| 00:03.26 | CIA-117 | BZFlag: 03bthansen * r21701 10/trunk/bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix typo: paramaters -> parameters |
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| 02:22.38 | yosef | has anyone considered introducing a new object type in future versions of bzflag? |
| 02:23.43 | trepan | been there, done that |
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| 02:26.11 | yosef | what new types will there be then? |
| 02:26.52 | trepan | what types do you want? |
| 02:27.11 | yosef | boxes that move |
| 02:27.39 | trepan | visually, easy to do in 3.0 |
| 02:27.53 | trepan | simulation wise, possible but much more difficult |
| 02:28.43 | yosef | is it because a moving box's position and velocity has to exist in the code? |
| 02:29.01 | trepan | something like that |
| 02:29.30 | yosef | what about physics that have their own internal gravity? |
| 02:30.10 | trepan | you mean zones with their own physics? |
| 02:30.14 | yosef | linear physics (I don't know the right terms) |
| 02:30.43 | yosef | the current ones carry you along because gravity pulls down |
| 02:31.14 | trepan | c'mon, don't be bogartin', pass that over here |
| 02:31.29 | yosef | but what if you could jump up to them, come under their influence, hang, then jump(push) off? |
| 02:33.42 | yosef | like a monorail :) |
| 02:37.16 | yosef | i'll take it i'm delusional? |
| 02:39.44 | delusional | no, that is me |
| 02:57.08 | trepan | ~seen brlcad |
| 02:57.16 | ibot | brlcad <~sean@BZ.BZFLAG.BZ> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 30d 14h 46m 16s ago, saying: 'the one assigned is merely the one that will likely be tracking your progress and filling out your evals, but technical assistance is from all'. |
| 02:57.30 | trepan | any else have bzflag.bz root ? |
| 02:58.27 | trepan | *anyone |
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| 03:49.44 | trepan | http://bzbattleground.com:8010/ (kindly hosted by ahs3) |
| 03:50.28 | trepan | still need some configuration, and some build slaves - that's why I was asking about root perms on bzflag.bz, would like to setup an account for a build slave there |
| 03:51.46 | JeffM | that server has no ram |
| 03:52.01 | JeffM | and we will be moving off of it |
| 03:52.27 | trepan | are you laeving SportsChick on it? |
| 03:52.33 | JeffM | YES |
| 03:53.17 | trepan | either way, just want a few test slaves with different OSes |
| 03:53.27 | trepan | it can build bz, even if it's slowly |
| 03:53.34 | JeffM | I can get ou an account on our server |
| 03:53.41 | trepan | the new one? |
| 03:54.12 | JeffM | not brlcad's new one but mine |
| 03:54.20 | JeffM | where b.o will move |
| 03:54.26 | JeffM | same data center |
| 03:54.30 | trepan | cool, would be appreciate - what OS? |
| 03:54.37 | trepan | *appreciated |
| 03:54.44 | JeffM | brl's "new" server is so old they don't even offer it any more |
| 03:54.53 | JeffM | debian squeeze |
| 03:55.22 | trepan | we'll probably want a windows box too, looks like buildbot can hook into VC8/9 |
| 03:55.47 | trepan | not sure about VC10, or anything about MSVC/windows buildbot setup to be honest |
| 03:57.18 | JeffM | I would not move BZ to vc 10 for a while |
| 03:57.25 | JeffM | it's still slow |
| 03:57.30 | JeffM | we just moved at work |
| 04:25.14 | CIA-117 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r21702 10/branches/experimental/v2_99continuing/bzflag/other_src/premake/src/ (actions/make/make_cpp.lua base/premake.lua host/scripts.c): |
| 04:25.15 | CIA-117 | BZFlag: * another premake customization, only touch the Makefiles when their |
| 04:25.15 | CIA-117 | BZFlag: contents have changed (this results in less needless compilation) |
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| 05:38.29 | BulletCatcher | Good catch on the _USE_BZ_API -> BZ_PLUGINS change. |
| 05:38.31 | BulletCatcher | I am relieved that I didn't break the build system too badly. |
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| 06:42.36 | CIA-117 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r21703 10/trunk/bzflag/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Out with the old ares and in with the new. |
| 06:46.04 | BulletCatcher | That change makes --enable-ares-build work on my Mac. |
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| 08:46.56 | ts | BulletCatcher: For me it's "Out with the old ares and *out* with the new." |
| 08:58.40 | ts | BulletCatcher: Oooh, not mentioned change in r21703 fixed it. |
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| 15:41.02 | blast007 | x-ray disposal spam? guess they ran out of boots. |
