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| 13:23.39 | KTL | http://images.planet-mofo.com/donf/ranking.xhtml <- modified the way it presents, to have the players more evenly distributed over the image, without touching the ranking algorithm |
| 13:43.01 | brad | pretty |
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| 13:53.40 | ts | KTL: What is it supposed to show? |
| 13:53.53 | KTL | relative strenght of players |
| 13:54.04 | KTL | the top ones are just thrown together |
| 13:54.30 | KTL | so if you are at height 0.2 then you are supposed to shoot the guy at 0.1 twice before he gets you |
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| 13:55.44 | ts | You may want add a description to every axis so it makes any sense |
| 13:56.18 | KTL | horizontally there is no axis |
| 13:56.24 | KTL | just putting labels next to each other |
| 13:56.51 | KTL | and in the height ... the rank doesnt really mean anything, only relative to the others... |
| 14:05.32 | ts | Well, at the moment the page does not visualise much information |
| 14:05.52 | ts | It doesn't say if higher or lower is better |
| 14:06.04 | KTL | did you try clicking on players? |
| 14:06.13 | KTL | or on the questionmark right down |
| 14:07.09 | ts | yes, I'm only saying it does not visualise the data very much |
| 14:07.26 | KTL | where do i have to put it all? |
| 14:09.11 | ts | I wouldn't say you have to put all on it, but a hint on the vertical axis like "strenght, higher is better" for instance, would help |
| 14:09.48 | KTL | mmm maybe some half opaque "dangerous" label on the background somewhere high? |
| 14:10.21 | KTL | something in the image itself ... |
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| 14:23.07 | ts | Hrm, too bad they don't have the graphs engineers came up beforehand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STS-51-L :S |
| 14:23.47 | ts | I've seen these and they were hardly representing the concern |
| 14:26.21 | ts | In short engineers came up with temperature as concern, represented it with a very unintuitive graph and the leaders did not understand and thus not cancel the start |
| 14:31.57 | KTL | skull and crosbones with text "do not anger these" on top? |
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| 18:03.28 | KTL | ts, http://images.planet-mofo.com/donf/ranking.xhtml, overkill i guess |
| 18:04.02 | KTL | (still working on another image for the bottom) |
| 18:19.06 | JeffM2501 | wow I feel sorry for people who don't have 1080p displays |
| 18:20.41 | ruskie | whatever for... |
| 18:20.57 | brad | good reason to upgrade :p |
| 18:21.33 | JeffM2501 | go 30 inch, still get a scrollbar at 1920 wide |
| 18:35.21 | KTL | hehe |
| 18:35.35 | KTL | added cannon-fodder label down the pic |
| 18:40.08 | KTL | dead by color-oversaturation |
| 20:50.25 | short_circuit | 52" HD ftw as a monitor |
| 20:51.52 | trepan | resolution? |
| 20:54.09 | short_circuit | h d |
| 20:57.30 | blast007 | HD doesn't mean much, since 720p is considered HD |
| 21:05.29 | trepan | s p e c i f i c i t y, the lost art |
| 21:07.32 | JeffM2501 | 52 are usualy 1080p so 1920 |
| 21:07.57 | JeffM2501 | less if he's got overscan |
| 21:17.12 | ruskie | blast007, I thought 720p is considered HD Ready while 1080p is FullHD... |
| 21:17.28 | JeffM2501 | 480p is the lowest HD |
| 21:17.38 | ruskie | isn't that SD? |
| 21:17.41 | JeffM2501 | many 32inch and lower TVs are 72p |
| 21:17.43 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 21:17.48 | JeffM2501 | SD is 480i |
| 21:18.38 | JeffM2501 | all the non interlaced formats require the "HD" component connection or HDMI/displayport |
