| 00:30.45 | RAThomas | does "make" for bzflag work with -j (multithreads) for gcc? |
| 00:31.47 | RAThomas | (trying to save some time but don't want to screw up my tests) |
| 00:32.01 | blast007 | yeah |
| 00:32.20 | blast007 | I do -j5 on my quad-core, for instance |
| 00:32.31 | RAThomas | OK, using -j4 here |
| 00:32.51 | blast007 | generally you do one more than how many cores you have |
| 00:33.11 | blast007 | think it defaults to -j2 |
| 00:34.13 | RAThomas | 4 |
| 00:35.49 | blast007 | that would be a weird default.. |
| 00:44.12 | trepan | would have thought the default to be -j1 |
| 00:51.03 | RAThomas | blast007: the --host=i386... is conditional on%ifarch i386, etc, so no problem |
| 00:54.18 | blast007 | k |
| 00:55.00 | blast007 | trepan: I had *thought* I saw j2 somewhere once.. but I can't find any info about it now, of course :) |
| 00:55.12 | trepan | with no nud |
| 00:55.25 | trepan | number, -j defaults to infinity (for gmake) |
| 00:55.37 | RAThomas | OK. "make install" puts man files in /user/local/share/man, in bzflag.spec says "%define bzmandir /usr/man" |
| 00:55.38 | blast007 | hmm |
| 00:56.15 | blast007 | RAThomas: good catch :) |
| 00:58.25 | RAThomas | not sure that's all, though. "make install" puts everything in /usr/local/share. spec file wants everything in /usr, /usr/bin, /usr/share or /usr/man. |
| 00:58.33 | RAThomas | more deprecated practices? |
| 00:58.46 | blast007 | bins probably go into /usr/local/bin |
| 00:59.04 | blast007 | it's probably all under /usr/local actually |
| 00:59.37 | RAThomas | $ which bzflag |
| 00:59.38 | RAThomas | /usr/local/bin/bzflag |
| 00:59.40 | RAThomas | yep |
| 01:10.24 | RAThomas | running rpmbuild again with dir changes. Gotta cook some springs rolls in the meantime :) |
| 01:30.58 | RAThomas | man, married life. Software life at work is documents these days. Can hardly ever work on what I want to. |
| 01:31.07 | RAThomas | whines |
| 01:32.14 | RAThomas | anyway, got all the way through the rpmbuild, maybe without errors. But no rpm. Think maybe it's getting deleted. Checking on it later |
| 01:32.34 | blast007 | trepan: do you know of any licensing info for these images? http://trepan.bzflag.bz/tiles/ |
| 01:32.58 | blast007 | was hoping to move them to images.bzflag.org so that louman's maps would have textures again |
| 01:33.18 | blast007 | (and still waiting for a response from Louman) |
| 02:06.55 | trepan | all I'll remember is that they were all free to use |
| 02:07.13 | Thumper_ | that's what I remember |
| 02:07.37 | trepan | pretty sure that LouMan customized this one: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/tiles/LouManLogo.png , didn't come from me :) |
| 02:08.34 | trepan | heh, or maybe it did: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/tiles/wood_012a.png |
| 02:09.30 | trepan | the metropolis/ ones all come from LouMan, he'd know better than I about their licenses |
| 02:55.06 | RAThomas | Hrmm. The maintainer at Fedora Project has his own, distro-specific .spec file. I'll file a bug suggesting an update to 2.4... |
| 02:55.29 | RAThomas | in the meantime, I'll use his .spec to try to iron out the one in the bz source tree |
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| 04:02.35 | BulletCatcher | I have been in contact with Fedora's nphilipp about getting an official 2.4.0 RPM built. |
| 04:02.37 | BulletCatcher | It probably won't help much if other people engage him too. |
| 04:06.31 | BulletCatcher | According to distrowatch.com, the top 5 Linux distros are (descending order): Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, Debian, openSUSE. |
| 04:07.22 | BulletCatcher | Mint is based on Ubuntu. |
| 04:09.31 | BulletCatcher | If we can get 2.4.0 Ubuntu/Debian that will cover a significant portion of the Linux players. |
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| 09:01.09 | Tuxist | first screenshoot http://tuxist.de/files/bzfi0001.png |
| 09:02.57 | Tuxist | http://tuxist.de/files/bzfi0002.png |
| 09:03.37 | Flash | you blew up the wall? |
