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| 13:16.43 | I_Died_Once | The list server is down |
| 13:24.42 | blast007 | I don't know why it keeps doing this ... |
| 13:25.14 | blast007 | I shouldn't have to restart apache every 30 minutes :/ |
| 13:25.29 | I_Died_Once | make a cron job of it? |
| 13:25.36 | blast007 | that's not a solution |
| 13:25.41 | I_Died_Once | heh i know |
| 13:25.49 | I_Died_Once | band-aid, not a fix |
| 13:27.08 | I_Died_Once | sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 13:28.25 | I_Died_Once | sudo apt-get --help |
| 13:30.13 | blast007 | I'm pondering if I need to roll back a version of apache, or the linux kernel |
| 13:30.19 | blast007 | wasn't doing this until I upgraded them |
| 13:30.50 | blast007 | or switch back to a normal MySQL instead of Mariadb |
| 13:32.08 | blast007 | it seems to establish the connection, but then it hangs there |
| 13:32.32 | brad | can you connect to the database through other means? |
| 13:32.58 | blast007 | the database is probably fine |
| 13:33.10 | blast007 | I can't even get to static content on the web server |
| 13:33.15 | brad | x_x |
| 13:33.27 | brad | time to ditch apache at last?:p |
| 13:35.54 | blast007 | seems like it's getting stuck in database stuff |
| 13:36.09 | blast007 | 26 connected threads, all sleeping |
| 13:37.02 | brad | does mariadb have a slow query log? |
| 13:37.40 | blast007 | yeah |
| 13:37.44 | blast007 | but these aren't doing queries |
| 13:37.47 | blast007 | they're idle |
| 13:38.04 | brad | o_o |
| 13:39.45 | blast007 | reboots it :P |
| 13:40.04 | blast007 | always works for Windows! maybe linux finally managed to copy that feature too. |
| 13:41.58 | blast007 | we'll see if that resolves anything |
| 13:42.32 | brad | lol |
| 13:42.48 | blast007 | if not, the next thing will be turning off persistent connections to MySQL (some stuff uses mysql_pconnect, while others just use mysql_connect) |
| 13:43.06 | blast007 | and then the next thing after that will be booting to the old kernel |
| 13:43.38 | blast007 | and then after that, running around slamming into walls and yelling 'FOUND ONE!' |
| 13:43.45 | brad | lol |
| 13:44.10 | brad | lets hope the reboot fixes everything; |
| 13:44.32 | blast007 | I don't know, I'm sure I could find a lot of walls if I tried |
| 13:44.34 | blast007 | ;) |
| 13:44.43 | blast007 | maybe even the same ones over and over |
| 13:45.03 | brad | lol |
| 13:45.12 | blast007 | I have my network monitoring system here at work tracking the VPS |
| 13:45.22 | blast007 | so I should know if it stops serving HTTP requests again |
| 13:45.45 | brad | does the list server store data in memory? |
| 13:46.29 | brad | why does it keep losing servers? |
| 13:46.38 | blast007 | reading the docs on mysql_pconnect, I'm thinking that might be the problem |
| 13:46.51 | blast007 | it keeps losing servers because they can't say "add me!" |
| 13:46.57 | brad | ah |
| 13:47.06 | blast007 | and then they get flushed out because they haven't reported in 35 minutes or whatever the cutoff is |
| 13:47.11 | brad | alright |
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| 13:49.24 | blast007 | hmm, the mysql connection limit is 100, so maybe pconnect isn't the issue |
| 13:50.31 | blast007 | still something to try |
| 13:51.17 | blast007 | well, if it goes down again, someone ping me here |
| 13:51.35 | blast007 | I have PuTTY set to beep the PC speaker so I'll know it's here ;) |
| 13:52.53 | brad | lool |
| 13:53.10 | brad | will try that when you're asleep |
| 13:53.19 | blast007 | I don't sleep at work :P |
| 13:53.25 | brad | you don't?!? |
| 13:54.00 | blast007 | nah, the kids are too noisy, and bells ring every 45 minutes .. |
| 13:54.22 | brad | how do you set putty to beep on a hilight anyway? |
| 13:54.34 | blast007 | in the Bell configuration section |
| 13:54.58 | blast007 | it defaults to the system alert sound |
| 13:55.13 | blast007 | the PC speaker option also might not beep the little beeper on newer computers |
| 13:55.23 | blast007 | since most new computers don't actually *have* a beeper |
