| 00:11.07 | SpazzyMcGee | JeffM: Is Trepan's auto hunt patch (which was made for 2.0.8, I think) still likely to work on the current release? |
| 00:18.21 | JeffM | SpazzyMcGee, sorry, was shooting down sith interceptors. I have no personal knowledge of how it works, try it and see |
| 00:18.52 | SpazzyMcGee | Will do |
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| 00:36.59 | cpast | question about writing plugins |
| 00:37.18 | cpast | is there any reason i can't cay "using namespace std;" at the beginning? |
| 00:37.23 | JeffM | nope |
| 00:37.26 | cpast | ok |
| 00:37.32 | cpast | thx |
| 00:37.59 | JeffM | that's normal C++ |
| 00:38.06 | JeffM | nothing specifc to plugins |
| 00:38.15 | cpast | ok |
| 00:50.49 | cpast | also |
| 00:50.59 | cpast | when i am typing a slash command |
| 00:51.19 | cpast | it seems like pressing "tab" can autocomplete |
| 00:51.26 | cpast | am i remembering wrong, or does it? |
| 00:51.26 | JeffM | yep |
| 00:51.38 | cpast | how do i do that in my plugin? |
| 00:51.40 | JeffM | the client has a list of autocomplete stuff |
| 00:51.45 | JeffM | you donj't it's a client thing |
| 00:51.49 | cpast | oh |
| 00:51.51 | cpast | ok |
| 00:52.01 | JeffM | your plugin is not called untill the end user sends the chat message |
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| 00:59.15 | khonkhortisan | bzflag 3 and 2.4 both have features the other is missing |
| 00:59.31 | blast007 | yep |
| 00:59.48 | JeffM | and some the same |
| 01:00.03 | JeffM | 2.4 was 2.0 with some backports and some new stuff |
| 01:00.13 | JeffM | or some things impelmented differently |
| 01:00.13 | blast007 | and some of the "same" features in 2.4 are better than the ones in 2.99.x |
| 01:00.43 | blast007 | like the HTTP server |
| 01:03.01 | JeffM | indeed |
| 01:04.20 | JeffM | at this rate I don't see the 2.9 codebase ever being used |
| 01:04.25 | JeffM | there is no interest in it |
| 01:14.26 | khonkhortisan | the experimental show-your-tank-in-radar view was taken from 2.0 to 3 and removed from 2.4 |
| 01:15.30 | JeffM | yep |
| 01:15.33 | JeffM | it was buggy as hell |
| 01:15.53 | JeffM | I tried to make it work but we ran into the deadline |
| 01:15.59 | JeffM | and it caused some bad problems on some machines |
| 01:16.03 | JeffM | some crashes even IIRC |
| 01:36.23 | JeffM | Quol_Home, here is some quick mockups of what I was thinking about |
| 01:36.24 | JeffM | http://www.awesomelaser.com/bz/site_layout/ |
| 01:38.04 | JeffM | I am not tied to the layout, that's just the info I'd like to have shown |
| 01:49.39 | Quol_Home | layout looks interesting..I can work on that if you want |
| 01:50.18 | JeffM | pease, I have no idea how to actualy make that in HTML :) |
| 01:55.39 | Quol_Home | heh - alright..I will also rethink the back-end api thing..now that I know you want something like this, I think a more standard site may be in order |
| 01:56.55 | JeffM | yeah I figured having some pictures would help you understand |
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| 05:20.17 | Aimbot | blast |
| 05:20.38 | Rover | blast you there? |
| 05:21.01 | brad | ~blast Aimbot |
| 05:21.02 | ibot | ACTION pulls her blaster and uses Aimbot for target practice |
| 05:21.18 | Rover | :) |
| 05:21.24 | Aimbot | wow rude |
| 05:21.39 | JeffM | he probably went to sleep |
| 05:21.44 | Aimbot | !lart brad |
| 05:21.56 | Rover | Jeff M maybe you could help |
| 05:22.00 | JeffM | possibly |
| 05:22.07 | JeffM | what did you need? |
| 05:22.14 | Rover | I am having trouble with an admin impersonating me... |
| 05:22.24 | JeffM | tell the server owner |
| 05:22.25 | Aimbot | swigg |
| 05:22.36 | Rover | thats what I am working on |
| 05:22.41 | JeffM | send them a PM on bzbb |
| 05:22.46 | Rover | will do |
