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| 01:27.38 | I_Died_Once | whats the in game commend to see who is a member of what group? |
| 01:34.16 | blast007 | /showgroup maybe? I get all those commands confused... |
| 01:34.22 | blast007 | you can do /? to see all the commands |
| 01:34.41 | blast007 | and then stuff like /show? to show help on on the commands that start with 'show' |
| 01:38.48 | I_Died_Once | Apocalypse top of list server |
| 01:38.51 | I_Died_Once | yay |
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| 03:53.21 | allejo | hmmm how would i set gravity via the api? as a string or double? i ask because of the negative factor |
| 03:58.07 | JeffM | a double |
| 03:58.15 | JeffM | it's because it goes down |
| 03:58.18 | JeffM | and Z+ is up |
| 03:59.52 | JeffM | why would a negative value imply a string? |
| 04:00.31 | apeman | u can set it as string anyway |
| 04:00.52 | JeffM | yeah it'll reparse to a double |
| 04:01.20 | JeffM | I just wonder why he went to a string as a possible one :) |
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| 04:22.29 | allejo | ugh rebooting |
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| 15:30.20 | CIA-113 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r22353 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/AccessControlList.cxx: |
| 15:30.20 | CIA-113 | BZFlag: Refactor AccessControlList::validate() to avoid warnings from nesting ntohl() macro inside htonl() macro. |
| 15:30.20 | CIA-113 | BZFlag: The new version avoids htonl() altogether and is more efficient. |
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| 17:20.52 | kierra | hi Rex |
| 17:21.45 | kierra | Does Tim only handle Coppa agreements? |
| 17:21.51 | JeffM | yes |
| 17:21.56 | kierra | ty JeffM |
| 17:22.02 | JeffM | he is who would be sued by parrents |
| 17:22.19 | kierra | np, it's what i thought, just verifying |
| 17:22.23 | JeffM | if they are sent by email he is usualy pretty good about them |
| 17:23.10 | Rex | hey |
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| 17:28.26 | JeffM | blast007, that boy likes to quote dosn't he? |
| 17:29.11 | blast007 | re: COPPA.. you sure it would be Tim that would get sued? I mean, I'm hosting the actual sites now. |
| 17:29.22 | JeffM | true |
| 17:29.51 | JeffM | they could probably have reasons to go after both of you |
| 17:29.57 | blast007 | yay |
| 17:30.02 | JeffM | techincaly you should have a copy of all the letters as well |
| 17:30.16 | blast007 | disables registration for users under 13 |
| 17:30.23 | JeffM | I'd be for it |
| 17:30.25 | blast007 | ;) |
| 17:30.32 | JeffM | make them have a parent register and give them the account |
| 17:30.38 | JeffM | then our liability is nill |
| 17:31.51 | JeffM | I mean to do it proper they have to have a parrent involved anyway, so may as well make it easier on the parrent then sending an email, just have them do the registration |
| 17:32.02 | JeffM | so on the kids end it's the same work |
| 17:32.23 | blast007 | our liability is probably close to nill already since they have to *lie* to register without a COPPA letter if they're under 13 |
| 17:32.29 | JeffM | yes |
| 17:32.41 | JeffM | thats why I think blocking under 13 is fine |
| 17:32.46 | JeffM | it won't affect any actual players |
| 17:32.53 | JeffM | those that lie will continue to lie |
| 17:32.59 | blast007 | yeah |
| 17:33.04 | JeffM | those that want a parrent to do it right will just have them reg for them |
| 17:33.29 | JeffM | all we have to do change the message we show to tell them that parrents should register |
| 17:34.15 | blast007 | though I'm not sure if telling them to have their parents register an account for them is as legally "safe" as having the COPPA letters |
| 17:34.29 | blast007 | shrugs |
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| 17:34.59 | blast007 | IANAL, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night |