| 13:55.45 | blast007 | and 64-bit Windows, at least, redirects the beeper sound through to the sound card, so it comes out your speakers |
| 13:55.52 | brad | takes a look |
| 13:56.07 | blast007 | but I'm on a Pentium 4 with XP 32-bit, so I has teh beepah! |
| 13:56.10 | brad | ah right, I don't actually have speakers here, so that could be a problem |
| 13:58.08 | blast007 | if you're bored: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/larryosterman/archive/2010/01/04/what-s-up-with-the-beep-driver-in-windows-7.aspx |
| 14:03.04 | blast007 | and I had used this on one of my old laptops: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/138857 |
| 14:03.08 | blast007 | and it was terrible ;) |
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| 14:04.24 | brad | o_O |
| 14:04.38 | brad | wonders if it works with windows 7 |
| 14:04.45 | blast007 | yeah, I'm betting *no* |
| 14:04.49 | blast007 | doubt it even works in XP |
| 14:05.01 | brad | hehe |
| 14:06.11 | blast007 | the system I had it on was a 486 DX 75MHz with like 24MB of RAM running Windows 95 |
| 14:06.27 | blast007 | and there was no sound card, and no CD-ROM, and the drive was around 500MB |
| 14:07.53 | brad | I was bored so I downloaded speak.exe |
| 14:08.15 | brad | Copyright 1989-1990 xD |
| 14:08.19 | blast007 | :) |
| 14:08.29 | blast007 | I think it was a Windows 3.1 driver originally |
| 14:08.38 | brad | the installer runs |
| 14:08.47 | brad | (in command prompt) |
| 14:08.48 | blast007 | are you on 64-bit windows? |
| 14:08.52 | brad | 32bit |
| 14:08.54 | blast007 | ah |
| 14:09.10 | blast007 | I think it's a 16-bit application, so it probably won't run on 64-bit Windows ;) |
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| 14:09.28 | blast007 | 64-bit windows doesn't have the 16-bit subsystem |
| 14:09.31 | brad | Caution! Make sure that you are running this .EXE file in an empty directory or on a blank formatted diskette! |
| 14:09.38 | blast007 | ;D |
| 14:10.04 | blast007 | NOTE: I am not liable for making your computer unbootable. :P |
| 14:10.10 | brad | whats the worst that can happen *makes a new folder* |
| 14:10.15 | brad | ah its only a work computer. no worries. |
| 14:10.20 | blast007 | lol |
| 14:10.37 | blast007 | yeah, and then people like me have to fix your work computer :P |
| 14:10.57 | brad | lol |
| 14:11.18 | brad | well I have a windows7 install disk here too...:P |
| 14:11.41 | blast007 | "It's just a UPS tracking number, inside a .ZIP file, which contains a .EXE file. I don't remember having a package being shipped, but let's open it anyway!" |
| 14:11.51 | brad | lol |
| 14:12.22 | brad | yeah on second thoughts, do I really want an annoying beep badly enough to risk screwing up a computer |
| 14:12.53 | blast007 | what that did was let you play .wav files on your PC speaker |
| 14:12.57 | blast007 | it wasn't to enable beeps |
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| 14:13.13 | blast007 | and it didn't let you play just any sound in any software |
| 14:13.18 | brad | oh |
| 14:13.31 | blast007 | it worked with that little "Sound Recorder" program, but I'm not sure what else |
| 14:13.37 | brad | I thought "PCs without a sound card" would mean the beep thing |
| 14:13.48 | blast007 | right, it uses the beeper |
| 14:13.54 | blast007 | but it's not to make the computer go "beep" |
| 14:14.14 | brad | so you play proper sound files over the beeper? |
| 14:14.17 | blast007 | it's to play, say, the built in Windows sounds, or .wav files, over your PC speaker |
| 14:14.22 | blast007 | over the beeper |
| 14:14.26 | blast007 | yeah |
| 14:14.41 | brad | wow :-p |
| 14:15.10 | blast007 | and it either froze up the computer while playing the sounds, or it let you do stuff but produced choppy audio ;) |
| 14:15.19 | blast007 | you had the option to do one or the other |
| 14:15.54 | blast007 | so, yeah, I was mostly just doing it for the lulz |
| 14:16.39 | blast007 | anyone remember that old 'Hover' game that came on some Microsoft disk? |
| 14:16.53 | blast007 | can't recall if it was on a Windows disk, or a Microsoft Plus! disk, or what |
| 14:19.52 | blast007 | it was floating bumper cars with powerups trying to grab the enemy's flags before they could grab all of yours |
