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| 00:39.39 | Tanx | any zig admins? |
| 00:42.35 | blast007 | sup? |
| 00:44.31 | Tanx | need one |
| 00:44.48 | Tanx | nvrmnd |
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| 02:14.31 | remote | hello |
| 02:14.58 | remote | does anyone have an idea how to evaluate if a server would be appropriate for hosting a bzflag server? |
| 02:15.30 | blast007 | big thing is bandwidth, latency, and jitter |
| 02:15.39 | blast007 | bzfs doesn't use much CPU, and not much RAM |
| 02:16.16 | blast007 | remote: what kind of specs are you looking at? |
| 02:16.43 | short_circuit | I used to host 3 bzfs instances on a linux box on a k6-2 500 mhz box running debian sarge. I doubt much has change.. so yeah |
| 02:16.52 | remote | i'm thinking about this https://secure.iweb.com/en/smartServer/smartServer/?id=7eb97414b1ee08fa680c9700bf21c376 |
| 02:17.01 | remote | but i'm worried about the network location |
| 02:17.06 | short_circuit | At times I had up to 12 players on sum |
| 02:17.19 | blast007 | that link doesn't work here |
| 02:17.23 | blast007 | "expired session" |
| 02:17.27 | remote | i mean, i would want it to be as good as most servers out there |
| 02:17.29 | remote | hold on |
| 02:17.37 | remote | http://iweb.com/dedicated/smart-servers/how-to-choose/ |
| 02:17.45 | remote | Intel Dual-Core |
| 02:17.46 | remote | i3-540 3.06GHz H/T |
| 02:18.08 | blast007 | let's put it this way |
| 02:18.13 | remote | it seems almost impossible to know if the network would be good before getting my hands on the server |
| 02:18.14 | blast007 | you could host every single server on the list :P |
| 02:18.29 | short_circuit | ;) |
| 02:18.35 | remote | yes but i'm worried about network |
| 02:18.51 | remote | i would like aussies to be able to play with americans |
| 02:18.59 | blast007 | that's easy |
| 02:19.02 | remote | isn't there a possible solution to make this possible? |
| 02:19.08 | blast007 | buy them a one way plane ticket to the US |
| 02:19.18 | remote | without always having aussies lag or the opposite |
| 02:19.29 | blast007 | meh |
| 02:19.36 | blast007 | the speed of light is only so fast |
| 02:19.44 | remote | like host two servers one in au one in us with a direct link or something? |
| 02:19.58 | remote | or would even a good link between both end up in 250+ms delay? |
| 02:20.02 | blast007 | that'd still add the same amount of lag |
| 02:20.13 | blast007 | and you'd have to write all the code to do that ;) |
| 02:20.20 | blast007 | we don't have servers that "link" |
| 02:20.31 | remote | well it could be the same server but au connect to a different ip and us to a different ip |
| 02:20.39 | blast007 | no, that would be two servers |
| 02:20.40 | remote | i know i just don't know the term |
| 02:20.45 | blast007 | it's not magic |
| 02:20.58 | blast007 | a server is in a physical location |
| 02:20.59 | short_circuit | light can only circle earth... what?? 8 times a second? Maybe less |
| 02:21.03 | blast007 | it can't be in two places at once |
| 02:21.05 | short_circuit | Ah.. 7.4 |
| 02:21.24 | blast007 | short_circuit: yeah, but keep in mind it's not making a direct route either |
| 02:21.25 | blast007 | ;) |
| 02:21.27 | short_circuit | And then there is latency in each hub |
| 02:21.32 | blast007 | yep |
| 02:21.37 | blast007 | processing at hops |
| 02:21.38 | short_circuit | yep yep |
| 02:21.39 | remote | yes but if they can connect directly to a server in AU that has a good link to the US server that is better than the connection they would initialize them selves it would be better wouldn't it? |
| 02:22.01 | remote | like a relay |
| 02:22.07 | remote | not possible? |
