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05:35.55CIA-104BZFlag: 03l4m3rthanyou * r22382 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/autoFlagReset/autoFlagReset.cpp: Initialize nextRunTime properly for in-game loading.
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17:02.47mahem1is WSDK required to compile a plugin?
17:02.59mahem1SDK*
17:03.32blast007what SDK?
17:05.14mahem1Service Development Kit?
17:05.17mahem1I am not sure....
17:06.06mahem1I looking now
17:06.20blast007software development kit
17:06.27blast007I mean, what SDK are you wondering about?
17:06.36blast007cuz, like, there's millions of them  :P
17:07.00blast007two of them that are useful for building BZFlag on Windows (the Platform SDK and the DirectX SDK)
17:07.37blast007a version of the platform SDK should be included with Visual C++ 2008, and the DirectX SDK is only necessary if you're building the client
17:09.18mahem1It seems to be the platform one
17:09.30mahem1I got the link from JeffM's forums post
17:09.31blast007are you having a problem building?
17:10.03mahem1installing the SDK
17:10.16blast007no....
17:10.20blast007I said BUILDING
17:10.29blast007did you try building without the SDK?
17:10.34mahem1no
17:10.37blast007DO that
17:10.39mahem1That is why i am asking
17:10.43mahem1ok
17:10.55blast007I already said you shouldn't need to install anything
17:11.01blast007besides Visual C++ 2008
17:11.06mahem1ok
17:11.13blast007pretty sure the express edition includes the PSDK
17:11.58mahem1ok
17:15.23mahem1hmmm, the readme for windows say you need to have libcurl installed
17:20.26mahem1is that nessecary?
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17:28.45BulletCatcherBZFlag 2.4 has curl bundled with it, so you shouldn't have to install a separate instance of it.
17:30.25BulletCatcherThe README.WINDOWS file in 2.4 does not mention curl at all.
17:31.39blast007mahem1: what are you reading?
17:35.08mahem1the readme from teh source
17:35.13mahem1the window version
17:35.34mahem1README.WIN32
17:37.18blast007no such file exists
17:37.28blast007so again, what are you reading? :P
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17:38.32mahem1if ity is not that then i do not know
17:38.55blast007there is not a README.WIN32 file included with the 2.4 source
17:39.00blast007it is README.WINDOWS
17:39.11JeffMcus we do 64 bit now too :)
17:39.12mahem1oh i see[
17:39.12blast007and it does not mention curl anywhere in the file
17:39.26JeffMyou don't need curl in windows, It'll be built for your
17:39.26blast007so I don't know where the heck you are seeing curl mentioned
17:39.27JeffMwith ares
17:39.40blast007yeah, he claims it says he needs it in the documentation
17:39.41JeffMwhat problem is he having?
17:39.44JeffMnope
17:39.45mahem1so i gues I need the 2.4 sourcfe then
17:39.51blast007??
17:39.55JeffMwindows needs a single dependency
17:39.57JeffMdirect X
17:40.04blast007you don't have the 2.4 source, mahem1?
17:40.57JeffMwhat did you download that you are trying to build? and what compiler?
17:41.31BulletCatcherBZFlag 2.0.16 has README.WIN32, so he is working with the wrong source distribution.
17:41.37JeffMahh
17:41.43JeffMyeah that needs a BUNCH of stuff
17:41.48JeffMand it has super bad docs
17:41.50mahem1i had the '16 source with visual c++
17:41.59JeffMwhat version of visual C++?
17:42.08blast007mahem1: and you were trying to build 2.0.16... why?
17:44.38JeffMperhaps for the lulz
17:45.05JeffMsadly we disable lulz based building with the last update to that codebase
17:45.32mahem1jst for fun
17:45.34mahem1just*
17:45.39JeffMit's not easy to build
17:46.04JeffMI didn't do the work to make it easy untill 3.0
17:46.08JeffMthen backported that to 2.4
17:46.26JeffMto build 2.0.x first I build a 2.4 version then grab the curl that it needs
17:46.53mahem1ok
17:47.09mahem1so i might as well just build 2.4?
17:47.10JeffMbut no, we will NOT modify the documentation for an old version
17:47.11JeffMyes
17:47.19JeffMthat is the current version of the software
17:47.24JeffMwhat version of visual C++ do you have?
17:47.57mahem1aan old one
17:48.05blast007which.
17:48.06JeffMwhat you don't deal in numbers?
17:48.08mahem1i think
17:48.09mahem12005
17:48.10JeffMit's kinda important
17:48.14JeffMthat will not work
17:48.17JeffMyou need 2008
17:48.19JeffMthis is why I ask
17:48.46JeffMis there any reason you wanted to build it instead of running the ones we provide?