| 21:18.49 | JeffM2501 | 1080p is often called "full HD" |
| 21:19.12 | JeffM2501 | most broadcast HD content is 720p, uses less bandwith |
| 21:19.38 | ruskie | 480p does not qualify as high-definition television (HDTV); it is considered Enhanced-definition television (EDTV). |
| 21:19.41 | JeffM2501 | an HD ready tv just means it has the composite connector and can display at least 480p |
| 21:19.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:19.47 | JeffM2501 | but it's not SD |
| 21:19.54 | ruskie | it's also not HD |
| 21:20.04 | JeffM2501 | it was in between |
| 21:20.24 | JeffM2501 | HDready was just a marketing term |
| 21:20.26 | JeffM2501 | IIRC |
| 21:21.04 | JeffM2501 | it was probably applied to many 720p sets |
| 21:21.15 | ruskie | In the USA, a similar "HD Ready" term usually refers to any display that is capable of accepting and displaying a high-definition signal at either 720p, 1080i or 1080p using a component video or digital input, but does not have a built-in HD-capable tuner. |
| 21:21.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:21.42 | JeffM2501 | it dosent specify a resolution just that it can accept the input |
| 21:21.54 | Think_Differentl | I've got an "HDReady" CRT that's 1080i |
| 21:22.01 | JeffM2501 | I used to have one of those too |
| 21:22.01 | Think_Differentl | strange thing is that it's 4:3 though |
| 21:22.03 | JeffM2501 | 32inch tube |
| 21:22.14 | JeffM2501 | 1080i sucked |
| 21:22.19 | ruskie | really hates all this HD crap... |
| 21:22.28 | Think_Differentl | yeah |
| 21:22.40 | JeffM2501 | it's not that bad now, you get a tv with HDMI and you are good to go :) |
| 21:23.21 | JeffM2501 | many computer video cards have HDMI out now too so it's easy to display PCs on TVs |
| 21:23.35 | ruskie | DVI works as well |
| 21:23.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah if the TV has it, it's more and more rare these days, specialy with the cheaper TVs |
| 21:23.59 | ruskie | since it's the same signal so just needs a physical adaptor |
| 21:24.05 | ruskie | dvi-hdmi |
| 21:24.14 | JeffM2501 | tho DVI dos't support HDCP |
| 21:24.21 | JeffM2501 | not that it matters for PC output |
| 21:24.53 | ruskie | something like that ;) |
| 21:25.00 | JeffM2501 | my tv has vga and it looks fine connected to a PC, tho I use HDMI cus that gets me sound too |
| 21:25.17 | ruskie | still debating if I want to do that or not |
| 21:25.43 | JeffM2501 | depends on what your tv has for sound, I use passthru to my 5.1 system |
| 21:26.13 | JeffM2501 | xbox, PS3, and PC all HDMI in to the TV, then optical out from the TV to the audio system |
| 21:26.31 | ruskie | don't really care for those fancy audio systems |
| 21:26.32 | JeffM2501 | just use the input selector on the TV and never have to touch the audio system |
| 21:26.40 | JeffM2501 | heh mine is cheap |
| 21:26.48 | JeffM2501 | 100$ "home theater in a box" |
| 21:26.56 | JeffM2501 | the speakers in my TV are crap |
| 21:27.12 | ruskie | never really tried those out much... |
| 21:27.19 | JeffM2501 | some can suck |
| 21:27.22 | Think_Differentl | is all audio, no TV |
| 21:27.31 | ruskie | since most of my PS3ing is done on a 22" 1080p monitor |
| 21:27.38 | JeffM2501 | and this one isn't all fancy but it does the job. I don't have a huge room |
| 21:27.49 | JeffM2501 | that is a very fine DPI |
| 21:28.05 | ruskie | dell 2208w iirc is the model |
| 21:28.10 | ruskie | e-ips matrix |
| 21:28.16 | JeffM2501 | a lot of PS3 games output 720p |
| 21:28.21 | JeffM2501 | and the PS3 won't scale :( |
| 21:28.22 | ruskie | most |
| 21:28.36 | ruskie | most xbox games as well |
