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| 01:45.40 | Propane_Tank | what does this error mean? File transfer terminated with error from libcurl 28 : Operation too slow. Less than 1024 bytes/sec transfered the last 10 seconds |
| 01:46.14 | Propane_Tank | my servers don't appear in the list server and i know the network is good cause i'm connected right now via vpn using it's internet connection |
| 01:47.37 | Propane_Tank | i've been seeing it in my log files but didn't think much of it cause it was all working good. now since the last about 2 weeks some servers would dissappear from the list sever. now that all of them are gone (and they are running), i want to know how to fix it |
| 01:48.00 | Propane_Tank | this is the other error that related to is...File transfer terminated with error from libcurl 7 : Failed connect to my.BZFlag.org:80; Operation now in progress |
| 01:48.12 | blast007 | it means that the list couldn't connect back to your server, so the request to add your server timed out |
| 01:48.30 | Propane_Tank | how to fix? |
| 01:48.40 | Propane_Tank | i don't have a firewall...least i shouldn't |
| 01:48.54 | blast007 | what is the -publicaddr value (the whole thing) and the port? |
| 01:49.05 | blast007 | and also, what IP does the server use? |
| 01:49.50 | Propane_Tank | public addr is bzflag.hostedfree.net:5154 (same for others, but add one to the port) |
| 01:50.10 | Propane_Tank | ip 74.82.57.122 |
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| 01:54.05 | blast007 | PropaneTank_: could you restart one of them right now? |
| 01:54.12 | PropaneTank_ | sure. |
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| 01:55.10 | PropaneTank_ | i do seem to have some sort of firewall rule i think...idk. i'm a noob when it comes to iptables |
| 01:55.32 | blast007 | I was able to connect to one of your servers from the list server, so that seems to work, at least |
| 01:55.45 | blast007 | you should see if you can access the list server via wget or curl or something |
| 01:56.02 | blast007 | try to pull http://my.bzflag.org/db/?action=LIST from your server |
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| 01:56.21 | PropaneTank_ | this is what rules.us is...http://pastebin.com/e3kqXZYg |
| 01:56.39 | PropaneTank_ | saved your url |
| 01:56.47 | PropaneTank_ | i used wget |
| 01:57.17 | PropaneTank_ | us should be up |
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| 01:57.58 | blast007 | PropaneTank_: did you just shut a server down? the one at 5155? |
| 01:58.22 | PropaneTank_ | i have done nothing to the servers. i never got a change to reboot one...so |
| 01:59.55 | blast007 | see my PM, Propane_Tank |
| 02:00.29 | Propane_Tank | this shows up in my log for 5154: Player [0] sent huge packet length (len=65524), possible attack |
| 02:00.29 | Propane_Tank | Player [0] removed at 2011-11-05 20:50:34: large packet recvd |
| 02:00.45 | blast007 | yeah, that was me telneting to the port, probably |
| 02:01.28 | blast007 | how about you read my /msg to you |
| 02:09.25 | JeffM | blast007 is the haxors, watch out for tacos |
| 02:14.14 | Propane_Tank | doesn't windows come with telnet? i swear xp did, not finding it in 7 |
| 02:15.25 | JeffM | I dont' think it does anymore |
| 02:15.41 | Propane_Tank | what OS you on blast007? |
| 02:15.55 | JeffM | just use putty |
| 02:16.00 | Propane_Tank | oh huh. |
| 02:18.25 | blast007 | Propane_Tank: I was telnet'ing from the list server |
| 02:18.40 | blast007 | since that's the server you were having trouble communicating with |
| 02:18.44 | blast007 | so, FreeBSD |
| 02:18.59 | blast007 | telnet is not installed by default on Windows 7 |
| 02:19.32 | JeffM | nor 8 |
| 02:20.02 | blast007 | do like JeffM said, or turn it on by using "Turn Windows features on or off" within the programs and features panel |
| 02:20.20 | JeffM | putty is faster to get :) |
| 02:20.24 | blast007 | seems they even have a telnet server, at least on the edition I have |
| 02:34.47 | Propane_Tank | jeffm: not really... windows key, cmd, enter, type |
| 02:35.10 | JeffM | Propane_Tank, to install |
