| 00:01.54 | JeffM | it'll be totaly portable and not require google chrome like javascript does |
| 00:06.27 | zuii | I dont think we should rename the whole project just because we refresh/rewrite the code with modern stuffs.. |
| 00:06.44 | JeffM | what would be the point of keeping the name? |
| 00:07.07 | JeffM | so we could not have control over the DNS? |
| 00:07.22 | JeffM | so a bunch of people who don't like the changes can say that bzflag is ruined for ever? |
| 00:07.25 | zuii | because it would be the same game, only with new fancy stuffs |
| 00:08.10 | JeffM | the core needs to change not just fancy stuffs |
| 00:08.27 | zuii | there are always people like that..if you rename it you will get the same thing from the people |
| 00:08.36 | zuii | maybe not in that form.. |
| 00:08.56 | JeffM | there would be less expectations of behavor from bzflag |
| 00:09.18 | JeffM | this is just my opinon of course |
| 00:10.19 | JeffM | I would want to make a new project that had the ability to run a game like bzflag plays, but would not be limited to that type of game so it could grow in the future |
| 00:10.25 | JeffM | ramps, turrets, etc. |
| 00:10.43 | JeffM | but have rooms/servers that run with out ramps and turrets for those that like the simpler gameplay |
| 00:10.49 | JeffM | bzflag style |
| 00:11.45 | zuii | aham, songs really nice. but this is more than just rewriting bzflag..If i can help you I will |
| 00:12.11 | JeffM | if you just wanted to rewrite bzflag, make a quake mod that does what bzflag does |
| 00:12.14 | JeffM | and be done with it |
| 00:12.33 | JeffM | the point of a project is to improve and devevelop over time |
| 00:12.38 | JeffM | not just keep it where it is |
| 00:13.50 | zuii | do you started to implement? or just thinking.. |
| 00:14.05 | JeffM | I have code snipets from previous expirments |
| 00:14.08 | zuii | you mentioned something |
| 00:14.22 | JeffM | starting I'd want to build the server framework first |
| 00:14.31 | zuii | C#? |
| 00:14.32 | JeffM | and get it with a solid state representation |
| 00:14.44 | JeffM | that would be my preference in order to do a single deliverable |
| 00:15.41 | JeffM | if there are only the 3 official servers that people see at first then it would not be possible for people to run an old version for a while |
| 00:15.46 | JeffM | so you'd want the game to update itself |
| 00:15.53 | JeffM | that way you don't need releases |
| 00:16.01 | JeffM | you just push features to live and everyone gets them |
| 00:17.28 | zuii | more game logic will be on the server? with these raw protocols TCP, UDP or something better? |
| 00:17.36 | JeffM | all logic on the server |
| 00:17.44 | JeffM | you have the client do logic only to do interpolation |
| 00:17.49 | JeffM | and UDP only |
| 00:17.53 | JeffM | TCP is for chumps |
| 00:19.02 | zuii | who else in this project? or thinking about it to join.. |
| 00:19.10 | JeffM | ZERO people |
| 00:19.30 | JeffM | everyone else wants to just watch this one die I guess |
| 00:20.15 | zuii | well |
| 00:21.19 | zuii | I dont want bzflag to die..and I wanna do about it to stop so maybe I can join to this project and help where i can.. |
| 00:21.52 | JeffM | a new project would cause bzflag to die |
| 00:21.58 | JeffM | it would just give people a new place to go |
| 00:22.13 | JeffM | bzflag has been around a good long while, it's time for it to retire |
| 00:22.22 | JeffM | and inspire a new generation of games |
| 00:22.28 | zuii | well not in my head |
| 00:23.05 | zuii | this project could be BZFlag's descendant |