| 15:47.49 | a_meteorite | >_> |
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| 16:26.53 | JeffM | trepan, how do do premake? |
| 16:38.48 | trepan | JeffM: you can use the top-level ./build.sh script |
| 16:38.58 | JeffM | windows |
| 16:39.01 | JeffM | no sh |
| 16:39.30 | trepan | other_src/premake/build/vs2008/Premake4.sln |
| 16:39.59 | trepan | the premake4.lua's in SVN probably wont be too happy with windows yet :) |
| 16:40.51 | trepan | there's also a link to a tip for MSVC / premake use in the top-level premake4.lua |
| 16:41.15 | trepan | (at the top of the file) |
| 16:41.15 | JeffM | I built the version of premake you need |
| 16:41.29 | JeffM | but how is it run? |
| 16:41.37 | JeffM | oh so I should wait |
| 16:41.38 | trepan | bzflag's premake is customized |
| 16:41.40 | JeffM | no worries then |
| 16:41.52 | JeffM | yeah I saw that |
| 16:42.05 | trepan | other_src/premake/build/vs2008/Premake4.sln <-- does that work? |
| 16:42.10 | JeffM | build a thing before you can build the thing that builds the thing ;) |
| 16:42.13 | JeffM | yes it built |
| 16:42.23 | trepan | cool, small steps ;) |
| 16:42.51 | trepan | did you try using it on the top-level premake4.lua? |
| 16:43.39 | trepan | (should add a build.bat, using msbuild or devenv) |
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| 16:43.56 | JeffM | Unable to find _premake_main.lua; use /scripts option when in debug mode! |
| 16:43.56 | JeffM | Please refer to the documentation (or build in release mode instead). |
| 16:43.56 | JeffM | C:\Users\JeffM\Desktop\bzflag_299+> |
| 16:44.16 | trepan | you try a release build? |
| 16:44.26 | JeffM | of what? the tool? |
| 16:44.28 | trepan | ya |
| 16:44.33 | JeffM | why would that matter? |
| 16:44.40 | trepan | beats me |
| 16:45.02 | trepan | i'll just pull the debug configuration if it's going to lead to that problem |
| 16:45.25 | JeffM | the tool's build config should not have anything to do with how bzflag is bult right? |
| 16:45.46 | trepan | nope, but "Unable to find _premake_main.lua" looks like a tool error |
| 16:46.15 | JeffM | Error: no such action 'premake4.lua' |
| 16:46.41 | trepan | hm, you probably have to point it to the right premake4.lua, not sure how that's done in winders |
| 16:46.53 | trepan | drag and drop? |
| 16:46.59 | JeffM | I am using a command line |
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| 16:47.07 | JeffM | Error: no such action 'premake4.lua' |
| 16:47.10 | JeffM | oops |
| 16:47.12 | trepan | ah, you'll have to run it from the top level then |
| 16:47.18 | JeffM | C:\Users\JeffM\Desktop\bzflag_299+>premake4.exe premake4.lua |
| 16:47.23 | JeffM | that's in the root of the dfir |
| 16:47.32 | trepan | ah, try: premake4.lua help |
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| 16:47.34 | JeffM | ahh you don't give it |
| 16:47.37 | JeffM | it's doing something |
| 16:47.40 | trepan | or: premake4.lua vs2008 |
| 16:48.29 | trepan | hm, or just 'premake4.lua', i thought I'd added 'vs2010' as the default build action |
| 16:48.40 | trepan | (which is now vs2008 in my sources) |
| 16:48.52 | JeffM | if I just call premake4.exe it builds stuff for 2010 |
| 16:48.57 | JeffM | you did |
| 16:49.01 | JeffM | but 2010 is crap |
| 16:49.15 | trepan | k, the change to 2008 is coming |
| 16:49.29 | trepan | you get a bunch of files in build_vs2010/ ? |
| 16:50.00 | JeffM | yeah |
| 16:50.02 | JeffM | it's building now |
| 16:50.11 | JeffM | the config is crap |
| 16:50.16 | trepan | it'll probably bork in the ares, curl, etc... |
| 16:50.17 | JeffM | lots of macro redefs |
| 16:50.27 | trepan | what config ? |
| 16:50.31 | JeffM | config.h |
| 16:50.42 | trepan | should be the one from MSVC |
| 16:50.49 | JeffM | DEBUG and DEBUG_RENDERING are defined multiple times |
| 16:51.17 | trepan | odd, could you pastebin or DCC it? |
| 16:51.34 | JeffM | when it finishes sure |
| 16:52.11 | trepan | (should just be a copy of premake4_config/config_msvc.h with an extra few lines at the top, and premake4_config/config_msvc.h is a copy of MSVC/build/config.h) |
| 16:52.46 | JeffM | errors http://pastebin.com/NAH4eAFq |
| 16:52.52 | JeffM | config http://pastebin.com/0ktYwswc |
| 16:53.30 | JeffM | it's because they are allready defined in the project file under preprocessors |
| 16:53.44 | JeffM | it has the following, DEBUG;_DEBUG;DEBUG_RENDERING;%(PreprocessorDefinitions) |
| 16:54.01 | JeffM | so ether pull it from the project, or check ifndef in the config |
| 16:54.25 | trepan | ah, thanks |