| 02:35.30 | Propane_Tank | once you install it. |
| 02:35.32 | JeffM | finding putty in google and downloading it is faster then letting the control pannel add it |
| 02:35.41 | JeffM | sure it's nearly the SAME when you install it |
| 02:35.49 | blast007 | putty is better anyway |
| 02:36.27 | blast007 | plus, I have putty pinned to my taskbar. that's faster than "windows key, cmd, enter, type" ;) |
| 02:36.40 | blast007 | click, wait .5 seconds, double click |
| 02:36.51 | Propane_Tank | well i could pin command promt to my task bar too. LP |
| 02:36.53 | Propane_Tank | :P |
| 02:37.08 | JeffM | putty does ssh too |
| 02:37.16 | Propane_Tank | ya. i know. |
| 02:37.20 | blast007 | and serial ports :) |
| 02:37.27 | Propane_Tank | what serial ports? |
| 02:37.42 | blast007 | the ones I use to interface with the routers and switches at work :P |
| 02:41.38 | Propane_Tank | i take it this is the list server? 63.246.136.16 |
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| 02:42.45 | Propane_Tank | 501. what does that error mean? |
| 02:42.59 | blast007 | ~dns bzflag.bz |
| 02:43.02 | JeffM | not implemented |
| 02:43.23 | Propane_Tank | whats bzflag.bz...whats the point of it? |
| 02:43.27 | JeffM | what did you try to do that gave you a 501 |
| 02:43.35 | JeffM | that is the domain name for the physical machine |
| 02:43.46 | Propane_Tank | idk. i ran telnet 63.246.136.16 80 and i typed random stuff and hit enter |
| 02:43.53 | blast007 | lol |
| 02:43.54 | JeffM | yeah that would be why |
| 02:44.00 | Propane_Tank | what'd i do? |
| 02:44.11 | JeffM | connected to a port and sent random data |
| 02:44.18 | JeffM | as in an invalid HTTP request |
| 02:44.26 | JeffM | so you got a 501 cus the server didn't know what to do |
| 02:44.27 | blast007 | "a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time" |
| 02:44.32 | JeffM | telnet is not the same as HTTP |
| 02:44.51 | JeffM | the list server only accepts HTTP connections |
| 02:45.25 | Propane_Tank | whats the latest version of openssh? the list server runs 3.6.1p1 |
| 02:45.41 | JeffM | you do not need ssh to access the list server |
| 02:45.57 | brad | lol |
| 02:46.03 | blast007 | Propane_Tank: what are you trying to accomplish? getting banned from the list server? |
| 02:46.25 | JeffM | that sounds like fun |
| 02:46.26 | Propane_Tank | fine. i'll mess around on my server |
| 02:46.37 | blast007 | the server will fight back |
| 02:46.48 | JeffM | if you did then it'd be really easy to say why you can't list a game on the list server :) |
| 02:47.08 | JeffM | other then you probably didn't configure your router correctly |
| 02:47.57 | blast007 | he had two IPs on his server |
| 02:48.01 | JeffM | ahh |
| 02:48.04 | JeffM | routing issues |
| 02:48.04 | blast007 | and it was making requests from the wrong one |
| 02:48.12 | JeffM | tjat |
| 02:48.16 | JeffM | that'd do it |
| 02:48.52 | blast007 | Propane_Tank: how much RAM does your VPS have? |
| 02:48.59 | Propane_Tank | 512MB...why? |
| 02:49.10 | blast007 | kinda a pricy VPS |
| 02:49.24 | Propane_Tank | i pay $15/month. linode is $20 |
| 02:49.25 | blast007 | I'm getting a 512MB VPS for $8/month |
| 02:49.34 | JeffM | yeah that's high |
| 02:49.39 | JeffM | who's it with? |
| 02:49.45 | blast007 | neosurge |
| 02:49.47 | Propane_Tank | i get 450GB transfer, 15GB disk space and 512MB ram + 256 swap |
| 02:49.56 | JeffM | yeah that's still high |
| 02:49.58 | blast007 | they actually show $25.95/month for their 512MB one |
| 02:50.04 | blast007 | though it's not quite the same, I guess |
| 02:50.11 | Propane_Tank | i got custom upgrade |
| 02:50.26 | blast007 | double RAM, it looks like |
| 02:50.55 | Propane_Tank | linode is 200gb transfer, 20gb disk space, and 512mb ram + 512mb swap for $20/month, but your swap space eats your disk space... |
| 02:51.09 | blast007 | I get 1TB transfer |
| 02:51.11 | JeffM | I'm payin like 7$ |
| 02:51.14 | Propane_Tank | so i only have a 256MB swap on that vps |
| 02:51.37 | Propane_Tank | and i also happen to only have 256mb swap on my neosurge vps |
