| 00:06.32 | cp__ | one question about something ive learned |
| 00:06.46 | cp__ | does bzflag use/allow tcp for motion, but require udp for shooting? |
| 00:12.34 | JeffM | shooting is usualy the first test of UDP |
| 00:12.52 | JeffM | we use TCP for things that have to get thru, an UDP for things that are time based |
| 00:13.00 | JeffM | so movement is UDP |
| 00:13.06 | JeffM | shooting is TCP |
| 00:13.16 | JeffM | the check looks to see if you have sent a UDP update with the shot |
| 00:13.33 | JeffM | if UDP is blocked you won't have any movement updates so that's often why it's the first place people hit |
| 00:14.44 | cp__ | oh |
| 00:14.45 | cp__ | ok |
| 00:14.49 | cp__ | that makes sense |
| 00:14.59 | cp__ | so it wouldnt kick for no udp for movement |
| 00:15.09 | cp__ | because it doesnt know you were trying to move |
| 00:15.12 | JeffM | sure because how would we know they moved :) |
| 00:15.13 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:20.26 | CIA-112 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r22332 10/trunk/tools/BZStatCollector/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 00:20.26 | CIA-112 | BZFlag: add db support |
| 00:20.26 | CIA-112 | BZFlag: add config support |
| 00:20.26 | CIA-112 | BZFlag: save both csv and db if available |
| 00:20.57 | cp__ | who's CIA-112? |
| 00:24.41 | JeffM | a bot that shows commits |
| 00:36.55 | blast007 | it also closely monitors all people with underscores in their name |
| 00:38.24 | JeffM | sometimes it does credit checks on them |
| 00:38.33 | JeffM | or floods out the router with UDP |
| 01:20.50 | CIA-112 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r22333 10/trunk/tools/BZStatCollector/ (4 files in 2 dirs): fix sql query issues and handle exceptions |
| 01:21.02 | JeffM | ok, it's feeding into a database now |
| 01:33.06 | I_Died_Once | whats the conf option for no team kills in 2.4 ? |
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| 01:36.56 | I_Died_Once | nm i found it |
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| 02:54.33 | JeffM | help us DTRemenak, we need a healer! ;) |
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| 14:31.31 | Quol | just an FYI to blast/JeffM: I contacted Highsoft sales, and they confirmed that as long as we are not using it for commercial purposes (ie: making money off of their product), then they are fine with people using it..so it should be safe to use it. |
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| 15:44.33 | blast007 | Quol: that's still vague. |
| 15:46.04 | Quol | well - I don't think so. For example - let's say you place the page on some community site - (for example if I place it on mine), I will not make a peny from it - therefor it's not for commercial purposes |
| 15:46.41 | blast007 | there's also a perfectly usable alternative that is under a Free license. |
| 15:46.52 | Quol | I know...just saying that's all |
| 15:48.53 | Quol | you can use jqueryu plugins (which I have used in the past - along with others (Flot for example) - but they don't look as sharp |
| 15:48.53 | blast007 | I'd rather not rely on a non-Free licensed product... just complicates things when integrating with other stuff that would be under a Free license. |
| 15:49.00 | blast007 | jquery.. no |
| 15:49.13 | Quol | I agree - makes things cleaner |
| 15:50.01 | Quol | well - in house, we use Flot - integrates nicely with JQuery, you can zoom in and out, pretty easy to integrate...just harder to make it look pretty |
| 15:50.54 | blast007 | I just don't like JQuery ;) |
| 15:50.59 | blast007 | Mootools ftw! |
| 15:51.12 | Quol | heh...well, I am on the other side of the fence :) |
