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| 16:11.50 | Image_ | Does anyone know why bzflag would crash every times it minimizes? |
| 16:13.55 | blast007 | what operating system? |
| 16:14.05 | Image_ | its old...windows XP |
| 16:14.15 | blast007 | old graphics driver? |
| 16:14.24 | Image_ | er...dunno |
| 16:14.30 | Image_ | i havent upgraded |
| 16:14.39 | blast007 | you could see if there's a newer graphics driver |
| 16:14.54 | Image_ | where could you get it for an ATI one? |
| 16:14.59 | Image_ | if there is one |
| 16:15.00 | blast007 | depends |
| 16:15.03 | blast007 | is it a laptop? |
| 16:15.06 | Image_ | yea |
| 16:15.37 | blast007 | might be out of luck. check on the manufacturer's website. |
| 16:15.45 | Image_ | to be exact "ATI mobility RADEON X300" |
| 16:15.55 | Image_ | AMD right? |
| 16:16.03 | Image_ | since it is ATI? |
| 16:17.26 | blast007 | for the X300 you're probably stuck with that the manufacturer has available |
| 16:17.43 | blast007 | but you could try the "driver autodetect" on AMD's site |
| 16:18.13 | Image_ | ok |
| 16:19.15 | Image_ | Im downloading the catylyst control center |
| 16:19.29 | blast007 | from AMD's site? |
| 16:19.29 | Image_ | Are you going to be at the riker's Cup? |
| 16:19.33 | Image_ | yea |
| 16:19.38 | blast007 | I might watch |
| 16:19.44 | blast007 | dunno yet |
| 16:20.06 | Image_ | i heard you have too be good in order to play? |
| 16:20.12 | Image_ | like really good |
| 16:20.22 | blast007 | also, someone else had this problem on a somewhat older Lenovo/IBM laptop, and updating the graphics driver fixed it |
| 16:20.50 | Image_ | ah really....mine is an IBM also |
| 16:21.48 | Image_ | Was it a thinkpad? |
| 16:21.59 | blast007 | yeah |
| 16:22.12 | blast007 | they had a ThinkPad T43 |
| 16:22.40 | Image_ | heh really? |
| 16:23.04 | Image_ | thats what i am on |
| 16:23.28 | Image_ | i found it for $170 on EBAY |
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| 16:30.17 | Image_ | well i installed...ill see if it works |
| 16:31.05 | Image_ | It does! |
| 16:31.13 | Image_ | thanks |
| 16:31.55 | blast007 | yay |
| 16:31.57 | Image_ | Thanks Blast |
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| 16:32.01 | blast007 | no prob :) |
| 16:32.14 | Image_ | so i guess that is the way to fix it on t43's? |
| 16:32.40 | Image_ | cya |
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| 18:46.28 | swigg | Any other @'s have problems with Dodgson? |
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| 19:00.53 | Supertanker | Darn, too late. |
| 19:00.59 | Supertanker | I have an IBM ThinkPad T43 myself. |
| 19:01.23 | Supertanker | It was almost working perfectly with CentOS 5 and the ATI FGLRX drivers (legacy) from AMD. It just wouldn't hibernate and would crash if I unplugged it or plugged it in while running. :P |
| 19:01.44 | blast007 | he was using XP anyway |
| 19:01.57 | Supertanker | Upgraded to CentOS 6, all the power problems are fixed, oh yeah, I'm in busine--and I find out that the legacy ATI drivers don't support X.org 1.7 :< |
| 19:02.07 | Supertanker | Hmmm, that's way out of my league |
| 19:02.20 | Supertanker | The X300 is a bit buggy on any OS though. |
| 19:02.30 | blast007 | it's an old chipset |
| 19:02.35 | Supertanker | The X1250 in my T60 is much nicer. :> |
| 19:03.04 | Supertanker | And puts out less heat. I killed my T42 (9600, similar to the X300 but AGP) I think because it couldn't adequately cool the chip during gaming. So much for that dinky little heatpipe. |
| 19:03.24 | Supertanker | And I still miss that laptop. :( |
| 19:04.14 | ruskie | Supertanker, amd/ati actually recommends using the open source drivers ;) |
| 19:05.50 | Supertanker | ruskie, it's pretty lousy performance still, but I think it's improved since I last tried them :) |
| 19:06.02 | Supertanker | Because it doesn't actually *crash* randomly anymore as far as I can tell. :P |
| 19:06.13 | ruskie | never had perf probs with them for the last 5/6 years |
| 19:07.02 | ruskie | atleast for the stuff I ran which was mostly bzflag ;) |
