| 00:02.06 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03Mightyhyein 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7811 10/w/Main_Page: /* General Information */ |
| 00:03.50 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7812 10/w/Main_Page: Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/Mightyhyein|Mightyhyein]] ([[User talk:Mightyhyein|Talk]]); changed back to last version by [[User:JeffM2501|JeffM2501]] |
| 00:04.16 | BulletCatcher | He was just being friendly! |
| 00:04.27 | JeffM_ | I guess |
| 00:12.43 | blast007 | heh |
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| 01:23.12 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: has there been anything special you need to install to build BZFlag on Fedora? Someone is getting this: |
| 01:23.20 | blast007 | platform/.libs/libPlatform.a(XWindow.o): undefined reference to symbol 'XGetWindowAttributes' |
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| 01:29.32 | blast007 | d3adduck: if you have more of the output surrounding that link error (like the build commands that triggered it) throw them into a pastebin somewhere and post the link here |
| 01:29.36 | blast007 | ~pastebin |
| 01:29.36 | ibot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. |
| 01:35.28 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: http://pastebin.com/f1SbaeZr |
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| 02:16.57 | trepan | well look at that, more players on 2.4 than 2.0 |
| 02:24.26 | JeffM | time to move services then :) |
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| 03:28.51 | BulletCatcher | As noted in the README.Linux file, on Fedora a "yum install SDL-devel curl-devel ncurses-devel" should provide all of the needed dependencies. |
| 03:29.12 | BulletCatcher | My guess is that d3adduck does not have SDL-devel installed. |
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| 03:32.36 | Supra7 | blast007: you around? |
| 03:33.10 | Supra7 | one of your brilliant admins gave me a 90 day ban just for making a "gay" reference ... once... no argument or causing an argument |
| 03:33.19 | Supra7 | well a general ban |
| 03:33.29 | Supra7 | i came back and told him what i thought and he gave me a 90 day ban. |
| 03:33.54 | Supra7 | whatever happened to giving a person a warning? |
| 03:34.45 | Supra7 | when i came back i even apologized for offending him because i meant nothing by it... then he gave me a 90 day ban. |
| 03:35.03 | Supra7 | totally not a way to admin a server. |
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| 04:08.13 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/servers.txt -- would an owner with 100 be too many? |
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| 04:29.32 | bryjen | if they were all hosted on the same dsl line, yes ;) |
| 05:34.17 | short_circuit | Geeez Comcast is having severe issues in the Houston Metro area. For the last 2 days or more. |
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| 14:18.51 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: he did install those packages |
| 14:19.08 | blast007 | prior to that he was getting errors that OpenGL and SDL was not available |
| 14:20.14 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: < d3adduck> got 2.4 up amd now testing. i had to add -lX11 to LIB_FLAGS in the sdl.m4 file. |
| 14:20.53 | blast007 | he's on Fedora 14 if that matters |
| 14:21.13 | BulletCatcher | That's what I use, too. |
| 14:21.38 | blast007 | k |
| 14:22.32 | BulletCatcher | A pastebin of the entire configure output would help. |
| 14:22.56 | blast007 | I only have one prior to him installing those packages |
| 14:23.42 | BulletCatcher | That may be good enough. |
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| 14:33.14 | Supra7 | blast007: you in? |
| 14:34.18 | blast007 | Supra7: yes |
| 14:34.28 | blast007 | and I saw your message |
| 14:34.36 | blast007 | was this on 2.4 or 2.0? |
| 14:34.46 | Supra7 | 2.4 |
| 14:35.12 | Supra7 | Sorry for getting upset with your partner swigg. |
| 14:40.02 | delusional | wierd using spam time of set variable: _mirror = none |
| 14:42.21 | blast007 | delusional: your config is probably just messed up. Check for where your -st is and see what is after that |
| 14:42.50 | blast007 | er, no, wrong option |
| 14:43.12 | blast007 | check what's after -spamtime |
| 14:44.36 | delusional | I do not see anything weird in the conf at -spamtime or set _mirror |