| 15:51.50 | blast007 | "With Mootools you learn JavaScript. With JQuery you learn JQuery." |
| 15:52.21 | Quol | but why would you want to learn javascript, when jquery makes it sooooo muuuuuch easier :) |
| 15:52.51 | Quol | and to me - in my head, and the way I think, it's a better match. I tried mootools - and just didn't like it |
| 15:53.06 | Quol | just me though probably - I know lots of people who swear by it |
| 15:53.41 | blast007 | because learning JavaScript is useful ;) |
| 15:54.32 | Quol | well - yes, and no. with all the frameworks you still end up learning the specific ways that framework uses javascript |
| 15:55.18 | Quol | buit I would much rather use a framework and have it handle all the crappy stuff (browser detection, what works and what doesn't) - all that manual stuff that we all used to do before these frameworks existed |
| 15:55.25 | Quol | I will never go back to raw javascript |
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| 16:22.46 | TD-Linux | wait are we talking about making graphs? |
| 16:22.55 | TD-Linux | I've used flot before and it's good |
| 16:23.04 | TD-Linux | and pretty fast, I was doing realtime data |
| 16:23.40 | TD-Linux | and generally looks is more of a theme thing... but I think flot looks great as is... the drop shadows are a bit excessive maybe though |
| 16:23.51 | TD-Linux | also I'm a shameless jQuery user |
| 16:25.36 | TD-Linux | jquery ui and jquery mobile are a bit dissapointing though |
| 16:27.52 | Quol | TD-Linux, ya - I have had good experiences with FLot also...although, it does seem to have some leaking issues (at least on the version we use in house)...we had to work around them (forece a refresh of the entire page every hour on the larger graphs). but ya, I agree - it's nice |
| 16:28.20 | Quol | although - we are in the process of thinking about switching to: http://dygraphs.com (not jquery though) |
| 16:28.53 | TD-Linux | Quol: hmm I'll have to check that memory leak issue... the app I'm currently writing with flot does 10hz updates :> |
| 16:29.28 | TD-Linux | yeah I was looking at dygraphs recently, I really like the browsing feature |
| 16:29.45 | Quol | depends on how many data points your are bringing back. And FF and Chrome handle it better than IE of course - although ie9 was a big step forward for javascript memory issues |
| 16:29.59 | TD-Linux | you can do it with flot too of course... this is an internal app so I don't care about ie |
| 16:30.39 | Quol | unfortunaltly - the apps over here are internal also - but we are 100% IE as far as users go |
| 16:30.57 | Quol | so we had lots of issues to work around with charting and IE... |
| 16:31.27 | TD-Linux | as much as xp is did, I do wish ie8/ie9 would run on it |
| 16:31.36 | TD-Linux | s/did/dead |
| 16:32.14 | blast007 | IE8 does run on XP... |
| 16:32.31 | TD-Linux | oh you're right |
| 16:32.34 | TD-Linux | just ie9 then |
| 16:32.38 | blast007 | :) |
| 16:32.39 | TD-Linux | that's not quite as bad |
| 16:33.58 | Quol | as far as javascript goes..ie8 is pretty bad - unfortunatly. anything that has an auto-updating element (like ajax pulling json data and plotting it somehow) would leak pretty bad. We have seen IE take up GB's of memory that way in our tests |
| 16:34.27 | Quol | with all sorts of frameworks/charting libraries...and IE9 made most of them go away. |
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| 17:07.31 | Yrogirg | list server? |
| 17:08.54 | blast007 | broken |
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| 17:14.16 | blast007 | support ticket filed. |
| 17:14.37 | blast007 | VPS doesn't seem to be responsive, and I can't even log into the control panel. |
| 17:15.12 | Yrogirg | oh, 2.4.2 is soon? |