17:49.13blast007I think he just likes to waste our time
17:49.20blast007this is from the 20th:
17:49.20JeffMprobably
17:49.21blast00708:22:56 <+blast007> you'll need Visual C++ 2008
17:49.22blast00708:23:21 < mahem1> ok
17:49.31JeffMchildren often don't remember things
17:50.03blast007well, he didn't say anything otherwise when *today* I said that "visual C++ 2008 includes the platform SDK"
17:50.23mahem1i see
17:50.33blast007and he didn't say he was trying to build a useless version of the game
17:51.43blast007heck, I mentioned visual C++ 2008 twice today ;)
17:52.02JeffMwhat exactly are you trying to do mahem1? we are trying to help you but it is hard with no information
17:52.17blast007two days ago he was asking how to build plugins on windows
17:52.29JeffMwho runs a server on windows?
17:53.10blast007probably people that confuse 2005 with 2008 and 2.0.16 with 2.4.0
17:53.30mahem1probably
17:53.53JeffMyou arn't very helpful are you mahem1
17:54.58mahem1not at the moment
17:55.03mahem1sorry
17:55.29JeffMdo you not have time to talk? or do you just enjoy giving people crappy answers?
17:55.59mahem1yeah, at tthe moment i do not have much time
17:56.33JeffMthen why bother even coming on
17:56.44JeffMwhy don't you come back when you can have a serious conversation
17:57.15JeffMthen you can explain what you are trying to do and we can try to help you
17:59.52JeffMwhat's left for 2.4.2?
18:03.05blast007I don't have anything personally
18:03.20JeffMI remember BulletCatcher said he had a few things with build system IIRC
18:03.21blast007not sure about BulletCatcher, or if L4m3r has anything else he wants to change on that plugin
18:03.38JeffMis packageness ready?
18:03.51blast007not quite
18:04.16JeffMare the changes for it just to the debian repo or do they need changes to ours?
18:04.28blast007won't need changes to ours
18:04.36JeffMyou 100% on that?
18:04.38blast007and if we do, patches can be added to the debian repo
18:04.57JeffMwould it be better to have em in our repo?
18:05.07blast007probably
18:05.40JeffMthen we should probalby get that part done before 2.4.2
18:05.40blast007I'll see if I have any energy this weekend (getting over the flu right now, feeling pretty drained)
18:05.59JeffMI'm sorry
18:06.13JeffMhave you asked the games team for any help?
18:06.19blast007no
18:06.33JeffMwould they be of any help?
18:06.40blast007certainly
18:06.47blast007I think we're very close
18:06.51blast007the package itself works
18:07.00JeffMthen you should aks them to look it over
18:07.05JeffMdelegate :)
18:07.24blast007just a few things that need checking on, and some of the warnings are probalby just because I'm not a debian maintainer
18:07.36JeffMwell thats what they would know
18:07.45blast007last time I worked on it, I was looking into why the init script wasn't working
18:07.51JeffMsince we don't have our own debian maintainer
19:02.00BulletCatcherThe fairCTF plugin is still very buggy.  I haven't had time to investigate further.
19:02.22BulletCatcherWe shouldn't ship it this way.
19:23.27blast007BulletCatcher: is that the only thing, though?
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19:49.26JeffMwe can put it in a branch for 2.4.2 if we need to
21:49.00mdskpr__blast007 : global seems dead
22:00.08I_Died_Oncethe list server is be not up
22:07.01CIA-104BZFlag: 03Muhkuh 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r0 10/User:Muhkuh:
22:07.55CIA-104BZFlag: 03Muhkuh 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r8235 10/BZFlag_Forums: /* Rules */
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22:19.36blast007seems fine now, anyway
22:53.41JeffMwow 101 players on at a time...
22:54.59JeffMblast007, have you seen quol's site recenlty?
23:23.02blast007no
23:23.28JeffMit's pretty cool, was curious if it was something you thought should be hosted on an official server
23:23.43JeffMif bzflag dosnt' die it can be converted to work from pushstats
23:24.31I_Died_Oncelist server seems to be crapping out
23:25.02JeffMworks for me
23:25.21JeffMit ain't fast but it hasn't gone down
23:26.52blast007it's packet loss
23:27.03blast007server load is only 0.22
23:27.04JeffMsomeone stuck a sock in the intertubes
23:30.41I_Died_Oncei cant authenticate no matter what server i go to
23:30.47blast007around 36% loss, so nothing major
23:30.49blast007;)
23:32.24blast007well, guess it's game over
23:33.45JeffMthe day bzflag dies
23:33.58JeffMmaybe now someone will read my design documents
23:39.12blast007and now the latency has shot up :)
23:39.39blast007fires off a ticket
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23:52.40blast007seems like the packet loss is gone now
23:52.48blast007not sure if that's a result of my ticket or not :P

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