| 14:45.07 | trepan | missing a '-' ? |
| 14:46.44 | delusional | no |
| 14:50.44 | delusional | yeah, this is weird, it doesnt happen every time... or happens differently in 2 successive startups..... http://paste2.org/p/1512530 |
| 14:52.01 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r22066 10/trunk/bzflag/README.Linux: FTGL is not a requirement for 2.4 |
| 14:54.34 | KTL | when i run the svn client in bash, then i quit, the history doesnt show that command as the previous one, maybe something wrong with the exit code? |
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| 14:55.45 | blast007 | KTL: maybe you had the stealth flag |
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| 14:56.11 | KTL | without even having to login to a server |
| 14:56.22 | KTL | bzjokes. |
| 14:56.23 | blast007 | hax :P |
| 15:12.01 | KTL | what is a proper return value for BZF_PLUGIN_CALL int bz_GetMinVersion ( void ); ? |
| 15:12.46 | blast007 | are you even reading the upgrade guide? |
| 15:12.53 | KTL | scanning :) |
| 15:13.17 | blast007 | http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFS_API_2.4_Upgrade read it. really. |
| 15:13.22 | I_Died_Once | 4.2!! |
| 15:13.26 | blast007 | heck, we even have a quick set of steps at the bottom |
| 15:13.35 | blast007 | that will cover most of the changes |
| 15:13.47 | KTL | an int |
| 15:14.00 | KTL | 4.2 is a float |
| 15:14.04 | KTL | 42 is not 4.2 |
| 15:14.23 | blast007 | "Open the main file for the plug-in and remove the call to BZ_GET_PLUGIN_VERSION" :P |
| 15:14.30 | KTL | ok ok ok don't mind never mind :) |
| 15:14.55 | blast007 | nvm, wrong line anyway |
| 15:15.17 | blast007 | but yeah, read that page |
| 15:20.43 | KTL | mmm i guess i'm at the end of the self-made-Makefile-without-a-.def-file here ... |
| 15:21.42 | delusional | if the key is created with the IP address of your server, you have to use the IP address in the conf. if you use a dynamic domain to make the key.. use that in the conf with the key |
| 15:30.12 | joevano | well moving the wiki is taking longer than anticipated due to PHP and mediawiki version issues between the two servers, looking for an inbetween version of mediawiki that is version compatible on the two servers |
| 15:30.46 | joevano | between php 5.2.1 and 5.3 |
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| 15:42.13 | joevano | working on upgrading current wiki to latest release that works with php 5.2.1 and then I will give it another go |
| 15:55.07 | blast007 | I'll see about moving the image site and the main site over sometime today if possible |
| 15:55.28 | blast007 | both should be pretty easy |
| 15:56.47 | blast007 | what should we do with regards to the stats site? |
| 15:57.16 | blast007 | it can't query 2.4 servers |
| 15:57.34 | blast007 | wonder how many other things depend on it |
| 16:01.02 | joevano | i wonder that as well |
| 16:02.41 | joevano | hard to believe that our documentation on how all this goes together is lacking ;-) |
| 16:03.12 | blast007 | well, I mean 3rd party sites, since we have an XML/RSS feed |
| 16:03.43 | blast007 | none of our internal stuff depends on the stats site afaik |
| 16:05.15 | joevano | can't be many 3rd party sites that do |
| 16:05.35 | blast007 | I know one that does - mine ;) |
| 16:05.40 | joevano | upgrade of wiki done... now to transfer it again |
| 16:05.43 | joevano | hehe |
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| 17:09.51 | delusional | does it take a couple hours for a newly created key to become active? |
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| 17:47.34 | JeffM | nope |
| 17:47.44 | JeffM | they get put into the db right when you do it |
| 17:50.28 | JeffM | did you get the IP/hostname right? |
| 17:53.00 | KTL | maybe ... i created another key for the same ip, might it have invalidated the one from delusional ? |
| 17:54.06 | delusional | naah, theres several keys for that IP now, panzer,shadowone, I_D_O., me...you |
| 18:15.42 | JeffM | I belive it looks up the key then compares it to the IP |
| 18:15.52 | JeffM | so multiple keys should be able to reference the same IP |
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| 18:19.23 | delusional | -publicaddr a-delusion.no-ip.org looks like this does not work.... |
| 18:19.35 | delusional | -publicaddr a-delusion.no-ip.org:4050 but this does |
| 18:20.33 | JeffM | odd |
