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| 03:36.03 | khonkhortisan | Does bzflag support animated textures like using a gif for laser? |
| 03:37.18 | JeffM | nope |
| 03:37.21 | JeffM | we can only read PNG |
| 03:39.52 | khonkhortisan | 'cause it'd be fun to have rings fly across the laser line |
| 03:40.15 | JeffM | there are many ways that could be done |
| 03:40.27 | JeffM | we don't even use a texture for the laser in experimental |
| 03:41.28 | khonkhortisan | I try to avoid experimental because my computer may overheat and reboot - bad power fan |
| 03:41.38 | JeffM | really? |
| 03:41.41 | JeffM | cus it ain't that beefy |
| 03:41.47 | JeffM | set a frame limit of like 60 |
| 03:41.51 | JeffM | and it should run fine |
| 03:41.56 | JeffM | what video card do you have? |
| 03:43.08 | khonkhortisan | um I forgot... |
| 03:43.18 | JeffM | is it newer then 3 years old? |
| 03:43.46 | khonkhortisan | it's an nvidia card with a legacy driver |
| 03:43.59 | JeffM | even then exp should not kill it |
| 03:44.05 | JeffM | how many FPS do you get now? |
| 03:47.13 | khonkhortisan | 500 with nothing happening, low detail |
| 03:47.52 | JeffM | oh god |
| 03:48.03 | JeffM | yeah set the FPS limit to like 100 and crank that sucker |
| 03:48.12 | JeffM | it's going to always try to draw as fast a possible |
| 03:48.17 | JeffM | if heat is an issue, imit it |
| 03:48.19 | khonkhortisan | it's the power supply that's bad |
| 03:48.38 | JeffM | yeah and it's probalby the GPU that is pulling extra power |
| 03:48.41 | khonkhortisan | geforce gt 220 |
| 03:48.43 | JeffM | and making heat |
| 03:49.00 | JeffM | turn on "energy saver" and that will limit the frame rate |
| 03:49.04 | JeffM | and that will lower heat |
| 03:49.12 | JeffM | then you can turn up the quality |
| 03:49.18 | khonkhortisan | okay |
| 03:49.28 | JeffM | most people can't see over 60 fps |
| 03:49.33 | JeffM | and most displays can't update that fast |
| 03:49.42 | JeffM | the fancy 3d ones can do 120 fps |
| 03:49.57 | khonkhortisan | if they're not interlaced :) |
| 03:50.20 | JeffM | I have never seen an interlaced display that wasn't a CRT |
| 03:50.29 | JeffM | are you on a CRT? |
| 03:50.34 | JeffM | or an LCD? |
| 03:50.59 | khonkhortisan | LCD but my dad tried overloading the resolution of a crt and it turned all blue |
| 03:51.41 | JeffM | sure cus in a CRT there is an actual ray, and magnets that move that ray back andforth |
| 03:51.47 | JeffM | so there is somethign to actualy break when you do that |
| 03:52.08 | JeffM | LCDs have 3 or more physical lights per pixel |
| 03:52.13 | JeffM | so they don't need to be interlaced |
| 03:52.31 | JeffM | in fact interlaced signals over VGA to an LCD make it slower since it has to recombine |
| 03:52.39 | JeffM | you are using a DVI cable? |
| 03:53.54 | khonkhortisan | no not right now |
| 03:54.07 | JeffM | I would recomend using one if you can |
| 03:54.17 | JeffM | then it's an all digital signal, much more bandwith to the display |
| 03:55.08 | JeffM | but really a GF 220 is overkill for bzflag |
| 03:55.21 | JeffM | it shoudl not run anywhere near peak in experimental |
| 03:55.32 | JeffM | heck a gamecube can probably even run expireiemntal |
| 03:55.44 | khonkhortisan | On an unrelated note, how big can I make "linedradarshots" before it gets ridiculous? |
| 03:55.59 | JeffM | it's up to you |
| 03:56.12 | khonkhortisan | how did I know you'd say something like that |
| 03:56.17 | JeffM | I belive we just draw whatever you put in |
| 03:56.42 | JeffM | I don't know if it's a pixel value or not |
| 03:56.58 | JeffM | but it probably depends on how much room you have in the radar area |
| 03:58.01 | khonkhortisan | I also have to keep the side cover away from the computer |
| 03:58.25 | JeffM | take a house fan and put it over the open side pannel :) |
| 03:58.33 | JeffM | or spend 60$ and get a new PS |
| 03:58.54 | khonkhortisan | I have thought about putting a fan near it, I think I'll actually do that now |
| 03:59.36 | JeffM | what CPU is in it? |
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| 04:01.25 | khonkhortisan | two AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 240 Processor |
| 04:01.49 | JeffM | and how big is the power supply? |
| 04:01.52 | JeffM | 600w? |
| 04:03.41 | khonkhortisan | 350w |
| 04:03.50 | JeffM | oh |
| 04:04.01 | JeffM | yeah, you can get a new one for way cheap |
| 04:04.37 | JeffM | a rosewil 450 is like 35$ |
| 04:04.44 | khonkhortisan | I'm very slowly already working on that |
| 04:07.05 | JeffM | just know that if the PS blows it can take the rest of the system with it, if it spikes |
| 04:07.27 | JeffM | and I would recomend getting a 500w, specialy if you have a GF220 |
| 04:07.45 | JeffM | it's probably what is pulling more current then your PS can put out |
| 04:07.53 | JeffM | they recomend at least a 450 for those IIRC |
| 04:09.40 | khonkhortisan | so it's my fault for putting that card in there |
| 04:09.55 | JeffM | posssibly |
| 04:10.00 | JeffM | that could have stressed the PS |
| 04:10.24 | JeffM | \ |
| 04:11.42 | JeffM | specialy if you have 2 CPUs |
| 04:11.46 | JeffM | those draw double the power |
| 04:11.55 | JeffM | the 220 has a bare min of 350w PS |
| 04:12.01 | JeffM | but that's assuming a single CPU |
| 05:07.52 | blast007 | the PSU wattage recommendations on GPUs is just an approximation as well - it's more important to know that you're able to supply enough amps to the video card |