| 16:54.38 | JeffM | sure |
| 16:54.49 | trepan | hm, is DEBUG set for both release and debug windows builds currently? |
| 16:54.59 | trepan | (if they both use the same config.h) |
| 16:55.12 | JeffM | release has NDEBUG;%(PreprocessorDefinitions) |
| 16:55.35 | trepan | ah, _DEBUG vs. DEBUG, got it |
| 16:55.49 | JeffM | yeah _DEBUG is the vc way of saying debug IIRC |
| 16:57.55 | trepan | you can take them out of the top premake4.lua "configuration 'debug*'" if you want to give it another whirl |
| 16:59.11 | JeffM | yeah _debug is all you want to do |
| 16:59.20 | JeffM | that's what vc puts in by default |
| 16:59.35 | trepan | for "build.bat", should "devenv /run other_src/premake/build/vs2008/Premake4.sln" work? |
| 16:59.36 | JeffM | whirling |
| 16:59.56 | trepan | or msbuild ? don't really know the diff between them :) |
| 16:59.57 | JeffM | if you remove VC10 support then all they have to do is double click it :) |
| 17:00.32 | JeffM | msbuild is what visual studio calls to build |
| 17:00.34 | JeffM | it's like make |
| 17:00.52 | JeffM | you can call ms build if you just have the compiler and not the IDE |
| 17:02.01 | JeffM | oh you turned warnings into errors |
| 17:02.07 | JeffM | yeah bz will NEVER build on windows then :) |
| 17:02.31 | trepan | i'll disable that for windows |
| 17:02.43 | JeffM | yeah a lot of the third party libs make warnings on windows |
| 17:02.50 | JeffM | mostly 64bit conversion warnings |
| 17:03.02 | JeffM | but it got further |
| 17:03.09 | trepan | 'FatalWarnings' isn't in the release build, fwiw |
| 17:03.26 | JeffM | release builds are for girls ;) |
| 17:04.20 | JeffM | obstacle can't find glew |
| 17:04.33 | trepan | why would it want to? |
| 17:04.58 | JeffM | BaseSceneNodeGenerator is getting into bzfgl.h |
| 17:05.03 | trepan | all the other_src libs expect for lua/ are going to break at the mometn |
| 17:05.06 | trepan | *moment |
| 17:05.15 | JeffM | let me see how it gets there |
| 17:05.59 | JeffM | yeah it includes it |
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| 17:06.14 | JeffM | then glew is right at the top of it |
| 17:06.43 | trepan | not a real problem, the main issue is that I haven't config'ed the other_src libs |
| 17:07.04 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:07.04 | JeffM | it does make some fugly projects :) |
| 17:07.04 | JeffM | but I'm sure that can be tweaked later |
| 17:07.04 | trepan | how so? |
| 17:07.30 | JeffM | all the .cxx and h files are mixed in "src" cats |
| 17:07.39 | JeffM | you've based it on the folder layou |
| 17:07.42 | JeffM | layout |
| 17:07.49 | JeffM | we had them based on more logcal groups |
| 17:08.01 | JeffM | headers in there own folders, other groups for things like "drawing" |
| 17:08.17 | JeffM | the layout in VC dosn't have to match the disk layout |
| 17:08.42 | JeffM | also we had put all the plugins in a plugins solution group |
| 17:09.11 | trepan | don't know if premake4 supports moving them around in the project, but it sounds like it wouldn't be too hard to add a file tag to do it |
| 17:09.34 | JeffM | it's functionaly, obviously very linux like but functional |
| 17:10.32 | trepan | don't forget that the tool's purpose is to generate project files for multiple build systems; and it seems to use the lowest common denominator by default |
| 17:10.34 | JeffM | in the end I think it'll work for generating the projects after it's tweaked out |
| 17:10.40 | JeffM | yeah I know |
| 17:11.05 | JeffM | make everyone pay for the crapiest system :) |
| 17:11.17 | JeffM | at least you don't have to suport devC++ then everyone would have totaly crap systems :) |
| 17:11.31 | trepan | likes directory structures |
| 17:11.44 | trepan | crappy is in the eye of the beholder |
| 17:11.45 | trepan | :) |
| 17:12.01 | JeffM | nothing would prevent us from changing the bzflag folder structure to work better |
| 17:12.21 | trepan | #1. none of the files in 3D/ are really 3D |
| 17:12.36 | JeffM | well, like most cross platform stuff you trade off being optimized for one platform for easy to make go on multiples |
| 17:12.44 | JeffM | yeah I think all our dirs need to be reviewed |
| 17:12.57 | JeffM | and I'm not a fan of the giant /inc folder |
| 17:12.57 | trepan | btw, thanks for testing it as much as you did, gives me some hope that it'll work |
| 17:13.06 | JeffM | yeah I think it will work |
| 17:13.21 | DTRemenak | global header/source split is very traditional for VS projects. it can be accomplished automatically with a project filter; dunno whether premake can do that, but cmake can so it's not unreasonable. |