| 18:26.10 | KTL | i can't figure out how to build plugins outside the bzflag source-tree, with a minimalist Makefile. the main problem seems to be the content of the .def-file, somehow the plugin should have the bz_getPlugin symbol |
| 18:26.28 | KTL | (i don't have a .def-file) |
| 18:28.30 | KTL | mmm ... i implemented at bz_GetPlugin myself ... curious ... |
| 18:30.34 | JeffM | on what OS? |
| 18:31.01 | KTL | linux |
| 18:31.13 | KTL | that is where you drop out i'm afraid |
| 18:31.20 | JeffM | I thought linux didn't do exports |
| 18:31.24 | JeffM | so why would it need a def? |
| 18:31.33 | JeffM | the .def we ship now is for windows |
| 18:31.57 | KTL | it is the only mention of bz_GetPlugin in the other plugins i found |
| 18:31.59 | JeffM | all it should need on linux is the headers then the rest will runtime link with bzfs |
| 18:32.15 | JeffM | yes it's handled by a macro |
| 18:32.21 | JeffM | so the plugins don't really have it |
| 18:33.11 | JeffM | the compiler expands the macro from the API header into the main plugin cpp file and that makes a bz_GetPlugin that registers an object of the passed in type |
| 18:33.16 | KTL | shouldnt just linking against the correct headers give that macro? |
| 18:33.24 | JeffM | including them yes, |
| 18:33.32 | JeffM | linking is a different thing |
| 18:33.36 | JeffM | what error do you get? |
| 18:33.52 | KTL | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.14 | KTL | (the error msg is probably still outdated) |
| 18:34.16 | JeffM | hmm well there is a bug in bz ;) |
| 18:34.17 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:34.51 | JeffM | do you have a line like this in your plugin file? BZ_PLUGIN(SAMPLE_PLUGIN) |
| 18:35.06 | JeffM | where SAMPLE_PLUGIN is replaced with your plugin class |
| 18:35.20 | KTL | not yet |
| 18:35.27 | JeffM | that is your problem |
| 18:35.37 | JeffM | that defines all the entry points, all 3 |
| 18:35.39 | KTL | :) thanks :) |
| 18:36.13 | JeffM | if you don't have that then you have to do your own bz_GetPlugin, bz_FreePlugin, and bz_GetMinVersion |
| 18:36.34 | JeffM | they are almost always the same for every single plugin, hence the macro |
| 18:37.04 | JeffM | bassicly you are trying to load a 2.0 plugin into 2.4 and it's not working, has nothing to do with your build system :) |
| 18:38.45 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r22067 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsPlugins.cxx: we don't look for bz_Load anymore it's all bz_GetPlugin so make the error message on linux be correct. |
| 18:39.01 | KTL | both plugins load :) |
| 18:39.14 | JeffM | good |
| 18:39.28 | JeffM | yeah the def file is just for MSVC to tell it what 3 functions to export |
| 18:39.41 | JeffM | since it dosn't put all functions into the global scope by default |
| 18:40.39 | KTL | soon i will have to work on windows and need to know that kind of things |
| 18:41.32 | JeffM | it's generaly only an issue when you load native DLLs |
| 18:42.17 | JeffM | you can also put an export macro in front of the funciton or class in the code, thats what you do when you have a lot of functions, like we did for the API |
| 18:42.22 | JeffM | that's what that BZ_API macro is |
| 18:42.48 | JeffM | but for plugins we didn't want to have to have people remember to code it so the def file can just be included since it's always the same 3 functions |
| 18:43.05 | JeffM | if you deal with .net dlls then there is none of this sillyness |
| 18:43.13 | JeffM | public means plubic :) |
| 18:43.22 | JeffM | public even |
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| 19:15.18 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03Allejo 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7813 10/w/Event(API): updated info for the 2.4 PAI |
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| 19:17.21 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03Allejo 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7814 10/w/Bz_Load: edited the example |
| 19:22.08 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03Allejo 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7815 10/w/Event(API): updated info for the 2.4 PAI |
| 19:23.21 | allejo | woops PAI... :| |
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| 19:32.02 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03Allejo 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7816 10/w/Event(API): Added events from the 2.4 API |
