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| 00:13.36 | CIA-104 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * r142 10/trunk/unit0/client/Game/ClientGame.cs: cache scripts |
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| 16:56.06 | JeffM | hopes that was a nice way of saying "you are an idiot" |
| 16:56.36 | JeffM | blast007, what function does lastman standing use? does it send another msgEnter? |
| 16:56.57 | blast007 | dunno, but that's my assumption |
| 16:57.11 | JeffM | do you know if the source for it is available |
| 16:57.26 | JeffM | cus if call clients accept that and there are no issues, I don't mind adding an API for it |
| 16:57.29 | blast007 | I remember source being available for some type of plugin |
| 16:57.36 | blast007 | it was hackish at best though |
| 16:57.41 | blast007 | cuz it shows the player rejoin, iirc |
| 16:57.43 | JeffM | I'm sure it was |
| 16:57.51 | JeffM | oh, they probalby kick them |
| 16:57.58 | JeffM | then autoteam them back to observer |
| 16:58.00 | JeffM | I've seen that before |
| 16:58.03 | blast007 | no, I think you send a part and then a join |
| 16:58.12 | JeffM | hmmm |
| 16:58.20 | blast007 | something like that, anyway |
| 16:58.31 | JeffM | the part may just be to get the other clients to see the change |
| 16:58.33 | blast007 | I think the zombie plugin might have used that too |
| 16:58.35 | JeffM | I wonder what happens on the local |
| 16:59.02 | JeffM | the rabbit mechanism does some kind of team change dosn't it? |
| 16:59.10 | blast007 | that has it's own message |
| 16:59.15 | JeffM | ahh |
| 16:59.21 | blast007 | 2.99.x had proper team changing |
| 16:59.34 | JeffM | yeah I know, I just don't remember what was involved in that |
| 16:59.39 | JeffM | and how much got put down into 2.4 |
| 16:59.40 | blast007 | though it wasn't tested much, so I'm not sure if it was perfect |
| 17:01.14 | JeffM | probably wasn't |
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| 17:38.59 | JeffM | yeah you have to remove a player before you can readd them in the current code or the remote clients won't pick up the team change |
| 17:39.44 | JeffM | you can send another MsgAddPlayer to the changed player and it looks like he'll pick it up, but the other players will error out on the update |
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| 19:09.26 | JeffM | does not know why he expected anything else from him... oh well |
| 19:14.55 | CIA-104 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * r143 10/trunk/unit0/client/ (9 files in 4 dirs): |
| 19:14.56 | CIA-104 | opencombat: have the client finish caching scripts and then load them when done. |
| 19:14.56 | CIA-104 | opencombat: package up the chat system to make it available to the hud GUI. |
| 19:14.56 | CIA-104 | opencombat: Give the view and hud access to the game class. |
| 19:14.56 | CIA-104 | opencombat: Add event for the loading of game info so view can get textures and models ready. |
| 19:14.56 | CIA-104 | opencombat: have the hud system keep a thread safe list of drawable chat lines and users that are set by chat system events. |
| 19:25.30 | CIA-104 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * r144 10/trunk/unit0/components/Textures/Textures.cs: more drawing utilities to fit a texture into a boundingbox. |
| 19:39.32 | JeffM | ok, one cool thing about VS2010, you can have more then one startup project and start both width debuging from the same IDE. so I can start client and server from the same project :) |
| 19:40.50 | blast007 | oooo |
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| 20:04.12 | JeffM | blast007, how do you think about this for an aproval system on game scripts. User submits first script set, it gets reviewed, if accepted it's put into a dvcs folder that the user has push access to. then they can update it as needed, we get notifications of updates and can review just the changes and choose to deploy to live servers if accepted? |
| 20:06.47 | CIA-104 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * r145 10/trunk/unit0/ (GameInstance/ServerScripting.cs client/ClientScripting.cs): Verify script functions exist before calling them. |
| 20:07.43 | CIA-104 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * r146 10/trunk/unit0/GameInstance/ResourceProcessor.cs: compress resources properly. |
| 20:08.24 | CIA-104 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * r147 10/trunk/unit0/GameInstance/GameMessageProcessor.cs: send model and avatar list to client on connect. |
| 20:09.06 | CIA-104 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * r148 10/trunk/unit0/game/Utilities.cs: use correct buffer length when doing MD5 on a dir. |