| 09:05.13 | Tuxist | no i works displacment support |
| 09:24.11 | delusional | explain |
| 09:26.05 | Tuxist | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Displacement_mapping |
| 09:27.41 | delusional | ah, you can see it in the stone wall, not so much in the brick wall |
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| 09:35.29 | Chr1s | Blast, i'm still banned on missilewar |
| 09:35.33 | Chr1s | can you unban me |
| 09:36.07 | Chr1s | REFUSED:tobylane is banned from this server. Contact blast on bla bla bla bla.org |
| 09:36.46 | Chr1s | 3rd time i've asked you |
| 09:36.58 | Chr1s | .. |
| 09:37.15 | Tuxist | now i work on shader for the gras |
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| 10:00.30 | blast007 | Chr1s: no. |
| 10:01.11 | Chr1s | why? |
| 10:02.21 | Chr1s | I'm not tobylane, why should I be banned? |
| 10:02.29 | Chr1s | seriously.. |
| 10:02.55 | blast007 | didn't say you were. |
| 10:03.44 | Chr1s | Look you can be as blunt as you want but you could at least explain why I can't be unbanned lol |
| 10:06.28 | Chr1s | Wow I make the effort and you don't even try or explain to me, not very friendly. |
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| 12:29.21 | RAThomas | heh, I headed over to #fedora-games to track down nphillip and happened to see BulletCatcher over there too! |
| 12:30.37 | blast007 | RAThomas: BulletCatcher is working with him |
| 12:30.45 | blast007 | :) |
| 12:31.19 | RAThomas | OK. I guess my work here is done! |
| 12:31.23 | blast007 | hehe |
| 12:31.23 | RAThomas | scratches head |
| 13:32.41 | joevano | blast007: you meanie |
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| 14:02.19 | blast007 | ;) |
| 14:20.07 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: you can try it now |
| 14:20.27 | blast007 | added you to my group |
| 14:22.14 | BulletCatcher | Thanks. |
| 14:22.44 | RAThomas | So, BulletCatcher... looks like you got nphillip all lined out? |
| 14:23.09 | RAThomas | has still been having fun learning about build specs |
| 14:24.00 | BulletCatcher | I think so. I first contacted him a couple of days ago. |
| 14:28.23 | RAThomas | BulletCatcher: did you fix his bzflag.spec already? |
| 14:28.39 | BulletCatcher | I gave him the needed changes. |
| 14:28.58 | RAThomas | cool |
| 14:29.31 | BulletCatcher | One you may have not found for yourself is to replace the --disable-static and --enable-shared configure options with --libdir=%{_libdir}/%{name} . |
| 14:30.05 | BulletCatcher | Also, the "rm -f %{buildroot}%{_mandir}/*/bzfquery.*" line is no longer needed. |
| 14:32.23 | RAThomas | thanks. I ditched the modular_x conditional here, as ssuggested |
| 14:34.17 | RAThomas | I was interested in this because I'm having to make/maintain some build spec files at work these days. Every excuse to brush up... ;) |
| 14:34.42 | blast007 | :) |
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| 15:03.11 | BulletCatcher | I can confirm War Pig's report that the /flaghistory command output is truncated at 26 characters. |
| 15:03.12 | BulletCatcher | It is probably a server fix, so will easily go into 2.4.2. |
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| 15:25.14 | quantumdot | brad ping |
| 15:25.37 | brad | ponh |
| 15:25.38 | brad | g |
| 15:25.41 | quantumdot | hey |
| 15:25.44 | brad | hey qd |
| 15:25.50 | quantumdot | where is the replay server now? |
| 15:26.02 | quantumdot | i cant find the match nth was pointing at |
| 15:26.15 | brad | oh it's on 2.4 now :) |
| 15:26.20 | brad | ooooops :D |
| 15:26.26 | quantumdot | 5159 with the new bzfs but cant find the match |
| 15:26.30 | quantumdot | only one on record |
| 15:26.32 | brad | OH! right |
| 15:26.43 | brad | I moved all old recordings to somewhere else |
| 15:26.49 | quantumdot | any link? |
| 15:26.50 | brad | sorry, I'll grab that one back |
| 15:26.55 | quantumdot | ok thx |
| 15:27.04 | quantumdot | it will be VERY usful |
| 15:27.05 | brad | can't do right now, will be going home in an hour |