| 14:20.47 | blast007 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hover! |
| 14:23.23 | blast007 | and down goes the server again |
| 14:25.00 | brad | love the system requirements for that game |
| 14:27.27 | blast007 | ;) |
| 14:28.14 | blast007 | okay, persistent connections disabled.. we'll see if this works |
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| 18:32.46 | brad | blast007: pinggg its going sluggish, not completely gone though |
| 18:33.06 | brad | actually it appears to be gone now |
| 18:33.30 | brad | retracts all that - its back ;-) |
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| 18:40.43 | ska | I'm having trouble connecting |
| 18:57.32 | brad | odd, the list server is only bringing up 2.0 servers |
| 18:57.40 | brad | all 3 of them |
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| 19:19.01 | blast007 | bleh, I don't don't wtf is going on with it |
| 19:19.07 | Yrogirg | so, what's going on with the list server? |
| 19:19.22 | blast007 | it's not under load |
| 19:19.23 | JeffM | bzflag is canceled |
| 19:19.30 | blast007 | stuff just seems to be hanging for some reason |
| 19:19.41 | Yrogirg | seems you answered before I asked |
| 19:19.45 | blast007 | ;) |
| 19:19.53 | JeffM | people have been talking about it |
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| 19:20.04 | JeffM | cus it's a TOTALY stable software package :) |
| 19:20.15 | blast007 | crap load of connections to HTTP right now, but that's understandable since the servers are *trying* to talk to it |
| 19:21.08 | JeffM | time to convert it to nginx |
| 19:21.08 | blast007 | it's not out of RAM, and the load is almost literally 0 |
| 19:21.29 | JeffM | could be the ISP not dealing with the connections |
| 19:22.07 | blast007 | I'm just putting the apache connection stuff back to the defaults |
| 19:22.32 | blast007 | we'll see if it cooperates now |
| 19:22.41 | blast007 | I just don't get what's going on |
| 19:22.42 | randomparticle | snear at it |
| 19:22.44 | JeffM | looks better |
| 19:22.53 | blast007 | and I can check the server-status page cuz it won't even load that :P |
| 19:23.03 | JeffM | it just loaded the form for me |
| 19:23.16 | JeffM | unless I'm looking at the old one |
| 19:23.16 | blast007 | so it's not just PHP stuff that won't work, it's that apache stops serving requests |
| 19:23.19 | randomparticle | is back for me. nice |
| 19:23.24 | blast007 | I can't even* |
| 19:23.44 | blast007 | it's back because I restarted apache |
| 19:23.57 | blast007 | this time without the lowered settings for max connections/servers |
| 19:23.58 | JeffM | odd |
| 19:24.15 | blast007 | we'll see if this lasts for more than a few hours now |
| 19:24.46 | blast007 | just don't get what's going on |
| 19:26.29 | blast007 | how hard does someone have to smack an LCD screen to bust the panel? |
| 19:26.58 | JeffM | depends, laptop or desktop? |
| 19:27.15 | blast007 | desktop |
| 19:27.29 | JeffM | those are usualy pretty easy |
| 19:27.34 | blast007 | meh |
| 19:27.39 | JeffM | they have a thiner glass layer |
| 19:27.46 | JeffM | cus they are not suposed to be under stress |
| 19:28.01 | JeffM | a fall off a desk will usualy do it |
| 19:28.09 | blast007 | this didn't fall off |
| 19:28.17 | JeffM | was it twisted? |
| 19:28.17 | blast007 | it's from someone hitting the screen |
| 19:28.29 | blast007 | twisted? |
| 19:28.41 | JeffM | put torque on the edges |
| 19:28.46 | JeffM | in different directsion |
| 19:28.58 | JeffM | a hit tho seems like it would hurt the hand before it broke |
| 19:29.06 | JeffM | unless there was a ring involved |
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| 19:30.00 | blast007 | looks kinda like this, but nowhere near as bad: http://elespec.com/lcddamage.jpg |
| 19:30.07 | blast007 | enough that the screen is useless though |
| 19:30.19 | JeffM | they probably punched it |
| 19:30.30 | blast007 | yeah, fun.. $200 screens.. |
| 19:30.36 | JeffM | what brand? |
| 19:30.40 | blast007 | HP |
| 19:30.53 | blast007 | they were nicer ones that had DVI, since it's a CAD room |
| 19:31.07 | JeffM | heh |