| 17:35.16 | blast007 | current way probably works well enough |
| 17:39.36 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.40 | JeffM | and not tell them what to do with it |
| 17:39.58 | JeffM | "you must have your parrent access this system" |
| 17:40.03 | JeffM | or something like that |
| 17:40.20 | JeffM | I say block it and lets see how many complain |
| 17:40.33 | JeffM | it can't be that many |
| 17:40.50 | JeffM | and you are right, you are probably more liable then tim |
| 17:41.05 | JeffM | if he got sued he could have it redirected to you |
| 17:41.19 | JeffM | so it's whatever you are comfortable with |
| 17:42.23 | JeffM | most of the COPPA letters are writen wrong anyway :) |
| 17:42.43 | JeffM | they grant the child the right to use the site, not grant the site the right to store data |
| 17:42.44 | blast007 | I think I'll just leave it as is for now |
| 17:46.33 | blast007 | if anything, I'd probably just change the COPPA stuff to come to me |
| 17:46.48 | JeffM | sounds reasonable |
| 17:47.23 | JeffM | I wonder who actualy owns the user database |
| 17:47.33 | JeffM | cus it sounds like it's you now |
| 17:48.01 | blast007 | bwahahaha.er. I mean.. "interesting" |
| 17:48.05 | JeffM | heh |
| 17:48.14 | JeffM | it's not licensed and we just do de-facto transfters |
| 17:48.43 | blast007 | if only there was, like, some kind of "organization" thing that we could assign stuff to |
| 17:48.49 | blast007 | though probably not worth it anymore ;) |
| 17:48.50 | JeffM | indeed |
| 17:48.54 | blast007 | not for BZFlag anyway |
| 17:48.57 | JeffM | no |
| 17:49.11 | JeffM | I'd not do a non profit, I'd do a for profit that makes no profit :) |
| 17:49.32 | JeffM | it's simpler |
| 17:51.43 | JeffM | there wold be a few fees but as long as there was some income and contractors willing to take pay for work it would not be too hard to make it have a minimal tax payment |
| 17:51.53 | JeffM | and there would be a lot fewer limitations |
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| 18:04.15 | TD-Linux | IIRC my sister actually sent you guys a coppa letter a long time ago XD |
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| 18:05.01 | JeffM | that would have gone to tim |
| 18:05.05 | JeffM | I've never seen a letter |
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| 18:26.59 | JeffM | looks like nevada would be the simplest state to form an LLC in |
| 18:36.06 | blast007 | TD-Linux: the child shouldn't send the letter. the parent should. |
| 18:46.52 | JeffM | if the child sends it, it's forgery ;) |
| 18:47.00 | JeffM | and NO CHILD ever forges anything |
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| 19:02.16 | I_Died_Once | cans omeone link me to the wiki on help files? |
| 19:02.20 | I_Died_Once | **can someone |
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| 19:04.44 | JeffM | huh? |
| 19:04.54 | JeffM | what exactly are you looking for? |
| 19:05.53 | Quol | I_Died_Once, do you mean in game help files...like with /help? |
| 19:06.20 | I_Died_Once | I'm making help files, i wanna see, one the syntax for the conf |
| 19:06.29 | I_Died_Once | and two, what, if any, formatting is involved |
| 19:07.05 | I_Died_Once | we had a lot of confused players last night and i am making help files to clarify some things |
| 19:07.32 | I_Died_Once | i'm finding everything but what i am looking for |
| 19:07.43 | Quol | I think they were in the bzfs manpage.. |
| 19:07.45 | JeffM | I'm not sure there is a wiki page on it |
| 19:07.47 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:08.53 | JeffM | the command line stuff is in the command line options list |
| 19:08.57 | Quol | ya - just -helpmsg <filename>, and /help <message> will just print whatever is in the filenames (if I remember correctly) |
| 19:09.19 | Quol | err - -helpmsg <file> <name> maybe |
| 19:09.42 | JeffM | I don't think it has any fancy formating |
| 19:09.47 | JeffM | just up to 10 lines of text |
