IRC log for #bzflag on 20110801

00:01.20brad0AFAIK almost all of the higher end smartphones have some sort of an SSH client option available.
00:02.17randomparticlethere are ssh clients in the iOS app store
00:03.42randomparticlee.g.: http://itunes.apple.com/app/issh-ssh-vnc-console/id287765826?mt=8
00:05.47randomparticlehopefully this will work when bz freezes: http://pastebin.com/sGMszkJU
00:06.00randomparticleseems to work ok for a few programs i've tested it with
00:06.58randomparticlei'm trapping thumb button events to hopefully crash bz when it freezes, and so generate a crash log with a stack trace
00:07.36randomparticlenow i go shoot some tanks and hope it locks up :--)
00:26.18randomparticlehurrah. it froze and the program worked
00:28.03randomparticlethe stack: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=nP1NFicD
00:28.19JeffMyeah that's in SDL
00:28.35randomparticlecan't be 100% sure it was stuck there, but might have been
00:28.59randomparticlecould be some mutex issue
00:29.55randomparticlei'll try it a few more times and see if it's failing in the same place
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01:15.12randomparticlehmm… not inside the SDL call this time
01:27.10CIA-5BZFlag: 03Bullet Catcher 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r7898 10/BZFS_API_2.4_Upgrade: /* Upgrade */ replace bz_PlayerRecord with bz_BasePlayerRecord
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16:20.31Chr1sGuys the thing about surftanks death was a lie, I think surf is just trying to quit bzflag but it's very disappointing he did it this way. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBNn6BntA1Q watch this video, I'm 99% sure it's him speaking.
16:21.07Chr1sAnyone that has spoken to him on teamspeak will know that this is him
16:25.31JeffMoh teh dramas!
16:29.35QuantumWorkdarn
16:29.40QuantumWorkmy little sister actually cried about that
16:31.14JeffMsuch is the nature of information on the internet
16:31.57QuantumWorkyep
16:32.15QuantumWorkbut there's a special place in hell for people who make my kid sister cry
16:34.35JeffMthen it's going be very full before the end
16:35.39QuantumWorkno doubt
17:11.56bradbare in mind that video is uploaded by soxs
17:12.07bradI wouldn't personally believe it :)
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18:00.22joevanoI have had my doubts, his username has changed 4 or 5 times since his "death", could be his son doing it but that isn't usually something you are concerned about after the death of a loved one
18:04.53JeffMI did have to cancel my mom's facebook account after she passed, but yes it's not like we went and played her farmville
18:05.30joevanoexactly
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18:06.12BulletCatcherGrieving people should not be expected to act as rationally as they normally would.
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19:16.36randomparticlethere's a graphics glitch in 2.4: http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1sfGnm5hcgYqCK1SCbR3hGrYvvp20
19:16.52randomparticlename underlined and underlined bit flickering about a bit
19:17.21randomparticlesomeone else on windows, different hardware also has this apparently
19:17.26randomparticleam awaiting their screenshot
19:17.59randomparticlemaybe it's not a glitch. maybe it's intentional. certainly looks like a glitch though
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19:21.47kierrarandomparticle: hi
19:21.51randomparticlehi
19:22.13randomparticlethis is my screenshot, relevant bit: http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1sfGnm5hcgYqCK1SCbR3hGrYvvp20
19:22.14kierraobviously it doesnt flash on sshot
19:22.19randomparticletrue
19:23.40randomparticlepixentral.com is great for uploading screenshots, btw. you don't have to register and there are very few ads
19:23.52kierrahttp://moooo.org/image/36e5e8f
19:24.11randomparticleyeah, it's the same "glitch", isn't it?
19:24.25randomparticleand the red block in it moves around :--)
19:24.49randomparticlei'm amazed you can bz like that
19:25.10BulletCatcherIt is a new feature in 2.4.
19:25.12BulletCatcherThe callsign of player you are you are following is underlined.
19:25.30randomparticlebut it flickers in a weird way, BulletCatcher
19:25.36kierraoh
19:25.39randomparticlein a way that doesn't look intentional
19:25.44BulletCatcherThe black and white alternate.
19:25.50randomparticleand the red bit?
19:26.04BulletCatcherThe red part is almost certainly a bug of some sort.
19:26.16randomparticlethat bit moves about
19:28.09BulletCatcherThe red part is the underscore in Legend_13's callsign.
19:28.55kierracorrect, BC....its all grey for others
19:28.58randomparticlei saw that and thought, great, my graphics card is dying
19:29.04kierrahehe
19:30.14randomparticlethe freezing bug/whatever gets more intriguing
19:30.29randomparticleall the stack traces show it's in BaseLocalPlayer:update
19:31.02randomparticlewhich, in addition to the other facts, is consistent with a non-terminating loop, or something of that nature
19:31.15randomparticlei need more evidence though
19:31.18blast007BulletCatcher: it's also a feature I want to remove/"fix" when I get motivated ;)
19:32.19BulletCatcherI find the flashing too distracting, but trepan (who implemented it) thinks it is perfect the way it is.
19:32.20BulletCatcherWe'll need an option to keep everyone happy.
19:32.25randomparticlethere's a while loop in BaseLocalPlayer::update
19:32.40randomparticlei wonder if bz is getting stuck in that under certain conditions
19:33.18blast007I'd rather it just underline the player's name in their team color
19:33.23randomparticlei.e., the condition is always evaluating to true
19:33.43blast007it also seems like the flashing lines write over the menu background.. because they do not appear dimmed when you are in the menu
19:33.49randomparticleor dancing unicorns over the top
19:34.09kierrai think dancing unicorns was JeffM's idea
19:34.21randomparticleit already says at the top of the screen who you're following?