| 19:07.03 | I_Died_Once | Supertanker - make sure you cool your system. I let a computer ride with a noisy fan once. See what happened? - http://i.imgur.com/8olS9.jpg |
| 19:07.29 | Supertanker | I_Died_Once, heh, it's a laptop, and it runs hot as heck--mostly because of the video card and the wifi card. |
| 19:07.43 | Supertanker | It's a known design flaw with the T42/43. That's why I like my T60--ridiculously cool and quiet. |
| 19:07.47 | ruskie | it mostly runs hot because of all the hardware in there |
| 19:07.51 | Supertanker | Grumpy computer :P |
| 19:08.14 | Supertanker | That reminds me. My nvidia fx 5500 in my other desktop has a fan that's gonna go one of these days. |
| 19:08.48 | I_Died_Once | I should've went with "my computer is so fast and awesome, no case can contain it without inflicting heat damage!" |
| 19:09.37 | Supertanker | Hahahahaha |
| 19:09.39 | I_Died_Once | or "i hosted a site so awesome, the cpu melted!" |
| 19:10.52 | I_Died_Once | keep it to bzflag, these guy'll get upset with ya, melted computer and all |
| 19:18.07 | brad | riker cup starts in 42 minutes :-) |
| 19:18.27 | I_Died_Once | ctf tourney? |
| 19:18.46 | brad | the bi-annual GU thing |
| 19:18.58 | brad | North America vs Europe |
| 19:19.17 | I_Died_Once | i hate logging on those those servers and not being able to play |
| 19:19.47 | brad | heh |
| 19:20.44 | I_Died_Once | not that i dont support league play, but you shouldnt list those on the server if its a predeterminded game as not to mislead players looking through the list |
| 19:21.22 | I_Died_Once | or use the -advertise group option |
| 19:23.22 | I_Died_Once | would probably spare you some headache as well with the unwanted traffic |
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| 19:23.27 | brad | if people didn't see it on the list, they wouldn't want to join |
| 19:23.40 | brad | it's pretty much the only way of getting new people in to the league |
| 19:24.05 | I_Died_Once | misleading is all i'm saying |
| 19:24.08 | I_Died_Once | much love |
| 19:24.35 | I_Died_Once | I'll tell you what though |
| 19:25.30 | I_Died_Once | if you go through the trouble of making a "billboard" .png advertising your league, I'll put it up on the Planet MoFo billboards |
| 19:25.52 | I_Died_Once | just because we are awesome like that |
| 19:26.07 | I_Died_Once | 512x256 |
| 19:26.25 | brad | not a bad idea that, thanks for the offer:) |
| 19:26.35 | brad | will have to find someone capable |
| 19:27.07 | I_Died_Once | see if we can get it hosted on images.bzflag.whatever if not i'll host it |
| 19:27.39 | I_Died_Once | email or bzbb it to me |
| 19:28.31 | brad | will do, thanks! |
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| 19:52.18 | mdskpr_ | ~bzflist |
| 19:53.01 | Toybox_ | ibot dosn't know how to read the list |
| 19:53.04 | Toybox_ | don't trust it |
| 19:56.06 | Toybox_ | there are 90 people laying on 11 servers right now |
| 19:58.48 | spldart | If this were any other channel ;~) |
| 19:59.18 | Toybox_ | http://www.awesomelaser.com/bz/stats/ has the current and the highs and lows |
| 20:04.06 | Toybox_ | I'm curious to see if it breaks 100 at 8GMT |
| 20:12.23 | mdskpr_ | 77 players at the rikers server...it could easily break 100 |
| 20:12.49 | Toybox_ | mdskpr_, I am not counting observers |
| 20:12.52 | Toybox_ | they are not playing |
| 20:13.13 | Toybox_ | they are watching |
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| 20:17.49 | SpazzyMcGee | Does anybody know if Trepan's auto hunt is in the current release |
| 20:17.51 | SpazzyMcGee | ? |
| 20:18.28 | mdskpr_ | no im pretty sure its not |
| 20:20.16 | Toybox_ | heh, player counts actualy dropped signifigantly at 8, I guess everyone went observer. |
| 20:20.28 | Toybox_ | it'll be interesting to see if they convert to playing after it's over or just logoff |
| 20:36.51 | SpazzyMcGee | It would be nice if it went into the next release. That was an awesome patch |
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| 20:37.16 | SpazzyMcGee | Trepan said it got committed to what was then 2.1 |
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| 20:42.57 | blast007 | SpazzyMcGee: what next release? ;) |
| 20:52.10 | SpazzyMcGee | Well, quite |