| 19:10.28 | Quol | I use this in my old ducati match server - in the bzfs config file: -helpmsg /etc/helptexts/admin.hlp admins |
| 19:10.39 | Quol | and then admin.hlp is just text |
| 19:10.45 | Quol | and accessed through /help admins |
| 19:10.54 | I_Died_Once | ok, so its.... |
| 19:11.13 | I_Died_Once | -helpmsg /path/to/text/txt (topic) |
| 19:11.18 | JeffM | yes |
| 19:11.27 | JeffM | and up to 10 lines of text in the file |
| 19:11.40 | I_Died_Once | how long is each line? |
| 19:11.52 | I_Died_Once | i got a lot to help! |
| 19:11.55 | JeffM | I would not recomend them to be very long |
| 19:11.57 | Quol | I wouldn't make them too long - as the client has to display them |
| 19:12.04 | JeffM | it is not for a novel |
| 19:12.16 | Quol | probably default 80 characters should be sufficient |
| 19:12.30 | blast007 | I don't think I even do 80 |
| 19:12.39 | Quol | default meaning old console default |
| 19:12.48 | JeffM | I would keep it at like 40 |
| 19:12.56 | JeffM | people won't read a big volume of text |
| 19:12.57 | I_Died_Once | 40 CHARACTERS PER LINE? |
| 19:13.00 | I_Died_Once | sorry, caps |
| 19:13.20 | JeffM | go look at how many characters you can see in your chat on one line |
| 19:13.34 | JeffM | but yeah I'd keep it at like 40 per line max |
| 19:13.34 | Quol | JeffM, I think it wraps lines...no? |
| 19:13.37 | JeffM | it may |
| 19:13.39 | Quol | the client that is |
| 19:13.39 | blast007 | I seem to limit it around 60 |
| 19:13.41 | JeffM | but that looks like crud |
| 19:14.06 | JeffM | it also dumps them as one big message, so big volumes of text will cause the server and client to stall as it sends |
| 19:14.39 | JeffM | if you need a lot of text I'd make a plugin that trickled it out |
| 19:15.28 | I_Died_Once | i dont wanna go that far |
| 19:15.31 | blast007 | does it only support 10 lines? some of mine are longer than that |
| 19:15.59 | I_Died_Once | I appreaciate the help though |
| 19:16.00 | JeffM | the docs say 10 |
| 19:16.11 | Quol | 10 characters per line? |
| 19:16.18 | Quol | oof - nvm |
| 19:16.20 | blast007 | seems to work with longer than 10.. had one sent 15 |
| 19:16.21 | I_Died_Once | trying to decide what all i need to write help docs for |
| 19:16.45 | Quol | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.49 | Quol | :) |
| 19:17.02 | blast007 | that's a short one. "Send all money to blast" |
| 19:17.03 | I_Died_Once | yup yup Quol |
| 19:17.04 | blast007 | ;) |
| 19:17.43 | Quol | heh |
| 19:18.04 | JeffM | I wonder how much people have actualy donated |
| 19:18.14 | I_Died_Once | millions! |
| 19:18.21 | I_Died_Once | (of peso's!) |
| 19:18.24 | JeffM | then they be gettin ripped off |
| 19:18.33 | I_Died_Once | oh don't hate |
| 19:18.46 | I_Died_Once | we paid the server bill |
| 19:18.58 | JeffM | did you? |
| 19:19.09 | I_Died_Once | its not like anyone got a new bentley |
| 19:19.10 | JeffM | who runs the list server again? |
| 19:19.22 | blast007 | I_Died_Once: think he's preferring to the project itself, not to your server |
| 19:19.33 | blast007 | referring* |
| 19:19.42 | I_Died_Once | oh, then let me re-phrase that then |
| 19:19.43 | JeffM | yeah, what you do with your money is your deal |
| 19:19.49 | I_Died_Once | we paid the planet mofo server bill |
| 19:19.50 | JeffM | I'd get the Jag too not the bently |
| 19:19.57 | JeffM | I would hope so |
| 19:20.03 | JeffM | or they would shut it off ;) |
| 19:20.10 | I_Died_Once | they did! |
| 19:20.14 | I_Died_Once | why we got a new host |
| 19:20.19 | JeffM | how much you payin? |
| 19:20.24 | I_Died_Once | millions! |
| 19:20.36 | I_Died_Once | in love & respect.... |
| 19:20.37 | JeffM | then you be gettin ripped off ;) |
| 19:20.51 | JeffM | but honestly what were you paying? |
| 19:21.01 | JeffM | I am always curious about hosting costs |
| 19:21.10 | I_Died_Once | i'm not sure |
| 19:21.14 | JeffM | I know you got a good deal now and that's cool |