| 19:31.11 | blast007 | and nice stands that pivot/rotate/lift |
| 19:31.29 | JeffM | yeah getting a good stand that is height ajustable is a pain sometimes |
| 19:31.38 | blast007 | though I've had to RMA about 10 of these for failed PSUs :) |
| 19:31.58 | JeffM | foods |
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| 20:37.26 | blast007 | ... why is the web server talking to itself ... |
| 20:40.38 | blast007 | eww. file_get_contents |
| 20:40.43 | blast007 | to another HTTP page.. |
| 20:40.53 | brad | what uses that? |
| 20:40.57 | blast007 | list server |
| 20:41.00 | brad | lol |
| 20:41.06 | blast007 | $owner = file_get_contents("http://my.bzflag.org/bzidtools.php?action=name&value=" . $ownerID); |
| 20:41.43 | blast007 | explains why there was 30 web connections from the server :P |
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| 21:39.01 | Ebert | hey, i think someone's put up a hacked server on the server list: bzflag.servebeer.com its running a GU map and scores go insanely low/high at times. Also, unregistered player 'a stump' seems to be cheating. Don't know who the owner is |
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| 21:47.08 | apeman | Anyone seen a bug where player's scores jump to seemingly random values and then return to normal after a while? |
| 21:47.32 | apeman | I'm guessing a new bug |
| 21:47.52 | apeman | wait, is OFFA buggy? |
| 21:48.00 | brad | seems to be a TOR node |
| 21:48.27 | apeman | what's that |
| 21:48.43 | brad | in simple terms, a proxy |
| 21:49.25 | brad | isn't that your server, apeman? |
| 21:49.31 | brad | bzflag.servebeer.com |
| 21:49.40 | apeman | yes |
| 21:49.54 | brad | why are you using TOR? |
| 21:50.07 | apeman | i don't know i'm using TOR lol |
| 21:50.13 | brad | mhmm |
| 21:50.26 | Ebert | hacker apeman :) |
| 21:50.28 | brad | so where are you running it from? |
| 21:50.33 | apeman | it's no-ip redirect |
| 21:50.38 | Ebert | just kidding, i wanted to cause excitement |
| 21:50.47 | brad | rly? |
| 21:51.02 | apeman | running from cheap VPS |
| 21:51.44 | apeman | you're saying my VPS uses TOR? |
| 21:52.22 | brad | perhaps someone in the same range |
| 21:53.21 | apeman | does it relate to the bug? |
| 21:53.42 | brad | is it a bug though? |
| 21:54.13 | apeman | as opposed to network problem? |
| 21:54.20 | brad | or something else |
| 21:54.37 | brad | was someone cheating on your server? |
| 21:54.39 | brad | 'a stump'? |
| 21:54.40 | apeman | server is not modded |
| 21:54.51 | apeman | no, that's me :P |
| 21:54.58 | brad | so you were cheating? :P |
| 21:55.03 | apeman | no |
| 21:55.10 | brad | xD |
| 21:55.12 | apeman | autopilot though |
| 21:55.27 | brad | autopilot is cheating...it's far too overpowered |
| 21:55.42 | brad | Ebert was having problems killing you it's so good |
| 21:55.43 | apeman | i know someone tried to ban me for it :P |
| 21:58.11 | apeman | how are you detecting TOR proxy, traceroute or whois? |
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| 22:08.59 | JeffM | There is a list of tor exit nodes |
| 22:11.33 | Ebert | nah autopilot is noobish |
| 22:11.43 | apeman | So could OFFA be buggy? I haven't seen anyone use it |
| 22:11.46 | Ebert | they don't know how to jump |
| 22:11.53 | Ebert | it is ape |
| 22:12.36 | Ebert | i wrote on here just before you joined about the weird scoring |
| 22:13.00 | apeman | it is what |
| 22:13.16 | apeman | oh they said OFFA is buggy? |
| 22:15.51 | Ebert | yes |
| 22:18.00 | JeffM | I have not seen any bug reports for OFFA, it should compute the scores the same as normal FFA just there is no team score |
| 22:18.48 | apeman | not sure most people even know it exists |
| 22:18.59 | Ebert | ok, don't listen then |
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| 22:36.01 | JeffM | yes many server owners don't know |
| 22:36.06 | JeffM | Ebert, ? |
| 22:37.58 | blast007 | Ebert: nobody else agreed that it was buggy |
| 22:38.20 | blast007 | I've used it and didn't notice scoring issues |
| 22:38.40 | blast007 | it's not like we do anything mysical for OFFA |
| 22:38.44 | blast007 | mystical* |