| 02:22.16 | blast007 | if you put a server in AU, then people in the US will have to connect to a server in AU |
| 02:22.28 | blast007 | so then they will all have the 200 ms of lag |
| 02:22.31 | blast007 | or more |
| 02:22.31 | remote | no the AU server would relay the connections instead of the clients |
| 02:22.44 | blast007 | again, then you're talking about TWO servers |
| 02:22.45 | short_circuit | Putting minimum latency (in a perfect world) WELL over 100ms |
| 02:22.50 | blast007 | and we do not have a system to handle that |
| 02:22.54 | remote | yes but one bzflag server |
| 02:22.55 | blast007 | you would have to write your own game servers |
| 02:22.57 | remote | but two servers |
| 02:22.57 | blast007 | no |
| 02:23.02 | blast007 | that's not how it works |
| 02:23.07 | remote | it can be |
| 02:23.12 | remote | come on i know that much |
| 02:23.14 | blast007 | RIGHT, if you WRITE that code |
| 02:23.18 | short_circuit | o_O |
| 02:23.24 | remote | no if you forward the connections |
| 02:23.31 | blast007 | how is that any better? |
| 02:23.48 | blast007 | that'd probably be slower, actually |
| 02:23.49 | remote | if the link is better between AU->US than AU-client->US |
| 02:23.53 | blast007 | and very expensive |
| 02:23.54 | short_circuit | Information is still only moving at the speed of light + technology |
| 02:23.59 | remote | maybe 200$ month |
| 02:24.05 | blast007 | AU servers tend to be expensive and not have much bandwidth |
| 02:24.07 | short_circuit | meh. Maybe I'll hush |
| 02:24.07 | remote | worth it if it would help my 100ms |
| 02:24.20 | remote | s/my/by |
| 02:24.20 | blast007 | you'd maybe save 20ms tops ;) |
| 02:24.26 | remote | yeah true ;-) |
| 02:24.42 | blast007 | and you wouldn't be able to ban individual players from the game server |
| 02:24.48 | blast007 | you'd have to firewall them from the relay |
| 02:24.52 | remote | you'd have to do on server side |
| 02:24.53 | short_circuit | The BEST euro servers I played on from the BEST connections I've found in the US still yielded well over 100ms latency |
| 02:24.56 | remote | yeah ;-) |
| 02:25.03 | blast007 | I don't think it's worth it |
| 02:25.06 | short_circuit | or lag |
| 02:25.15 | remote | probably not but it makes for a good conversation anyway ;-) |
| 02:25.23 | blast007 | you can polish a turd, but it will still smell |
| 02:25.25 | short_circuit | eh.... |
| 02:25.27 | remote | haha |
| 02:25.28 | short_circuit | lmao |
| 02:25.50 | blast007 | and you have to buy a new rag .. |
| 02:26.00 | remote | rag? |
| 02:26.00 | short_circuit | I've polished a few turds in my time... It might make you feel better but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar... I mean... yeah |
| 02:26.07 | blast007 | the polishing rag |
| 02:26.13 | short_circuit | rag. turd. polish. dirty |
| 02:26.28 | remote | alright |
| 02:26.47 | short_circuit | Can't find enough good players local? |
| 02:27.08 | remote | sure but i wish i could see how i match au minus the lag |
| 02:27.17 | blast007 | s/good// s/local// |
| 02:27.22 | short_circuit | Ah... |
| 02:27.23 | short_circuit | ic |
| 02:27.25 | short_circuit | well... |
| 02:27.28 | short_circuit | Plane tickets |
| 02:27.37 | remote | bz meetup au |
| 02:27.42 | short_circuit | :) |
| 02:27.43 | remote | sometime... sometime... |
| 02:27.49 | short_circuit | right! Mate! |
| 02:27.53 | blast007 | yeah, and then we all get mugged |
| 02:28.12 | blast007 | gun control ftl |
| 02:28.13 | short_circuit | wants some Au beer |
| 02:28.14 | remote | guys |
| 02:28.20 | remote | i've been wondering about bzflag lately |
| 02:28.38 | remote | it's such a great game but something is preventing it from being more popular |
| 02:28.42 | remote | why do you think? |