| 19:35.20 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03Allejo 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7817 10/w/Init: Added some information on the new plugin loading for 2.4 |
| 19:39.17 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03Allejo 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7818 10/w/Cleanup: added some info on how the unloading part of a plugin works for 2.4 |
| 19:41.54 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03Allejo 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7819 10/w/Cleanup: add info about Flush() |
| 19:42.18 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03Allejo 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7820 10/w/Cleanup: fixed typo |
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| 20:12.53 | joevano | gah... need to move the wiki db again ;-) |
| 20:28.30 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03DonnyBaker 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r7813 10/User:DonnyBaker: Test CIA from the new wiki server |
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| 20:31.16 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 0371.193.108.171 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r7814 10/User:DonnyBaker: Test of anonymous edit |
| 20:33.12 | joevano | alright testing of the moved wiki seems good. all extensions seem to be working as expected (now)... final db move then going to work on redirects |
| 20:45.36 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03DonnyBaker 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7821 10/w/Main_Page: Temporary message about move while redirects are set up |
| 20:49.28 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03DonnyBaker 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7822 10/w/Main_Page: |
| 20:54.57 | joevano | can someone else try out my redirect from my.bzflag.org/w that it redirects them to wiki.bzflag.org correctly |
| 20:58.49 | KTL | works for me :) |
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| 21:00.41 | KTL | on firefox as well as on chromium |
| 21:05.15 | joevano | thanks KTL |
| 21:07.08 | KTL | hopes that "forum.bzflag.org" might get in use one day too |
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| 21:16.25 | JeffM | ok, new wiki... hell of a lot more peppy then the old wiki |
| 21:21.08 | JeffM | blast007, you have sudo on .bz? |
| 21:22.15 | KTL | belize vs battlezone ... |
| 21:22.17 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r7821 10/Development_RoadMap: we only need to fix the radar tank once. |
| 21:22.36 | JeffM | bzflag.bz is the server that is currently hosing the list server |
| 21:26.13 | joevano | KTL: soon, soon |
| 21:27.03 | JeffM | so what's next to move over? can we do mainsite with masterban and motd in one shot? |
| 21:27.09 | JeffM | I don't think that needs list or auth |
| 21:27.45 | joevano | in fact I think blast said some more of the sites may movve today... don't recall if the forum was included in that though |
| 21:27.58 | JeffM | if he does forum then that's list too |
| 21:28.06 | JeffM | so that's the entire shebang |
| 21:28.12 | JeffM | didn't think he was ready for that |
| 21:28.17 | JeffM | but if so, great |
| 21:28.24 | joevano | main site I know was one he talked about.. just can't find where he talked to me about it :-P |
| 21:28.28 | JeffM | heh |
| 21:28.54 | JeffM | I mean you've already shown that the old server is the issue, I was told that the wiki was a "pig" and would be that slow everywhere |
| 21:29.01 | JeffM | but it's a lot faster now |
| 21:30.28 | JeffM | if the list and forums slow it down too much I'll buy a VPS just for those |
| 21:31.47 | joevano | once everything is moved, we going to oint my.bzflag.org at the new server as well so we can serve up permanent redirects? |
| 21:33.11 | JeffM | yeah, I expect to take all bzflag.org domains from .bz to the new server |
| 21:33.14 | joevano | s/oint/point/ |
| 21:33.36 | JeffM | onced it's all done |
| 21:35.08 | joevano | lol |
| 21:35.55 | joevano | ah here it is: -11:55:03- : blast007+: I'll see about moving the image site and the main site over sometime today if possible |
| 21:36.18 | joevano | so no forum... yet |
| 21:36.40 | JeffM | yeaht those use external auth |
| 21:37.31 | JeffM | tho I don't have a bzflag.org domain for the main site yet, just http://www.bzflag.opencombat.net/ |
