51ruskieas for ps3... not sure but iirc a dev kit comes @~1000USD last I checked
11:09.04ruskiewhich sucks frankly
11:10.18blast007in 2007, Sony reduced the cost of the SDK to $10,250
11:10.38ruskieI believe there are two...
11:10.56ruskiehttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/24/sony-introduces-a-new-ps3-dev-kit-for-bargain-shoppin-developers/
11:11.00ruskie2000usd to be precise
11:11.17blast007yeah, just saw that one too
11:12.01ruskiestill nowhere near as cheap
11:12.29ruskiewrt to sony sucks: I don't agree with their damage control methods for basically a massive mistake they did on their own...
11:12.50blast007"Let's sue everyone that knows anything about this"
11:12.51ruskiebut I still prefer sony gear to most other and certainly prefer it over an xbox
11:13.15ruskieand yes I do own a PS3... and no I don't care for pirating games
11:13.20blast007I wouldn't buy another sony product if it was the last choice
11:13.57blast007ruskie: do you like their backdoor they installed on your device?  :)
11:14.07ruskiewhat backdoor?
11:14.14blast007the one in the recent update
11:14.25ruskieerm... there was no backdoor installed in the recent update
11:14.31ruskiethis tech has been in there from the start
11:16.31ruskiemy guess wrt to sony is that in a year all of this will be a moot point... any lawsuits dismissed...
11:16.56ruskiethey need to show to their partners that they are doing something with this
11:17.06blast007may have just been a rumor, but it was on slashdot a while back
11:17.06ruskiebut in the end it was their own goofup...
11:17.24ruskieblast007, yeah I've read about it... the so called backdoor has been around since the start
11:17.28blast007k
11:17.49ruskiebasically the hardware was designed to detect changes that don't belong
11:20.34ruskie2 cruical mistakes sony made... panicked and pulled the otheros(which I never had since I own a slim)... and probably the biggest mistake... having a non random number for key generation
11:23.09ruskiesony and crypto don't seem to mix well - i.e. bluray key is known and now the ps3 as well
11:26.26ruskieblast007, do you actually own a sony product?
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12:26.29ruskiereally wishes he could play some bzflag on viper sometime... but due to crap routing can't
12:26.55Manuruskie: bad luck ;)
12:28.38ruskieI tracerouted it a few times... basically it goes like this...: Ljubljana(where I am) -> Maribor -> Graz -> Vienna -> I think there's a few other bounces around here -> Amesterdam -> then a few bounces inside Germany -> and finally server
12:29.01ruskieand somewhere along the line the jitter spikes...
12:30.42ruskielag isn't even that bad
13:43.38blast007ruskie: yeah, I own a PS2
13:44.21blast007a hacked up PS2 that I can do cool stuff with, and I have the PS2 linux kit ;)
13:44.48Cobra_Fastblast007: cool stuff like...?
13:45.20blast007like play videos/music off USB hard drives, run an FTP server, display JPEG images, back up games, etc etc
13:45.40blast007haven't got IRC to work quite yet ;)
13:46.19blast007nor quake..
13:46.26Cobra_Fastbzflag?
13:46.52blast007that would require actual *work*, and probably the PS2 linux side of things
13:47.03blast007though there may or may not be any 3D acceleration
13:47.25blast007and it's a fairly old linux...
13:47.37blast007not really a point in trying
13:47.55blast007there's probably more resources in my Nokia N800 :P
13:48.21Cobra_Fastthen run bzflag on that
13:49.13blast007doesn't have 3D acceleration either
13:49.22blast007I mean, there IS a 3D chip in there
13:50.11blast007but it's not good enough to run this high resolution display in the N800 (so they have another LCD controller chip instead)
13:50.18blast007and there's no driver for it
13:50.23Cobra_Fastmh
13:50.32blast007the N900 would be a better bet
13:50.49blast007but still probably not worth the effort
13:51.34blast007maybe we can make it run on the PS3's OtherOS! oh wait...
13:52.00Cobra_Fastor teh iPad 2
13:52.18blast007can't do that unless Tim would license the game differently
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15:10.58KTLweird, for the past so many years i've heard rumors from all directions that the global energy sources are getting exhausted and now i start bumping into articles about the thorium fuel cycle (abundant, clean, no negative comments, ... ) ... not sure what to think of it...
15:12.14Cobra_Fasttanks still run on pure electrons
15:21.32BulletCatcher... but a power source is needed to get those electrons moving.
15:21.59BulletCatcherhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium_fuel_cycle covers both advantages and disadvantages.
15:40.14KTLbut once it runs it can run without it no?
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16:06.01BulletCatcherElectrons stop moving when the power source is removed or the circuit is interrupted.
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21:55.16Packmanwhat does StateDatabase::Locked mean with server variables?
21:56.19JeffMnothing
21:57.21Packmanwhat is the difference between Locked and ReadWrite?
21:57.33JeffMlocked is only for clients
21:57.40JeffMit means that localset can't affect them
21:57.46JeffMand they arn't in configs etc..
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