| 19:21.15 | blast007 | probably around $70 - they were on a plan similar to mine |
| 19:21.43 | JeffM | needs to find a new VPS |
| 19:22.02 | I_Died_Once | we hijacked the list server last night and had everyone and their brother on Apocalypse in Action - the server and host held up without a lick of problem |
| 19:22.02 | Quol | I have been very happy with my linodes - although disk/bandwidth is tight |
| 19:22.36 | I_Died_Once | five shots and a cut throat game |
| 19:22.53 | JeffM | I_Died_Once, the max player count didn't go up |
| 19:22.59 | JeffM | so it could not have been that big |
| 19:23.12 | JeffM | it was the monday's normal sub 80 count |
| 19:23.14 | I_Died_Once | it was the biggest game on the list |
| 19:23.17 | I_Died_Once | i know thats ot saying much |
| 19:23.24 | JeffM | nope |
| 19:23.35 | JeffM | 69.60.118.178:5155 was for the last 24 hours |
| 19:23.41 | JeffM | I track that kinda stuff ;) |
| 19:23.44 | Quol | with linodes, CPU's are great, network is great, disk is great (never really had a bottle neck anywhere), and support is great - which is what keeps me there |
| 19:23.51 | JeffM | they maxed at 28 players |
| 19:24.13 | I_Died_Once | what about 66.255.156.60:4202 ? |
| 19:24.30 | JeffM | they don't show on my highs and lows page |
| 19:24.33 | JeffM | http://www.awesomelaser.com/bz/stats/ |
| 19:25.19 | JeffM | once quol finishes the better version of the site we'll be able to query specific servers |
| 19:25.40 | I_Died_Once | thats nice |
| 19:25.46 | I_Died_Once | i like 'dat |
| 19:25.49 | JeffM | how many actual palyers did you have? |
| 19:25.51 | blast007 | worst player had 734 points? heh |
| 19:25.55 | JeffM | not counting observers |
| 19:26.02 | I_Died_Once | i dunno, a bunch |
| 19:26.11 | I_Died_Once | had to clear the scoreboard off my screen so i could see |
| 19:26.15 | Quol | hehe - working in it! just tough when the past 2 weeks I have had 6 nightly converence call's with singapore - so I am working northamerica hours and asia hours :( |
| 19:26.19 | Quol | but working on it :) |
| 19:26.29 | blast007 | hehe |
| 19:26.37 | JeffM | quol you may want to talk to strayer as well, I told him what you were doing and he had some questions |
| 19:26.49 | JeffM | you may be able to convince him to pitch in :) |
| 19:27.28 | Quol | kk |
| 19:30.16 | JeffM | and honeslty I think you should be asking around there to see if any webmonkeys want to help :) |
| 19:30.23 | JeffM | lets see if we can do a group project |
| 19:36.48 | Quol | sure - ohh - wanted to ask: you guys have access to php 5.3 on your servers? |
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| 19:47.26 | blast007 | let me check what version it is |
| 19:47.58 | blast007 | 5.3.2-1ubuntu4.11 |
| 19:48.36 | JeffM | how do I check? |
| 19:48.56 | JeffM | and blast007 if this gets finished, is it something you'd want to run on your server? or should I just keep it on mine? |
| 19:49.05 | JeffM | it would require mono |
| 19:49.52 | blast007 | guess it depends how much memory it uses |
| 19:49.57 | blast007 | if you're referring to the VPS |
| 19:57.36 | Quol | I am running the Jeff's mono collector on a 512MB RAM linode that is also running mysql AND postgresql (i know..) - without too much problem..seems pretty stable |
| 19:58.56 | blast007 | our VPS run phpBB and the list (and the image site, but that's a minimal amount of resource use) |
| 19:59.17 | Quol | phpBB is fairly heavy though... |
| 19:59.20 | blast007 | 206MB of RAM used on the VPS right now |
| 19:59.26 | blast007 | excluding buffers/cache |
| 19:59.38 | Quol | ya..I bet |
| 20:00.05 | blast007 | I have APC running on there as well, so that keeps some memory busy |
| 20:00.12 | TD-Linux | run the minecraft server |
| 20:00.17 | TD-Linux | watch everything die |
| 20:00.23 | Quol | also - if you need another server for anything...I do have servers...so feel free to ask away. |