| 15:27.09 | quantumdot | ok |
| 15:27.18 | quantumdot | i'll watch tonite, thx |
| 15:27.26 | brad | alright, cheers |
| 15:28.15 | brad | there was nearly 5GB of recordings in that folder.. |
| 15:28.30 | quantumdot | that is because we are inactive :) |
| 15:28.44 | brad | heh |
| 15:28.53 | brad | should be 50GB?? ;) |
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| 15:29.05 | quantumdot | maybe, in the good times |
| 15:29.14 | brad | yeah.. |
| 15:29.25 | quantumdot | nice thing disk space is cheap nowadays |
| 15:29.43 | brad | indeed..no more worrying about that |
| 15:30.08 | quantumdot | wasn't there a web to download matches in the past? |
| 15:30.16 | quantumdot | to watch locally |
| 15:30.19 | brad | PM |
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| 18:26.01 | Thumper_ | 2.4 player comment: GaShnerk: To whoever reads these - I don't like the new wings setings... |
| 18:26.40 | Thumper_ | they'll just have to adapt :) |
| 18:27.02 | Thumper_ | evolution applied to bzflag |
| 18:27.13 | blast007 | they also didn't like the wings settings on my metropolis server in 2.0.x ;) that just let me know I had it set right |
| 18:27.23 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 18:27.50 | blast007 | "they" as in the players, not GaShnerk specifically :) |
| 18:28.01 | Thumper_ | I'm pretty sure he's referring to the flap change from 2.0.x in this case |
| 18:28.13 | blast007 | yeah, I know |
| 18:28.31 | Thumper_ | I can fix that... |
| 18:28.33 | Thumper_ | pulls WG from the map |
| 18:28.36 | blast007 | just another example of them not liking changes to their special flag ;) |
| 18:29.01 | Thumper_ | foxburrow: soon to be BZnoFlag |
| 18:30.09 | Thumper_ | they players will eventually adapt or boycott. When will we know if we survive the 2.4 upgrade? :) |
| 18:33.15 | blast007 | when there's 50+ players on 2.4 at the same time ;) |
| 18:33.24 | Erroneous | WG is very different. it doesn't surprise me that people who were used to the old mechanics don't like it. |
| 18:34.25 | allejo | blast007: and how long do you predict that will take? |
| 18:34.46 | blast007 | dunno, I haven't been watching the counts :) |
| 18:35.11 | Erroneous | the new mechanics are closer to the original intent of the flag. some of the "feel" can be changed by altering server settings, some can't. |
| 18:35.55 | blast007 | allejo: it'll probably get that way once I turn on the auto-update notification for Windows clients |
| 18:36.55 | allejo | blast007: you have an auto-update feature? o.o |
| 18:37.00 | Erroneous | heh |
| 18:37.19 | blast007 | it doesn't force them to update, but it will nag them at every launch of the 2.0.x client |
| 18:37.36 | blast007 | and then it can download the new installer and run it automatically if they choose to upgrade |
| 18:38.14 | blast007 | Erroneous: am I right in thinking that it will keep nagging them on the 2.0.x client even after they install the new version? |
| 18:38.23 | allejo | ahhh nagging people to update is the way to go |
| 18:39.38 | Erroneous | yup |
| 18:39.44 | Erroneous | until the MOTD is pulled |
| 18:40.09 | Thumper_ | any reason not to just turn it on and pull the MOTD in 3 weeks? |
| 18:40.10 | Erroneous | or they turn off MOTDs altogether out of frustration ;) |
| 18:40.58 | blast007 | Thumper_: I was gonna wait a bit longer for more servers to upgrade |
| 18:41.06 | Erroneous | Thumper_: that was the original idea; push the upgrade, let it sit for a month or so, then change it to a standard MOTD |
| 18:41.11 | Thumper_ | if the players leave the servers will upgrade :) |
| 18:41.42 | Thumper_ | a little bit of a chicken and egg problem... |
| 18:43.08 | Thumper_ | part of the issue is we don't know (do we) if 2.0.x server operators even know about the upgrade yet |
| 18:43.09 | blast007 | right not there's 131 2.4 servers and 157 2.0 servers |
| 18:43.30 | Thumper_ | so we could be waiting a long time for the rest to upgrade |
| 18:44.11 | blast007 | ... and then three servers running various versions of 2.3 :) |