19:34.32blast007yeah
19:34.41moireeWhat's the use anyway, as the name of the driver is written in big fat letters on the top?
19:34.43blast007but this is so that you can easily see them on the scoreboard
19:35.09JeffMkierra, no I want to turn the tanks into unicons, and they don't shoot bullets, they shoot hugs.
19:35.23moireethen use reverse video for the driver's name in the score list
19:35.29blast007ex: if there's 30 players on a server, it can be difficult to consistently and quickly find the one you are following on the scoreboard ;)
19:35.29kierracool, i'll take the hugs over bullets anyday
19:36.10blast007you know what's cooler than a unicorn?  A unicorn with a chainsaw for a horn.
19:36.25randomparticlean ice cube?>
19:36.34kierraewww, blast, sometimes you worry me
19:37.02blast007I didn't come up with it!
19:37.07BulletCatcherrandomparticle: If your frame rate is too high there may not be enough floating precision for the while loop to terminate.
19:37.27randomparticlei have framerate limited to 47
19:37.34randomparticlechosen because it's a prime number
19:37.36BulletCatcherThat should be plenty low.
19:37.40randomparticleyeah
19:38.46BulletCatcherStill, it would be interesting to see the values of doneDT and dtLimit.
19:38.50randomparticlei could put some debug code in there
19:38.54JeffMblast007, you read that too?
19:39.02randomparticlei.e., if x number of iterations exceeded, print something
19:39.06blast007JeffM: started it today
19:39.18JeffMguess projet wonderfull adds do work
19:39.27BulletCatcherThat would be a good place to start, randomparticle.
19:39.28blast007:)
19:39.39randomparticlebrb. putting computer to sleep momentarily
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20:39.36randomparticlethe stack for 4 freezes: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=icpW5fdy
20:40.06randomparticle3 of them have sinf near the top. perhaps coincidental
20:40.12JeffMnone of those are really consistent
20:40.30JeffMthat means your computer can't do math
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20:40.40randomparticlethey're all within BaseLocalPlayer::update
20:40.45JeffMso I'd hope that isn't the problem
20:41.05JeffMis anyone else having the issue?
20:41.20randomparticlei couldn't say
20:41.38JeffMit could be getting stuck in some loop in the obstacle check
20:41.53JeffMis this your build or the premade bin we have?
20:42.12randomparticlethose from svn unmodded
20:42.22randomparticlebut same happens with prebuilt
20:42.23JeffMso your build
20:42.26JeffMk
20:42.37JeffMcan you boot to 10.6 and see if it dupes?
20:42.49randomparticlei could try that later
20:42.59JeffMcus that isn't much to go on
20:43.13randomparticletook me an hour of playing to get the last freeze
20:43.48randomparticlewould be ideal if i could attach gdb to it
20:44.07JeffMit does not happen when in a window?
20:44.19randomparticlei can't really play bz in a window easily
20:44.37randomparticleso i haven't tried that
20:44.46JeffMand you can't attach gdb beforehand?
20:44.53JeffMor get another display to run GDB in?
20:44.58randomparticlehmm.. can i set it going as a robot or something?
20:45.13JeffMno clue since we don't know what the actual issue is
20:45.14randomparticleon my own server. then could do that in a window in the background and go away and do other stuff
20:45.28randomparticlethere's an auto mode?
20:45.47JeffMautopilot
20:46.03randomparticleit will respawn when shot?
20:46.27JeffMtry and see
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22:04.03randomparticlei'm printing out inputDT from BaseLocalPlayer::update and it's always -1
22:04.19randomparticledeclaration of that function is void update(float inputDT = -1.0f);
22:11.09JeffMyeah it's not used yet
22:13.43randomparticlecan that be called without the argument?
22:14.03JeffMyeah that's the point of the default argument in the decleration
22:14.20JeffMupdate() is the same as calling update(-1);
22:14.34randomparticlei see
22:15.21JeffMthat's pretty standard C++
22:16.06meebareally one of my favorite features of it
22:16.07meeba:O
22:21.56randomparticleok, the while loop exceeded 1000 iterations during a freeze
22:22.14randomparticlei'm pretty sure that's not what was intended
22:22.30JeffMI wonder if your clock is getting off
22:26.01JeffMso your DT must be huge!!!!
22:26.24JeffMlog out DT when it's larger then 10*MIN_DT_LIMIT
22:26.33JeffMand do you get FPS slowdows?
22:39.45randomparticleok. i'm getting normal size dts, e.g.:  dt = 0.022173
22:40.03JeffMwhat fps do you get?
22:40.08randomparticlebut then, just before it freezes, i get this: dt = 18446743552.000000
22:40.14JeffMyeah that's the issue
22:40.19randomparticlehehe
22:40.49JeffMlog out the 2 times used to compute DT at that point
22:40.58JeffMheck can you log every clock?
22:41.04JeffMsee if it has some drift
22:41.19JeffMbut what could be happening is something ELSE on the system is making the bzflag app stop processing
22:41.24JeffMand that builds up a huge time
22:41.28JeffMtho that's way too many seconds
22:41.33randomparticleyeah
22:41.42JeffMso my guess is that your clock is bad
22:41.43randomparticlesomething fishy going here. i will work it out
22:42.05JeffMlog out the clock values see if it goes wonkey before the freeze
22:43.34randomparticlei think i will continue tomorrow after some sleep. it's late, and that's when i start making mistakes
22:43.51randomparticlethanks for the suggestions
22:43.57JeffMsure
23:00.01Erroneousdoes 2.4 have the clock fixes that 3.0 does?
23:00.47Erroneousi.e. not going backwards?
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