| 17:13.23 | JeffM | for a cross platform tool that's been the most sucsessfull one I've seen |
| 17:13.29 | trepan | ya, i'm not a big fan of include/ either |
| 17:13.38 | trepan | bzflag isn't a library |
| 17:13.42 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:13.44 | trepan | i prefer localized headers |
| 17:13.49 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:14.17 | JeffM | specaily if the build system can handle all the include dirs it needs |
| 17:15.58 | trepan | fwiw, i installed g++, make, autotools, etc... on your server; it can now do trunk and 2.99 full builds |
| 17:16.17 | JeffM | since the premake project is checked in, you could actualy have it run premake after it builds it and have it make the vc 10 stuff |
| 17:16.30 | JeffM | yeah it's a new install |
| 17:16.32 | JeffM | ish |
| 17:16.36 | JeffM | and a new hard drive |
| 17:16.38 | JeffM | we had bad rams |
| 17:16.47 | JeffM | and the worst debian upgrade EVER :) |
| 17:16.54 | DTRemenak | indeed |
| 17:17.14 | JeffM | will never trust blast007 when he says "the upgrade should go fine" ;) |
| 17:17.38 | JeffM | trepan, how many cores does it use for building? |
| 17:19.31 | trepan | for me, it depends on MAKEFLAGS (the -j option) |
| 17:19.37 | trepan | not sure about msvc |
| 17:19.43 | JeffM | oh I mean my server :) |
| 17:19.54 | JeffM | vc will use a core per project up to a limit you set |
| 17:19.57 | DTRemenak | vc is a global option, not per-project |
| 17:20.13 | JeffM | yeah it's not a per project settings |
| 17:20.23 | JeffM | but it builds a project on a core, not per file |
| 17:20.28 | JeffM | it ain't incredibuild |
| 17:20.31 | trepan | on your server, 1 core |
| 17:20.38 | JeffM | that should be fine then |
| 17:20.46 | JeffM | it has 4 logical ones IIRC |
| 17:21.21 | JeffM | with incredibuild full trunk build in 1:46 |
| 17:22.00 | trepan | DTRemenak: saw your note about a windows vm, sounds like a decent option |
| 17:23.02 | DTRemenak | probably easier than finding an internet-facing windows box that nobody minds being occupied by builds at strange hours :) |
| 17:23.22 | JeffM | I'd say easier then finding an internet facing windows box :) |
| 17:23.37 | DTRemenak | even that is probably true :) |
| 17:23.39 | JeffM | that isn't pwownzorz |
| 17:26.41 | blast007 | JeffM: pfft, I never said that :P |
| 17:26.51 | JeffM | I know |
| 17:27.08 | JeffM | you helped a hell of a lot in getting it set back up |
| 17:27.14 | JeffM | I'm glad they didn't charge for a reinstall |
| 17:27.30 | JeffM | and I'd rather have found the bad ram then rather then later when we had moved services |
| 17:27.37 | blast007 | yeah |
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| 17:28.34 | JeffM | so you want to move services after the 2.4 release so that you know the dns won't be cached? |
| 17:28.47 | JeffM | or before and just deal with straglers by shutting down the old list? |
| 17:29.02 | JeffM | or could we do a redirect on the old server to a new URL on the new server? |
| 17:32.52 | BulletCatcher | It looks like cURL will, in fact, follow redirects. |
| 17:33.15 | JeffM | cool |
| 17:33.18 | JeffM | that could make it simpler |
| 17:33.22 | BulletCatcher | Yes. |
| 17:33.50 | JeffM | wonder if I should get that other domain then so we have something else to redriect too |
| 17:33.56 | JeffM | game-services.org |
| 17:34.20 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: hmm, interesting - and you're talking about our cURL specifically? |
| 17:34.30 | blast007 | our cURL settings* |
| 17:35.09 | BulletCatcher | Hmmm. Maybe not the cURL in 2.0.x. |
| 17:35.33 | blast007 | version, or the way we have it set up? |
| 17:36.11 | BulletCatcher | Bah. 2.0 doesn't have cURL, but it uses it. |
| 17:36.35 | blast007 | oh right. |
| 17:36.49 | BulletCatcher | What is the source of cURL for 2.0 on Windows? |
| 17:37.03 | blast007 | depends on who builds it |
| 17:37.16 | blast007 | I usually built my own copy from the latest source at the time |
| 17:37.20 | blast007 | I think Jeff used their bins |
| 17:37.33 | blast007 | 2.0.16 is from bins, iirc |
| 17:39.03 | blast007 | JeffM: I guess we'll see how this redirect thing turns out. If it's going to be a huge disruption, I might just wait until 2.4 is a bit more popular. |
| 17:39.15 | blast007 | we could move over some stuff like the wiki, since that doesn't talk to anything else |
| 17:39.18 | JeffM | 16 used bins from trunk |
| 17:39.32 | JeffM | k |
| 17:39.40 | blast007 | and we could also move over stuff that just uses weblogin (like the image site) |