| 20:00.33 | blast007 | TD-Linux: to kill it I just need to run mediawiki on top of all this :P |
| 20:00.52 | TD-Linux | heh mediawiki isn't bad |
| 20:00.52 | blast007 | Quol: for the moment I think we're good |
| 20:01.00 | blast007 | TD-Linux: yes, yes it is ... |
| 20:01.05 | Quol | alright - fee free anything though |
| 20:01.21 | TD-Linux | OTOH I've only ever ran a LAN install of it |
| 20:01.27 | blast007 | Quol: I've got a dedicated server as well that I'm running the wiki from |
| 20:01.38 | TD-Linux | I have a feeling that < 100 users on a gigabit network is a bit different |
| 20:01.38 | blast007 | TD-Linux: well, try having the wiki get indexed by search engines ;) |
| 20:01.54 | blast007 | on a 512MB VPS |
| 20:01.54 | Quol | I just lost one of my dedicated servers at peer1 :( I miss that one |
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| 20:39.38 | JeffM | I don't think my app uses much ram |
| 20:39.44 | JeffM | it uses a few threads |
| 20:40.03 | JeffM | and the list data, then shoves that into SQL |
| 20:40.24 | JeffM | I can host it tho, I just didn't know if you cared |
| 20:41.23 | JeffM | it has been a good test of general mono stability |
| 20:41.28 | JeffM | using sockets and sql |
| 20:45.55 | Quol | JeffM, internally we ported a couple of projects to mono (asp.net), and generally, we were impressed with it...although the first ones ported were hard, and required significant code changes because of mising mono parts - but generally - it works well |
| 20:46.10 | JeffM | cool |
| 20:46.21 | JeffM | the runtimes on nix seem pretty small |
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| 20:47.21 | Quol | ya - it isn't too bad..although I worry about it's future now that novell has dumped it... |
| 20:47.23 | JeffM | I'm keeping a list of all the "C# sucks" things people bring up so I can eventualy make a FAQ :) |
| 20:47.35 | Quol | lol |
| 20:47.38 | JeffM | they seem to be doing fine |
| 20:47.53 | JeffM | I won't care if they never get WPF or XNA ported |
| 20:48.01 | Quol | well - you won't here any from me...especially c# 4....net 4 brought some real nice stuff |
| 20:48.14 | JeffM | well .net 4 won't be used |
| 20:48.23 | JeffM | that is the least suported |
| 20:48.44 | Quol | yup - work pretty well with asp.net MVC 3 though - most works very well |
| 20:48.54 | Quol | and they use many of the new .net 4 features |
| 20:49.16 | Quol | including razor - that works with the latest mono branches |
| 20:49.21 | JeffM | cool |
| 20:49.51 | JeffM | the next thing to test would be making distrobution shells for nix, OSX, and windows and see how they deploy as a test |
| 20:50.12 | JeffM | on OSX one should be able to package the mono runtimes in as a framework into the .app |
| 20:50.29 | JeffM | so it's still just a double click to run |
| 20:50.41 | Quol | you thinking about re-writing bz in mono? :) |
| 20:50.47 | JeffM | no a new project |
| 20:50.50 | JeffM | to replace BZ |
| 20:50.54 | Quol | cool |
| 20:51.02 | JeffM | but yes in C# in order to have a single deliverable to all OSs |
| 20:51.09 | JeffM | and have the game update it'self |
| 20:51.24 | Quol | ya - would be nice |
| 20:51.27 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:51.34 | JeffM | then we don't need "releases" |
| 20:51.42 | JeffM | we just push out features as they are done |
| 20:51.45 | Quol | wonders why microsoft never got on board fully and endorese/push mono |
| 20:51.47 | JeffM | and update the live system |
| 20:51.55 | JeffM | they have done a bit for it |
| 20:51.58 | Quol | it's only to their benefit |
| 20:52.16 | JeffM | they have given them assurances they won't be sued |
| 20:52.24 | Quol | ya - true - novell did thank the .net product group - but, they should have done more |
| 20:52.27 | JeffM | and they keep open sourcing parts of .net for them |
| 20:52.33 | JeffM | I'm sure they are busy |
| 20:52.37 | JeffM | commiting changes to linux ;) |
| 20:52.40 | Quol | ll |