| 02:52.05 | Propane_Tank | what OS do you run? i run cent on my linode, it's ehh. it was cool at first, but i like my ubuntu |
| 02:52.12 | blast007 | ubuntu |
| 02:52.44 | Propane_Tank | where do u get 7 dollar vps? |
| 02:52.51 | JeffM | couple places |
| 02:52.55 | Propane_Tank | like? |
| 02:52.57 | JeffM | I'm using enzu |
| 02:53.04 | blast007 | the bzflag main site, wiki, and images runs off an $8 VPS |
| 02:53.05 | JeffM | I upgraded the 4$ one :) |
| 02:53.40 | Propane_Tank | enzu is 25$ a month |
| 02:54.11 | JeffM | Linux Cloud Servers - 256MB |
| 02:54.11 | JeffM | enzu1$6.95 USDMonthly |
| 02:54.17 | JeffM | that's what I'm payin |
| 02:54.33 | Propane_Tank | how much ram? |
| 02:54.38 | JeffM | 256 |
| 02:54.42 | JeffM | I don't need much |
| 02:54.48 | Propane_Tank | how do u get it so cheap? |
| 02:54.59 | JeffM | went to the website and signed up.... |
| 02:55.10 | JeffM | looks like they have raised there prices since |
| 02:55.18 | Propane_Tank | yeah... |
| 02:55.35 | JeffM | I only host wobsites on it |
| 02:56.02 | blast007 | I'm using ThrustVPS |
| 02:56.36 | Propane_Tank | i host a bunch on my servers. webmin, about 8 websites (using apache), 4 bzf servers, vpn, |
| 02:56.59 | blast007 | that's a ton |
| 02:57.12 | JeffM | poor little vps |
| 02:57.15 | blast007 | you should probably upgrade t a dedicated system for all that |
| 02:57.21 | blast007 | with 4GB RAM |
| 02:57.33 | blast007 | maybe 8 |
| 02:57.33 | JeffM | how often does it thrash in swap? |
| 02:58.07 | blast007 | probably every time he uses webmin |
| 02:58.26 | blast007 | Propane_Tank: are they just static websites? |
| 02:58.42 | Propane_Tank | online 3? |
| 02:58.59 | Propane_Tank | i run like 3 installs of drupal. wordpress |
| 02:58.59 | Propane_Tank | piwik |
| 02:59.12 | JeffM | how much traffic do they get? |
| 02:59.14 | Propane_Tank | moodle |
| 02:59.18 | Propane_Tank | like none |
| 02:59.33 | JeffM | are the bzfs instances full? |
| 02:59.42 | Propane_Tank | lay around empty |
| 02:59.56 | JeffM | and how much free ram do you have showing in webmin at idle? |
| 03:00.18 | Propane_Tank | idk. free says 71 |
| 03:00.25 | Propane_Tank | 2 swap |
| 03:00.29 | JeffM | ouch |
| 03:00.32 | Propane_Tank | 246* |
| 03:00.37 | JeffM | good luck if anyone actualy HITS that thing |
| 03:00.39 | Propane_Tank | number pad turned off on me |
| 03:00.55 | Propane_Tank | moodle is a hogg. idk why i run it, just for the hell of it |
| 03:01.11 | Propane_Tank | i have apache is low memory mode |
| 03:01.23 | JeffM | yeah and you only have 71 megs free |
| 03:01.42 | JeffM | those php pages will chew up ram when they start processing |
| 03:01.44 | Propane_Tank | thats moodle for ya. i had 256 and did just fine |
| 03:01.57 | JeffM | fine under what load? |
| 03:02.00 | blast007 | moodle doesn't use up RAM when you're not using it :P |
| 03:02.05 | Propane_Tank | added moodle and had to get more. was filling almost all my swap. and thats idk |
| 03:02.07 | Propane_Tank | idle* |
| 03:02.09 | blast007 | it's a PHP application |
| 03:02.21 | blast007 | only thing that would run in the background is the cron operation for it |
| 03:02.26 | Propane_Tank | idk. it was sure hoggin my memory |
| 03:02.33 | blast007 | "it" being what? |
| 03:02.37 | Propane_Tank | moodle |
| 03:02.39 | blast007 | how do you determine it was moodle? |
| 03:02.43 | JeffM | moodle is not a process |
| 03:02.50 | Propane_Tank | cause i was fine before i installed it |
| 03:02.55 | JeffM | what process used all the meat? |
| 03:03.00 | blast007 | so you're guessing |
| 03:03.08 | Propane_Tank | pretty much. |
| 03:03.31 | Propane_Tank | i think i installed my vpn after my memory upgrade |
| 03:04.08 | JeffM | get 10-20 connections on that machine and it'll die thrashing |
| 03:04.12 | JeffM | it's all going to go to swap |
| 03:04.24 | blast007 | moodle recommends 1GB of RAM for every 50 concurrent users |
| 03:04.45 | Propane_Tank | you talking 20-30 connections to moodle? |
| 03:04.58 | JeffM | anything on the machine |
| 03:04.59 | blast007 | if you're not using InnoDB, you can turn that off and save some RAM |
| 03:05.04 | blast007 | in MySQL, that is |