| 17:39.50 | JeffM | move wiki, and mainsite, and maybe stats? |
| 17:39.54 | JeffM | k |
| 17:39.58 | JeffM | yeah move all that you can |
| 17:40.04 | blast007 | yeah, stats could move |
| 17:40.05 | JeffM | so that when the release happens there is the least to move |
| 17:40.16 | blast007 | I'd want to pull the stats site files out of the db/ SVN repo first |
| 17:40.22 | JeffM | or crap out a .18 and tell people to upgrade :) |
| 17:40.26 | blast007 | heh |
| 17:40.42 | JeffM | it'd get there attention |
| 17:40.51 | JeffM | release it as a server only package :) |
| 17:41.01 | JeffM | mdskpr_, want another task? |
| 17:41.41 | blast007 | did add the DNS caching task to the google spreadsheet |
| 17:41.56 | blast007 | can't recall if it was already on there somewhere else.. |
| 17:42.05 | JeffM | I don't think it was |
| 17:42.09 | blast007 | k |
| 17:42.22 | JeffM | I was thinking mdskpr_ could move push stats internal |
| 17:42.41 | mdskpr_ | push stats? |
| 17:42.51 | JeffM | it's a plugin |
| 17:43.09 | JeffM | every time someone joins or leaves it pushes there stats to a central server |
| 17:43.10 | blast007 | where servers send stats to a central stats server, instead of our stats server querying snapshots of each server |
| 17:43.27 | mdskpr_ | ah |
| 17:43.27 | JeffM | 2.99 had it internal but I wrote a plugin for 2.0.x |
| 17:43.40 | JeffM | so ether take the internals from 2.99, or move the plugin internal |
| 17:43.49 | JeffM | that way it happens automaticly |
| 17:43.56 | mdskpr_ | ok, i think it would be easier to backport |
| 17:44.00 | JeffM | probably |
| 17:44.16 | JeffM | I belive it's all in it's own cxx file in 2.99 |
| 17:44.39 | JeffM | it should make stats more accurate and stop people from walking the list server every 5 min |
| 17:45.08 | blast007 | src/bzfs/Stats.cxx looks like it :) |
| 17:45.14 | JeffM | it would be nice to get a more web centric developer to look over the db side of it |
| 17:45.22 | JeffM | joevano, got any extra cycles? |
| 17:45.56 | blast007 | what language was the server-side part done in? |
| 17:46.03 | JeffM | the phps |
| 17:46.10 | blast007 | ok |
| 17:46.19 | JeffM | there was no need to go with the c sharps |
| 17:46.28 | JeffM | it had too many gbs and wifis |
| 17:46.44 | blast007 | json is probably easier to process than XML |
| 17:46.59 | JeffM | did I do xml? |
| 17:47.01 | blast007 | $data = json_decode($thejson); |
| 17:47.10 | blast007 | looks like it |
| 17:47.16 | JeffM | thats stupid |
| 17:47.17 | blast007 | StatsLink::buildXMLPlayer |
| 17:47.22 | JeffM | don't do that |
| 17:47.27 | JeffM | do wahtever you want |
| 17:47.35 | blast007 | though there's also StatsLink::buildHTMLPlayer |
| 17:47.43 | JeffM | ok |
| 17:47.54 | JeffM | I thought there was one that just sent a bunch of params |
| 17:48.07 | blast007 | I think that's what that does |
| 17:48.13 | blast007 | looks like it builds the query string |
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| 17:52.54 | blast007 | though I think even XML isn't that bad to parse in PHP 5.3 |
| 17:54.03 | blast007 | in either case, we'd want to ensure that the data is getting escaped/encoded properly |
| 17:54.16 | blast007 | (spaces, symbols, etc) |
| 17:55.31 | blast007 | http://www.php.net/manual/en/simplexml.examples-basic.php |
| 17:56.42 | mdskpr_ | JeffM: 2.4 doesnt have any of the customData stuff right? |
| 17:57.04 | blast007 | right |
| 17:57.14 | JeffM | yeah there is still the email field |
| 17:57.36 | mdskpr_ | so the email field is customData? |
| 17:57.44 | JeffM | no |
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| 17:57.56 | JeffM | it's just a field in the data structure |
| 17:58.24 | blast007 | in 2.3, email is sent as part of the MsgEnter, not as a custom data message (which doesn't exist in 2.3 or 2.0.x) |
| 17:59.20 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:59.22 | JeffM | taht stuff |
| 17:59.23 | blast007 | JeffM: should there be a way to disable the push stats? |
| 17:59.47 | JeffM | probably |
| 18:00.00 | JeffM | but make it a command nobody will ever type |
| 18:00.13 | blast007 | -dontTypeThisEver |
| 18:00.20 | JeffM | like -isleepwithgoatsandhatepie_disable_stats |
| 18:00.31 | blast007 | even better |
| 18:00.50 | JeffM | -run_in_windows_emulation |
| 18:01.17 | JeffM | -billgatesismyfriendandilovehim |
| 18:01.43 | JeffM | should also make it pull the URL from a var or somthing |
| 18:01.51 | blast007 | it does already |
| 18:01.55 | JeffM | ok good |
| 18:01.59 | blast007 | _statURL |