| 00:23.47 | JeffM | bzflag had some interesting concepts for it's time, a new game should be able to improve on them |
| 00:25.35 | zuii | so you can run the code on linux/mac/win? |
| 00:25.46 | zuii | or compile |
| 00:25.47 | zuii | .. |
| 00:25.54 | JeffM | you just run the exe |
| 00:26.07 | JeffM | on osx and linux you use mono to run the exe |
| 00:26.52 | JeffM | so they would just need a small shell script wraper |
| 00:27.14 | zuii | you mean wine? |
| 00:27.18 | JeffM | no |
| 00:27.21 | JeffM | mono is not wine |
| 00:27.30 | JeffM | wine runs win32 exe files |
| 00:27.30 | zuii | I know |
| 00:27.37 | JeffM | mono runs .net assemblies |
| 00:27.50 | zuii | yes but not exe.. |
| 00:27.50 | JeffM | not all exe files are win32 executables |
| 00:27.54 | JeffM | yes exe |
| 00:27.59 | JeffM | an exe can be a .net assembly |
| 00:27.59 | zuii | oh ok |
| 00:28.09 | zuii | :) |
| 00:28.17 | JeffM | windows detects them at runtime and sends them to the right runtime |
| 00:28.48 | JeffM | you can configure linux to use mono to handle .net exe files too |
| 00:28.52 | JeffM | and just double clikc them |
| 00:29.01 | JeffM | but it's simpler to wrap them in a shell script |
| 00:29.10 | zuii | OpenCombat the new name? |
| 00:29.13 | JeffM | those shell wrapers should be the only platform specific code |
| 00:29.18 | JeffM | that's a domain I own |
| 00:29.26 | JeffM | and the name I do my stuff under |
| 00:29.34 | JeffM | I've owned it for a number of years now |
| 00:30.58 | zuii | can I see the code somewhere on the internet? |
| 00:31.11 | JeffM | some of it is in google code |
| 00:31.24 | JeffM | there should be links from the mainpage |
| 00:31.33 | JeffM | that has the portal system and an older version of the server |
| 00:32.10 | JeffM | honestly the project isn't ready for code yet, there are not enough planing documents |
| 00:32.23 | JeffM | it's not a "Just bust out the code" kinda deal |
| 00:33.11 | blast007 | http://code.google.com/p/opencombat/ |
| 00:33.57 | JeffM | it was ether that or mortalwombat |
| 00:38.14 | JeffM | my next step in experiment was to try to build a server setup like was described to see what challenges there were and prove the concept. |
| 00:38.57 | JeffM | since that is the more complex aspect of it |
| 00:39.28 | zuii | thats a lot of code.. |
| 00:39.48 | JeffM | much of it is in reusable chunks |
| 00:42.08 | zuii | Ill pick up some C# know knowledge..with mono..and we will talk about this Jan/Feb 12 |
| 00:42.26 | JeffM | C# is pretty easy to learn |
| 00:42.40 | zuii | if we are still alive..and world wont end |
| 00:42.41 | JeffM | once you realise that everything is a reference |
| 00:42.56 | JeffM | that's not till december 2012 |
| 00:42.57 | zuii | :p |
| 00:43.01 | zuii | oh.. |
| 00:43.06 | zuii | phew |
| 00:43.37 | JeffM | they did was run out of stone on the callender |
| 00:44.00 | zuii | and if you set to "null" an object you can free the memory? |
| 00:44.22 | JeffM | when a reference isn't used anymore, the runtimes will remove it when it has time |
| 00:44.22 | zuii | or you can force the garbage collector |
| 00:44.34 | zuii | oh ok |
| 00:45.15 | zuii | we will talk about this later ok? I gtg |
| 00:45.36 | JeffM | you can with using |
| 00:45.41 | JeffM | but usualy nobody does that |
| 00:45.56 | zuii | and need to understand some C#..so it may take a while:O |
| 00:46.14 | zuii | cu |
| 00:46.18 | JeffM | have fun |
| 00:49.21 | JeffM | wonders why everyone is so concerned about telling the computer when to free memory, it know what it needs better then we do |