| 03:05.22 | JeffM | assuming you have any conent to host out |
| 03:06.06 | blast007 | you could also tell good search bots to not index your moodle site |
| 03:06.11 | JeffM | I'm currently using 124 megs of my VPS ram and that scares the hell outa me |
| 03:06.16 | Propane_Tank | well lets try it jeffm. everyone on this channel active, go to oh idk... http://blog.haydendwire.me and start surfin |
| 03:07.27 | Propane_Tank | my moodle site isn't in google |
| 03:08.12 | blast007 | the bzflag.org server is using 57% of it's RAM |
| 03:08.21 | Propane_Tank | my ram free is down to 12 |
| 03:08.27 | blast007 | and apparently some swap space ;) |
| 03:08.32 | blast007 | 136MB of swap |
| 03:08.53 | blast007 | think it hits swap during the daily backup |
| 03:09.00 | Propane_Tank | back up to 79 now. how much ram on bzflag.org? |
| 03:09.10 | blast007 | 493MB |
| 03:09.20 | blast007 | total |
| 03:09.27 | blast007 | 212 free |
| 03:10.03 | Propane_Tank | how many websites running off it? |
| 03:10.14 | blast007 | three, currently |
| 03:10.14 | JeffM | how's your ram look now Propane_Tank ? |
| 03:10.32 | Propane_Tank | 24 free. 11megs swap used |
| 03:10.56 | Propane_Tank | fell to single digits. back up now |
| 03:11.13 | Propane_Tank | what are you doing jeffm? |
| 03:11.19 | JeffM | killing your machine |
| 03:11.36 | Propane_Tank | well no shit. my spaw is at 128megs used. single digits ram |
| 03:11.46 | JeffM | tho it's so slow it wont respond much more |
| 03:11.59 | JeffM | and that's less then 30 simulated connections to one site |
| 03:12.10 | Propane_Tank | thanks |
| 03:12.26 | JeffM | just showing you how close you are to the limit |
| 03:12.46 | Propane_Tank | any suggestions? |
| 03:12.51 | JeffM | get a real machine |
| 03:12.58 | JeffM | or take some crap off of it |
| 03:13.06 | JeffM | VPSs arn't meant for that much stuff |
| 03:13.20 | JeffM | yeah you've stalled down to like 2-3 requests a second |
| 03:13.27 | JeffM | it capped at like 60 then broke |
| 03:13.35 | Propane_Tank | my putty session is dead |
| 03:13.43 | JeffM | USE ALL THE BANDWITHS! |
| 03:14.02 | Propane_Tank | i'm on a 100Mb line |
| 03:14.12 | JeffM | your server isn't :) |
| 03:14.24 | Propane_Tank | thats what neosurge says |
| 03:14.28 | JeffM | you load spiked at like 11 clients |
| 03:14.37 | JeffM | the MACHIEN is on 100 megs, that's for all the VMs it runs |
| 03:14.53 | JeffM | you get a fraction of that |
| 03:15.19 | JeffM | yeah at 29 clients you stopped responding |
| 03:15.45 | Propane_Tank | i have no problem hosting 20+ peeps on bzflag |
| 03:15.54 | JeffM | that was just HTTP |
| 03:16.03 | JeffM | it will be a lot worse for bzfs |
| 03:16.20 | JeffM | the VPS systems are usualy set up for bursting, not sustaned CPU/bandwith use |
| 03:17.00 | JeffM | that is your site's report, http://loadimpact.com/load-test/blog.haydendwire.me-9fe8415366aa0addd04dbaae71cf491b |
| 03:19.04 | blast007 | there's other web servers that use less RAM |
| 03:19.12 | blast007 | pretty much any of them, actually ;) |
| 03:19.32 | JeffM | ok it just started hitting the wiki |
| 03:20.48 | blast007 | apache sucks up a lot of RAM due to all the forking |
| 03:21.18 | JeffM | I got rid of a lot of ram when I changed it's threading mode |
| 03:22.15 | blast007 | meaning, you switched away from mpm-prefork? |
| 03:22.28 | JeffM | I think |
| 03:22.38 | JeffM | whatever it dosn't do by default I changed to that |
| 03:22.58 | JeffM | wiki is holding pretty good, it had some lag spikes but has recovered at nearly 40 connections |
| 03:23.52 | blast007 | 300MB into swap now ;) |
| 03:23.57 | JeffM | HUGE spike |
| 03:24.37 | JeffM | still it got to 50 connections and didn't die |
| 03:24.46 | JeffM | http://loadimpact.com/load-test/wiki.bzflag.org-5ce9d1f8ed83ecd6813ce43114565a23 |
| 03:28.20 | JeffM | the wiki did a lot better then Propane_Tank's site :) |
| 03:29.03 | blast007 | APC cache helps out |
| 03:29.42 | JeffM | heck it's doing better then bb |
| 03:30.02 | JeffM | bb is like linear, each conenction adds load time |
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| 03:32.03 | JeffM | thats bb |