| 22:39.17 | JeffM | blast007, speak for yourself, I wrote it using unicorn blood |
| 22:39.19 | Ebert | there were scoring issues, 4 or so players/bots on the server |
| 22:39.36 | JeffM | ok, can you get it reported on sourceforge so we can have someone look at it? |
| 22:39.42 | JeffM | I have not seen anyone else mention it |
| 22:39.44 | Ebert | *put 4 or so players/bots on the server |
| 22:39.55 | JeffM | what happens to the score? |
| 22:42.07 | apeman | its normal for most of the time, then some players score goes to something random, then it changes back to normal after some time |
| 22:42.15 | JeffM | odd |
| 22:42.37 | Ebert | it went to -12,234 for one player and +12,345 for another |
| 22:42.46 | apeman | i was using handicap game too |
| 22:42.50 | Ebert | the numbers aren't correct, but thats what happened |
| 22:43.02 | Ebert | i can't report on source forge, don't know how to do it correctly |
| 22:43.12 | JeffM | can you make a bug on SF with your exact config and what you did to duplicate it |
| 22:43.18 | JeffM | you just fill out the form |
| 22:43.20 | JeffM | it's very easy |
| 22:43.23 | Ebert | you can probably reenact it if you haven't made changes to his OFFA server |
| 22:43.43 | JeffM | I am not going to be the one to fix it |
| 22:43.55 | JeffM | I'll assign it to be evaluated, thats why I need the best report I can |
| 22:44.10 | apeman | ok i'll report it |
| 22:44.14 | Ebert | you meaning whoever wants to |
| 22:44.15 | JeffM | thanks |
| 22:44.26 | JeffM | huh? no I'll assign it to a user |
| 22:44.32 | JeffM | developer I mean |
| 22:44.42 | Ebert | i see. my pronouns suck today |
| 22:45.28 | JeffM | I know mofo has been running openFFA for a long time now and they have not reported any behavor, it may be related to the handicap |
| 22:46.10 | JeffM | apeman, please report any plugins you are using too |
| 22:46.21 | blast007 | apeman: were you running a plugin on your server at the time? I didn't see any there now. |
| 22:48.20 | apeman | no plugin but shared-enabled |
| 22:48.35 | JeffM | that's the default now |
| 22:48.42 | apeman | oh |
| 22:48.54 | JeffM | we decided this API thing isn't just a fad ;) |
| 22:58.34 | apeman | any chance it could be just bad packets? |
| 22:58.58 | JeffM | sure |
| 22:59.15 | JeffM | it's a chance it could be anything |
| 22:59.31 | JeffM | the test would be to watch the score go bad, disconnect, reconnect and see if it's still bad |
| 22:59.39 | JeffM | if it goes good then your client just got bad data |
| 22:59.49 | JeffM | if it is still bad then the storage on the server is bad |
| 22:59.51 | blast007 | it's actually an easter egg we put in that only triggers on Wednesday the 16 of any given month. Surprise!! |
| 23:00.09 | apeman | ii can't guarantee but i'm pretty sure everyone saw the same scores |
| 23:00.25 | JeffM | reconnect and see |
| 23:00.38 | JeffM | that would force a resend |
| 23:01.28 | blast007 | if you can get the exact score it flips to, that might help us debug as well |
| 23:01.40 | blast007 | also the wins/losses/tks |
| 23:02.02 | JeffM | if it flipts at 32768 that would not suprize me :) |
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| 23:02.17 | apeman | i have a screenshot, no tks are displayed in OFFA |
| 23:02.26 | JeffM | good |
| 23:02.32 | JeffM | cus there are no teams :) |
| 23:02.36 | apeman | 1027 = 28783 kills - 27756 deaths and -25449 = 0 - 25449 |
| 23:02.46 | apeman | are two real examples |
| 23:03.24 | JeffM | and the bots did not have that many actual kills/deaths? |
| 23:03.37 | apeman | no |
| 23:03.52 | JeffM | do you know what it was before it went wonkey? |
| 23:03.54 | apeman | one of them with weird score was not a bot |
| 23:04.05 | apeman | 0-0 or 0-1 |
| 23:04.12 | apeman | for the 0-25449 one |
| 23:04.17 | JeffM | wierd |
| 23:04.44 | blast007 | maybe it's a very large value of 1 |
| 23:05.03 | apeman | or a large value of 0 :P |
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| 23:17.57 | apeman | looks like it's not OFFA, I had tks jump for a second when I forgot to add -offa |
| 23:18.34 | JeffM | heh |
| 23:19.35 | apeman | at this point i would blame my vps, it's a lowend bpx |