| 05:22.47 | JeffM | that's all that can be done |
| 05:22.58 | JeffM | the project does not have anything to do with how servers are run |
| 05:23.09 | Rover | ok |
| 05:23.19 | Rover | thanks for your help |
| 05:23.22 | JeffM | sure |
| 05:23.55 | Aimbot | ~blast brad |
| 05:23.55 | ibot | ACTION pulls her blaster and uses brad for target practice |
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| 05:32.44 | CIA-112 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * r22345 10/trunk/tools/BZStatCollector/site/index.php: whitespace |
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| 05:51.34 | swigg | Rov-o blast-o |
| 05:51.42 | Rover | swigg |
| 05:51.49 | swigg | hey man |
| 05:51.53 | Rover | greetings |
| 05:52.00 | swigg | felicitations\ |
| 05:52.06 | Rover | lol |
| 05:53.17 | swigg | How are ya, buuuudy? |
| 05:53.28 | Rover | Hey can you do me a favor drop all the arguements we have had and please have my callsign back? |
| 05:53.40 | swigg | huh? |
| 05:54.12 | swigg | this is for bzflag related chat, take it to BZBB. |
| 05:54.20 | Rover | ... |
| 05:54.38 | Rover | why are you doing this to me? |
| 05:54.40 | swigg | were we arguing? |
| 05:54.49 | Rover | what is your purpose? |
| 05:54.57 | swigg | I am here to help people |
| 05:55.03 | swigg | uphold the rules |
| 05:55.05 | Rover | well do you mind helping me? |
| 05:55.16 | swigg | and assist anyone with a bzflag related issue |
| 05:55.21 | Rover | ok great |
| 05:55.29 | swigg | I will help; yes |
| 05:56.04 | Rover | so you will return my callsign? |
| 05:56.14 | swigg | join ##bztank |
| 05:56.22 | Rover | what for? |
| 05:56.37 | swigg | we aren't allowed to discuss this here |
| 05:56.53 | swigg | game issues only |
| 05:57.34 | swigg | type /join ##bztank |
| 05:58.14 | Rover | going to that chat server wont make a difference |
| 05:58.25 | Rover | judging by your last comments on bzbb |
| 05:58.45 | swigg | go ahead.. trust me.. what do you have to lose? |
| 05:58.48 | JeffM | why did you give up the name? |
| 05:58.59 | JeffM | and swigg stop taunting him |
| 05:59.01 | swigg | He said he didn't want it anymore |
| 05:59.06 | Rover | thank you Jeff M |
| 05:59.07 | JeffM | let him answer |
| 05:59.16 | JeffM | did you change your name Rover? |
| 05:59.17 | Rover | this is what I have been dealing with... |
| 05:59.30 | Rover | A few weeks ago... |
| 05:59.38 | JeffM | then you gave up the old one |
| 05:59.47 | JeffM | and what he did was techincaly allowable |
| 05:59.59 | swigg | he abandoned it almost three months ago |
| 06:00.08 | Rover | I said that I wanted to go back to my older callsign for a few weeks, swigg thought it would be funny to register my callsign.... |
| 06:00.09 | JeffM | swigg: let me speak to him please |
| 06:00.22 | JeffM | Rover: that's his perogative, it was not used |
| 06:00.41 | Rover | But he has been impersonating me at bzflag servers |
| 06:00.41 | JeffM | if you wanted to keep it you should have kept an account tied to it |
| 06:00.46 | Rover | saying that he is Joop |
| 06:00.48 | JeffM | no, it's a different accoutn then you |
| 06:00.54 | JeffM | HE IS joop now |
| 06:00.58 | JeffM | you are no longer joop |
| 06:00.58 | Rover | ... |
| 06:01.04 | JeffM | it's a different bzID |
| 06:01.16 | JeffM | thats why changing names is lame |
| 06:01.20 | Rover | What is his purpose? if he is swigg? to keep my callsign? |
| 06:01.31 | Rover | he is taunting me |
| 06:01.33 | JeffM | we allow people to have multiple accounts |
| 06:01.40 | JeffM | oh I'm sure he is |
| 06:01.40 | Rover | i know |
| 06:01.50 | JeffM | mostly because you react like you do |
| 06:01.57 | JeffM | but honestly he does not have to give it back |
| 06:01.59 | JeffM | so I'd move on |
| 06:02.04 | Rover | this is causing me, plus many others to stop playing bzflag because of matters like these |