| 00:53.08 | allejo | bz doesn't know when to free memory better than we do. i always segfault a server with a plugin at least once :P |
| 00:53.52 | JeffM | who said about bz, I mean the runtimes |
| 00:55.16 | JeffM | in .net since all things are a reference then the runtime really does know when nobody needs it anymore |
| 00:55.36 | JeffM | and you can't have the sefault case where the pointer is pointing to memory that got released |
| 00:55.55 | JeffM | since your pointer would be a reference to that object and the runtimes would know you had it |
| 00:56.53 | allejo | ohhh that's good. i hate segfaults |
| 00:57.15 | JeffM | it's easy to get rid of them when you don't allow anyone to directly access pointers :) |
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| 01:41.13 | blast007 | JeffM: at least bzflag isn't as buggy as this game: http://store.steampowered.com/app/23530 |
| 01:41.32 | JeffM | that's a lot of bugs |
| 01:41.36 | blast007 | yeah |
| 01:41.42 | blast007 | and pretty major ones too |
| 01:41.45 | blast007 | huge |
| 01:41.51 | JeffM | at least they look cool |
| 01:41.58 | blast007 | :) |
| 01:42.30 | JeffM | I guess nobody has heard of the inverse square law |
| 01:48.53 | brad | harharhar:) |
| 01:49.16 | brad | the one time i thought blast was being serious...i shoulda known better! |
| 01:49.24 | blast007 | hehe |
| 01:49.40 | JeffM | silly man, nobody has more real bugs then BZFLAG! |
| 01:50.11 | brad | :D |
| 01:57.14 | allejo | look at the bright side. BZFlag has that to be known for |
| 01:58.12 | JeffM | Bethesda will sue us for taking there thing |
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| 17:40.54 | blast007 | oooo, nice http://code.google.com/p/lidgren-network-gen3/wiki/LagSimulation |
| 17:45.44 | JeffM | yeah it's a good network lib, I really like it |
| 17:46.40 | JeffM | but hey .net is dead right? |
| 17:46.54 | blast007 | yeah, it's all web apps now |
| 17:47.05 | JeffM | nobody is making cool libs and wrapers for networking, sound, and openGL with shader support.... |
| 17:47.28 | blast007 | "Click this <button> to shoot, and this <button> to move foward 5 units" |
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| 17:47.47 | blast007 | "You were eaten by a grue" |
| 17:47.50 | JeffM | "wait" |
| 17:48.30 | JeffM | I'm still on the fence for deciding if the communication to the server hub should be HTTP or UDP |
| 17:48.31 | blast007 | we should use adobe flash |
| 17:48.38 | blast007 | I hear that is good for games |
| 17:48.48 | JeffM | heh, shockwave |
| 17:48.54 | blast007 | and maybe mix with with some silverlight |
| 17:49.38 | blast007 | the "server hub" being what, exactly? |
| 17:49.56 | JeffM | the layout I envisioned had a hub for each "serve" |
| 17:50.11 | JeffM | it would handle listing what instances were available and all the chat |
| 17:50.12 | blast007 | each physical server? |
| 17:50.24 | JeffM | no |
| 17:50.40 | JeffM | the alpha,beta,gamma thing presented to the end user |
| 17:50.47 | blast007 | k |
| 17:50.57 | JeffM | my idea is to have each of those be implemented as one or more machines |
| 17:51.02 | JeffM | the hub is the cooridinator |
| 17:51.18 | JeffM | people hit it first then get told what actual physical machine to go to when they play |
| 17:51.30 | JeffM | that lets us add or remove physical instances as needed |
| 17:51.49 | JeffM | the instance is like a chat room in IRC |
| 17:51.58 | JeffM | it has a group of people playing a game |
| 17:52.32 | JeffM | my inital Idea was to contact the hub over HTTP and send XML data in a request responce thing |
