| 00:16.57 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r22056 10/trunk/bzflag/misc/ (Makefile.am bzfquery.lua): * added bzfquery.lua (requires lua5.1 and luasocket) |
| 00:17.39 | trepan | "bzfquery.lua -h" to see the options |
| 00:23.10 | trepan | hm, poorly named, the other bzfquery.xxx seem to query specific servers (fwiw, it's called "lbz" on my machine) |
| 00:25.17 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r22057 10/trunk/bzflag/misc/ (Makefile.am bzfquery.lua bzls.lua): * renamed bzfquery.lua to bzls.lua |
| 00:29.40 | trepan | ex: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/bzls_lua.png |
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| 00:44.05 | blast007 | hrm.. someone built the svn trunk and they can't stop spinning, but they also built from our 2.4.0 source tar and they said it works fine... |
| 00:44.20 | blast007 | doesn't make sense.. I don't think we changed anything except the version number, right? |
| 00:45.31 | delusional | that would be morph3us... he's on a hackintosh |
| 00:46.02 | delusional | miuse locked or something? |
| 00:46.06 | delusional | mouse |
| 00:46.42 | blast007 | no idea |
| 00:54.37 | blast007 | hadn't we turned off markers when autopilot was on? |
| 00:54.42 | blast007 | cuz it shows up :) |
| 00:58.52 | delusional | still doesnt show autopilot when players join either |
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| 00:59.10 | delusional | ntoodles |
| 00:59.13 | blast007 | I don't recall us worrying about that, delusional :) |
| 00:59.14 | delusional | gah |
| 00:59.37 | blast007 | still thinks client-side bots in general should be removed |
| 01:00.01 | blast007 | there's VERY few legitimate uses for them |
| 01:00.45 | delusional | press 9, at close range, against wings |
| 01:00.52 | delusional | works every time |
| 01:03.30 | blast007 | that's just enhancing my point ;) |
| 01:04.52 | KTL | interesting...... |
| 01:04.56 | KTL | :D |
| 01:05.33 | KTL | still wants to use bzflag one day as a playground for AI |
| 01:05.54 | KTL | (if i ever get there :( ) |
| 01:05.55 | delusional | today is some day |
| 01:09.33 | JeffM | KTL: still can do that with bzrobots |
| 01:09.51 | JeffM | I belive blast's point is that there is no place for them in every single client |
| 01:10.11 | JeffM | research can be done in a specialized client lib, and gameplay robots should be run by the server with server side players |
| 01:10.25 | JeffM | then it's the server owner that decides what bots are run on each game |
| 01:10.35 | JeffM | not every single player |
| 01:11.03 | blast007 | I hate when someone tries to -solo 20 when joining my server :P |
| 01:11.25 | JeffM | yeah it should not be the client's choice |
| 01:11.36 | JeffM | if you wanted 20 bots you'd have run 20 bots :) |
| 01:11.55 | blast007 | (or at least, the server should prevent the bots from even getting on at all when _disableBots 1 is set) |
| 01:12.08 | blast007 | instead it seems to kick them after they fully connect as tanks.. |
| 01:12.24 | JeffM | yeah cus the client dosn't read the var |
| 01:12.32 | blast007 | the server could reject them, I mean |
| 01:12.35 | JeffM | and it dosn't know they are bots untill it's done |
| 01:12.45 | JeffM | msgJoin has the type |
| 01:12.46 | blast007 | the MsgEnter has the type, no? |
| 01:12.56 | JeffM | it's the one with the name |
| 01:12.57 | blast007 | and we can reject after MsgEnter |
| 01:12.59 | JeffM | IIRC |
| 01:13.10 | blast007 | MsgEnter has the name and stuff |
| 01:13.28 | JeffM | I'd support the removal of client side bots from 2.6 |
| 01:13.46 | JeffM | or the release where we finish server side bots |
| 01:13.56 | JeffM | even if the server side bots only track there own shots |
| 01:14.59 | JeffM | tecnicaly SSPs can be finished in a 2.4 compatable version |
| 01:16.17 | BulletCatcher | A server that doesn't want bots could process only the first MsgEnter in a TCP connection and ignore/reject the rest without broadcasting. |
| 01:16.45 | KTL | i hope the server-side bots won't require server restarts |
| 01:17.06 | JeffM | KTL: restarts? |
| 01:17.09 | BulletCatcher | And if the client receives _disableBots before MsgEnter then it could honor it. |
| 01:17.13 | JeffM | what do you mean? |
| 01:17.17 | blast007 | KTL: it would be plugin based |
| 01:17.21 | KTL | ok |
| 01:17.30 | KTL | sounds good as a plugin |
| 01:17.43 | JeffM | BulletCatcher: I don;'t know when the vars are sent in relation to the joins |
| 01:17.50 | BulletCatcher | Me neither. |
| 01:17.50 | JeffM | KTL: it's all part of the API |
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| 01:19.27 | JeffM | the idea would be that the server would spawn threads for each bot and just interject the messages into its state |
