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| 02:44.56 | allejo | bzbb is under maintenance? |
| 02:45.31 | JeffM | bzflag has been canceled |
| 02:46.19 | allejo | huh? |
| 02:46.34 | JeffM | the network canceld it |
| 02:47.19 | allejo | why? |
| 02:47.27 | JeffM | low ratings |
| 02:47.54 | allejo | are you serious? |
| 02:48.07 | JeffM | 55 players a day isn't much |
| 02:50.11 | allejo | so the bzbb is the only part of the site affected? not list server or anything else? |
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| 02:50.21 | JeffM | the list server will go down soon |
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| 02:50.26 | JeffM | chaching and all that |
| 02:50.55 | JeffM | the forums had to be taken down so people can't complain |
| 02:51.02 | allejo | so rip bz? |
| 02:51.21 | JeffM | it has been on the way out for a long time |
| 02:51.54 | JeffM | if only more people had clicked on the ads |
| 02:52.33 | allejo | why no announcement about this? |
| 02:53.02 | JeffM | who would it be announced to? nobody plays |
| 02:53.25 | JeffM | with now ad revenue we all had to sell our keyboards |
| 02:55.05 | JeffM | but really I kidd, they are down because they are being moved to a new server :) |
| 02:55.17 | JeffM | wiki and main page already got moved |
| 02:55.34 | allejo | you killed it with the keyboard thing jeff :P |
| 02:55.57 | allejo | where's the server now? |
| 02:56.01 | JeffM | I was trying to make it more and more silly |
| 02:56.12 | JeffM | I have no idea where the vhost is now |
| 02:56.16 | JeffM | in the cloud I guess |
| 02:56.47 | allejo | i figured something was iffy when the list server wasn't affected but the bzbb was |
| 02:56.58 | JeffM | CACHING!!!! ;) |
| 02:57.07 | allejo | uh huh⦠sure |
| 02:57.14 | JeffM | tho really not many people play |
| 02:57.23 | JeffM | 55 is a real peak number for weekdays |
| 02:57.47 | allejo | i do have to admit, you got me at the beginning xD |
| 02:57.55 | JeffM | oh it will not last long |
| 02:58.08 | JeffM | not at this rate |
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| 02:58.57 | allejo | what's the rate? |
| 02:59.09 | JeffM | development slowing |
| 02:59.14 | JeffM | playerbase droping |
| 02:59.43 | spldart | Hopes dashing. |
| 03:00.04 | JeffM | I wonder if we are back up to 5 servers per player again |
| 03:00.45 | short_circuit | omg the numbers :( Each digit is like a nail. |
| 03:01.14 | JeffM | oh bzflag wont' "stop" one day |
| 03:01.15 | short_circuit | sry. I've had a very extra special bad day today. I'll shaddup now. |
| 03:01.44 | JeffM | tho next time tim forgetst to pay the domain name then it'll be down for a while |
| 03:01.59 | short_circuit | Oh crap?! |
| 03:02.31 | allejo | i'm assuming tim has forgotten in the past? |
| 03:02.36 | JeffM | yep |
| 03:03.06 | JeffM | just like there ain't no 2.4 for debian yet ether |
| 03:03.34 | allejo | no one has done a 2.4 for debian yet? |
| 03:03.49 | JeffM | only a registered debian developer can sign an offical package |
| 03:03.54 | JeffM | tim is the maintainer of bzflag |
| 03:04.05 | JeffM | and it's fallen into disrepair |
| 03:04.46 | allejo | ah so only tim can do it? there's not another debian developer? |
| 03:04.54 | JeffM | I know of no other |
| 03:05.09 | JeffM | it's his project he sould give a crap about it :) |
| 03:06.09 | allejo | poor debian users |
| 03:06.46 | JeffM | yeah all four of them |
| 03:07.56 | allejo | that just sounds disappointing |
| 03:08.21 | JeffM | that's just what happens when stagnation sets in |
| 03:08.33 | JeffM | means it's time to make a new game that is better then bzflag :) |
| 03:09.07 | allejo | sounds like fun |
| 03:15.22 | JeffM | not when you do it all yourself :) |
| 03:17.52 | short_circuit | capital m capital e capital h. What's that spell..... Oh god... There I go again. |
| 03:18.38 | short_circuit | Just wanna go back in time a bit and play some silvercat or overlord again. |
| 03:26.54 | Constitution | a program should be able to recvfrom() on a UDP socket after doing a sendto() on it without an explicit bind()ing, right? the server can just send traffic back to the source port? |
| 03:27.10 | JeffM | it's connectionless |
| 03:27.13 | JeffM | so I don't know |
| 03:27.18 | JeffM | but I think so |
| 03:27.37 | JeffM | there may be a timeout |
| 03:27.54 | JeffM | so you may have to check if the socket is still valid |
| 03:28.10 | Constitution | sure... but the OS will automatically bind a port after outgoing traffic is sent? |
| 03:28.12 | JeffM | the IPEndpoint is the big thing that it uses |
| 03:28.18 | JeffM | I think so |
| 03:28.30 | JeffM | I have never tested my home grown UDP |
| 03:30.33 | Constitution | I can get traffic sent from client to server (when the server bind()s a port), but nothing back the other direction somehow |