| 17:15.37 | blast007 | yeah |
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| 17:44.45 | blast007 | looks like the list is back up now |
| 17:44.52 | I_Died_Once | it is |
| 17:45.27 | I_Died_Once | http://pastebin.com/15LSsK52 |
| 17:45.33 | blast007 | looks like it the VPS didn't die. Still have 12 days of uptime. |
| 17:45.34 | I_Died_Once | having trouble compiling plugins |
| 17:45.39 | blast007 | s/it the/the/ |
| 17:47.08 | I_Died_Once | configures with --enable-shared although thats default in 2.4 |
| 17:47.17 | blast007 | I_Died_Once: that's the output from a 'make install' ? |
| 17:47.21 | I_Died_Once | yeah |
| 17:47.33 | blast007 | you don't need --enable-shared |
| 17:47.42 | blast007 | so get rid of that |
| 17:48.22 | blast007 | and you do have libtool installed, right? |
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| 17:48.47 | I_Died_Once | yes i do |
| 17:49.14 | Yrogirg | and I've just compiled svn |
| 17:50.04 | I_Died_Once | i compiled from svn too |
| 17:50.12 | blast007 | I_Died_Once: it's not building the plugin |
| 17:50.16 | I_Died_Once | had to get libtool to run autogen |
| 17:50.29 | I_Died_Once | thats obvious |
| 17:50.40 | blast007 | go into plugins/airspawn/ and run 'make' |
| 17:50.45 | blast007 | and pastebin the output |
| 17:50.47 | I_Died_Once | ok |
| 17:51.46 | I_Died_Once | http://pastebin.com/883BAeH1 |
| 17:52.03 | blast007 | is that a make or a make install? |
| 17:52.08 | I_Died_Once | make install |
| 17:52.13 | blast007 | just run make |
| 17:52.26 | I_Died_Once | make: Nothing to be done for `all'. |
| 17:52.32 | blast007 | make clean |
| 17:52.34 | blast007 | and then make |
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| 17:53.20 | I_Died_Once | make ran fine |
| 17:53.27 | I_Died_Once | make install give me the same error |
| 17:53.50 | blast007 | I want the output of make... |
| 17:54.08 | blast007 | make install isn't the problem |
| 17:54.10 | blast007 | make is |
| 17:54.25 | blast007 | the plugin isn't being BUILT, and that is done when you 'make', not when you 'make install' |
| 17:54.57 | QuantumBeep | blast007: do you handle COPPA requests? |
| 17:55.00 | blast007 | no |
| 17:55.04 | blast007 | Tim does |
| 17:55.06 | QuantumBeep | k |
| 17:55.33 | JeffM | QuantumBeep, send him an email, best way to get a responce |
| 17:55.39 | QuantumBeep | OK |
| 17:55.59 | I_Died_Once | http://pastebin.com/evr0KB5w |
| 17:58.36 | blast007 | dunno |
| 17:59.30 | blast007 | did you run anything except 'make install' as root? |
| 17:59.53 | I_Died_Once | excellent question |
| 18:00.04 | blast007 | might want to try with a clean checkout |
| 18:00.21 | I_Died_Once | its entirely possible i downloaded and installed and did everything compile bzfs-wise as root |
| 18:01.05 | I_Died_Once | facepalms |
| 18:01.17 | blast007 | and then './autogen.sh && ./configure && make' from your normal user account and then ensure that the .so file exists under the plugins/airspawn/.libs/ directory |
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| 18:01.30 | blast007 | and *then* do the 'make install' as root |
| 18:01.43 | I_Died_Once | got the svn checkout command handy? |
| 18:01.48 | blast007 | ~bzsvn |
| 18:01.48 | ibot | rumour has it, bzsvn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 18:02.25 | I_Died_Once | now i got a server up right now... if i make clean and redo everything, will it jack up the game in progress? |
| 18:02.34 | I_Died_Once | probably |
| 18:02.49 | blast007 | only the make install step, possibly |
| 18:03.04 | blast007 | just do the first three for now and see if it makes the .so file |
| 18:03.21 | blast007 | since that's the problem we're trying to solve |