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| 01:21.14 | KTL | so bots that need a lot of computation/memory or are just buggy could bring down the server |
| 01:21.34 | JeffM | they would use as much CPU as the non graphic parts of bzflag |
| 01:21.37 | JeffM | not much but some |
| 01:21.51 | JeffM | you'd thread it so it would not stall the main server thread |
| 01:21.57 | JeffM | and just to be more awesome |
| 01:22.13 | JeffM | it would not scale well if all bots shared a thread |
| 01:23.01 | KTL | it will be good |
| 01:23.07 | JeffM | if it gets finished |
| 01:23.25 | JeffM | optimaly the bot plugins could use the same API as bzrobots |
| 01:23.41 | JeffM | then they could be developed stand alone then published for server ops to use |
| 01:24.07 | JeffM | not sure if the "botcode API" is the best thing for bzflag bots |
| 01:24.19 | JeffM | I understand it has some implied rules that don't fit bz |
| 01:24.25 | JeffM | like flags and shot types |
| 01:25.07 | blast007 | bzrobots is based on robocode, right? (not the code itself, but the functionality/interface) |
| 01:25.35 | JeffM | yeah |
| 01:25.50 | JeffM | it's that interface I don't think fully fits bz |
| 01:25.56 | JeffM | it's similar |
| 01:26.08 | blast007 | robocode itself is only for 2D simulations afaik |
| 01:26.19 | JeffM | and probalby useful as a learning tool but the bots made with it probalby would not be great for playing against meatsacks |
| 01:26.20 | JeffM | yeah |
| 01:26.25 | blast007 | so I think we had to deviate a bit from robocode because of that |
| 01:26.55 | JeffM | I somewhat recall there being 2 interfaces, one for robocode and one lower level that had more bz stuff |
| 03:20.41 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03Thumper 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7804 10/w/BZFlag_2.3: Fix link to the development roadmap |
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| 03:22.36 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03Thumper 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7805 10/w/BZFlag_2.3: Fix link to BZFlag 2.4 |
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| 04:15.16 | BulletCatcher | The client sends MsgEnter and then receives MsgSetVar before sending additional MsgEnter for its solo bots. |
| 04:15.19 | BulletCatcher | We ought to be able to change the client to not add bots when they are unwanted, and also to change the server to block bots before MsgAddPlayer is sent out for them. |
| 04:19.31 | blast007 | does the client *wait* for the MsgSetVar stuff to come? or did it just happen to work that way in your test? |
| 04:19.44 | BulletCatcher | Good question. |
| 04:20.01 | blast007 | wondering if latency affects it |
| 04:20.35 | BulletCatcher | My test was to localhost, so lag was very low. |
| 04:22.51 | BulletCatcher | The client waits until it receives MsgAddPlayer before adding robots, so the lockstep is there. |
| 04:23.33 | blast007 | ok |
| 04:24.08 | BulletCatcher | I'm adding a client-side check to enteringServer() now. |
| 04:24.23 | blast007 | at some point we should review the entire connection handshake (like, for 2.6) to make sure the order of stuff makes sense |
| 04:24.32 | BulletCatcher | yup |
| 04:38.10 | BulletCatcher | Using if(!BZDB.isTrue(StateDatabase::BZDB_DISABLEBOTS)) as the conditional for the client addRobots() call makes it silently not add the robots. |
| 04:38.42 | blast007 | cool |
| 04:38.53 | BulletCatcher | A client message that robots are prohibited should make it more friendly. |
| 04:39.20 | BulletCatcher | Any reason not to commit this? |
| 04:39.34 | blast007 | nope, seems like a good idea to me |
| 04:40.28 | BulletCatcher | The server will kick older clients as before. |
| 04:40.46 | BulletCatcher | (Modding the server will be a separate commit.) |
| 04:48.39 | BulletCatcher | Before committing I need to check other code to ensure that it behaves well when numRobots is non-zero but no robots have been created. |
| 04:49.01 | BulletCatcher | There are many "for (i = 0; i < numRobots; i++)" loops. |
| 04:57.35 | blast007 | hmm |
| 04:58.14 | BulletCatcher | Need to deal with the robots[] and robotServer[] arrays. |
| 04:58.47 | blast007 | would it be easier to just do it on the server for now? |
| 04:58.57 | BulletCatcher | I think we should do both. |
| 04:58.59 | blast007 | prevent them from fully joining so they don't do the join/part spam? |
| 04:59.40 | BulletCatcher | You could look at getting the server to not send MsgAccept for solo bots. |
| 05:00.37 | BulletCatcher | Send MsgReject instead, I think. |