| 18:45.48 | blast007 | a good number of the ones still on 2.0 are related to the leagues |
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| 18:46.13 | Thumper_ | wonders if they know the recordings between 2.0.x and 2.4 are incompatible |
| 18:46.27 | blast007 | they do |
| 18:46.46 | blast007 | or at least some of them know |
| 18:46.51 | allejo | not the current topic, but a plugin can't make a tank zoned, right? |
| 18:47.01 | blast007 | allejo: right |
| 18:47.06 | blast007 | I think it's handled client-side yet |
| 18:47.54 | Pimpinella | i wouldn't be surprised if a good bunch of servers will never upgrade |
| 18:48.06 | allejo | and change shot type didn't get backported to 2.4, right? |
| 18:48.25 | blast007 | allejo: custom flags got backported |
| 18:48.36 | blast007 | not sure how that works though |
| 18:48.41 | Pimpinella | abandoned and/or poorly maintained servers |
| 18:48.52 | blast007 | Pimpinella: the 1.10 servers are all gone |
| 18:49.09 | blast007 | sure, some will hang around for a long time |
| 18:49.15 | blast007 | but not forever :) |
| 18:49.22 | McSpider | allejo, you can set if its SB or not but thats about all afik |
| 18:49.31 | Pimpinella | 1.10 is - how long - seven or eight years ago ? |
| 18:49.43 | blast007 | plus if they are poorly maintained, they probably won't restart them after we move the list server to a new IP, thus they won't be on the list anymore ;) |
| 18:49.54 | allejo | McSpider: alright thanks |
| 18:50.10 | blast007 | yeah, but how long ago was the last 1.10 server run? :) |
| 18:50.35 | Pimpinella | at least 3 years i thinkl |
| 18:50.49 | blast007 | so, yeah, we'll see |
| 18:51.07 | Pimpinella | i checked years after 2.0 release and there was one left |
| 18:51.16 | blast007 | we're going to move the *.bzflag.org stuff to a new server |
| 18:51.26 | blast007 | and 2.0.x bzfs caches the IP of the list server forever |
| 18:51.37 | blast007 | so without a restart, it will keep trying to talk to the old server |
| 18:51.58 | allejo | will 2.4 servers have to restart? |
| 18:52.01 | blast007 | no |
| 18:52.07 | blast007 | we fixed that before the release ;) |
| 18:52.10 | blast007 | (hopefully) |
| 18:53.00 | blast007 | can't remember how much I tested that |
| 18:54.41 | allejo | so just cross your fingers and hope for the best? |
| 18:57.29 | blast007 | :) |
| 19:01.00 | RAThomas | wondering out loud... can the list server be made to ignore 2.0 servers (beyond the IP change)? |
| 19:01.06 | RAThomas | and would that be desirable? |
| 19:07.08 | blast007 | it could, but that would not be desirable |
| 19:07.18 | blast007 | there are some reasons to keep 2.0 servers on the list |
| 19:07.26 | blast007 | replay servers, for one |
| 19:07.37 | blast007 | a 2.4 replay server cannot play replays from a 2.0 server |
| 19:07.54 | blast007 | since our replay system is essentially a recording of the network packets :) |
| 19:31.06 | JeffM_ | we even provide listing services for 1.7 |
| 19:31.42 | JeffM_ | at some point we should look into a more generic simulation serialization for recordings |
| 19:31.51 | JeffM_ | but probalby not untill sim gets moved server side |
| 19:33.05 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7810 10/w/Development_RoadMap: /* 3.4 */ |
| 19:34.15 | JeffM_ | Thumper_, so there are server owners out there that don't play and don't read the forums? |
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| 19:46.37 | joevano | JeffM_: most certainly, though the more popular servers/networks are and can be encouraged to switch |
| 19:47.00 | JeffM_ | joevano, then are those not great servers if they don't pay attention to anything the community does? |
| 19:47.08 | joevano | Cods ran a server for a long time without playing for at least a year IIRC |
| 19:47.15 | JeffM_ | who admined it? |
| 19:47.27 | JeffM_ | how did he know if there were problems? |
| 19:47.48 | joevano | me and any of his other admins that were around |