| 02:28.50 | remote | the concept is just amazing |
| 02:28.58 | remote | but there aren't enough players |
| 02:29.01 | blast007 | no management? :) |
| 02:29.19 | remote | what about you for example? |
| 02:29.24 | remote | you're a developer right? |
| 02:29.27 | blast007 | ~dns my.bzflag.org |
| 02:29.29 | short_circuit | Imho.. things have changed.... Management is one thing... But times are times... people are focused on a bad economy... It's hard out there |
| 02:29.33 | blast007 | ~dns forums.bzflag.org |
| 02:29.43 | blast007 | see the m.b.o address? |
| 02:29.44 | remote | hard for a free game? |
| 02:29.52 | blast007 | I asked for that to be changed on Sunday |
| 02:29.55 | short_circuit | I'm losing at least 3 hours a day to make up for what has happened in the global economy these last few years |
| 02:29.57 | blast007 | to be the same as the forums one |
| 02:30.21 | blast007 | and the one that controls that is also the "maintainer" of the game |
| 02:30.34 | remote | which is? |
| 02:30.38 | blast007 | Tim |
| 02:30.48 | remote | oh i tought he wasn't even playing the game |
| 02:30.54 | blast007 | he doesn't afaik |
| 02:30.57 | short_circuit | I just don't have the time I used to to tinker with linux kernel builds, bzflag builds and tests, and of course.. getting on a good server and hammering away on CTF or Rabbit or FFA |
| 02:31.08 | blast007 | but he's the copyright holder, the project maintainer, the owner of the domains, controller of DNS |
| 02:31.17 | remote | isn't it under GPL? |
| 02:31.25 | blast007 | LGPL |
| 02:31.30 | remote | so? can't fork that? |
| 02:31.35 | blast007 | could |
| 02:31.38 | blast007 | but not worth it |
| 02:31.58 | blast007 | if we're gonna start a new game, it'd be better to just start with a clean codebase |
| 02:31.59 | remote | if i had a lot of monies i'd spent half of it on a revamp of bzflag |
| 02:32.02 | short_circuit | Not enough interested in devel? |
| 02:32.04 | remote | yep |
| 02:33.01 | remote | with a modern bzflag clone one could even charge for the game |
| 02:33.09 | blast007 | that's the idea |
| 02:33.15 | remote | i've often imagined bzflag with some arcade-like features |
| 02:33.23 | short_circuit | People wanna play 5 minutes of "kill yourself" on their Itouch rather than something more contributory |
| 02:33.47 | remote | eh |
| 02:33.50 | blast007 | remote: read the stuff here: http://www.opencombat.net/wiki/wikka.php?wakka=Main |
| 02:33.54 | short_circuit | While sitting waiting for their appointment. |
| 02:34.00 | blast007 | that's some of Jeff's ideas for how a new game could be run |
| 02:34.04 | short_circuit | doc, stylist, brake job, etc |
| 02:34.18 | remote | blast007: who started this? |
| 02:34.23 | remote | oh |
| 02:34.28 | short_circuit | whatever that stupid game is where you look for ways to get damaged |
| 02:35.16 | remote | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.26 | blast007 | yeah |
| 02:35.32 | remote | why? |
| 02:35.34 | blast007 | advantage is one binary for all the platforms |
| 02:35.43 | remote | i can run C# on linux? |
| 02:35.46 | blast007 | yeah |
| 02:35.48 | remote | ah. |
| 02:35.49 | blast007 | mono |
| 02:35.52 | remote | oh yeah |
| 02:36.03 | blast007 | so we can easily keep all the platforms fully up to date |
| 02:36.10 | remote | the company i work is developing mostly in C# |
| 02:36.22 | remote | so i am being judgmental |
| 02:36.24 | remote | :) |
| 02:37.26 | remote | can i edit that wiki? |
| 02:37.55 | blast007 | the spammers were, so I think you could :) |
| 02:38.15 | remote | i had a lot of ideas on proper league system |
| 02:38.28 | remote | i think it could be supported by the client, and probably should |