| 06:02.20 | Rover | very simple, just return the callsign |
| 06:02.28 | Rover | lost players, loss of a great game |
| 06:02.38 | Rover | very sad |
| 06:02.41 | JeffM | there is no policy in place to force that |
| 06:02.45 | JeffM | techincaly this is your fault |
| 06:02.54 | JeffM | what if a new user had picked that name? |
| 06:03.27 | Rover | I would not have cared, but when swigg goes around telling people that he is Joop, that angers me |
| 06:03.29 | JeffM | why did you not let your friends know that you changed names? |
| 06:03.39 | JeffM | he is joop, he is the owner of the account |
| 06:03.57 | Rover | Because i wouldn't think, that a nice person, such as swigg, to do this |
| 06:04.07 | JeffM | he is not a nice person |
| 06:04.18 | Rover | What is the purpose to impersonate me then? |
| 06:04.25 | JeffM | but we can't force people to be nice |
| 06:04.28 | Rover | and to taunt |
| 06:04.48 | Rover | He is an admin, admins are not allowed to taunt players... |
| 06:04.56 | swigg | My only problem with giving it back was that you made threats. |
| 06:05.02 | JeffM | actualy it's the owner that says what an admin can do |
| 06:05.08 | Rover | What threat? |
| 06:05.16 | swigg | I was actually parking it for you so that no one else would steal it |
| 06:05.19 | Rover | please repeat my exact words please? |
| 06:05.26 | swigg | so I was doing you a favor |
| 06:05.27 | JeffM | swigg: can you give it back and end this stupidity? |
| 06:05.30 | Rover | I know but you never returned it |
| 06:05.38 | swigg | Jeff, for you, yes. |
| 06:05.53 | JeffM | and please try to be nicer |
| 06:05.58 | JeffM | I know what you were doing |
| 06:05.58 | swigg | noted. |
| 06:06.04 | Rover | Thank you swigg, and thank you for your time JeffM |
| 06:06.12 | JeffM | and Rover please think more before you do things |
| 06:06.16 | JeffM | it's just a name |
| 06:06.32 | Rover | Will do |
| 06:06.47 | JeffM | and really he can do WHATEVER the owner allows on a server |
| 06:06.59 | JeffM | I could make a server that autmaticly banns Gingers |
| 06:07.04 | JeffM | be fully ok |
| 06:07.05 | Rover | haha :) |
| 06:07.31 | Rover | I'm just an old fart on bzflag :) |
| 06:07.32 | JeffM | just like firefox can't do anything about a website you go to, we can't do anything about a server you go to |
| 06:07.40 | JeffM | how old are you? |
| 06:07.57 | Rover | in bzflag years, 6 years ago |
| 06:08.05 | JeffM | cus I'd think an older person would have thought about it before giving up the name |
| 06:08.09 | JeffM | I mean in age |
| 06:08.19 | JeffM | cus how long you have been on bzflag dosn't matter much :) |
| 06:08.25 | Rover | I don't like to give out my age, just a preference :) |
| 06:08.31 | JeffM | ok, then you are young |
| 06:08.34 | JeffM | and that makes sense |
| 06:08.37 | swigg | Well... go grab it back before I change my mind |
| 06:08.43 | swigg | 3 |
| 06:08.47 | JeffM | be nice |
| 06:08.51 | swigg | 2 |
| 06:08.54 | JeffM | really |
| 06:08.55 | Rover | Thank you swigg |
| 06:08.58 | swigg | :P |
| 06:09.05 | swigg | I was never going to keep it |
| 06:09.06 | Rover | And thank you JeffM |
| 06:09.07 | JeffM | cus this kinda attuidue will get you booted from here |
| 06:09.30 | JeffM | he was dumb for letting it go, you were an ass for taunting him with it |
| 06:09.41 | swigg | I was handling it in PM |
| 06:09.45 | swigg | no joke |
| 06:09.47 | JeffM | ok |
| 06:09.52 | JeffM | well it spilled over |
| 06:09.58 | JeffM | so that should end it |
| 06:10.02 | swigg | agreed |
| 06:10.09 | JeffM | kids tend to go to mom very fast |
| 06:10.18 | swigg | but I figured that rewarding threats would send a bad message |
| 06:10.46 | JeffM | well making him understand that he should not have done that is one thing, abbusing your power on a server is a different thing |