| 19:48.07 | JeffM_ | but what if there were problems on the system? did you have contact info for him? |
| 19:48.16 | cods | who ? :) |
| 19:48.22 | joevano | it hasn't been on the list for a while so maybe it is having problems... don't know ;-) |
| 19:48.34 | joevano | you... |
| 19:49.07 | cods | Thumper is running my map. I don't run any server anymore. |
| 19:52.47 | blast007 | then that one is probably already on 2.4 ;) |
| 19:58.29 | RAThomas | blast007: "since our replay system..." |
| 19:58.38 | RAThomas | isn't that what tcpreplay is for? ;) |
| 19:58.57 | blast007 | not quite ;) |
| 19:59.05 | JeffM_ | the replay system stores packets |
| 19:59.08 | RAThomas | OK, wouldn't quite work |
| 19:59.15 | JeffM_ | and just feeds them back out to the users |
| 19:59.32 | blast007 | JeffM_: I'm assuming tcpreplay does that too ;) |
| 19:59.34 | JeffM_ | since the recording used a different layout in the packet data the new clients can't read the old clients |
| 19:59.38 | JeffM_ | they all do |
| 19:59.42 | RAThomas | tcpreplay is a bit too low level, I suppose |
| 19:59.48 | JeffM_ | they both are |
| 19:59.59 | JeffM_ | but they require little to no maintenance on our part |
| 20:00.12 | JeffM_ | we can change packing code and it still works |
| 20:01.59 | RAThomas | uses tcpreplay to playback real radar data... since they won't buy me my own radar ;) |
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| 20:13.18 | randomparticle | there's another program with the name tcprelay |
| 20:32.57 | RAThomas | randomparticle: only one that I know of |
| 20:33.27 | RAThomas | http://tcpreplay.synfin.net/ |
| 20:34.05 | RAThomas | Hrm, you said "relay" |
| 20:34.50 | randomparticle | oh, i misread it as that |
| 20:35.27 | randomparticle | i do have some glasses, but i never wear them. my theory is it makes the eyes grow weak |
| 20:35.54 | RAThomas | that's what my (good) eye doctor kinda said |
| 20:37.04 | RAThomas | was prescribed glasses at 17 years old to correct a little nearsighted-ness. Haven't worn glasses since 20 years old. Don't really need much correction. |
| 20:37.32 | RAThomas | lesson learned: don't go to an eye doctor who also sells glasses (bad) |
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| 21:30.54 | JeffM_ | we built this city on rock and roll..... |
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| 22:03.31 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 22:04.44 | blast007 | I only count 23 players on 2.4, so I think ibot needs an update to read the new hex string format ;) |
| 22:05.04 | TimRiker | could be |
| 22:06.03 | TimRiker | didn't get the debian build pushed out last night, and probably won't tonight either. That means tuesday next week most likely as I'm on the road this weekend. |
| 22:06.56 | blast007 | ok |
| 22:22.26 | delusional | start killing some 2.0 servers, and that number will go up. |
| 22:22.55 | delusional | ... won't reach 240 |
| 22:32.39 | blast007 | looks like our c-ares detection in configure still needs some work: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=157864#p157864 |
| 22:32.50 | blast007 | that was the same thing hwilde had |
| 22:33.13 | blast007 | this user forced the build, but still couldn't connect - had to also force the curl build |
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| 23:00.53 | JeffM | totaly never thought to go to the bzflag forums for his used iphone 4 shoping |
| 23:09.34 | blast007 | shack store, not to be confused with radio shack or bill's shack full of phones |
| 23:10.47 | JeffM | when was a "shack' ever a quality establishment |
| 23:11.08 | JeffM | dosn't "shack" imply crappiness by defininition? |
| 23:11.40 | blast007 | what about 'hut' ? would you want pizza that was from a hut? :) |
| 23:12.17 | JeffM | not really, huts have dirt floors |
| 23:12.31 | McSpider | All the germans think that its pizza hat :) |
| 23:12.48 | JeffM | that would be warm and gooky |
| 23:14.53 | Thumper_ | you won't need hair gel after that |
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