| 18:02.05 | JeffM | maybe just make it not send if the url is empty? |
| 18:02.22 | blast007 | yeah, we could |
| 18:02.29 | JeffM | that'd be simple enough |
| 18:02.34 | JeffM | and functional |
| 18:02.36 | blast007 | currently it sets the var with the stattrack stuff if it's empty |
| 18:02.43 | JeffM | ahh |
| 18:02.54 | JeffM | ok add another switch then |
| 18:03.02 | JeffM | I do like blank as default |
| 18:03.08 | JeffM | then you don't have to remember what it was |
| 18:03.13 | BulletCatcher | Stats should be pushed only on public servers. |
| 18:03.18 | JeffM | yes |
| 18:03.26 | blast007 | well, it's the server though, so they don't have to remember |
| 18:03.28 | JeffM | it's done as part of the list server update event |
| 18:03.30 | blast007 | they just don't have to set it |
| 18:03.40 | blast007 | and those than don't want it can do -set _statURL "" |
| 18:03.47 | blast007 | though that seems kinda "ew" |
| 18:03.50 | JeffM | whatever works for you |
| 18:04.01 | blast007 | I'll think about it |
| 18:04.01 | JeffM | you know more about server owners then I do |
| 18:04.10 | blast007 | I don't think most would turn it off |
| 18:04.18 | JeffM | yeah I don't think any will |
| 18:04.33 | JeffM | it happens in the tick too so it dosnt' slow down the machine |
| 18:04.39 | blast007 | but let's say someone has a "100 bots and free shockwaves" server.. they might want to turn it off |
| 18:04.44 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:04.55 | JeffM | at least this thing sends up bzid too |
| 18:04.55 | blast007 | (not that they would, but they *could* ...) |
| 18:05.01 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:05.12 | JeffM | that should help take care the stats problem |
| 18:05.14 | blast007 | in 1.7 days, the stats site did more ;) |
| 18:05.19 | blast007 | you could register on there |
| 18:05.37 | blast007 | and it checked the IP, cuz player IPs got sent out to everyone |
| 18:05.43 | JeffM | that's right |
| 18:06.10 | JeffM | security... what's that? |
| 18:06.31 | blast007 | it's that thing that Sony doesn't have |
| 18:06.45 | JeffM | heh |
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| 18:17.52 | Calzaath | whare can i down load BZflag that works with lunix? |
| 18:18.50 | Calzaath | uh duh nevermind |
| 18:19.20 | JeffM | hooookayyyyy |
| 18:20.47 | meem1029 | That was interesting... |
| 18:21.37 | blast007 | Thank you! Come again! |
| 18:22.44 | a_meteorite | lunix is my favorite OS |
| 18:23.23 | blast007 | yeah, but Wondiws is pretty good too. Depends on what you're doing. |
| 18:24.39 | trepan | mocasx'in the running |
| 18:24.58 | JeffM | it has malware now |
| 18:25.24 | blast007 | melwara |
| 18:31.54 | CIA-117 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r21704 10/trunk/bzflag/ (8 files in 3 dirs): |
| 18:31.54 | CIA-117 | BZFlag: move all the various death parameters into a nice structure. |
| 18:31.54 | CIA-117 | BZFlag: let the death override the tank's vector on asplode |
| 18:31.54 | CIA-117 | BZFlag: let the death turn off the default explosion. |
| 18:31.54 | CIA-117 | BZFlag: let the death modify the color of the part |
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| 19:07.15 | CIA-117 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r21705 10/trunk/bzflag/configure.ac: |
| 19:07.15 | CIA-117 | BZFlag: Change --enable-plugins to --disable-plugins, as they are built by default. |
| 19:07.15 | CIA-117 | BZFlag: Protect against badly formed arguments to --enable-plugins. |
| 20:04.48 | CIA-117 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r21706 10/trunk/bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): make SquishDeathEffect leave the tank on the ground. |
| 20:13.42 | trepan | there was a reason that I didn't add the vec(const T []) constructors in vectors.h, the autocasting could be dangerous, even with explicit |
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| 20:30.39 | JeffM | should I just do it as fvec3(v[0],v[1],v[2]) ? |
| 20:31.54 | trepan | ya, that's what I'd been doing |
| 20:31.59 | JeffM | okeys |
| 20:32.09 | JeffM | it just felt wrong, but I understand |
| 20:32.19 | JeffM | the correct fix is to get rid of float* everywhere |
| 20:33.05 | trepan | it too quite a while to do the full fvec[234] conversion for 2.99, and it's not something that I'd want to do again |
| 20:33.33 | JeffM | yeah nor did I :) |
| 20:33.36 | trepan | though some float* still remain, where the vecs don't really belong |
| 20:34.09 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:34.20 | JeffM | I just want to use the vecs for new stuff they are a lot simpler |