| 06:10.55 | JeffM | man this is so why I want official servers :) |
| 06:11.04 | swigg | Oh I did; I stated that implicitly in PM |
| 06:11.06 | JeffM | have policies in place for this stuff |
| 06:11.34 | swigg | Abusing. man, that hurt |
| 06:11.46 | JeffM | I've heard of you doing it before ;) |
| 06:11.53 | JeffM | wants a test to be an admin |
| 06:11.58 | JeffM | and to pay them |
| 06:12.06 | swigg | so have I. I have yet to see a documented case, though :P |
| 06:12.21 | JeffM | yeah.. you arn't helping your case with comments like that |
| 06:13.13 | swigg | I can understand,,, but still.. the bad guy never sees himself as such; Not even in the movies |
| 06:13.45 | swigg | People tend to regret things not because they are at fault but for the result of their actions |
| 06:13.46 | JeffM | indeed, tho those that can see themselves how others see them are generaly better off at detecting it |
| 06:14.09 | Rover | JeffM how long does an email activation take to be sent to an email account? |
| 06:14.15 | JeffM | 34 seconds |
| 06:14.20 | Rover | thanks |
| 06:14.29 | swigg | *puff puff* |
| 06:14.36 | JeffM | that was a joke |
| 06:14.42 | JeffM | it sends it imediately |
| 06:14.48 | JeffM | the rest is up to your email provider |
| 06:14.59 | Rover | Hmm, for some reason haven't received it yet |
| 06:15.09 | swigg | rover: why the emergency all of a sudden? |
| 06:15.12 | JeffM | did you put in the correct email address? |
| 06:15.20 | Rover | Hope so :) |
| 06:15.29 | JeffM | if you did not then you are boned |
| 06:15.32 | Rover | ill check my account online, no worries |
| 06:15.44 | swigg | heck, I had the thing for weeks, you didn't raise a fuss before. :P |
| 06:15.47 | JeffM | this is the problem with rushing |
| 06:15.54 | JeffM | and freaking out |
| 06:16.10 | swigg | ./query Jeffm |
| 06:16.13 | swigg | oops |
| 06:16.16 | JeffM | heh |
| 06:17.01 | Rover | Well, i think I lost it haha |
| 06:17.17 | JeffM | dosn't make it better |
| 06:17.24 | JeffM | it's just a silly tank game |
| 06:17.29 | JeffM | and not a good one at that |
| 06:17.45 | Rover | Yeah, just its better when its not in the hands of swigg ;) |
| 06:18.31 | JeffM | he has no controll over the death of the game, that's on it's way naturualy |
| 06:18.50 | JeffM | we'll see if the stats I am keeping aligh with your statements, |
| 06:19.04 | JeffM | acording to you I should see a HUGE bump in players now that you have your name back |
| 06:19.12 | swigg | aw, I am a good player and youknow it |
| 06:19.17 | Rover | Yeah true, its activity spiked a few years ago, and is kinda declining |
| 06:19.18 | JeffM | yet somehow I doubt that it will change at all |
| 06:19.20 | swigg | I've pwned you much |
| 06:19.23 | JeffM | kinda? |
| 06:19.30 | JeffM | more then kinda |
| 06:19.37 | JeffM | we have nearly 3 servers per player now |
| 06:19.52 | JeffM | it gets down to counts as low as 2 players at night |
| 06:19.52 | swigg | if runescape can flourish, so will this community |
| 06:20.09 | JeffM | runescape has a real company behind it and funding |
| 06:20.50 | swigg | I have offered to donate |
| 06:21.18 | JeffM | sure, that goes to tim |
| 06:21.20 | JeffM | a black hole |
| 06:21.25 | Rover | Jeff, if I want to activate Joop in the future, who should I contact, since I sent it to the wrong email i guess? |
| 06:21.38 | JeffM | blast or one of the other forum admins |
| 06:21.45 | Rover | Ok thanks |
| 06:22.22 | Aimbot | glad to see you got it back rover..thanks swig |
| 06:22.40 | Rover | Thanks aimbot |
| 06:24.09 | Rover | Ah its been activated |
| 06:24.28 | Rover | Just took >34 sec to receive activation email :) |
| 06:24.30 | Aimbot | good news |
| 06:24.45 | JeffM | as I said, up to your email provider |