| 03:32.05 | JeffM | http://loadimpact.com/load-test/my.bzflag.org-049660f3c989ada3c48592bbe7742bf2 |
| 03:32.30 | blast007 | nice |
| 03:32.52 | JeffM | wiki did way better, caching kept the load time flat for most of it |
| 03:33.38 | blast007 | we'll see how typical RAM usage is once the forum is moved |
| 03:33.48 | blast007 | might need to bump up to 1GB |
| 03:33.59 | Propane_Tank | holy shit! my load average for the last minute is 45. (ran aother test) |
| 03:34.06 | blast007 | language |
| 03:34.10 | JeffM | please |
| 03:34.31 | JeffM | yeah your machine is running on the edge of what it can do just at idle |
| 03:34.46 | Propane_Tank | my idle load average is around 028 |
| 03:34.49 | Propane_Tank | 0.28* |
| 03:40.02 | Propane_Tank | if i added more apache processes, would that help or no? |
| 03:40.24 | Propane_Tank | right now i have a minimum spare at 1, initial at 1, and max spare at 4 |
| 03:40.34 | Propane_Tank | and max requests per process at 100 |
| 03:40.47 | JeffM | that's just going to eat your ram |
| 03:41.01 | Propane_Tank | but would it increase load times? |
| 03:41.08 | Propane_Tank | err, decrease? |
| 03:41.20 | JeffM | no because the system would be thrashing swap |
| 03:41.32 | blast007 | thrashing swap more* ;) |
| 03:41.35 | JeffM | so all the ram they would be using would be on disk |
| 03:41.36 | JeffM | yeah |
| 03:41.42 | Propane_Tank | k. what about 10000 max requests per process |
| 03:41.47 | JeffM | disk speeds are orders of mag slower then ram |
| 03:41.50 | blast007 | Propane_Tank: no |
| 03:41.56 | JeffM | get a real machine |
| 03:41.56 | blast007 | you don't understand what that setting does |
| 03:41.59 | Propane_Tank | so in other words, move to linode? |
| 03:42.09 | blast007 | that's not how many it handles at once |
| 03:42.14 | Propane_Tank | idle load average on linode is 0.0 |
| 03:42.22 | blast007 | I think that's how many a child will process before that child is killed off and a new one is spawned |
| 03:42.58 | Propane_Tank | the reason i don't want to move is i get half the transfer for way more money |
| 03:43.16 | blast007 | I'd recommend looking at lighttpd or cherokee |
| 03:43.17 | Propane_Tank | that and i don't care to set up camp all over again |
| 03:43.22 | blast007 | play around with them locally |
| 03:43.38 | Propane_Tank | and i like the homey feeling of apache :) |
| 03:43.41 | blast007 | bit different getting them set up if you use stuff like mod_rewrite |
| 03:43.43 | JeffM | yeah if you are set on using apache and that many services you may just need to get a real machine |
| 03:43.46 | JeffM | or at least a blade |
| 03:44.01 | Propane_Tank | i don't have the money tho |
| 03:44.06 | JeffM | then don't host as much |
| 03:44.18 | JeffM | you can't put 10 lbs of sand in a 5 lb bag ;) |
| 03:44.26 | Propane_Tank | i can't cut back any. besides canning moodle |
| 03:44.43 | Propane_Tank | i |
| 03:44.43 | JeffM | then it's going to be slow at some point |
| 03:44.50 | JeffM | nature of the beast |
| 03:44.54 | Propane_Tank | i'm runnning 11 virtual servers |
| 03:44.58 | blast007 | JeffM: if a bag weighs 5lbs, it's probably a pretty big bag |
| 03:45.00 | blast007 | ducks |
| 03:45.06 | JeffM | heh |
| 03:45.52 | blast007 | how much dirt is in a hole 2 feet wide, 3 feet long, and 1.5 feet deep? |
| 03:46.20 | blast007 | quick Propane_Tank |
| 03:46.50 | delusional | I'll give ya dirt |
| 03:47.21 | Propane_Tank | well for one, it's a hole |
| 03:47.38 | blast007 | what's for two? |
| 03:48.15 | Propane_Tank | lol. smart ass |
| 03:49.25 | blast007 | cherokee has web-based configuration |
| 03:50.28 | Propane_Tank | if they have a webmin module, it's not as bad |
| 03:51.07 | blast007 | why would you need a webmin module? |
| 03:51.21 | blast007 | they have their OWN web-based configuration |
| 03:51.28 | Propane_Tank | hey now... |
| 03:51.31 | blast007 | webmin just eats up your valuable RAM |
| 03:51.36 | Propane_Tank | how old is this processor? Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X3440 @ 2.53GHz |
| 03:51.43 | Propane_Tank | thats what in my vps |