| 05:08.29 | blast007 | PSUs divide up the power they can supply to the various rails and voltages |
| 05:10.45 | blast007 | you can get a 500W Corsair for $60, and it can put out 34A on the +12V rail |
| 05:12.01 | JeffM | yeah that would hold you fine for a good long while |
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| 06:51.49 | khonkhortisan | well it didn't reboot yet on power saving mode |
| 06:53.04 | JeffM | yeah it'll pull less power |
| 06:55.03 | JeffM | heh, my test app goes from 40 fps in debug using raw drawing, to 120 fps using lists, then 2000fps using VBOs :) |
| 06:57.18 | khonkhortisan | heh, I don't know what that means |
| 06:58.13 | JeffM | when I just draw using openGL calls for each triangle, I get 40 frames per second |
| 06:58.28 | JeffM | when I take those calls and store them in a saved display list on the video card, it goes up to 120 frames per second |
| 06:59.02 | JeffM | when I stop calling a funciton for each triangle and send a buffer of triangle data to the card in a buffer it goes up to 2000fps |
| 07:01.39 | khonkhortisan | if only it could figure that out by itself |
| 07:02.36 | JeffM | GL isn't that bad |
| 07:02.40 | JeffM | all the info's online |
| 07:02.45 | JeffM | just read up on 3d graphics |
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| 21:29.01 | JeffM | wow... so very helpful |
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| 21:59.44 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r22407 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Remove dead code left over from r21843. |
| 22:09.26 | BulletCatcher | A few lines down from that change are the only remaining references to MsgKrbPrincipal and MsgKrbTicket, and those messages are ignored. |
| 22:09.33 | BulletCatcher | Is there any reason to keep them defined? |
| 22:09.34 | BulletCatcher | Since we don't actually use them, removing them entirely will not actually change the protocol. |
| 22:32.35 | JeffM | oh god no |
| 22:32.39 | JeffM | please remover kerbos |
| 22:32.49 | JeffM | please please please |
| 22:32.51 | JeffM | remove |
| 22:32.52 | JeffM | even |
| 22:33.43 | a_meteorite | I take it you really REALLY dislike kerberos :) |
| 22:34.03 | JeffM | it's the authentication system windows uses |
| 22:34.23 | JeffM | it's overkill for what bz needs and was a bad idea that was thankfuly left unfinsihed |
| 22:34.34 | JeffM | it shoudl have been in a branch but it was done in the mainline for some reason. |
| 22:35.55 | a_meteorite | didn't really associate kerberos with windows... but I only knew about the open source kerberos suite |
| 22:36.06 | a_meteorite | indeed overkill |
| 22:36.19 | JeffM | there is an open source version so that samba can work |
| 22:36.44 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 22:46.25 | BulletCatcher | Kerberos does meet our authentication requirements, but it is certainly overkill in terms of the level of security required. |
| 22:46.45 | JeffM | oh yeah it would totaly work |
| 22:47.07 | JeffM | I don't think it buys us anything |
| 22:47.13 | JeffM | and is kinda a pain to implement |
| 22:47.57 | BulletCatcher | Its built-in failover to multiple auth servers would be nice. |
| 22:49.25 | JeffM | yeah, that's what the ldap system was suposed to do too |
| 22:49.31 | JeffM | and that is more complete |
| 22:50.01 | JeffM | our token auth isn't bad, it would be trivial to hook a simple failover to that |
| 22:50.04 | JeffM | and redo our backend |
| 22:50.25 | JeffM | to me that'd be a first step before replacing the entire thing |
| 22:55.57 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r22408 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/Protocol.h src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx): Remove MsgKrbPrincipal and MsgKrbTicket, the last vestiges of coded Kerberos support. |
| 22:57.20 | BulletCatcher | There are still KRB5 references in some .vcproj files, if you want to expunge those too. |
| 22:57.36 | JeffM | as build targets? |
| 22:57.42 | JeffM | those are a pain |
| 22:57.59 | JeffM | but yeah, in a sec |
| 22:58.13 | JeffM | just finishing up getting drawing working in my editor. |
| 22:58.46 | BulletCatcher | Most of them are under MSVC/build. |
| 22:59.07 | BulletCatcher | Also: tools/TextTool-W32/TextTool.sln & tools/modeltool/vc9/modeltool.sln . |
| 23:03.33 | JeffM | I'm seaching the entire dir |
| 23:03.40 | JeffM | you can't remove them in VC, they are friggin viral |
| 23:03.46 | JeffM | so I'll pull em by hand |
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| 23:10.14 | JeffM | bleh.. 135 instances |
| 23:10.17 | JeffM | this may take all day |
| 23:11.04 | BulletCatcher | There's no rush. |
| 23:11.20 | JeffM | it dosn't affect the build at all, there is no SLN target for it |
| 23:11.42 | JeffM | tho it's not the only issue, there is still stuff for the modern and pdcurses builds |
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| 23:16.18 | JeffM | hmm bet there would be a way to automate it |
| 23:16.22 | JeffM | some super fancy grep |
| 23:17.17 | JeffM | or an XML aware tool |
| 23:18.07 | JeffM | cus it's just removing every FileConfiguration object with a name of KRB5 Debug|Win32, release_modern|Win32, release_modern_p3|Win32, or Release_pdcurses|Win32 |
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