| 06:24.55 | JeffM | gmail takes a while to process messages |
| 06:24.59 | JeffM | they get a few a day |
| 06:25.01 | Aimbot | apologies for that poll swigg...but other than that i don't understand how i harrassed you in pm :p |
| 06:25.22 | Rover | Alright, have a goodnight, thank you again JeffM for solving this issue, and thank you swigg for returning my callsign |
| 06:25.24 | swigg | I'll send you a note later explaining it all. Take care |
| 06:25.29 | Aimbot | it's surprising to see all these old names on here. cya rover |
| 06:25.41 | JeffM | Rover: just think before you act in the future |
| 06:25.56 | JeffM | if it happens again, there will be less options for you |
| 06:26.08 | Rover | Will do, have a goodnight |
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| 06:28.16 | JeffM | and why did the 2 of them need to come in and both talk about it? |
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| 06:36.52 | swigg | safety in numbers |
| 06:36.56 | swigg | mob rules |
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| 07:17.38 | swigg | safety in numbers? |
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| 20:04.10 | apeman | does patching diff files work if the file to be patched had some newlines put in places (i.e. line numbers changed, content didn't really) |
| 20:04.41 | blast007 | huh? you're patching a patch..? |
| 20:08.38 | apeman | no |
| 20:09.05 | apeman | i said patching diff files in case there are any other files that patch stuff |
| 20:10.45 | blast007 | a diff file is patch file. |
| 20:11.00 | blast007 | so what you mean is that you're applying a patch/diff to your source code |
| 20:11.06 | apeman | yes |
| 20:11.14 | blast007 | is it a unified diff file? |
| 20:11.44 | blast007 | (one created from 'svn diff' would be unified by default, iirc) |
| 20:12.29 | apeman | not sure |
| 20:13.11 | apeman | lets say it is |
| 20:17.28 | blast007 | then it might apply just fine |
| 20:17.28 | blast007 | have you tried applying it? |
| 20:18.08 | apeman | yea, it worked |
| 20:18.29 | apeman | just wondering if theres some specs to when it can work |
| 20:22.21 | blast007 | if it doesn't work, it will tell you which chunk failed, and will keep trying to apply the other chunks |
| 20:22.32 | blast007 | and then you can manually patch in those failed chunks |
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| 20:38.32 | kierra | ~blast007++ |
| 20:38.38 | kierra | thanks again for hosting |
| 20:39.08 | blast007 | no problem :) |
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| 21:20.30 | JeffM | you didn't break 100 kierra :( |
| 21:29.18 | kierra | 100 players? |
| 21:29.28 | kierra | was i supposed to? |
| 21:30.07 | kierra | did we bet $$? ;) |
| 21:30.25 | kierra | I think maybe you owe me :) |
| 21:30.41 | JeffM | someone was braging that player counts would go up during the rikers |
| 21:30.54 | JeffM | I said I didn't think it would break 100 |
| 21:31.00 | kierra | hmm, i missed that chat |
| 21:31.02 | JeffM | it actualy made real player counts go down |
| 21:31.08 | JeffM | cus everyone went to observer |
| 21:31.26 | kierra | they had to, only 20 players allowed on the field |
| 21:31.26 | JeffM | sadly most of the observers did not convert to players after it was over :( |
| 21:31.30 | JeffM | I know |
| 21:31.40 | JeffM | but I was thinking that people would play before and after maybe |
| 21:31.43 | JeffM | they did not |
| 21:31.46 | kierra | we had a large fm afterwards |
| 21:32.06 | JeffM | the total players wern't that different from the day before at the same time |
| 21:32.11 | kierra | plus sunday eve is church nite for a lot of US |
| 21:32.23 | JeffM | the max did bump from 91 to 94 |
| 21:32.35 | kierra | and the football game was last nite |