| 03:51.48 | blast007 | google it |
| 03:51.53 | blast007 | I bet the ark knows |
| 03:53.06 | Propane_Tank | 09. little old for a server |
| 03:53.06 | Propane_Tank | ? |
| 03:53.33 | blast007 | that's when it was first produced |
| 03:53.40 | blast007 | they sell CPUs for more than 2 months |
| 03:53.59 | Propane_Tank | this is almost '12 |
| 03:54.56 | JeffM | it's a vps you don't get all the CPU anyway |
| 03:55.04 | JeffM | you are capped |
| 03:55.19 | blast007 | how many cores show up? |
| 03:56.18 | Propane_Tank | 1 |
| 03:56.20 | blast007 | four show up in mine, though I don't actually know how that gets handled by Xen |
| 03:56.34 | JeffM | that's from the CPU ID stuff |
| 03:56.43 | JeffM | so that's probably what you are actualy running on |
| 03:56.51 | JeffM | just xen limits how much time you get |
| 03:57.04 | blast007 | yeah |
| 03:57.04 | Propane_Tank | neosurge they claim you get all the resources you pay for. linode tho is more shared is seems, but it's also a more beefer cpu |
| 03:57.04 | JeffM | and how many of your threads run |
| 03:57.14 | blast007 | Propane_Tank might be on OpenVZ instead of Xen, too |
| 03:57.20 | JeffM | you arn't paying for a full CPU ;) |
| 03:57.21 | Propane_Tank | neo is xen |
| 03:57.37 | blast007 | k |
| 03:57.41 | blast007 | which Xen though? |
| 03:57.43 | Propane_Tank | We utilize Xen based virtualization technologies. This allows us to guarantee that you will be able to use the CPU, ram and disk you pay for. |
| 03:57.49 | Propane_Tank | from neo website |
| 03:57.55 | JeffM | and how much cpu do you pay for? |
| 03:58.03 | Propane_Tank | 2.53GHz on 1 core |
| 03:58.19 | JeffM | I doubt you get that if your load is so high at idle |
| 03:58.35 | Propane_Tank | 0.19 |
| 03:58.39 | Propane_Tank | load average last minute |
| 03:58.44 | blast007 | maybe it's kswap using all that CPU time at idle ;) |
| 03:58.50 | blast007 | kswapd* |
| 03:59.40 | Propane_Tank | top of cpu usage. 13846 root 4.0 % /home/propane/webmin/proc/index_cpu.cgi |
| 03:59.46 | Propane_Tank | thats webmin |
| 03:59.56 | Propane_Tank | everything else is 0 |
| 04:00.10 | JeffM | untill it gets hit |
| 04:00.23 | JeffM | during at test what is highest? |
| 04:00.26 | blast007 | how much RAM is webmin using? |
| 04:01.03 | Propane_Tank | 18740 kB |
| 04:01.08 | blast007 | and how did you check CPU usage? |
| 04:01.17 | Propane_Tank | this is my vpn 40076 kB |
| 04:01.27 | Propane_Tank | using webmin processes screen |
| 04:02.28 | Propane_Tank | just me switching bewteen memory and cpu is bring my load average up a bit every other time around |
| 04:02.34 | JeffM | try not using webmin |
| 04:03.01 | Propane_Tank | not gonna happen. |
| 04:03.07 | JeffM | just ssh in |
| 04:03.20 | blast007 | and don't SSH in using webmin ;) |
| 04:03.27 | Propane_Tank | i use putty |
| 04:03.41 | Propane_Tank | online ssh things are ehh |
| 04:03.47 | Propane_Tank | i've never gotten the webmin one to work |
| 04:03.48 | JeffM | I didn't mean not use webmin, I mean ssh in and check the CPU not using webmin |
| 04:03.56 | JeffM | use top or something |
| 04:04.02 | Propane_Tank | top is confusing |
| 04:04.04 | JeffM | so you don't skew your results |
| 04:04.12 | JeffM | webmin is eating the CPU when it checks |
| 04:04.17 | Propane_Tank | i use uptime to check load average |
| 04:04.40 | blast007 | top shows it as well |
| 04:05.20 | JeffM | yeah my loadtime spiked at 30 connections but at least it didn't die |
| 04:05.31 | Propane_Tank | it would probably benefit me too to uninstall or kill processes that i don't even use. i never uninstalled anything when i got it |
| 04:05.46 | Propane_Tank | i just added to it |
| 04:06.45 | Propane_Tank | what apparmour even do? |
| 04:08.41 | Propane_Tank | how do you leave top? |
| 04:08.41 | blast007 | google it |
| 04:08.44 | blast007 | q |
| 04:09.26 | blast007 | you could probably shave off 50 to 100 MB of RAM usage by turning off InnoDB support if you don't need it |
| 04:10.04 | JeffM | that's what I'll be doing next |
| 04:10.06 | Propane_Tank | what does that do? i prolly don't even use it |