| 21:28.42 | JeffM2501 | at least the xbox scales it so the dispaly dosn't have to chagne reses |
| 21:29.04 | JeffM2501 | I'd rather have the console do the scaling then the TV |
| 21:29.28 | JeffM2501 | and at least the x box dosnt' give out my personal info to anyone who asks :) |
| 21:29.33 | ruskie | hehe |
| 21:29.36 | ruskie | sure it does... |
| 21:29.40 | ruskie | the accounts are hackable |
| 21:29.45 | ruskie | just not in such a large scale ;) |
| 21:29.52 | JeffM2501 | thats true of all accounts on any system |
| 21:30.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah sony didn't really have there crap together in the IT realm |
| 21:30.19 | JeffM2501 | so bad they fired the entire datacenter team |
| 21:30.34 | ruskie | imho spliting psn database from the psn store accounts wouldn't have been a bad idea as well |
| 21:30.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:30.58 | ruskie | I really don't like single sign on exactly for such issues... |
| 21:31.05 | JeffM2501 | you want those databases as far appart as then can be |
| 21:31.17 | ruskie | and pereferably region separated as well |
| 21:31.32 | ruskie | so EU region is separate from US is separate from Asia |
| 21:31.49 | JeffM2501 | they did announce that the vunverablity was KNOWN to the techincal staff but was never acted on by management |
| 21:32.05 | ruskie | :( |
| 21:32.20 | JeffM2501 | yeah I'd think having a sepperate billing center in each regon would make billing and CC stuff simpler/cheaper too |
| 21:32.44 | JeffM2501 | you could talor it to local banks etc... |
| 21:34.22 | ruskie | good thing my PSN account doesn't really have any interesting data |
| 21:34.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah nor mine |
| 21:34.36 | JeffM2501 | never bought anyting on there store |
| 21:34.41 | ruskie | top up cards is the way I do it |
| 21:34.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:34.59 | ruskie | simply because I use a UK account since when I got it there was no local store |
| 21:35.07 | JeffM2501 | you can get them really cheap on the xbox if you look for them on sale |
| 21:35.44 | ruskie | never really cared much for most xbox games |
| 21:36.02 | JeffM2501 | they are the same ones that exist on the PS3 ;) |
| 21:36.08 | ruskie | actually no |
| 21:36.15 | JeffM2501 | there are some exclusives |
| 21:36.18 | JeffM2501 | on each side |
| 21:36.27 | JeffM2501 | uncharted, GT |
| 21:36.33 | ruskie | most of Final Fantasy is on PS3... |
| 21:36.40 | JeffM2501 | not the last one |
| 21:36.49 | ruskie | the last one was crap |
| 21:36.57 | JeffM2501 | the last few were crap |
| 21:37.00 | ruskie | had it... sold it after a month... never finished it... |
| 21:37.20 | ruskie | but ffix and ffvii and ffiv the full collection(includeing the after years)... |
| 21:37.30 | ruskie | all great to play |
| 21:37.41 | JeffM2501 | those are all PS2 games arn't they? |
| 21:37.47 | ruskie | flower, flow, little big planet |
| 21:37.53 | ruskie | actually ps1 |
| 21:38.14 | ruskie | though ffiv the after years is like last years release(was for the wii) |
| 21:38.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's a console that needs HD :) |
| 21:38.54 | JeffM2501 | and a few more ghz |
| 21:38.57 | ruskie | it might get it this year @E3 |
| 21:39.07 | JeffM2501 | mayhaps |
| 21:39.22 | JeffM2501 | then it'll be 4 game cubes straped together instead of 2 :) |
| 21:39.30 | ruskie | hehe |
| 21:40.42 | ruskie | ahh also echochrome and wipeout hd |
| 21:41.01 | ruskie | of those that actually interest me |
| 21:41.06 | JeffM2501 | wipeout HD is the only reason I'm looking forward to the free month of PSN+ |
| 21:41.12 | ruskie | why? |