| 20:09.48 | CIA-104 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * r149 10/trunk/unit0/client/Game/ClientGame.cs: |
| 20:09.49 | CIA-104 | opencombat: don't double init scripts. |
| 20:09.49 | CIA-104 | opencombat: send messages to chat console on connection status. |
| 20:10.21 | CIA-104 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * r150 10/trunk/unit0/client/View/ (View.Hud.cs View.cs): init hud and view in proper order. |
| 20:11.20 | CIA-104 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * r151 10/trunk/unit0/client/View/Hud/ (HudElements.cs HudRenderer.cs): |
| 20:11.20 | CIA-104 | opencombat: init panel drawing system so it can be alive with no panels or scripts. |
| 20:11.20 | CIA-104 | opencombat: use the ChatInfo object for drawing chat lines. |
| 20:13.55 | Quol | thinks bzr is pretty slick |
| 20:14.43 | JeffM | how does it do user managment? |
| 20:14.58 | blast007 | JeffM: sounds like a good way of doing |
| 20:15.15 | JeffM | I figured that way we'd just have to look at diffs |
| 20:15.22 | blast007 | would you propose hosting all the repos? |
| 20:15.24 | JeffM | and it's kinda what dvcs was made for |
| 20:15.30 | JeffM | possibly |
| 20:15.41 | JeffM | or using somethign like bitbucket |
| 20:15.54 | JeffM | if it has enough access controll |
| 20:16.21 | JeffM | it could be nice to accept maps in the same way |
| 20:16.21 | Quol | JeffM: pretty much anyway you want, apache HTTP auth (like SVN), SSH auth (like git etc..). although it looks like SVN still has more flexibility (separate permissions on subfolders etc..) |
| 20:16.22 | blast007 | yeah. using an existing infrastructure like that would give us easy forking (and pull request) functions |
| 20:16.44 | JeffM | there are enough systems out there that there must be one we could use |
| 20:16.46 | blast007 | bitbucket lets you have free unlimited public repos with an unlimited number of users |
| 20:16.52 | JeffM | then that would be fine |
| 20:17.00 | blast007 | only their private repos are restricted |
| 20:17.04 | JeffM | and yeah, if you wanted to fork a game type, just fork the git, mod it and submit |
| 20:17.17 | blast007 | bitbucket also supports both git and mercurial |
| 20:17.26 | JeffM | can you say what repos people can push to? |
| 20:17.38 | JeffM | and just let anyone pull |
| 20:18.03 | blast007 | I'd think so |
| 20:18.04 | Quol | in bitbucket, I believe so, You have per repo permissios, and anonyous pull |
| 20:18.16 | JeffM | then that would work |
| 20:18.21 | Quol | boy, i hate this keyboard |
| 20:18.36 | JeffM | people with approved stuff would be granted push |
| 20:18.48 | JeffM | and we set up a notification |
| 20:18.53 | JeffM | do the same thing for maps |
| 20:18.59 | JeffM | I don't know if it would work for images |
| 20:19.08 | JeffM | since a delta on an image isn't much |
| 20:19.16 | Quol | I think bitbucket has a decent API (last time I looked at it that is) |
| 20:19.28 | Quol | so you can snap into that |
| 20:19.44 | JeffM | I'm sure they all have notification hooks |
| 20:19.55 | JeffM | we'd just have to make a review nagger |
| 20:20.00 | blast007 | http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/BITBUCKET/Using+the+bitbucket+REST+APIs;jsessionid=92C9000F13D9F835596377377A7AB547 |
| 20:20.43 | blast007 | note the note there |
| 20:20.56 | blast007 | so I'm not sure if the stuff listed is actually implemented right now or not |
| 20:20.59 | Quol | the experimental note :) |
| 20:21.31 | Quol | hmm, maybe I was thinking of launchpad then.. |
| 20:21.55 | JeffM | heh... my stuff isn't implemented ether, so that's 2 of us |
| 20:21.57 | blast007 | is kinda disappointed that the WebOS browser doesn't support WebGL |
| 20:22.57 | Quol | blast - you know you can install cyanogenmod on that HP touchpad...right? :) |
| 20:23.09 | blast007 | yeah, just haven't quite yet |
| 20:23.31 | blast007 | though the default android browser lacks WebGL as well - think Firefox and some other one supports it though |
| 20:24.08 | Quol | ahh - could be |
| 20:25.53 | blast007 | http://mobilehtml5.org/ says only on Opera Mobile and Firefox |
| 20:27.37 | Quol | wonders when google will finish the chrome port for andriod |
| 20:28.14 | JeffM | after someone figures out if java is free or not |
| 20:28.26 | Quol | heh |
| 20:29.30 | blast007 | JeffM: you mean, Oracle®© Java®© |
| 20:30.01 | JeffM | if it was never free, all the other implementations of it may not be legal ;) |
| 20:30.35 | Quol | you forgot the: ™ |
| 20:31.01 | blast007 | ® > ™, no? :) |