| 21:02.29 | Toybox_ | it won't be in 2.4.2 |
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| 21:07.09 | JeffM | hah, I think I hit the limit of how much data google docs can import :) |
| 21:08.17 | SpazzyMcGee | Oh, so that's who toybox is |
| 21:08.30 | JeffM | yeah I didn't realize it had changed my name |
| 21:08.36 | SpazzyMcGee | I was thinking "Who is this guy?" |
| 21:08.37 | JeffM | thats just the name of this PC |
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| 21:50.54 | CIA-112 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r22344 10/trunk/tools/BZStatCollector/site/index.php: cleanup the page display a little and add an auto refresh |
| 21:58.35 | mdskpr_ | JeffM: how do you determine the 'biggest jerk' on your stats page? |
| 22:02.58 | brad | link? |
| 22:03.44 | brad | Gabe_G23: you are biggest jerk according to JeffM :P |
| 22:03.54 | brad | ~congrats Gabe_G23 |
| 22:04.05 | I_Died_Once | is disappointed |
| 22:08.00 | JeffM | mdskpr_, highest tk score :) |
| 23:11.03 | Quol_Home | JeffM, quol.bzflag.net - the graph part is done, and the back-end is done (an api that servers xmlhttp requests to clients..) the graph auto loads new data every minute, and I plan on adding more to it |
| 23:11.16 | Quol_Home | just thought I would share the early results :) |
| 23:12.04 | Quol_Home | bbiab - time to eat :) |
| 23:12.51 | JeffM | looks good |
| 23:15.27 | Gabe_G23 | brad: i don't believe lol |
| 23:27.37 | brad | http://moooo.org/img/1/0dba895.png just a lil FM |
| 23:29.06 | Quol_Home | heh - how was riker's bard? who won? |
| 23:29.16 | brad | NA won :( |
| 23:29.17 | Quol_Home | euro again? |
| 23:29.20 | Quol_Home | ooh |
| 23:29.21 | Quol_Home | really |
| 23:29.22 | brad | smashed us |
| 23:29.23 | Quol_Home | wow |
| 23:29.41 | Quol_Home | all us noob hax0rs :) |
| 23:29.47 | brad | ~blame kierra |
| 23:29.47 | ibot | ACTION blames kierra (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 23:30.11 | Quol_Home | lol - now ibot watches south park? |
| 23:30.15 | brad | heh |
| 23:30.36 | Quol_Home | how was the lag? |
| 23:30.50 | brad | good on the whole.. |
| 23:31.14 | Quol_Home | great..glad to hear it |
| 23:31.43 | brad | barons didn't make an appearance :p |
| 23:32.20 | Quol_Home | well - I haven't seen a baron in a while |
| 23:32.45 | Quol_Home | probably because I have been away :) |
| 23:32.50 | brad | ^^ :) |
| 23:33.50 | JeffM | still didn't break 100 players |
| 23:34.19 | Quol_Home | we came real close lasy year...was high 70's on my server |
| 23:34.24 | Quol_Home | *last |
| 23:34.31 | JeffM | don't count observers |
| 23:34.34 | JeffM | they arn't playing |
| 23:34.40 | JeffM | they are watching |
| 23:34.42 | Quol_Home | heh - true |
| 23:34.52 | JeffM | I was curious to see if those people would play after |
| 23:34.54 | JeffM | and they did not |
| 23:35.04 | JeffM | the player curve looks the same as yesterday |
| 23:35.26 | JeffM | did get a new max of 94 today, up from 91 |
| 23:35.45 | Quol_Home | I guess that's just the size of the community |
| 23:36.02 | brad | JeffM: http://moooo.org/img/1/0dba895.png a lot did |
| 23:36.13 | JeffM | I think it did get a higher precentage of the commuity online at a time, but not all of them were playing |
| 23:36.22 | brad | that was a FM after |
| 23:36.36 | JeffM | it did not raise the cap that I can see |
| 23:36.49 | JeffM | the high point today was at 2012-01-22 21:30:12 GMT |
| 23:36.57 | JeffM | 94 players on 11 servers |
| 23:37.08 | JeffM | down to 67 now |
| 23:37.24 | JeffM | now the low point for today is higher then before |
| 23:37.36 | JeffM | low of 14 up from a week low of 2 |
| 23:38.11 | Quol_Home | ya- that low waas real low..../me wonders if one can also see if there was a list server problem at that time |
| 23:38.14 | kierra_away | NA won without the barons! |
| 23:38.18 | kierra_away | :D |
| 23:38.31 | JeffM | nope, if there was I would not have tracked it |
| 23:38.43 | JeffM | the day before that the low was 4 |
| 23:38.45 | kierra_away | didn't seem to have any global issues at all |
| 23:38.52 | JeffM | so I don't think its out of normal range |