| 21:33.09 | JeffM | it'll be interesting to see what your open toruny brings up then |
| 21:33.46 | kierra | players had fun playing, and being monday morning quarterbacks in obs |
| 21:33.59 | kierra | thats important to me :) |
| 21:34.59 | kierra | plus NA beat the pants off of europe :D |
| 21:35.19 | JeffM | why no love for the southern americas |
| 21:35.22 | JeffM | or the africas |
| 21:35.36 | kierra | or kiwis or aussies |
| 21:35.48 | kierra | been thinking about something for them as well |
| 21:35.55 | kierra | but everyone cries about lag |
| 21:36.14 | JeffM | get a game that isn't so lag sensitve :) |
| 21:36.23 | kierra | dev one for me :) |
| 21:36.27 | JeffM | workin on it |
| 21:36.32 | JeffM | need more people |
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| 21:36.51 | kierra | well, you dont need me helping....would if i had the skillset |
| 21:37.03 | JeffM | learn more :) |
| 21:37.20 | JeffM | create the admin system rules |
| 21:37.31 | JeffM | and the spec for the leauge system |
| 21:37.45 | kierra | hmmm, would admins follow / enforce their own rules????? |
| 21:37.58 | JeffM | only on community servers |
| 21:38.02 | JeffM | I mean for the offical servers |
| 21:38.07 | JeffM | and the paid admin team |
| 21:38.29 | kierra | you would trust me with that? |
| 21:38.38 | JeffM | to write up the doc for it, sure |
| 21:38.45 | JeffM | it'd be a starting place for review |
| 21:38.57 | kierra | omg, just dont tell anyone its from me |
| 21:39.12 | kierra | i have enough trouble from players |
| 21:39.14 | JeffM | someone has to start the docs for each bit |
| 21:39.40 | JeffM | the important thing is to detach yourself from how bz works now when writing it |
| 21:39.42 | kierra | You're making me put my words where my mouth is |
| 21:39.45 | JeffM | and think of a bigger/better future |
| 21:40.04 | JeffM | that will eventualy get scaled back to something closer to reality :) |
| 21:41.43 | apeman | how do you use fastmap? |
| 21:42.00 | JeffM | load the plugin |
| 21:42.02 | JeffM | that's it |
| 21:42.05 | JeffM | it does the rest |
| 21:43.18 | apeman | does it work for randomly generated maps? |
| 21:43.22 | JeffM | yep |
| 21:43.29 | apeman | i tried for that, it didn't seem to load faster |
| 21:43.30 | JeffM | it creates a cache of whatever map is loaded |
| 21:43.35 | blast007 | why would you need fastmap for that? |
| 21:43.43 | blast007 | the map is already tiiiny |
| 21:43.44 | JeffM | yeah small maps don't get much of a boost |
| 21:43.55 | apeman | cos i was messing with density to get 100kb map |
| 21:43.58 | blast007 | heck, it might fit into 1KB :P |
| 21:44.05 | blast007 | ah |
| 21:44.06 | JeffM | that map is probably less then 2 k, and the HTML overhead is more then that |
| 21:44.12 | blast007 | was it 100KB compressed? |
| 21:44.19 | JeffM | yeah the cache is compressed |
| 21:44.33 | blast007 | we send binary data, not the text |
| 21:44.50 | JeffM | so your mileage may varry |
| 21:45.15 | blast007 | debug output will show you both sizes |
| 21:45.21 | blast007 | I forget at which debug level, though. |
| 21:45.53 | apeman | speed looks the same, i'm pretty sure i can download faster than 1-2 kb/s |
| 21:46.09 | JeffM | then put a breakpoint on the client and see if it gets the URL |
| 21:46.41 | JeffM | there are some cases, I forget when, that it'll fallback to the normal download |
| 21:46.58 | apeman | ill try with world file |
| 21:47.45 | JeffM | is your server public? |
| 21:47.50 | apeman | no |
| 21:47.55 | JeffM | that is why |
| 21:48.03 | JeffM | it only does the download for publics |
| 21:48.15 | JeffM | it assumes non publics are on lan and the lat time is near 0 |
| 21:48.21 | JeffM | lag |
| 21:48.28 | apeman | ah its on remote server though |