| 20:31.19 | Quol | ooh - ya, probably |
| 20:31.44 | blast007 | ® is a registered trademark |
| 20:32.01 | JeffM | they are different ways of doing the same thing |
| 20:32.17 | JeffM | you can register a name, and a trademark |
| 20:32.30 | JeffM | a trademark is for a specific graphic design IIRC |
| 20:32.32 | JeffM | like a logo |
| 20:32.51 | JeffM | r is used for a name in any context |
| 20:32.52 | Quol | or a saying like "the best database on earth" or somethng - no? |
| 20:33.06 | JeffM | no, that's just copyright |
| 20:33.13 | JeffM | IIRC |
| 20:33.30 | JeffM | if it's stylised in a specific font, then yeah it can be part of a logo, or a logo in it's self |
| 20:33.51 | JeffM | they all deal with specific things you register with a guberment |
| 20:34.06 | JeffM | unlike copyright, thats just a right you get when you make a work |
| 20:34.16 | JeffM | registering for copyright just helps you defend it. |
| 20:34.22 | Quol | "A trademark is typically a name, word, phrase, logo, symbol, design, image, or a combination of these elements" - if you believe wikipedia that is |
| 20:34.41 | JeffM | yeah, it's a thing used in branding |
| 20:34.47 | JeffM | but a specific thing |
| 20:35.38 | JeffM | MS can trademark the term "windows" when used with operating systems, but does not have copyright on the word "windows" used in any context |
| 20:35.42 | JeffM | that was proven in a court |
| 20:35.50 | blast007 | "There is also a range of non-conventional trademarks comprising marks which do not fall into these standard categories, such as those based on color, smell, or sound." Man, Apple should have trademarked the smell of a new Macbook Pro. |
| 20:35.54 | blast007 | http://apple.slashdot.org/story/12/04/17/1338225/macbook-pro-fragrance-created ;) |
| 20:36.10 | JeffM | apple is super evil |
| 20:36.12 | Quol | goes and registers the word the® and hires a lawyer |
| 20:36.31 | JeffM | quol for what product? |
| 20:36.51 | blast007 | It's for the® product of the year. |
| 20:36.56 | Quol | lol |
| 20:36.57 | JeffM | heh |
| 20:37.01 | L4m3r | look out Jeff, Apple might sue you for infringing on their trademark letter i |
| 20:37.22 | Quol | L4m3r: well, they just rented the letter i from cisco |
| 20:40.02 | Quol | seeing that they paid cisco to use iPhone, and iOS, I just thought that meant cisco is the owner of the letter i :) |
| 20:40.57 | L4m3r | just give it time, eventually they'll use the reality distortion field and an army of lawyers to call it their own :P |
| 20:41.45 | Quol | ya - like 3G and 4G |
| 20:42.16 | Quol | it still amazes me how many people think that 3G was an apple invention for the iphone 3G... |
| 20:42.33 | L4m3r | and how people thought the iPhone 4 was 4G |
| 20:43.11 | Quol | but then again, I know people who think their mac is 128bit, because safari comes with 128-bit protection |
| 20:43.44 | L4m3r | How fitting that many of the preferred devices of "generation ME" have names that put "I" first ;) |
| 20:43.51 | JeffM | are those the people that think they can't get a virus ether? |
| 20:44.04 | Quol | JeffM: oh ya, you guessed it |
| 20:44.32 | Quol | one of them, works at an apple store as a mac "genius" too... |
| 20:45.16 | JeffM | do they keep using the word "unix" and not understanding what it really means? |
| 20:45.40 | Quol | heh, well...he didn't even know at one point that the entire base of OSX was freebsd...does that count? |
| 20:46.01 | Quol | freebsd - what's that? |
| 20:46.10 | Quol | oh - only the entire base of OSX? |
| 20:46.10 | JeffM | well ish |
| 20:46.50 | JeffM | free bsd dosn't use the mach microkernel |
| 20:47.06 | JeffM | and OSX came from nextstep and that used the microkernel from day one IIRC |
| 20:47.22 | JeffM | the unix bindings are pulled from bsd yes |
| 20:47.51 | L4m3r | OS X's kernel isn't a microkernel though |
| 20:48.20 | JeffM | it's a hybrid |
| 20:48.37 | JeffM | XNU is odd |
| 20:48.47 | JeffM | it was extended from the mach kernel |
| 20:49.14 | JeffM | from wikipedia "The basis of the XNU kernel, Mach, is a simple microkernel." |
| 20:49.23 | L4m3r | and wasn't mach designed as a drop-in replacement for unix? |
| 20:49.32 | JeffM | yes and no |
| 20:49.46 | JeffM | packaged correctly it can have all the unix bindings and "be" unix |
| 20:49.57 | JeffM | so it could be used as part of a drop in |
| 20:50.13 | JeffM | but then so can bsd, and they are rather different kernels |
| 20:50.25 | JeffM | there are lots of ways to service the needs of "unix" |
| 20:50.34 | L4m3r | right |
| 20:50.34 | JeffM | hell windows is based on BSD too |