| 04:10.27 | JeffM | you really should learn how things work if you are going to admin so many things |
| 04:10.35 | Propane_Tank | good point |
| 04:10.50 | Propane_Tank | iptables are really confusing, but should prolly be learned |
| 04:10.51 | JeffM | it's a database system that mysql uses |
| 04:11.05 | JeffM | and it has advantages and disadvantages |
| 04:11.34 | JeffM | if webmin is your crutch then you will never make it as a sysadmin |
| 04:11.54 | blast007 | I don't bother with iptables |
| 04:12.03 | blast007 | for the most part anyway |
| 04:12.11 | Propane_Tank | i use webmin to configure software such as apache. |
| 04:12.20 | blast007 | I use vim to do that |
| 04:12.22 | JeffM | and you said your idle load average is like .28, just for comparison mine is 0.01 |
| 04:12.38 | JeffM | just edit the vhosts files |
| 04:12.40 | JeffM | it's easy |
| 04:12.47 | blast007 | aww, that's lower than my dedicated server ;) my dedi is 0.07 |
| 04:12.48 | JeffM | webmin makes crappy vhosts |
| 04:12.58 | Propane_Tank | it works |
| 04:12.58 | blast007 | though it's running a L4D2 server |
| 04:13.03 | JeffM | it dosn't work well |
| 04:13.09 | Propane_Tank | well enough |
| 04:13.15 | JeffM | for no connections :) |
| 04:13.22 | blast007 | vhosts are not complicated... |
| 04:13.27 | Propane_Tank | true. but i don't get any hits anyways |
| 04:13.36 | JeffM | would not hire you as a sysadmin :) |
| 04:13.46 | Propane_Tank | i'm not looking for a job :P |
| 04:13.47 | JeffM | would hire blast007 in a heartbeat |
| 04:14.10 | Propane_Tank | i don't think you'd hire a 16 year old anyways... |
| 04:14.16 | JeffM | nope |
| 04:14.19 | JeffM | well we may |
| 04:14.25 | JeffM | junior IT |
| 04:14.31 | blast007 | tag, you're IT |
| 04:14.40 | JeffM | everyone needs a monkey |
| 04:14.59 | JeffM | our current monkey is gettin too smart |
| 04:15.02 | blast007 | and he's already shown he's capable of mashing on the keyboard |
| 04:15.24 | blast007 | soon he'll have reproduced all of Shakespear's works |
| 04:15.50 | JeffM | the real one? or the gay/awesome one in Stardust? |
| 04:16.14 | blast007 | load on bzflag.org is 0.01 as well :) |
| 04:16.28 | JeffM | what is it on .bz? |
| 04:16.32 | JeffM | FOUR |
| 04:17.27 | blast007 | 0.9 right now |
| 04:17.39 | blast007 | it was around 13 or 15 when you were testing it |
| 04:19.01 | blast007 | load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 ;D |
| 04:19.07 | blast007 | (my dedi) |
| 04:19.22 | JeffM | .9????? |
| 04:19.26 | JeffM | ouch |
| 04:19.43 | blast007 | yeah, .bz at .9 is a low value ;) |
| 04:19.56 | blast007 | woah, .55 now |
| 04:20.05 | Propane_Tank | you have trust blast? |
| 04:20.08 | Propane_Tank | for vps |
| 04:20.09 | blast007 | for the 5 second average, anyway (that's the first number, right?) |
| 04:20.20 | blast007 | Propane_Tank: no, I have thrust |
| 04:20.35 | JeffM | the first is 1 min |
| 04:20.40 | JeffM | 1 5 15 |
| 04:20.42 | Propane_Tank | thats what i ment. do you have zen or vz? |
| 04:21.05 | blast007 | Propane_Tank: I have Zen HVM |
| 04:21.20 | blast007 | HVM gets you less usable RAM though |
| 04:21.28 | blast007 | since there's more overhead |
| 04:21.39 | Propane_Tank | i can only get uk for zen |
| 04:22.03 | blast007 | you in the advanced packages? |
| 04:22.07 | Propane_Tank | yeah... |
| 04:22.30 | blast007 | $15/month gets you 1GB RAM, 30GB disk |
| 04:22.39 | blast007 | the Mystic package |
| 04:22.47 | blast007 | they're out of the Aquatic ones |
| 04:23.11 | Propane_Tank | 12.95 for mysic |
| 04:23.23 | blast007 | then you're not in HVM |
| 04:23.54 | Propane_Tank | i am... |
| 04:24.14 | blast007 | you're in the UK ones |
| 04:24.19 | blast007 | I was looking at the US ones |
| 04:24.20 | Propane_Tank | dalas is 15... |
| 04:24.34 | Propane_Tank | whats wrong with UK? |
| 04:24.49 | blast007 | are you closer to the UK or the US? :) |
| 04:24.55 | Propane_Tank | east coast or dallas...or does not matter? |
| 04:26.08 | Propane_Tank | can't i use godaddy name servers and such for thrust? |
| 04:26.29 | JeffM | wow, you really don't know how the internet works do you? |