| 20:35.09 | trepan | especially for basic concepts like v1 = v2, v1 += v2 |
| 20:35.13 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:35.36 | JeffM | dist= speed/time :) |
| 20:38.01 | CIA-117 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r21707 10/trunk/bzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 20:38.02 | CIA-117 | BZFlag: remove constructors/assignments that use const float* they have danger. |
| 20:38.02 | CIA-117 | BZFlag: remove specific effects from headers they are not used anywhere else but the implementation. |
| 20:55.58 | CIA-117 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r21708 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ (effectsRenderer.cxx effectsRenderer.h): Make "GotKilled" death have the tank just fade up and out. |
| 21:08.46 | JeffM | hmmm, 2.99 has a different display list system then 2.0.x |
| 21:19.56 | Erroneous | a lot of things in 2.99 are different |
| 21:20.23 | JeffM | dosn't look like the one in 2.0.x was ever used |
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| 22:08.27 | JeffM | trepan, do you know what the GFXBlockMgr is? |
| 22:12.34 | trepan | ya, it for blocking the rendering of various graphics items |
| 22:12.51 | JeffM | it going to be a problem if I backport it? |
| 22:13.02 | trepan | what for? |
| 22:13.11 | trepan | ... and no, probably not |
| 22:13.14 | JeffM | tyring to move back some of the graphics utils |
| 22:13.17 | JeffM | and it's mixed in there |
| 22:13.27 | JeffM | so my choices are remove it form the utils or backport it |
| 22:13.28 | trepan | probably easier to remove it |
| 22:13.39 | JeffM | k |
| 22:14.09 | JeffM | it's only about 35 places in the code that use it |
| 22:14.13 | JeffM | was it used by lua? |
| 22:14.26 | trepan | yup |
| 22:14.34 | trepan | any EventCient could use it though |
| 22:14.42 | trepan | *EventClient |
| 22:15.36 | trepan | and you're right, should put a little description at the top of GfxBlock.h -- same goes for a number of other files |
| 22:15.46 | trepan | little 1 line desc's can do wonders |
| 22:16.53 | JeffM | part of me wondered if it was for some kind of async drawing :) |
| 22:17.38 | trepan | heh, ya, makes sense |
| 22:27.30 | CIA-117 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r21709 10/trunk/bzflag/ (10 files in 4 dirs): backport OpenGLUtils from 2.99 and move back hud marker rendering code |
| 22:47.40 | KTL | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `OpenGLDisplayList.h', needed by `all-am'. Stop. |
| 22:47.47 | KTL | :) |
| 22:59.37 | BulletCatcher | KTL: Run autogen.sh and configure again, then make. |
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| 23:04.17 | KTL | that didnt help |
| 23:04.50 | trepan | edit include/Makefile.am? |
| 23:05.21 | blast007 | should it be trying to 'make' a header? |
| 23:05.37 | trepan | dunno, but that's where the problem lies |
| 23:05.49 | KTL | runs the whole mess again (make clean autogen configure make ) |
| 23:06.01 | trepan | in the "noinst_HEADERS = " section |
| 23:06.18 | trepan | maybe they're used for deps, dunno |
| 23:06.19 | BulletCatcher | Need to remove OpenGLDisplayList.h from include/Makefile.am, testing now... |
| 23:06.45 | JeffM | I dind't check that in? |
| 23:06.48 | JeffM | I'm sorry |
| 23:06.58 | KTL | that's better indeed |
| 23:07.00 | BulletCatcher | We've got your back, JeffM. |
| 23:07.04 | KTL | remove that one line |
| 23:07.07 | JeffM | I did all the others |
| 23:08.19 | KTL | compiles without warnings or erros |
| 23:08.25 | KTL | *errors |
| 23:09.09 | CIA-117 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r21710 10/trunk/bzflag/include/Makefile.am: Remove reference to OpenGLDisplayList.h, which is now gone. |
| 23:16.26 | JeffM | oh crud... we don't have the COLLISIONMGR in 2.3 do we? |
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| 23:17.25 | JeffM | ahh we do, just need include... pheeww. would have sucked if we didn't |
| 23:25.36 | yosef | question - will the funny teleporter bug that sometimes happens be fixed in 2.3? |
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| 23:25.54 | JeffM | you need to be a little more specific |
| 23:26.22 | yosef | where, on certain maps, if you through the teleporter you emerge sealed slightly below the surface |
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| 23:26.53 | JeffM | that I dunno, was it fixed in v3? |
| 23:27.15 | yosef | I don't know, where can I check? |
| 23:27.40 | JeffM | you'd have to build the branch and test it |