| 21:48.29 | JeffM | so binary transfer is faster |
| 21:48.33 | JeffM | ok |
| 21:48.34 | apeman | not public as in not on list |
| 21:48.42 | JeffM | that is what it checks for |
| 21:48.45 | JeffM | if the server is public |
| 21:48.55 | JeffM | edit the plugin to not check for that |
| 21:49.13 | JeffM | remove !bz_getPublic() from virtual void Event(bz_EventData * eventData) |
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| 21:53.23 | apeman | still seems same speed |
| 21:53.38 | apeman | though in client there is some requesting world hash thing at start |
| 21:53.56 | JeffM | yep |
| 21:54.00 | JeffM | that's checking your cache |
| 21:54.08 | JeffM | to see if you have the map already |
| 21:58.41 | apeman | ok it does work when i make it public, even though i think i took oub bz_getPublic |
| 21:59.03 | JeffM | did you rebuild the plugin after you made that change? |
| 21:59.10 | apeman | yea |
| 22:02.25 | apeman | private server is still giving the FastMap: Running local HTTP server for maps using URL http://localhost:5154/fastmap/ |
| 22:02.38 | apeman | could it be the client does something different |
| 22:02.58 | JeffM | yeah that's an invalid URL to the server for the client |
| 22:03.12 | JeffM | thats' why it needs public cus it needs the public addr |
| 22:03.17 | JeffM | to build up the URL |
| 22:03.36 | apeman | ohh |
| 22:03.46 | JeffM | the client is tyring to use that URL and there is no HTTP server on your local port |
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| 22:15.14 | Propane_Tank | do you have to run make install to get the .so of the plugin or does make work? if so, where does it put the .so file? |
| 22:15.27 | mdskpr_ | yes you have to run make install |
| 22:15.50 | Propane_Tank | oh. |
| 22:15.55 | mdskpr_ | it will deposit the .so file wherever you specified --prefix. Usually it defaults to /usr/local |
| 22:16.15 | Propane_Tank | so in other words I should download the latest version of bzfs server and update |
| 22:16.43 | mdskpr_ | why? |
| 22:16.49 | Propane_Tank | is the bleeding edge version of bzflag bug tested, or is there bound to be issues? |
| 22:16.59 | Propane_Tank | err at least somewhat bug tested |
| 22:17.03 | JeffM | many servers run from svn |
| 22:17.07 | Propane_Tank | i know |
| 22:17.13 | JeffM | so it's as tested as the releases we make |
| 22:17.16 | Propane_Tank | and i don't get that many people to play on it |
| 22:17.21 | JeffM | there arn't that many changes |
| 22:17.28 | Propane_Tank | hmmm |
| 22:18.44 | JeffM | you will be fine |
| 22:18.44 | Propane_Tank | shoot. gotta get it from svn. nevermind. or is that easy? |
| 22:18.50 | JeffM | thats easy |
| 22:18.58 | JeffM | as I said, most servers run from SVN |
| 22:19.57 | Propane_Tank | does source forges generic svn access code work? or do i need to add /trunk? |
| 22:20.09 | JeffM | read the wiki page on svn |
| 22:20.19 | JeffM | cus that sentance dosn't make any sense |
| 22:21.04 | blast007 | mdskpr_: you don't have to run make install to get the .so |
| 22:21.16 | JeffM | just make |
| 22:21.18 | blast007 | Propane_Tank: the .so is built into the .libs directory of the plugin |
| 22:21.20 | blast007 | ... |
| 22:21.29 | mdskpr_ | oh..... |
| 22:21.35 | JeffM | another quality server host |
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| 22:22.09 | blast007 | Propane_Tank: the .so is built into the .libs directory of the plugin |
| 22:22.39 | Propane_Tank | .libs, no such file or directory |
| 22:22.48 | blast007 | but generally you 'make install' once you're done (assuming you're on Linux) so that you can just do -loadplugin SomePlugin instead of having to do -loadplugin /path/to/plugin/SomePlugin.so |
| 22:23.09 | apeman | .libs is hidden |
| 22:23.09 | Propane_Tank | i followed the instructions on the wiki |