| 17:55.38 | JeffM | then have it list the rooms, or accept the request to make a new room |
| 17:55.51 | JeffM | then give the client the room IP/port and send it on it's way |
| 18:05.11 | blast007 | what would doing that with UDP give as an advantage? |
| 18:05.18 | JeffM | it woudn't |
| 18:05.28 | JeffM | but I don't think I want to have the hub be php |
| 18:05.48 | blast007 | ASP.NET! |
| 18:05.50 | JeffM | so to do http it'd be a .net app with a bunch of HTTP listeners |
| 18:06.04 | JeffM | I thiunk that would be faster and more efficient then php |
| 18:06.08 | blast007 | get a Windows Server, IIS, and ASP.NET ;) |
| 18:06.10 | blast007 | ducks |
| 18:06.13 | JeffM | heh |
| 18:06.43 | JeffM | if the hub is C# and it needs to send any data to the instance nodes, like "start with this map" then it can do that over TCP or UDP |
| 18:06.58 | JeffM | where doing that kinda process managment in php is harder |
| 18:07.29 | JeffM | I think it'd be harder to hack too if the hub wasn't running software with known exploits |
| 18:07.51 | JeffM | by using http with .net we can limit what the http server accepts |
| 18:07.55 | JeffM | XML or nothin |
| 18:09.16 | JeffM | I think the advantage of HTTP would be that each transaction would be atomic and we would not have to leave a connection open waiting for stuff |
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| 18:11.31 | JeffM | and we could do it over HTTPS |
| 18:11.40 | JeffM | so tokens passed then would have some secretness |
| 18:17.38 | JeffM | and then we desuport linux |
| 18:26.27 | blast007 | as for SSL, it'd be interesting to have our own CA and then have the clients only trust certificates issued by our CA |
| 18:26.56 | blast007 | would prevent, say, a rogue host from trying to act as a authentication server |
| 18:28.03 | blast007 | unless there's also a way to do that without our own CA.. I don't know much about SSL |
| 18:39.58 | JeffM | given that both sides would be OUR software we could probably add a hook to verify the CA |
| 18:40.23 | JeffM | or at least check some specifics in the cert |
| 18:41.12 | JeffM | it has all kinds of stuff for dealing with certs in the HTTP client and server classes |
| 18:42.29 | JeffM | System.Net.Security.SslStream |
| 18:42.48 | JeffM | and it can take a RemoteCertificateValidationCallback |
| 18:43.12 | JeffM | so maybe can just do that over TCP and just send XML streams |
| 18:43.17 | JeffM | don't even need HTML then |
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| 21:07.14 | Tuxist | path tracing looks better as recursive raytracing |
| 21:07.16 | Tuxist | :-D |
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| 21:45.54 | Tuxist | new sreenshot http://tuxist.de/files/bzfi0040.png :-D |
| 21:47.46 | JeffM | still dosn't look that different |
| 21:47.56 | JeffM | it would be more impresive if you showed a before and after |
| 21:53.11 | Tuxist | mom i start second maschine |
| 21:54.52 | JeffM | you live with your mom? |
| 21:55.37 | JeffM | in a basement? |
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| 21:59.35 | Tuxist | moment |
| 22:05.42 | spldart | The warlock |
| 22:13.49 | blast007 | is there supposed to be something we're looking at in those screenshots...? |
| 22:14.39 | JeffM | the smoothness of the glow would be my bet |
| 22:16.46 | blast007 | isn't the lighting already like that? |
| 22:17.00 | blast007 | doesn't look any different to me |
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| 22:21.18 | JeffM | yes it currently looks VERY similar to that |