| 21:39.06 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03DonnyBaker 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r7822 10/User:DonnyBaker: |
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| 21:55.16 | blast007 | JeffM / joevano: Yeah, wasn't planning on doing the forum today - just i.b.o and the main site |
| 21:55.40 | blast007 | the stats site might talk to the list server database directly too, can't remember |
| 21:57.43 | JeffM | do you even want to keep the stats site? |
| 21:57.59 | JeffM | we could just direct people to strayer until we get push stats up |
| 21:58.12 | KTL | my score of 900 on badgerking is there and only there! |
| 21:58.12 | blast007 | yeah, that was my thought |
| 21:58.16 | KTL | :D |
| 21:58.20 | blast007 | since we can't even query 2.4 servers right now |
| 21:58.27 | JeffM | yeah |
| 21:58.28 | blast007 | and I don't intend to fix up that perl script |
| 21:58.33 | JeffM | then we can fully remove my |
| 21:58.39 | JeffM | or just fill it with redirects |
| 21:58.40 | blast007 | we use a perl module to populate data for a PHP site ;) |
| 21:58.56 | JeffM | noodleman was an odd one |
| 21:59.09 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03Joevano 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r0 10/User:DonnyBaker: 684 edits. Reason: Name retired |
| 21:59.19 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03Joevano 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r0 10/User:DonnyBaker: Automatically moved page while renaming the user "[[User:DonnyBaker|DonnyBaker]]" to "[[User:Joevano|Joevano]]" |
| 22:01.52 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03Skilland dude 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r0 10/User:Skilland_dude: |
| 22:03.14 | blast007 | JeffM: the wiki would be slow on *memory constrained* servers :) |
| 22:03.30 | blast007 | since each page load sucks up like 70MB of RAM |
| 22:03.50 | blast007 | so on .bz when we were hitting swap, that really killed it |
| 22:03.53 | KTL | how is that possible?? |
| 22:04.00 | KTL | 70MB? |
| 22:04.03 | blast007 | KTL: poor coding? :) |
| 22:04.09 | blast007 | it's mediawiki |
| 22:04.30 | KTL | has wikimedia the same issue?? |
| 22:04.31 | blast007 | so they design it for a cluster of servers that's behind dozens of load balancers and caches ;) |
| 22:04.34 | KTL | wikipedia |
| 22:04.39 | KTL | ah ... |
| 22:05.03 | blast007 | http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_servers |
| 22:05.42 | KTL | a simple cache in between should help a lot |
| 22:05.57 | KTL | vaguely remembers the term "squidproxy" |
| 22:13.52 | JeffM | we can move to another wiki if it's desired, just need to be able to pull an import |
| 22:17.47 | blast007 | yeah |
| 22:17.57 | blast007 | we'll see how it goes |
| 22:21.58 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r22068 10/trunk/bzflag/package/win32/nsis/copying.rtf: pick a better font. |
| 22:23.54 | blast007 | JeffM: yeah, noticed that font looked like crap on 7. Worked fine on XP though. |
| 22:24.10 | JeffM | yeah it was set to arialMT, dosn't convert well |
| 22:24.13 | JeffM | it's normal arial now |
| 22:24.16 | blast007 | k |
| 22:24.18 | JeffM | should be fine on em all |
| 22:24.23 | blast007 | yeah |
| 22:29.37 | blast007 | joevano: do we for sure want the wiki at the root directory? |
| 22:29.51 | JeffM | why would we not? |
| 22:30.17 | blast007 | http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_in_site_root_directory#Reasons_why_putting_wiki_pages_in_the_root_directory_of_the_web_site_is_bad |
| 22:30.49 | JeffM | do we care about robots? |
| 22:31.01 | JeffM | I'd think we'd WANT them to scrape the wiki |
| 22:31.32 | blast007 | what they are saying there is that if not set up right, it'll hit a wiki page named 'Robots.txt' if not set up right |
| 22:31.40 | blast007 | which ours does seem to handle properly (it gives a 404) |
| 22:31.43 | JeffM | yeah |
| 22:31.57 | JeffM | I know joe was on the fence about it |
| 22:32.09 | JeffM | I said the reasons they give are less important to is IMHO |
| 22:32.13 | JeffM | so he went for it |
| 22:32.16 | blast007 | k |
| 22:32.25 | JeffM | so he is aware of the issues for sure |
| 22:42.19 | KTL | maybe with virtual hosts and something like wikidata.bzflag.org |
| 22:44.56 | blast007 | it should be fine |
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