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| 00:19.07 | joevano | JeffM: web and mysql are a bit over 1Gb |
| 00:19.47 | joevano | cd /var/www |
| 00:19.53 | joevano | gah |
| 00:27.55 | JeffM | ok |
| 00:27.59 | JeffM | that ain't too bad |
| 00:28.39 | JeffM | I'll let you guys figure out what you want to do and then if you want a VM I can set it up |
| 00:28.56 | JeffM | it's only 4$ for one with 5 gigs of storage |
| 00:29.24 | JeffM | and I can bump it to 10 for an extra 3 bucks |
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| 03:45.35 | blast007 | joevano: if we're going to move the bzbb as well, we have over 1GB of forum attachments alone |
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| 11:52.53 | joevano | blast007: where are they? not in the /var/www dir? |
| 11:59.19 | joevano | I did a 'du -h' in /var/www/bzflag and each of our databases |
| 11:59.33 | joevano | or at least the stuff I could think of |
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| 14:10.55 | blast007 | joevano: we have not moved the forum/list/etc (any of m.b.o) to JeffM's server. it's still on .bz |
| 14:11.24 | blast007 | only things that have moved are the main site, wiki, and images.b.o |
| 14:13.43 | blast007 | the m.b.o vhost takes up 2.4GB, and I think the database is around 1GB |
| 14:13.57 | blast007 | so I'd think we'd want at least 10GB to be safe |
| 14:14.20 | blast007 | probably more if we actually want some room to run backups |
| 14:15.37 | joevano | ah... that makes sense |
| 14:16.20 | joevano | backups... we don't need no stinking backups ;-) |
| 14:16.29 | blast007 | any idea what host jeffm was looking at? |
| 14:16.35 | joevano | none |
| 14:19.34 | blast007 | not sure I'm comfortable running our core services on a $4/month VPS, either :P |
| 14:20.16 | BulletCatcher | Yeah. I am seeing typical prices starting around $30/month. |
| 14:20.52 | blast007 | vpslink starts at $8 for a 2.5GB drive |
| 14:26.35 | BulletCatcher | Maybe JeffM was quoting only the incremental cost for storage. |
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| 14:36.07 | blast007 | he made it sound like it was a $4 5GB VPS |
| 14:36.27 | blast007 | and $3 more to get one with 10GB |
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| 14:37.11 | blast007 | should also think about our earlier idea of having file distribution (apt, yum, etc) hosted by us, since that will eat up more space/bandwidth |
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| 14:38.30 | blast007 | joevano: oh, and I think it's the *forum* database that is 1GB or so.. there's probably a minor amount of additional database information |
| 14:38.41 | blast007 | the stats site will be going away though, so that database can get dumped |
| 14:39.07 | blast007 | hmm, and then the only thing that's left is the server list information and server keys, both which should be minimal |
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| 14:44.00 | blast007 | another one to look at might be Amazon EC2 hosting, but that's a variable cost then it seems like.. |
| 14:45.12 | blast007 | and it's seemingly much more complicated to actually set up |
| 14:45.20 | blast007 | they have all these pieces... |
| 14:48.15 | joevano | yeah, and it tends to be more expensive in the long run but very flexable |
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| 14:51.06 | BulletCatcher | Support for slow growth is more important to us than on-demand flexibility. |
| 14:51.36 | blast007 | was just thinking it might be nice in some ways to "pay for what you use" |
| 14:51.55 | blast007 | since I doubt we really use that much.. when you exclude the wiki.. and the forum... hmm, nvm. ;) |
| 14:52.41 | BulletCatcher | Also, pay-as-you-go hurts the wallet when you get by a DoS attack. |
| 14:52.46 | blast007 | yeah |
| 14:53.00 | blast007 | or slashdot, which is more of a DDoS ;) |
| 14:53.33 | blast007 | with a cheap VPS you don't get overcharged, you just go down |
| 14:53.45 | blast007 | well.. unless you go over the minimal bandwidth that most VPSs provide.. |
| 14:54.30 | blast007 | the $20/month linode VPS has 512MB RAM, 20GB space, and 200GB bandwidth |
| 14:55.45 | blast007 | maybe we should ask NN if he wants to host the bzflag site on his ausom comcast bizness connexion |
| 14:56.05 | heartnet | I've tried Linode before, and I thought Linode's network bandwidth is thin. |
| 14:57.10 | blast007 | I'm not really sold on the VPS idea in general |
| 14:57.21 | brlcad | vps sounds like a particularly "bad idea" to me, unless there are (network and system) performance guarantees |
| 14:57.28 | blast007 | for the resources we need, it's almost as much as getting a dedicated server |
| 14:58.48 | blast007 | brlcad: yeah, that's what always worries me with a shared environment |
| 14:58.58 | heartnet | If I have much more money, I would change to the full dedicated plan immediately.. |