| 18:04.48 | I_Died_Once | for the long term, i would rather do it all over and do it right |
| 18:09.33 | Quol | in my experience - replacing bzfs does not kill the loaded instances in memory. Of course you must restart the bzfs instance to pick up the newly compiled bzfs..but it has not killed any of my servers over the years with me by just replacing it |
| 18:10.05 | Quol | but I usually symlink bzfs to a version...and I never run make install (I always run them in a chroot)...so maybe that's the difference? |
| 18:10.34 | Quol | same goes with plugins (in my experience) |
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| 18:41.08 | Yrogirg | and where is the changelog for 2.4.2? |
| 18:41.16 | JeffM | there isn't one |
| 18:41.19 | JeffM | it hasn't been released yet |
| 18:41.59 | Yrogirg | any new features? |
| 18:42.03 | JeffM | god no |
| 18:42.06 | JeffM | other then fastmap |
| 18:42.12 | JeffM | it's just to get the debian package out the door |
| 18:42.36 | Yrogirg | will fast map be by default? |
| 18:42.42 | JeffM | it's a plugin |
| 18:42.51 | JeffM | owners have to tell bzfs to load it |
| 18:48.42 | JeffM | there were a few bug fixes too |
| 18:48.56 | JeffM | we will walk the svn commits log and build a changelist for it at some point |
| 18:49.08 | Quol | JeffM - any big changes from yesterday? I am running bzfs compiled from yesterday's trunk |
| 18:49.37 | JeffM | I dunno |
| 18:49.42 | Quol | just wasn't sure if you merged something to trunk that warants more testing today...ahh |
| 18:49.44 | JeffM | probably not |
| 18:49.47 | Quol | ahh - ok |
| 18:49.53 | JeffM | it's not like development has restarted |
| 18:50.03 | JeffM | we just said we need a new number in order to do the debian package |
| 18:50.19 | Quol | ahh |
| 18:50.22 | JeffM | honestly this will probalby be the last one |
| 18:54.13 | Quol | does fastmap still require the HTTPServer plugin? if so - where is it? (didn't see it in the svn source) |
| 18:54.43 | JeffM | nope |
| 18:54.52 | JeffM | the HTTP server is internal to bzfs now |
| 18:55.17 | Quol | ahhh - OK - that explains that |
| 18:56.04 | JeffM | yeah the 2.99 way was dumb |
| 18:56.08 | JeffM | the new way is much cooler |
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| 19:04.09 | Quol | JeffM: the push stats: will that go live with 2.4.2 (I saw notices that it was delayed to 2.4.4 - but maybe that's just not updated on the wiki?) |
| 19:04.58 | JeffM | yeah it's 2.4.4 |
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| 19:05.37 | Quol | so the google spreadsheet thingy - was that based on push stats? or you have a crawler getting the stats for all the servers? |
| 19:08.18 | JeffM | I wrote a crawler |
| 19:08.23 | JeffM | pushstats needs lots of work |
| 19:08.31 | JeffM | my crawler only polls the servers with players |
| 19:08.33 | JeffM | so it's very fast |
| 19:10.35 | Cobra_Fast | how does the client console coloring work? (is there any possibility to colorize the chat-text?) |
| 19:12.02 | JeffM | the client tells the text what color to use |
| 19:12.14 | JeffM | you can mod your client to use any color you want |
| 19:12.38 | JeffM | quol, I modified my poller to put the data in a database last night |
| 19:13.01 | JeffM | whilst waiting for ballons on tatooine |
| 19:13.29 | Quol | JeffM, cool...I took the spreadsheet data and shoved it a local postgresql table - and was playing around with a quick demo a bit |
| 19:13.39 | JeffM | I have more data now |
| 19:13.49 | JeffM | list of players with last played time |
| 19:14.01 | JeffM | and scores and stuff |
| 19:14.01 | Cobra_Fast | JeffM: So there is no such thing like color-codes I can use to let's say mark a single word in red? |