| 21:41.24 | JeffM2501 | it's one of the games you get to play for free with PSN+ |
| 21:41.30 | ruskie | was |
| 21:41.34 | JeffM2501 | isn't now? |
| 21:41.37 | ruskie | in the first half year |
| 21:41.40 | ruskie | it changes |
| 21:41.41 | JeffM2501 | suck |
| 21:41.57 | JeffM2501 | at least it's a decent bluray player |
| 21:41.59 | ruskie | or was it even 90 days |
| 21:42.04 | ruskie | I tried psn+ for the first 90 days... |
| 21:42.17 | ruskie | actually decided to buy wipeout hd |
| 21:42.36 | JeffM2501 | the demo was fun |
| 21:42.59 | ruskie | still waiting for portal 2 to be delivered though :( silly post office, holidays and weddings... |
| 21:43.12 | JeffM2501 | that I played on the PC |
| 21:43.26 | JeffM2501 | huge sucsess |
| 21:43.27 | ruskie | don't have a gaming pc and probably never will have one... |
| 21:43.44 | JeffM2501 | good thing bzflag's graphics suck then |
| 21:43.44 | ruskie | but the win/mac code that comes with the PS3 I'll give to a friend of mine |
| 21:43.56 | JeffM2501 | dosn't work that way IIRC |
| 21:44.01 | JeffM2501 | it's a steam thing |
| 21:44.06 | JeffM2501 | tied to YOUR steam account |
| 21:44.10 | JeffM2501 | can't play both at the same time |
| 21:44.12 | ruskie | by gaming PC I meant anything running with windows or mac... |
| 21:44.20 | JeffM2501 | it's intended for you to use on your PC |
| 21:44.28 | JeffM2501 | cus the PS3 version comes with a PS3 version of steam |
| 21:45.47 | ruskie | haven't really looked into it |
| 21:46.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's not just a code you type in and get a version of portal |
| 21:46.29 | JeffM2501 | when you sign into steam on the PS3 it unlocks the PC license for that steam account |
| 21:47.01 | JeffM2501 | so he'd have to give you his steam account info and you put that in, then I don't think you'd be able to be signed into both at the same time |
| 21:47.43 | JeffM2501 | https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=5477-WPJM-9388 |
| 21:48.20 | JeffM2501 | it's not a 2 pack of the game |
| 21:48.28 | JeffM2501 | they sold those for the PC on steam only |
| 21:49.29 | ruskie | ahh |
| 21:49.31 | ruskie | that anwsers it |
| 21:50.06 | JeffM2501 | it's one software license with rights to play on 2 different platforms. but it's still a single license |
| 21:50.56 | ruskie | could probably bypass it one way or another |
| 21:51.14 | JeffM2501 | probably with some hoops to jump thru and some limitations |
| 21:51.28 | JeffM2501 | like if you never play online don't sign into PSN when you play portal |
| 21:51.54 | ruskie | from what I've read something like make a seconda PSN account -> link that to the friends steam account -> reedem code -> done friend can access the PC version |
| 21:52.06 | ruskie | I then relogin to my own PSN account and connect to steam |
| 21:52.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah or make a steam account that you 2 share or soething |
| 21:52.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:52.31 | ruskie | that way we could actually both play at the same time from what I've read... |
| 21:52.38 | JeffM2501 | then I call the feds and get my 10k from you :) |
| 21:52.42 | ruskie | haha |
| 21:53.03 | ruskie | not in the USA ;) |
| 21:53.14 | JeffM2501 | extraditon ! |
| 21:54.59 | ruskie | hmm I guess I'll just be able to finish portal 2 when I get some fresh games... |
| 21:55.46 | ruskie | then I don't think there is anything of interest to me 'till autumn... |
| 21:56.00 | ruskie | good thing I have plenty of other games to finish... |
| 22:25.18 | short_circuit | Sony full HD. |
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