| 22:23.19 | apeman | like all . folders :P |
| 22:23.22 | Propane_Tank | i know that |
| 22:23.27 | Propane_Tank | i'm on command line |
| 22:23.40 | JeffM | the folder is created after you do a make, before the make install |
| 22:23.57 | Propane_Tank | oh wait. i ran make clean cause i was gonna upgrade |
| 22:24.00 | JeffM | then follow the build instructions in the readme files |
| 22:24.20 | Propane_Tank | upgrades bzflag |
| 22:24.31 | JeffM | then if you are trying to add a third party plugin you have to add it to the build system and make it |
| 22:24.41 | Propane_Tank | uh huh. |
| 22:30.47 | Propane_Tank | do i need to clean out the old version of bzflag before I install the new or just overwrite? |
| 22:31.07 | JeffM | depends on your setup |
| 22:31.25 | Propane_Tank | well i'm adding the turret plugin and i didn't compile bzadmin this time |
| 22:31.39 | JeffM | bzadmin hasn't changed |
| 22:31.57 | Propane_Tank | has it ever changed since it was born? |
| 22:32.06 | JeffM | yes |
| 22:32.26 | Propane_Tank | when was it last changed? |
| 22:32.35 | JeffM | I do not know off the top of my head |
| 22:32.39 | Propane_Tank | oh |
| 22:32.42 | JeffM | you would have to look at the SVN log |
| 22:32.44 | blast007 | Propane_Tank: you know how your parents said there isn't any stupid questions? they lied. |
| 22:32.57 | JeffM | yeah there is some reaserch ou can do on all this |
| 22:33.01 | JeffM | the info is out there |
| 22:33.01 | Propane_Tank | that means everyone has lied to me... |
| 22:34.03 | blast007 | kinda silly to not build bzadmin though.. it's tiny |
| 22:34.19 | Propane_Tank | i don't use it. |
| 22:34.26 | blast007 | then get rid of it |
| 22:35.00 | Propane_Tank | and for some reason it doesn't like to stay connected to my server anyways. used it once on my win server to connect and it would disconnect after like 5 min |
| 22:35.12 | blast007 | bzadmin is not a logging system |
| 22:35.24 | Propane_Tank | whats the point of it |
| 22:35.35 | blast007 | bzflag server administation ... |
| 22:35.52 | JeffM | you log in, ban someone, and log out |
| 22:35.59 | JeffM | with out starting a full client |
| 22:36.08 | blast007 | bzadmin uses more CPU than the server :P |
| 22:36.18 | blast007 | and if the server crashes, bzadmin goes into an infinite loop |
| 22:36.19 | Propane_Tank | it's almost quicker to start the full client |
| 22:36.19 | JeffM | most clients do |
| 22:36.30 | blast007 | Propane_Tank: not if you don't have a GUI available |
| 22:36.33 | JeffM | not when a game will get you fired at work |
| 22:36.38 | blast007 | that too :) |
| 22:36.54 | JeffM | goes to talk to a lady about a degree |
| 22:39.19 | Propane_Tank | does make install put the plugin in /usr/local/lib/bzflag? |
| 22:39.39 | Propane_Tank | i found it |
| 22:39.45 | Propane_Tank | put it inside bzflag... |
| 22:43.44 | Propane_Tank | how does the pid thing work...is that easy to setup? |
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| 23:08.11 | blast007 | Propane_Tank: the -pidfile option? |
| 23:08.27 | blast007 | you just put it to a spot that the user running bzfs can write to |
| 23:08.36 | blast007 | it makes a file by that name with the PID of bzfs |
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| 23:50.13 | cpast | for bzadmin, is it a bad idea to use bzadmin -ui stdout for logging? |
| 23:50.45 | blast007 | cpast: it's a bad idea to use bzadmin for logging. period. |
| 23:50.57 | cpast | ok |
| 23:51.23 | blast007 | it is for administration, not logging. if you want logs, use the built-in logging in bzfs, or use the logDetail plugin |
| 23:51.35 | cpast | built-in logging = -d? |
| 23:51.40 | blast007 | yeah |
| 23:51.44 | cpast | ok |
| 23:51.50 | cpast | thanks |
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