| 19:14.07 | Quol | ya - I bet...is the schema similar to the spreadsheet? or more changes? |
| 19:14.14 | JeffM | Cobra_Fast, I belive there is |
| 19:14.17 | JeffM | look at the code |
| 19:14.22 | Cobra_Fast | Willdo |
| 19:14.26 | JeffM | quol I checked in the schema |
| 19:15.41 | Quol | test |
| 19:15.42 | Quol | weird |
| 19:15.47 | Quol | Cobra - you ever use the /highlight command |
| 19:16.01 | Quol | typed that last sentenec in 3 times - and it didn't show up :) |
| 19:17.41 | Cobra_Fast | yeah im not looking for a search |
| 19:17.56 | Cobra_Fast | or anything of the likes |
| 19:18.01 | Quol | JeffM, I will check it out - and play around with some code this weekend |
| 19:18.11 | JeffM | quol ok |
| 19:20.17 | JeffM | i was going to write up a small site to just show some of the data, like the current totals, and players in the last 10 min or somthing |
| 19:21.29 | Cobra_Fast | JeffM: where would be a good start to look for it? |
| 19:22.00 | JeffM | the code that draws the chatbox |
| 19:22.06 | JeffM | follow it in a debuger |
| 19:23.05 | Quol | and maybe /highlight....as it is already changing text colors in the console based on word matching...maybe that will point you in the right direction? |
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| 19:24.24 | JeffM | the debuger is your friend |
| 19:26.00 | Quol | that's the one thing I miss on the PHP side of things (coming from asp.net) - much niced to debug web applications in that world then messing with xdebig/eclipse or netbeans and praying that the sun and moon lines up so you can set a breakpoint.. |
| 19:26.18 | Quol | s/niced/nicer |
| 19:30.21 | JeffM | one reason I didn't do my crawler in php ;) |
| 19:30.24 | JeffM | that and threads |
| 19:32.17 | Quol | JeffM, BZStatCollector? that it? |
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| 20:44.10 | JeffM | yeah |
| 21:46.41 | CIA-112 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r22335 10/trunk/tools/BZStatCollector/schema/database.sql: update schema to include player names |
| 21:47.33 | Quol | JeffM, I guess right now the CLI is just a windows thing? |
| 21:47.39 | JeffM | nope |
| 21:47.46 | JeffM | I have it runing on my debian machine right now |
| 21:47.54 | Quol | ooh...hmm...awesome |
| 21:48.04 | JeffM | .net is cross platform |
| 21:48.07 | JeffM | same binary |
| 21:48.20 | Quol | ahh - running on mono then I guess |
| 21:48.26 | JeffM | yes |
| 21:48.33 | JeffM | mono is the .net runtime on linux |
| 21:48.36 | JeffM | so you have to use it |
| 21:48.40 | Quol | yup |
| 21:48.52 | JeffM | or configure your system to send .net exe files to mono |
| 21:48.59 | JeffM | mono was easy to install |
| 21:49.03 | Quol | I ported various asp.net MVC sites to mono with a good amount of success |
| 21:49.12 | Quol | so, I am pretty famiiar with it |
| 21:49.25 | JeffM | just run mono CollectorCLI.exe |
| 21:49.32 | Quol | funny - I just removed mono from this server yesterday...lol |
| 21:49.37 | JeffM | on the first run it'll generate the config file for you |
| 21:49.42 | JeffM | so then kill it and edit the file |
| 21:50.52 | JeffM | it also needs the mysql .net connector assembly |
| 21:52.59 | I_Died_Once | does anyone know who operates the 'bridge crossing map' bztank.net |
| 21:53.08 | JeffM | what does the list server say? |
| 21:53.32 | I_Died_Once | doesnt say |
| 21:53.42 | JeffM | use the json mode |
| 21:54.00 | I_Died_Once | ...Spazzy is caught in a range ban |
| 21:54.06 | SpazzyMcGee | Indeed I am |
| 21:54.09 | JeffM | it says the owner in the last paramater |
| 21:54.20 | JeffM | list shows benfish |
| 21:55.35 | SpazzyMcGee | cool |