| 22:21.26 | JeffM | he's got slightly better granularity |
| 22:21.33 | JeffM | so it's only a techincal difference |
| 22:21.37 | JeffM | hence my comments |
| 22:21.58 | JeffM | we can get similar effects in a number of different ways with out doing ray or path tracing |
| 22:22.14 | JeffM | projected textures, simple shaders |
| 22:22.33 | JeffM | the tracing would have a bigger benifit if we had more material types, like things that did refraction |
| 22:26.19 | Tuxist | http://tuxist.de/files/screenbz.png |
| 22:26.39 | JeffM | yeah... not much diference |
| 22:26.53 | JeffM | really what you are showing is a very bad test case of your code |
| 22:27.19 | JeffM | at speed I doubt it's even noticable |
| 22:28.21 | Tuxist | thats right |
| 22:28.42 | Tuxist | but gamer hardware have enough power :-D |
| 22:29.03 | JeffM | you really don't know our target audence do you? |
| 22:30.02 | Tuxist | yes funny game for slow hardware |
| 22:30.24 | Tuxist | turn on off effects :-D |
| 22:30.43 | JeffM | your patches will never be applied so there will not be anything to turn off |
| 22:30.54 | blast007 | http://bzexcess.com/2009/01/relief-shading-and-fancy-lighting/ <-- this is more impressive |
| 22:30.56 | Tuxist | i think it's ok |
| 22:31.15 | JeffM | yeah bumpmaping would be a more noticable effect |
| 22:31.29 | JeffM | well you also think java is open source... so that says that |
| 22:32.01 | Tuxist | Parallax mapping |
| 22:32.12 | Tuxist | :-D |
| 22:32.57 | Tuxist | in europa we have no software patents |
| 22:33.05 | Tuxist | ;-p |
| 22:33.08 | JeffM | not true |
| 22:33.12 | JeffM | you have different laws |
| 22:33.18 | Tuxist | yes |
| 22:33.31 | JeffM | java isn't patented, it's copyright |
| 22:33.42 | Tuxist | but for software we have copyright |
| 22:33.48 | JeffM | yes |
| 22:33.51 | JeffM | same here :) |
| 22:34.01 | JeffM | bzflag is copyright not patented |
| 22:34.17 | Tuxist | java have gpl license |
| 22:35.03 | Tuxist | gpl is very restricted but free |
| 22:35.05 | JeffM | no the JDK and the JRE are under the BCL |
| 22:35.22 | Tuxist | that form oracle |
| 22:35.26 | JeffM | yes |
| 22:35.38 | JeffM | the JDK has some source available, but not the JRE |
| 22:35.45 | JeffM | it's the JRE that you need to actualy USE java |
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| 22:36.01 | Tuxist | openjdk |
| 22:36.08 | JeffM | that is the dev kit |
| 22:36.10 | JeffM | not the runtimes |
| 22:36.14 | JeffM | it's a different thing |
| 22:36.27 | JeffM | the JDK needs the JRE to run |
| 22:36.35 | Tuxist | icedtea |
| 22:36.42 | Tuxist | gjc |
| 22:36.48 | Tuxist | i like gjc :-D |
| 22:37.15 | JeffM | again that's the JDK not the JRE |
| 22:37.39 | Tuxist | gjc compiles native bin ;-) |
| 22:37.47 | JeffM | then that's not the same thing java does |
| 22:37.53 | JeffM | cus the point of java is to go to VM code |
| 22:37.56 | JeffM | so it's portable |
| 22:38.06 | JeffM | so that's a java like langauge that compiles to native |
| 22:38.33 | JeffM | bassicly loosing the entire point of java |
| 22:38.33 | Tuxist | jvm |
| 22:38.39 | blast007 | I think sun "promised" that it was going to GPL the JRE, but I'm not sure if it actually ever did ;) |
| 22:38.50 | blast007 | and now Oracle owns it, and they sure as heck won't |
| 22:38.56 | JeffM | they will after they finish suing everyone for it |
| 22:39.01 | blast007 | hehe |
| 22:39.20 | Tuxist | i programming c/c++ it make my live easier :-D |
| 22:39.30 | Tuxist | interessting thing is qml |
| 22:39.33 | Tuxist | qt 4.8 |