| 20:52.41 | Quol | lol |
| 20:52.45 | JeffM | it's true |
| 20:52.54 | JeffM | last year they were one of the top corporate contributors |
| 20:52.58 | Quol | I know - but that's for their hyper-v drivers |
| 20:53.04 | JeffM | yep |
| 20:53.14 | JeffM | but still, it's work on linux |
| 20:53.18 | JeffM | to make it run in more places |
| 20:53.36 | JeffM | they seem much more open then oracle |
| 20:53.43 | JeffM | and the JRE |
| 20:54.03 | Quol | true..but the same thinking should apply to mono...I think it's to their benefir to have a more praciticle approach |
| 20:54.09 | JeffM | sure |
| 20:54.22 | JeffM | lots of things would be nicer if more people helped out :) |
| 20:54.44 | JeffM | but yes, I'd like to build a project that used C# to make a modern game inspired by bzflag |
| 20:54.53 | Quol | yup - and I always try do to my part... :) |
| 20:54.55 | Quol | sounds good |
| 20:55.06 | JeffM | I've done some design work but it needs more |
| 20:55.20 | JeffM | and review |
| 20:59.23 | Quol | do you know - that one of our last talks bot me thinking how much time I have spend with bz (playing and involved in the community), and that's when I realised that I started playing this game in 1997 - with 1.7*... |
| 20:59.31 | Quol | bot = got |
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| 21:18.38 | JeffM | yeah it's been a while |
| 21:19.01 | JeffM | I have the source code for versions before it went open source somewhere |
| 21:19.03 | JeffM | 1.6 |
| 21:23.36 | Quol | I haven't seen learner/brldac around these days...he still pop-in from time to time? |
| 21:23.45 | JeffM | sometimes |
| 21:23.52 | JeffM | but yes, he is active here less then in the past |
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| 22:10.05 | KTL | those "extents" in drawinfo are really good! |
| 22:26.01 | KTL | http://users.telenet.be/dpf/bzflag/bzfi0231_.png |
| 22:29.30 | JeffM | pretty |
| 22:30.44 | KTL | barely downloadable, 900+ pics |
| 22:31.02 | KTL | got to reconnect about 10 times to get all images in |
| 22:31.32 | JeffM | yeah that's not really what bflag is for :) |
| 22:33.56 | JeffM | perhaps one there will be a resource manager that can do all that |
| 22:35.46 | JeffM | one day even |
| 22:37.11 | KTL | http://users.telenet.be/dpf/bzflag/bzfi0232_.png |
| 22:38.05 | JeffM | looks like it will eventualy resolve into the MCP |
| 22:39.00 | KTL | (mcp?) |
| 22:40.05 | JeffM | really? |
| 22:40.08 | JeffM | never seen tron? |
| 22:41.04 | KTL | from all sides but mmm ... are those dead-games called mcp? |
| 22:41.19 | JeffM | it was a movie |
| 22:41.23 | JeffM | the bad guy was the MCP |
| 22:41.34 | JeffM | he swirled until he formed a cylinder like thing |
| 22:41.35 | KTL | ah the master control program |
| 22:41.45 | JeffM | there ya go |
| 22:45.35 | mahem1 | how did you make all those pictures? |
| 22:53.51 | JeffM | he used SCIENCE! |
| 22:54.41 | mahem1 | I see |
| 22:55.30 | JeffM | and probably some math |
| 22:57.17 | mahem1 | probably? I hope that pattern isn't random... |
| 22:57.40 | JeffM | he could have used someone else's math |
| 22:59.13 | JeffM | but I belive it's all from his player ranking software he has been working on |
| 22:59.36 | JeffM | taking that data and having it display in a map that is updated on some regular schedule |
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| 23:10.38 | Erroneous | that's a pretty cool idea. really needs text objects though. |
| 23:12.31 | KTL | mahem1, with ... imagemagick, the "mvg" format, and some c++ and a database |
| 23:13.39 | KTL | yes that is why i wanted text-objects :) |
| 23:13.44 | KTL | gone |
| 23:14.29 | JeffM | we all wanted things that got passed by :) |
| 23:18.03 | Delusional | we had scorekeeping billboards all completely made, ready to go.... mo text object, oh well |
| 23:32.30 | JeffM | well nobody wanted to work oin 2.99 |
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