| 02:38.32 | remote | err |
| 02:38.34 | remote | client/server |
| 02:38.45 | blast007 | yeah, his idea would integrate it into the system as a proper feature |
| 02:38.59 | blast007 | leagues would be hosted by the project for a fee |
| 02:39.10 | remote | i want features that would allow maximum matching, like official match between non-team members |
| 02:39.15 | blast007 | and then get access to private league game instances |
| 02:39.25 | remote | and points are attributed based on different stats to the respective teams |
| 02:39.56 | remote | i wrote that to zaphod a while back he wanted to bring it up somewhere but never did |
| 02:40.08 | remote | what's jeff's e-mail? |
| 02:40.13 | remote | i'll forward it to him |
| 02:40.23 | blast007 | you could probably email his SF.net email |
| 02:40.41 | remote | ok |
| 02:41.04 | remote | ehhh |
| 02:41.08 | remote | 12/14/09 |
| 02:41.11 | remote | time goes on... |
| 02:41.25 | blast007 | email format is username@users.sourceforge.net |
| 02:41.53 | blast007 | and his is jeffm2501 |
| 02:42.00 | remote | thanks |
| 02:45.52 | remote | what's your e-mail? |
| 02:47.18 | remote | nevermind i found it |
| 02:48.52 | short_circuit | uh oh |
| 02:49.41 | remote | i think it makes you sound smart to say something like "it could and probably should" |
| 02:49.52 | remote | i'll try to use that more often |
| 02:50.39 | remote | it's kind of like wearing a tie |
| 02:50.50 | remote | in the sense that if you're an idiot people don't notice right away :D |
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| 02:59.09 | short_circuit | heh |
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| 12:05.12 | delusional | heh, that's a good one. |
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| 16:01.04 | JeffM | ok that's a big backlog with somethin flashy in it with my name, should I bother reading it? |
| 16:06.09 | JeffM | ahh there is an email |
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| 17:43.01 | blast007 | bleh, even 60MB isn't enough for my APC cache, it seems |
| 17:45.47 | blast007 | bumps it to 240MB for now :P |
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| 19:07.32 | Cobra_Fast | are global groups ingame broken or something? |
| 19:08.23 | Cobra_Fast | or the server change lemme try |
| 19:13.16 | Cobra_Fast | not the dns, stuff is broken, apparently |
| 19:14.03 | Cobra_Fast | weirdly it just doesnt add new group members, the old ones are still there |
| 19:18.20 | JeffM | it is because we need the DNS to be changed IIRC |
| 19:18.22 | JeffM | and tim is gone |
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| 20:01.05 | blast007 | Cobra_Fast: my.bzflag.org still points to the old server, so it's still using the database there |
| 20:01.49 | Cobra_Fast | i figured that out |
| 20:12.01 | BulletCatcher | If the live database on forums.bzflag.org were copied back to my.bzflag.org it would make the latest changes visible to the game servers. |
| 20:13.24 | blast007 | true |
| 20:31.02 | blast007 | JeffM: I found something that's even more memory hungry than Mediawiki. Moodle. |
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| 20:37.34 | blast007 | wonder how "simple" simplepie.class.php is when the opcode cache is 3.7MB ... |
| 20:49.18 | JeffM | what do you need moodle for? |
| 20:55.41 | Propane_Tank | blast007: i coulda told ya moodle was rather memory hungry |
| 21:02.24 | blast007 | JeffM: I work at a school :) |
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| 21:36.50 | JeffM | blast007, come here get a real job :) |
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| 22:08.07 | blast007 | :P |
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