| 22:39.46 | Tuxist | together with lighthouse |
| 22:39.50 | blast007 | pfft, c/c++ is useless since everything will be going to the web |
| 22:39.55 | JeffM | games don't really need much for a widget toolkit |
| 22:40.19 | blast007 | soon everything will be javascript and html and ruby |
| 22:40.23 | Tuxist | web applications in c/c++ much faster |
| 22:40.36 | Tuxist | and you can old apps |
| 22:40.40 | JeffM | tha'ts a CGI |
| 22:40.46 | Tuxist | no |
| 22:41.09 | blast007 | no, it's a buffer overflow waiting to happen ;) |
| 22:41.11 | Tuxist | write own ord thirdparty http lib |
| 22:41.23 | JeffM | I did, it was a pain |
| 22:41.33 | Tuxist | like this http://www.webtoolkit.eu/wt |
| 22:41.36 | JeffM | rather just use System.Net.HTTPListener |
| 22:41.58 | Tuxist | i use my own lib because embedden performence ..... |
| 22:42.07 | JeffM | well not everything is embeded |
| 22:42.16 | Tuxist | thats right |
| 22:42.19 | JeffM | there is a pretty big world outside your basement |
| 22:43.04 | JBdiGriz | blast007: I'm curious to see the first device driver written in javascript/html/ruby |
| 22:43.07 | Tuxist | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDsSroM8hjo |
| 22:43.16 | blast007 | JBdiGriz: I'm just trolling him ;) |
| 22:43.22 | JeffM | JBdiGriz, Im sure you will write it ;) |
| 22:43.28 | blast007 | since yesterday he said that everything was going to be web based |
| 22:43.35 | JeffM | you have to be working on a JS cuda API right? |
| 22:43.46 | JBdiGriz | Not a chance, I complained when someone gave me a c++ driver. ;) |
| 22:43.55 | JeffM | heh |
| 22:44.20 | Tuxist | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dczBYK2_QZg&feature=related |
| 22:44.27 | Tuxist | interessting thing |
| 22:44.53 | JeffM | I can't watch youtube at work |
| 22:45.08 | Tuxist | hp builds arm server |
| 22:45.10 | JeffM | unless it's all gray and the sountrack is "GRRRRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN" |
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| 22:46.12 | Tuxist | arm + asp/net/php/java to slow |
| 22:46.21 | JeffM | then don't use it on an arm system |
| 22:46.28 | JBdiGriz | Actually, I'm no longer at nvidia. I'm back to being a pointy haired manager. |
| 22:46.33 | JeffM | ahhh |
| 22:47.12 | JeffM | can you lend one of your points to Tuxist? he seems to be unable to grasp his own. |
| 22:47.18 | JBdiGriz | And actually working on ARM systems that run almost entirely java. |
| 22:47.20 | blast007 | hehe |
| 22:47.37 | Tuxist | java and gjc ? |
| 22:47.47 | Tuxist | than is java fast enough :-D |
| 22:48.17 | JBdiGriz | java and j2me, it's called a blackberry. Perhaps you've heard of it? |
| 22:48.36 | JeffM | I hear they sold a few things before they made some poor life choices |
| 22:48.46 | Tuxist | yes i know about j2me |
| 22:48.54 | Tuxist | google sun |
| 22:49.04 | JBdiGriz | Check out the pointless forest, there are a few extra points there. |
| 22:49.05 | JeffM | not everyone is writing firmware for a router |
| 22:49.06 | Tuxist | bam |
| 22:49.43 | Tuxist | but for webserver with thousand of user is it importend |
| 22:49.58 | JBdiGriz | Sun, that was that company I almost joined and then decided they would never accomplish anything significant. |
| 22:50.04 | Tuxist | for mobilphone or something pointless |
| 22:50.25 | JeffM | quite a few people buy those pointless phones |
| 22:50.27 | Tuxist | thats right |
| 22:50.29 | JeffM | soo smooth |
| 22:50.48 | JeffM | sadly mine runs objective C |
| 22:50.57 | Tuxist | iphone :-D |
| 22:51.07 | JeffM | next year I will probably get one that can do XNA |