| 14:59.05 | blast007 | you don't know what your "neighbors" will be like |
| 15:02.17 | blast007 | for $69 I'm getting a quad-core 2.5GHz, 2GB RAM, 160GB space, 1TB bandwidth. For $68 at vps.net, you get 2.4GHz (four 600MHz slices), 1.5GB RAM, 40GB space, 1TB bandwidth. |
| 15:04.11 | heartnet | I am using the VPS plan of game servers for my map hosting. And I pay $29.99 per month. |
| 15:04.34 | brlcad | i.e., when you get as close as you can comparing apples to apples, it's the same cost but on a shared resource that still might screw you over if usage spikes |
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| 15:05.15 | blast007 | brlcad: in general you spend *more* to get it to compare to a dedicated :) |
| 15:05.48 | blast007 | in the above example, I get roughly four times as much CPU power, and 4 times the storage |
| 15:05.59 | brlcad | yeah, but the main cost is the bandwidth |
| 15:06.20 | brlcad | the hardware is whatever was cheap at the time you signed up |
| 15:06.43 | brlcad | so companies will flip/flop around on cpu/mem metrics .. but predominantly price around the bandwidth they'll give you |
| 15:06.49 | brlcad | it's the dominant constraint |
| 15:07.32 | brlcad | granted, not the whole picture, you can double/triple price with the right cpu changes and uptime guarantees |
| 15:09.33 | brlcad | doubling your cpus might increase cost 25-50%, but doubling your bandwidth cap will usually double your cost outright |
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| 15:52.24 | heartnet | As for my server, I am Japanese and I live in Japan. But I am contracting the server plan in US. Because many people connect from US. Of course there are also many good hosting plans in Japan and I can use one of them. But if I choose a server in Japan, most of the players will be bothered by much lag and I don't want to distress them. |
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| 17:34.18 | jcp|other | So I'm having this problem with a new laptop I just got. Whenever I join a BZFlag server, the text colors are competely messed up; arbitrary runs of text are red, arbitrary runs of text are yellow, and so on. |
| 17:34.38 | jcp|other | (everywhere, not just the console; this includes messages drawn above the hud, such as "looking at X..." |
| 17:34.50 | jcp|other | ) |
| 17:35.39 | jcp|other | The colors seem to scroll to the right, meaning that every X frames (or maybe just every frame; I can't tell how many FPS it's getting at present) the range that's yellow shifts one character to the right, and so on |
| 17:36.04 | jcp|other | That would be playable albeit extremely annoying, but then after about 2 seconds the entire thing locks up. |
| 17:36.22 | jcp|other | Including the networking bits of BZFlag, since I'm reported as lagging by the server when I know for a fact that I'm not on a laggy network. |
| 17:36.36 | jcp|other | It unlocks after about ten seconds, goes with scrolly colors for 2 seconds, then locks up again, and repeats. |
| 17:38.32 | jcp|other | Does anyone know what could be going on? |
| 17:39.00 | jcp|other | I'm on a Toshiba Satellite P775-S7215, running Ubuntu 11.04 in classic mode (a.k.a the old gnome instead of unity) |
| 17:40.57 | jcp|other | Graphics card is Intel mobile HD graphics; I think it's a GMA 3000 |
| 17:41.01 | joevano | jcp|other: video driver |
| 17:41.12 | jcp|other | Not sure. How do I find that out? |
| 17:41.22 | joevano | had similar issues on windows vista with crappy driver |
| 17:41.41 | jcp|other | yeah |
| 17:41.41 | jcp|other | hm |
| 17:41.49 | jcp|other | How do I figure out what driver I'm using? |
| 17:42.33 | joevano | jcp|other: not exactly sure... i'm generally a linux console guy and never have had issues with drivers |
| 17:42.43 | jcp|other | Ah |
| 17:42.50 | jcp|other | Darn |
| 17:42.53 | jcp|other | does some googling |
| 17:43.15 | joevano | hang around here, someone is bound to set you on the right path as well |
| 17:43.40 | jcp|other | Yeah, definitely |
| 17:43.48 | jcp|other | And once I figure out my graphics driver, I'll mention it |
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| 17:46.18 | jcp|other | Hm, looks like there's an upgrade for the intel driver |
| 17:46.22 | jcp|other | tries upgrading to see if it fixes it |
| 17:56.38 | jcp|other | Didn't help. |
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| 19:03.32 | brad | dm what do I tell them? |
| 19:03.46 | brad | oops. lagged a bit there, ww |
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| 20:37.12 | JeffM | ibot nslookup wiki.bzflag.org |
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| 20:39.39 | JeffM | ibot nslookup www.opencombat.net |
| 20:39.49 | JeffM | hmmm |
| 20:42.21 | JeffM | well the bzflag dns entries should be split from my personal ones now so we can point them to different places |
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