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| 05:32.49 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r22058 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: Create solo robots only when the server allows them. |
| 05:51.55 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03Sigonasr2 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7806 10/w/Bz_givePlayerFlag: Clarify what flagType ACTUALLY returns. |
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| 05:55.48 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r22059 10/trunk/bzflag/src/ (bzfs/bzfs.cxx game/PlayerInfo.cxx): Reject solo bots during the join process instead of kicking them when they try to spawn |
| 05:56.08 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03Sigonasr2 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7807 10/w/Bz_givePlayerFlag: Undo revision 7806 by [[Special:Contributions/Sigonasr2|Sigonasr2]] ([[User talk:Sigonasr2|Talk]]) - Accidently modified the wrong entry. Meant to modify the bzPlayerRecord. |
| 05:58.39 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03Sigonasr2 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7808 10/w/Bz_BasePlayerRecord: Clarify what currentFlag ACTUALLY returns. |
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| 09:34.32 | brad | ~bzsvn |
| 09:34.33 | ibot | it has been said that bzsvn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 09:40.28 | brad | is it still --enable-shared to configure with plugins? |
| 09:40.56 | brad | I see --enable-shared and --disable-plugins but no --enable-plugins o_o |
| 10:26.58 | Thumper_ | brad: plugins are enabled by default |
| 10:27.25 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r22060 10/trunk/db/bzfls.php: * use double quotes for all json strings (json != javascript) |
| 10:31.58 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r22061 10/trunk/db/bzfls.php: * make \n work |
| 10:53.13 | trepan | credit goes to strayer for noticing the js/json "key" disconnect |
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| 15:45.02 | BulletCatcher | brad: plugins are built by default. --enable-shared should not be needed. |
| 16:13.17 | Thumper_ | something weird is going on with the center teleporters on the olympic map (that go vertically up) |
| 16:13.31 | Thumper_ | they seem to trigger multiple teleportations when you enter |
| 16:13.46 | Thumper_ | norang.ca servers have moved to 2.4 |
| 16:14.44 | brad | thx BC & Thumper |
| 16:25.58 | delusional | when is the mac build gonna be posted to SF? |
| 16:26.27 | blast007 | when SomeOne(tm) makes it |
| 16:26.34 | blast007 | pokes Constitution |
| 16:26.42 | BulletCatcher | Probably when Constitution can take time off from fighting off the British Navy. |
| 16:26.44 | delusional | i thought he did make it. |
| 16:26.45 | Cobra_Fast | where do I obtain a server list key? |
| 16:27.02 | blast007 | Cobra_Fast: read the error message |
| 16:27.04 | blast007 | it tells you |
| 16:27.16 | blast007 | or read the upgrade docs we've linked to which also tell you where |
| 16:27.24 | Cobra_Fast | ok thanks |
| 16:27.50 | blast007 | http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFS_2.4_Upgrade |
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| 18:14.09 | blast007 | has there been teleporters wackness on other maps? the olympics one is the first one that *I've* seen with that glitch. |
| 18:40.00 | BulletCatcher | I assume that it wasn't a problem on 2.0. |
| 18:40.58 | blast007 | never saw it, no |
| 18:41.07 | blast007 | I also had something really weird on there |
| 18:41.30 | blast007 | my client got into a weird mode where my tank a bullets moved reaaaaaly slow |
| 18:41.48 | blast007 | the bullet I shot was pretty much stationary |
| 18:42.28 | blast007 | and when I rejoined, it was still borked |
| 18:42.36 | blast007 | (it was on that server too) |
| 18:43.16 | blast007 | oh, and even my self destruct timer didn't go off after 5 seconds.. |
| 18:43.36 | KTL | weird, a player went nr, i had thief, fall against him while throwing away my flag, and somehow i got killed "got shot", can't reproduce |
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| 18:44.51 | blast007 | KTL: sometimes if you are firing quickly with TH you can get a normal shot off between when your flag gets zapped and when the forced reload kicks in |
| 18:46.15 | KTL | i should have checked who shot me |
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| 19:09.16 | tupone | blast007, what is now in sf is good for me. I already commited the new ebuild. So please, don't change the tarball again :) |
| 19:10.06 | blast007 | tupone: yeah, we won't change it again. today. ;) |
| 20:22.35 | short_circuit | N/C |
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