| 23:27.56 | JeffM | or use one of the pre-alpha's that we posted |
| 23:28.01 | JeffM | or just build 2.3 and test it |
| 23:28.15 | JeffM | I know some work was done on something in teleporters |
| 23:28.24 | JeffM | but I'm not sure about specifics |
| 23:28.38 | KTL | yosef |
| 23:28.41 | yosef | ok |
| 23:28.45 | KTL | if you refer to delirious city |
| 23:28.54 | KTL | there some tele's are deliberately lowered |
| 23:29.00 | KTL | to fix ... another tele bug |
| 23:29.16 | CIA-117 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r21711 10/trunk/bzflag/ (11 files in 2 dirs): |
| 23:29.17 | CIA-117 | BZFlag: rename badly named "player" array to remotePlayers and fix the cases where we were using it wrong. |
| 23:29.17 | CIA-117 | BZFlag: backport more of the hud markers |
| 23:29.19 | JeffM | did we fix that other bug? :) |
| 23:29.20 | yosef | didn't know that. KTL - I was referring to a map shaped like a massive stadium, with tanks in the middle |
| 23:30.00 | JeffM | I know there were big changes to porters in 3, they were turned into mesh geometry and that helped collisions with them a lot |
| 23:30.05 | JeffM | we won't be doing that in 2.4 |
| 23:30.27 | JeffM | but there were also fixes regarding porters of different sizes and how one mapped to another, thos I think we could get in. |
| 23:30.43 | yosef | where are the pre-alphas posted? |
| 23:30.48 | JeffM | forums |
| 23:30.50 | trepan | they wont be directly applicable |
| 23:31.02 | JeffM | tied into funky stuff? |
| 23:31.29 | trepan | the 'porter links were are mesh faces, with STP vector calcs; _much_ different, _much_ more flexible |
| 23:31.37 | JeffM | ahh |
| 23:32.25 | trepan | each face has src and dst vectors, with scaling and rotation factors and all kinds of weird crap |
| 23:32.36 | JeffM | yeah that would make it a lot easier |
| 23:32.47 | JeffM | ok so maybe we can't do that :) |
| 23:33.03 | trepan | if you look at the 2.99 bzw.5, it's one of the most complicated items |
| 23:36.14 | trepan | ironically, with the MsgForcePlayer, you could fake a lot of it server side; i guess the shots would still need it though, they have no equivalent |
| 23:36.40 | JeffM | better to just get 3 done soon after 2.4 |
| 23:37.29 | trepan | might even be ready by the time yall get the new 2.4 goodies ported to it |
| 23:37.44 | JeffM | possibly |
| 23:38.00 | trepan | (although I told DTR I'd port anything he really wanted because of the file name changes that I did :) |
| 23:38.11 | JeffM | tho if so that means the entire reason behind 2.4 was flawed and it's just mangement issues |
| 23:38.41 | JeffM | and that's a bit sad |
| 23:38.45 | trepan | it got people moving again, what more can you ask for? |
| 23:38.55 | BulletCatcher | Did someone fix the lag and DR problems in 2.99? |
| 23:39.08 | JeffM | oh I can ask for a lot more :) |
| 23:39.10 | trepan | revert the network buffering fixed a lot of it, afaik |
| 23:39.16 | trepan | *reverting |
| 23:39.21 | JeffM | yeah the buffering was lame |
| 23:39.39 | JeffM | that reminds me that we should break up the flag send in 2.3 into n messages |
| 23:39.45 | trepan | would have problems testing fixes, my current net link is crap (wireless point-to-point) |
| 23:40.04 | trepan | jittery as all hell |
| 23:40.23 | JeffM | well we made this 2.4 bed we can sleep in it |
| 23:40.31 | JeffM | even if we only keep it for a few months |
| 23:40.40 | JeffM | there are worse things that could happen |
| 23:41.00 | trepan | and better, but no one wants to head down that dark path yet :) |
| 23:41.47 | JeffM | they fear change |
| 23:42.58 | JeffM | but we seem to be doing fine getting people motivated and keeping them working on projects. |
| 23:43.03 | JeffM | so that's good |
| 23:43.17 | JeffM | it's not like someone said where the manager just ends up doing most of the work themselves :) |
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| 23:46.13 | yosef | why was server-side momentum added? it feels like Dune and personal shields |
| 23:46.24 | yosef | (using 2.99 alpha) |
| 23:49.49 | JeffM | it's a setting |
| 23:50.30 | yosef | is it new in 2.99? |
| 23:50.37 | JeffM | 2.0.x has it as -a |
| 23:50.48 | JeffM | it just has a different default in 2.0.x |
| 23:50.51 | yosef | ok. thanks |
| 23:51.03 | JeffM | it was moved into a variable so it coudl be changed on the fly |
| 23:51.09 | JeffM | and not require a restart |
| 23:56.24 | JeffM | blast007, do you have the most GBs? |
| 23:58.00 | KTL | improved the ranking algorithm, added a much more reliable mutation operator |