| 22:51.13 | JBdiGriz | I doubt it runs objective C, although that might be the preferred development environment. |
| 22:51.25 | Tuxist | dalvik + busybox :-D |
| 22:51.25 | JeffM | from what I hear it is |
| 22:51.39 | JeffM | I never wanted to pay 100$ and then buy a mac to find out |
| 22:52.09 | JBdiGriz | You don't need to pay $100, unless you are planning on running your code on a device. |
| 22:52.09 | Tuxist | yes you can only code under mac for i devices |
| 22:52.19 | JeffM | exactly |
| 22:52.36 | JBdiGriz | You do have to buy a mac. I still think that's one of the main drawbacks of the iPhone. |
| 22:52.40 | JeffM | I would like to make a good character sheet app |
| 22:52.50 | Tuxist | xcode use gcc ? |
| 22:52.55 | JeffM | yes |
| 22:52.59 | JBdiGriz | gcc or llvm |
| 22:53.11 | Tuxist | gcc have a objective-c compiler |
| 22:53.13 | JeffM | I'll see what's out in febuary |
| 22:53.14 | Tuxist | mhm |
| 22:53.20 | Tuxist | but ihave no iphone |
| 22:53.28 | JeffM | I just got rid of my android tablet |
| 22:53.31 | Tuxist | samsung to get angry apple :-D |
| 22:53.33 | JeffM | tho I guess I get a new one tomorow |
| 22:53.46 | JBdiGriz | That doesn't stop you from coding for an iphone, only running on an iphone. |
| 22:54.22 | Tuxist | qt ligthouse ;-) |
| 22:54.28 | Tuxist | that is what i mean |
| 22:54.41 | Tuxist | not ready in moment :-( |
| 22:54.48 | Tuxist | but there working on it |
| 22:56.23 | JeffM | JBdiGriz, there would be no point if I could not run :) |
| 22:56.27 | JeffM | I want apps I can use |
| 22:56.54 | JBdiGriz | I have coded a number of apps for BREW, Android and iPhone. I haven't run too many of them on devices. |
| 22:57.06 | JeffM | heh |
| 22:57.18 | JeffM | I rember brew |
| 22:57.21 | JBdiGriz | That's what the people I manage do. |
| 22:57.24 | JeffM | that's still a thing? |
| 22:57.46 | JBdiGriz | There are still more BREW phones in the world than any other phone that runs applications. |
| 22:57.58 | JeffM | yeah all the flip phones |
| 22:58.16 | JeffM | "feature phones" i guess they call them |
| 22:58.26 | JBdiGriz | That's what we call them. :) |
| 22:58.34 | JeffM | you are they then |
| 22:58.45 | JeffM | I do not think I can go back to a feature phone |
| 22:59.06 | JeffM | too used to having them internets at my fingertips |
| 23:00.01 | JeffM | for me it will depend on what the appstore is like on the MS phones |
| 23:00.24 | Tuxist | ms phone have apps ? :-D |
| 23:00.24 | JBdiGriz | Current product http://developer.verizon.com/content/vdc/en/verizon-tools-apis/verizon_apis/navbuilder-inside-sdk.html |
| 23:01.21 | JeffM | fun |
| 23:02.03 | Tuxist | meego was a good idea but nokia ..... |
| 23:02.24 | Tuxist | nokia is make a sucied at the moment |
| 23:03.02 | Tuxist | phones that nobody wants with a os that nobody wants :-D |
| 23:06.33 | Tuxist | g8 |
| 23:06.57 | blast007 | I've got a Maemo based device |
| 23:15.18 | JeffM | that got him |
| 23:15.34 | JeffM | or maybe his mom turned the internet off |
| 23:15.37 | blast007 | I guess g8 means goodnight in his terms |
| 23:15.44 | blast007 | should really be gn8 |
| 23:17.11 | JeffM | thats too slow for embeded devices |
| 23:17.18 | JeffM | he only gets 2 bytes per word |
| 23:17.37 | blast007 | hehe |
| 23:38.03 | JeffM | so blast007 should we buy blueprintforums.us and have the addin start haxoring browsers? |
| 23:38.06 | JeffM | 4$ |
| 23:40.21 | blast007 | lol |
| 23:40.43 | blast007 | I'm sure we'd get all 5 people that installed it, too |
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