| 21:55.50 | SpazzyMcGee | I will hunt him down |
| 21:56.01 | JeffM | just send him a PM on the forums |
| 21:57.04 | SpazzyMcGee | Aww, I was planning a road trip. |
| 22:01.12 | I_Died_Once | here's on odd request for help... i think we lost our stash of images from our old host, and I just cleared out my cache this morning - can i talk someone, anyone, to check their image cache from their bzflag client for any images from images.planet-mofo.com ??? |
| 22:02.57 | I_Died_Once | i'm scred we lost them all |
| 22:03.00 | I_Died_Once | **scared |
| 22:04.40 | JeffM | quol where did you see mention of push stats in 2.4.2 on the wiki? |
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| 22:06.53 | Quol | ooh - now I have to go find it again :) |
| 22:06.59 | Quol | looks at browsing history |
| 22:07.24 | JeffM | cus I thought I got all of them |
| 22:07.29 | JeffM | and moved them to 2.4.4 |
| 22:09.04 | blast007 | Cobra_Fast: if your goal is to send colored chat from the server, you can't do that afaik. the client will just strip the ANSI codes. |
| 22:09.15 | blast007 | I_Died_Once: what I was telling you to do *was* starting over... |
| 22:09.24 | Cobra_Fast | blast007: that was what i was asking for, thanks |
| 22:09.38 | JeffM | oh yeah, I thought you wante to mod the server |
| 22:09.44 | JeffM | yeah it's not a transport level coloring |
| 22:09.49 | JeffM | sorry mod the client |
| 22:09.52 | JeffM | can not think |
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| 22:11.27 | Quol | JeffM, http://wiki.bzflag.org/DevelopmentPlans/2.3: I think that's what through me off: in the backports it lists using push stats as default for 2.3 |
| 22:11.42 | JeffM | yeah but that says that 2.4 was released at the top of the page |
| 22:11.51 | JeffM | and the item isn't marked as done |
| 22:12.06 | JeffM | that was just our worksheet |
| 22:12.26 | Quol | ya - I see that now - so probably was me just getting confused |
| 22:13.48 | Quol | cause all the others are more clearly marked that it is being pushed back..but I guess no big dea;l |
| 22:14.07 | JeffM | well the other docs are actual release docs |
| 22:14.07 | CIA-112 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r8180 10/DevelopmentPlans/2.3: |
| 22:14.11 | JeffM | that was just a development plan |
| 22:14.17 | Quol | ya - my bad |
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| 22:29.49 | Supertanker | Did you know that if you take a donut an ddip it in chocolate, it's exactly the same as a chocolate-dipped donut? |
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| 22:52.53 | CIA-112 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r22336 10/trunk/tools/BZStatCollector/site/ (. config.php_sample db.php index.php): |
| 23:00.39 | CIA-112 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r22337 10/trunk/tools/BZStatCollector/Connector/BZFSList.cs: handle list server failure gracefully |
| 23:07.05 | JeffM | quol, http://www.awesomelaser.com/bz/stats/ that's the crap site I made |
| 23:21.26 | swigg | well! now we no longer need Strayer's |
| 23:21.36 | JeffM | he has a better site |
| 23:21.39 | JeffM | it's just been slow |
| 23:21.59 | swigg | no no! Give me awesome laser of give me death! |
| 23:22.03 | swigg | *or |
| 23:22.09 | JeffM | heh |
| 23:22.19 | JeffM | I just wanted some different stats then he had |
| 23:22.29 | JeffM | and he never got back to me about getting them from his database |
| 23:22.39 | JeffM | tho I would not mind giving him access to my poll data |
| 23:22.45 | JeffM | so there is only one poller |
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| 23:57.06 | jftsang | Hi, can my IRC mask please be removed, since I no longer play IRC? |