| 20:50.52 | JeffM | if you look at what code was ganked to start it :) |
| 20:51.13 | Quol | well, I would say taht the NT kernal has it's roots there- yes |
| 20:51.49 | Quol | but "windows" had it's roots firmly in DOS land until the NT kernel took over |
| 20:51.53 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:53.11 | Quol | I have always thought it amusing that an apple and microsoft employee were the two top researchers for the Mach kernel |
| 20:53.30 | JeffM | next empoyiess too |
| 20:53.33 | Quol | and IIRC, the microsoft dude was the lead |
| 20:55.24 | JeffM | what company had the most commits to a recent linux kernel? |
| 20:58.56 | CIA-104 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * r152 10/trunk/unit0/GameInstance/GameMessageProcessor.cs: send the script hash to the client so it can check the entire script pack. |
| 20:59.47 | CIA-104 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * r153 10/trunk/unit0/ (client/Game/ClientGame.cs game/Utilities.cs): so in addition to compressing scripts when they are sent to the client, actually decompress them when reading. |
| 20:59.57 | CIA-104 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * r154 10/trunk/unit0/server_data/test/client/GUI.py: true != True in python. |
| 21:03.40 | JeffM | blast007, you may want to save this one, http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2frm1ucv81r3k1m8o1_500.png |
| 21:04.43 | blast007 | haha, nice, saved ;D |
| 21:05.03 | JeffM | http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m00rc2S7Id1r3k1m8o1_500.png could be used for the gaming4jc guy too |
| 21:05.14 | Cobra_Fast | ponies \o/ |
| 21:07.01 | JeffM | http://mlpimgmacros.tumblr.com/ has some nice NSFW ones |
| 21:09.24 | Cobra_Fast | awesome, thanks |
| 21:09.46 | JeffM | time to make with the foods. |
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| 22:48.39 | trepan | Quol: http://trulyergonomic.com/ - canadian keyboard company, upgrade :) |
| 22:49.15 | Quol | lol |
| 22:49.28 | Quol | weird |
| 22:50.08 | JeffM | I'd try it |
| 22:50.17 | trepan | takes some getting used to, but the mechanical switches are _really_ nice once you do |
| 22:50.22 | JeffM | I use a split keyboard now exclusivly |
| 22:51.12 | Quol | trepan - you have that one? |
| 22:51.40 | trepan | yup, only one right now; going to get a second one for home/work |
| 22:52.21 | Quol | that's another thing I think is funny...that we have all learnt how to type on a key layout whose only design goal was to make it as slow and awkword as posssible to type on so the typewriter keys wouldn't get stuck |
| 22:52.27 | Quol | and years later...here we are :) |
| 22:52.30 | trepan | I also have two unused TypeMatrix EZ2030 lying around - but I won't go back to scissor keys |
| 22:52.49 | trepan | uses a custom keyboard layout |
| 22:52.50 | trepan | :) |
| 22:52.57 | Quol | I used dvorak for a while |
| 22:53.03 | Quol | but then just gave up :) |
| 22:53.16 | Quol | as every keyboard you go to, is qwerty |
| 22:53.29 | trepan | ya, i used dvorak for 5+ years; but it wasn't good enough |
| 22:54.12 | trepan | kept getting tired, especially because of the 'L' position |
| 22:56.20 | Quol | 230$...sheesh |
| 22:57.52 | Quol | the L position doesn't change though - still your right ring finger on it though...or the straight layout makes that much difference? |
| 22:59.44 | trepan | the dvorak 'L' is in the upper right hand pinky position - not good for me |
| 23:00.25 | Quol | oooh - that's what you meant - the dvorak L...ya, thought you meant that's why you switched to this keyboard...because of the L position |
| 23:02.11 | Flash | at least CTRL is in the right place, but I don't know about shift up there |
| 23:02.43 | Flash | also weird placement for /? |
| 23:02.58 | trepan | ah, no, that's why I use my own layout ... I switched to the new keyboard because it's sweet (and I refuse to use "skewed" keyboards, that vestige irritates me greatly) |
| 23:07.47 | Flash | CTRL is my biggest issue. I want a programmer's keyboard, not a typists |
| 23:08.03 | Quol | you get the blank one then trepan? and just program things the way you want? |
| 23:13.06 | Quol | wishes mercurial an |
| 23:13.11 | Quol | oops |
| 23:13.13 | Quol | lol |
| 23:13.24 | Quol | who put the enter keey there? |
| 23:20.12 | trepan | Quol: nope bought the 109 key one with qwerty labels, for the function key labels and the such; my next one will be blank |
| 23:30.18 | Quol | mercurial confuses Quol...if hg rm -a removes files that have already been deleted, and rm -f forces files to be deleted, why does rm -af not delete files???? |