| 23:39.00 | Quol_Home | lol - my 9 year old is holding a guitar hero guitar, and "air guitaring" with eo epica blasting out me definitive technology speakers :) guitar face and all |
| 23:39.04 | Quol_Home | really funny |
| 23:39.09 | JeffM | but see, this is why I want graphs :) |
| 23:39.28 | Quol_Home | JeffM, I be workin on it :) |
| 23:39.36 | JeffM | I know and they look really good |
| 23:39.44 | JeffM | I assume we can use the same system for other graphs |
| 23:39.45 | Quol_Home | cool - ty |
| 23:39.50 | Quol_Home | oh ya |
| 23:39.56 | JeffM | like population and max score of a single server |
| 23:40.34 | Quol_Home | sure - and the backend is pretty flexible |
| 23:40.42 | Quol_Home | so adding new things shouldn't be hard |
| 23:40.45 | JeffM | at the very least I now know what times we should do list maint |
| 23:40.57 | JeffM | between 8 and 2 AM GMT |
| 23:41.02 | Quol_Home | with the same SQL querym, the back end can return csv, xml, or json |
| 23:41.18 | JeffM | I just want graphs :) |
| 23:41.24 | JeffM | I don't care about the backend |
| 23:41.31 | Quol_Home | http://quol.bzflag.net/bzstatsapi.php |
| 23:41.45 | JeffM | what other clients do you expect to use this? |
| 23:42.03 | Quol_Home | I just mean that with this, any front end thing can query it and display the data with graphs or whatever |
| 23:42.16 | Quol_Home | well dygraphs uses xmlhttp requests natively |
| 23:42.19 | Quol_Home | so I needed something |
| 23:42.32 | blast007 | kierra_away: I was watching the list server activity during the switch to the US server. the server was mostly idle. ;) |
| 23:42.33 | Quol_Home | and I figuerd that would make the front end more flexible |
| 23:42.54 | blast007 | so I don't think we have to be as careful about throttling the joining next time |
| 23:43.04 | JeffM | I will moc up how I'd like the site to look tonight using your samples for the graphs |
| 23:43.23 | BulletCatcher | Hooray for having enough RAM. |
| 23:43.28 | blast007 | ;D |
| 23:43.34 | Quol_Home | dygraphs (what I used) expects csv deliever to it - so with the back-end, we can graph whatever we want - and dygraphs just need a URL |
| 23:43.40 | Quol_Home | JeffM, KK |
| 23:43.56 | blast007 | I think it can take data as actual arrays too |
| 23:44.02 | blast007 | so JSON data should work |
| 23:44.11 | Quol_Home | bbiab - gotta spend some time with my boys :) |
| 23:44.12 | JeffM | quol I expect it to all run on the same machine |
| 23:44.20 | Quol_Home | it can |
| 23:44.27 | Quol_Home | all this is running on the same machine |
| 23:44.30 | Quol_Home | now |
| 23:44.54 | blast007 | JeffM: unless you would be doing JSON-P, it'd have to be on the same machine anyway |
| 23:45.05 | Quol_Home | blast007, expects the data in csv format (dygraphs that is) |
| 23:45.51 | Quol_Home | and the backend will auto format any of the queries in json, xml, or csv - that's taken care of...so it's just up to the caller how/what to display the data with |
| 23:46.03 | blast007 | http://dygraphs.com/tests/native-format.html check the second example's code |
| 23:46.54 | Quol_Home | ahh - missed that one |
| 23:47.04 | Quol_Home | ya -javascript arrays look like they work... |
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| 23:47.10 | Quol_Home | anyways - CSV was easy enough |
| 23:47.40 | blast007 | CSV isn't web 2.0 enough though! ;) |
| 23:47.45 | Quol_Home | lol |
| 23:48.23 | Quol_Home | I really don't see a difference between XMLHTTP requesting xml, json, csv, clear text |
| 23:48.25 | blast007 | and it's darn easy to generate JSON output with PHP |
| 23:48.28 | Quol_Home | all the same crap |
| 23:48.48 | blast007 | echo json_encode($your_array); (along with the correct header before that) |
| 23:49.08 | Quol_Home | that depends on the structure of your data, and what the graphing library expects...but ya |
| 23:49.42 | blast007 | well, I'm expecting that if we're using that graphing library that we're generating a proper set of data on the server ;) |
| 23:52.32 | Quol_Home | heh -true |
| 23:57.25 | JeffM | I do not need a system to pass arbitrary condiments |
| 23:59.17 | kierra_away | nice Blast |