| 04:27.55 | blast007 | the registration form for thrustvps is a bit odd |
| 04:28.05 | blast007 | asks for name servers, when I don't see why it needs them |
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| 04:31.30 | JeffM | do you have to convert INODB to myasm on a per table basis? |
| 04:32.04 | blast007 | probably |
| 04:32.23 | JeffM | hmm that'll be a pain for a mediawiki |
| 04:32.44 | blast007 | http://serverfault.com/questions/245761/simpler-way-to-convert-all-tables-from-innodb-to-myisam |
| 04:33.20 | JeffM | do the sites that use the db care what the backend is? |
| 04:33.28 | blast007 | sometimes |
| 04:33.42 | blast007 | InnoDB has features that don't exist in MyISAM |
| 04:33.57 | JeffM | all I really got is a media wiki and 2 wordpresses |
| 04:34.23 | blast007 | InnoDB has "ACID-compliant transaction" and foreign key support |
| 04:34.31 | blast007 | does wordpress use it? |
| 04:34.39 | JeffM | no clue |
| 04:34.43 | blast007 | I know media wiki does |
| 04:35.00 | blast007 | a 'show tables' in the mysql client will show the storage engine |
| 04:35.02 | JeffM | I may move the data from the media wiki to a different wiki |
| 04:35.49 | Propane_Tank | what a pain in the ass. you have to install the OS yourself... |
| 04:36.01 | JeffM | thats the only way to get what you want |
| 04:36.44 | Propane_Tank | linode and neosurge you just pick the OS image you want and wait about 5 min and it's ready to go |
| 04:37.01 | Propane_Tank | whats LVM in the ubuntu installation? |
| 04:37.07 | blast007 | for HVM, yeah, you install the OS |
| 04:37.20 | blast007 | if you didn't want to have to do that, you shouldn't have picked HVM |
| 04:37.28 | blast007 | that's kinda the point of picking that option |
| 04:37.42 | Propane_Tank | i didn't know what that was. |
| 04:37.54 | blast007 | ..... |
| 04:38.18 | Propane_Tank | should i use LVM? |
| 04:38.34 | blast007 | doesn't really matter |
| 04:38.39 | blast007 | just use it |
| 04:45.32 | Propane_Tank | i like it how it says beta in the thrust logo |
| 04:57.40 | Propane_Tank | i really do like thrust better already. i think i'm gonna for sure drop linode and neosurge. later all. i'll test for a few days. |
| 05:05.25 | JeffM | more money then sense |
| 05:06.47 | JeffM | there we go, one spamproof wiki |
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| 20:45.09 | a_meteorite | a grand moment |
| 20:45.39 | a_meteorite | just waiting on 66666 |
| 20:58.07 | AAA_awright | When it'll be 3 times more developed? |
| 21:00.44 | JeffM | revision of the beast |
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| 22:28.58 | blast007 | forum migration is starting now |
| 23:46.32 | blast007 | that went pretty smoothly, so it seems at least :) |
| 23:46.42 | blast007 | just need to reapply the mods at some point |
| 23:47.07 | blast007 | the forum theme will be the stock prosilver instead of our modified proFormell for now |
| 23:47.32 | blast007 | there was some bug in the proFormell theme that made the "you have a new PM" overlay show up on every page view even if you didn't have one |
| 23:47.39 | blast007 | in the latest version of it, that is |
| 23:47.51 | JeffM | I'll make you a logo to drop into it |
| 23:48.17 | JeffM | what did we have before? just the icon? |
| 23:48.52 | mdskpr_ | blast007: tried to login, killed my browser... |
| 23:48.53 | blast007 | let me check |
| 23:49.01 | JeffM | hmm gotta go to 7 to get PS, brb |
| 23:49.23 | blast007 | mdskpr_: first of all, the forum is disabled right now. second, get a browser that doesn't suck ;) |
| 23:49.43 | blast007 | my.bzflag.org is still pointing the old server as well |
| 23:49.50 | blast007 | I'm not done migrating stuff |
| 23:50.01 | blast007 | still need to migrate the list server |
| 23:50.33 | blast007 | and I'll be killing off my.bzflag.org as much as possible, leaving only legacy features we need to keep stuff working |
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| 23:59.04 | blast007 | JeffM: you can see what it was at m.b.o again (I set the old site back to the old style) |
| 23:59.35 | JeffM | ahh a variant of our start up logo |