| 03:31.24 | JeffM | are you saving the endpoint the server gets and using that to send? |
| 03:31.30 | JeffM | it's not one socket per client |
| 03:31.37 | Constitution | yes same socket |
| 03:32.36 | Constitution | I was wondering if there's something you have to do before you can recvfrom() on an unbound socket |
| 03:32.50 | JeffM | I dunno |
| 03:33.02 | JeffM | I did mine in .net and it may be doing some extra stuff for me |
| 03:33.05 | JeffM | look at bzflag |
| 03:33.42 | Constitution | I did... I might actually be able to find the code, if it existed in a file that made sense (like network.cxx) :P |
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| 03:35.24 | JeffM | heh |
| 03:35.29 | JeffM | it should be in nethandler |
| 03:35.37 | JeffM | that has the TCP and UDP stuff IIRC |
| 03:36.20 | JeffM | there is a switch that it uses to decide what messages to send over UDP |
| 03:36.28 | JeffM | then you should be able to see what socket it uses |
| 03:36.32 | JeffM | and how it uses it |
| 03:36.35 | Constitution | which is, of course, not in net/ but in... game/ |
| 03:36.53 | Constitution | I'll check it out though... thanks |
| 03:37.00 | JeffM | it should be used just by the server |
| 03:37.08 | JeffM | the client uses the ServerLink class |
| 03:38.32 | JeffM | you know you want to work on open combat, it's all crossplatform and fun :) |
| 03:39.35 | JeffM | only 3 servers to deal with, integrated leauges, private games, instant one on one duels.... |
| 03:39.54 | Constitution | but it's so much more fun to have 360, like bz does |
| 03:40.39 | Constitution | 260 rather |
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| 03:41.42 | JeffM | oh you can have 260 instances if you wanted |
| 03:42.09 | Constitution | it was a joke |
| 03:42.12 | JeffM | I know :) |
| 03:42.42 | JeffM | cus everyone loves scrolling down the middle of the list to find the map you want to play :) |
| 03:44.51 | Constitution | no more patience for that anymore, I just find one in the top five that already has players :) |
| 03:45.13 | JeffM | yeah most playing happens on 6 servers |
| 03:46.32 | JeffM | just imagine if map didn't have to equal server :) |
| 03:47.37 | Constitution | it doesn't :) however the multi-map plugin solutions are rather inelegant so far |
| 03:48.11 | JeffM | it does when you dont' spread it over 4 dimensions, only one map per server at any given time |
| 03:49.19 | Constitution | oh |
| 03:50.09 | JeffM | Imagine a world where you could be playing, and someone says "lets play map B" and you click and suddenly you are playing with them, but the people that didn't want to move are still on map A |
| 03:50.22 | JeffM | and when B is empty you jump right back into A |
| 03:51.30 | JeffM | imagine a world where you are sick of some kid saying he had mad skillz and you click a button, he get a challenge then suddenly you are both in a private instance to show who is best |
| 03:51.44 | JeffM | and when you win it's sent in chat to all others playing :) |
| 04:09.04 | JeffM | nobody has any imagination anymore |
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| 18:28.43 | JeffM | anyone here speak german? |
| 19:59.33 | JeffM | blast007, how did the upgrade go? |
| 20:04.41 | blast007 | I haven't actually moved it yet |
| 20:04.45 | blast007 | I was just testing |
| 20:04.46 | JeffM | I know |
| 20:04.53 | blast007 | it went okay thus far |
| 20:04.56 | JeffM | I was curious how the tests went |
| 20:04.58 | JeffM | cool |
| 20:05.02 | blast007 | need to try it out a bit, but it seems like it was working fine |
| 20:05.13 | JeffM | you made the tardling on the forums mad :) |
| 20:05.19 | JeffM | cool |
| 20:05.26 | blast007 | yeah, I had actually just forgot to turn it back on ;) |
| 20:05.32 | JeffM | heh |
| 20:05.38 | blast007 | was just meaning to have it disabled while running the DB backup |
| 20:05.57 | JeffM | not like it missed that many posts. |
| 20:06.41 | blast007 | yeah, and we got a short break from FangUp |
| 20:07.31 | JeffM | I'd have banned him by now :) |
| 20:19.52 | blast007 | but that's like 10% of the bzflag population! |
| 20:20.39 | JeffM | 2$ |
| 20:20.42 | JeffM | 2% |
| 20:39.25 | joevano | JeffM: he has been for a little bit... and nom is slightly better |
| 20:40.22 | JeffM | nom? |
| 20:40.28 | joevano | and I made him quit BZFlag for almost a week because I'm so mean |
| 20:40.34 | JeffM | heh |
| 20:40.49 | joevano | dvorak keyboard m and w are next to each other |
| 20:41.11 | joevano | so I fat fingered now |
| 20:41.20 | JeffM | heh |
| 20:42.52 | JeffM | is he like 14? |
| 20:43.01 | JeffM | cus he's SUPER EXCITED to be there |
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| 21:01.35 | joevano | yep says he is 14.. which is about the right age for that |
| 21:09.31 | JeffM | ooo we lost 3 servers now it's only 4.7 per player :) |
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