| 00:37.34 | jeffm | grrr… so close to having a doubleclickable .app bundle |
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| 01:46.19 | saxobeat | hi guys I need help |
| 01:46.32 | blast007 | sup? |
| 01:46.41 | saxobeat | blast! |
| 01:47.03 | saxobeat | since yesterday ive had packetloss 5% up to 15% |
| 01:47.09 | saxobeat | nwith any server |
| 01:47.23 | blast007 | do you use wifi? |
| 01:47.30 | saxobeat | at least apocalypse and castle warfare |
| 01:47.35 | saxobeat | no |
| 01:47.49 | saxobeat | ive never had packetloss before |
| 01:48.09 | saxobeat | nbut i noticed something in my router's logs |
| 01:48.23 | Flash | apocalypse is prone to lag spikes |
| 01:48.54 | saxobeat | Blocked outgoing ICMP packet (ICMP type 3) from 192.168.0.102 to 66.255.156.60 |
| 01:49.56 | Flash | I don't believe BZflag uses ICMP |
| 01:50.19 | blast007 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICMP_Destination_Unreachable |
| 01:50.30 | saxobeat | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.16 | blast007 | type 3 has multiple possible codes for what it could mean |
| 01:51.31 | blast007 | and yes, BZFlag doesn't directly send any ICMP messages as far as I know |
| 01:51.54 | saxobeat | i know that my router blocks wan ping requests, but that is normal for security... |
| 01:51.55 | blast007 | but the underlying network layer of the operating system would use ICMP for various purposes |
| 01:52.10 | blast007 | ICMP is not just for pings |
| 01:52.20 | saxobeat | hmmm? |
| 01:52.35 | blast007 | ICMP has many purposes |
| 01:53.18 | saxobeat | 1. Why is my computer doing this request? |
| 01:53.21 | blast007 | so blocking ICMP ping requests (aka echo requests) is just one part of what ICMP does. |
| 01:53.24 | saxobeat | 2. Why is router blocking it? |
| 01:53.25 | blast007 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Control_Message_Protocol |
| 01:53.59 | blast007 | it's probably blocking it so not to expose the internal address of the computer behind the NAT |
| 01:54.23 | blast007 | But it's hard to say. I don't have any personal experience or much knowledge of the matter. |
| 01:55.04 | saxobeat | so bzflag doesn't need to ping, you sure? |
| 01:55.28 | blast007 | does the message continually write out to the router log during play? |
| 01:55.37 | saxobeat | yes |
| 01:55.41 | blast007 | weird |
| 01:56.02 | saxobeat | i know :( |
| 01:56.04 | blast007 | a quick test would be to bypass the router (if possible) by directly connecting the computer to the modem |
| 01:56.20 | Flash | Reasons for this message may include the data must be fragmented but the 'don't fragment' flag is on |
| 01:56.29 | saxobeat | nnot very practical with my current setup... |
| 01:56.40 | blast007 | saxobeat: not even for a quick test? |
| 01:57.05 | Flash | how verbose is your log? |
| 01:57.18 | saxobeat | i would need to setup the computer to connect to dsl |
| 01:57.47 | blast007 | doesn't the DSL modem handle that bit? |
| 01:58.00 | blast007 | or is it part of the router? |
| 01:58.07 | Flash | if there were a way to dump the code in the Type 3 message, that could help you figure out why the message is being generated |
| 01:58.21 | blast007 | a packet sniffer could get the contents of the message |
| 01:58.48 | saxobeat | darn i have to go... |
| 01:58.52 | saxobeat | nbbl |
| 01:58.58 | blast007 | get wireshark |
| 01:59.12 | saxobeat | ty guys for the help, ill come back later |
| 02:00.50 | Delusional | On the 3rd attempt i got a half decent set of treads. each side has six wheels and four suspension struts. came in just under 1500 polys, un-triangulated... I'm going with a 6 to 5 ratio, length to width. Now all I need is a hull |
| 02:01.04 | Delusional | as for the texture, it's definitely got one. |
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| 03:53.12 | Delusional | jeffm: client crash. http://pastebin.com/V2F4AtCC I added my new model, it crashed, so I put the game.py file back to original state, and it still crashes |
| 03:53.52 | jeffm | the script has an error |
| 03:53.55 | jeffm | pastebin it |
| 03:54.14 | Delusional | the # char is stilll a comment in python, right? |
| 03:54.29 | jeffm | "unindent does not match any outer indentation level" |
| 03:54.38 | jeffm | maybe |
| 03:55.03 | jeffm | indents are used for blocking in python so it matters how many you have |
| 03:55.09 | Delusional | http://pastebin.com/1VVGBQNW |
| 03:55.37 | Delusional | hmm, I'll have to be very careful |
| 03:55.41 | jeffm | yeah look at the line after the def |
| 03:55.57 | jeffm | it can't be indented further then then the one below |
| 03:56.37 | jeffm | your editor is probably using different tab settings then mine was |
| 04:06.16 | Delusional | alright, i'm back to original settings |
| 04:06.58 | jeffm | that's one thing I don't like about python, it's picky about indent format |
| 04:18.28 | Delusional | still nogo http://pastebin.com/ePCLrfJ5 |
| 04:19.50 | jeffm | you don't have to add the same texture 4 times |
| 04:19.52 | jeffm | just once |
| 04:20.05 | jeffm | it doesn't require 4 teams :) |
| 04:20.34 | jeffm | does your obj reference a material file? |
| 04:20.54 | Delusional | yes |
| 04:21.07 | jeffm | did you put that material file in the same folder as the obj? |
| 04:21.13 | Delusional | yes |
| 04:21.28 | jeffm | does that material file reference a texture path that does not exist? |
| 04:21.37 | Delusional | umm.. |
| 04:22.41 | Delusional | map_Kd yellow_tiles9.png |
| 04:23.09 | jeffm | make it map_Kd models/deluser_tank/yellow_tiles.png |
| 04:28.02 | Delusional | that didnt work |
| 04:28.11 | Delusional | i tried an absolute path too |
| 04:28.14 | Delusional | nogo |
| 04:28.18 | jeffm | oh abs paths will never work |
| 04:28.30 | jeffm | then send me your model folder |
| 04:29.58 | Delusional | i dont have a server to upload to anymore |
| 04:30.48 | jeffm | zip it, mail it to me |
| 04:30.58 | jeffm | jeffm2501 at the gmailz |
| 04:36.09 | Delusional | i sent one to you at awesomelaser too |
| 04:36.25 | Delusional | the gmail is more correct |
| 04:36.27 | jeffm | oh it all goes to the same place |
| 04:36.29 | jeffm | I got it |
| 04:37.10 | Delusional | my model is probbly 20 times too big. i never tried loading the icotank as a point of reference |
| 04:37.17 | Delusional | just thought of it! |
| 04:39.56 | jeffm | each block in the world is 1 unit square |
| 04:41.28 | jeffm | doesn't crash for me, but does not load a model |
| 04:43.07 | jeffm | I'll have a look at it in the morning when I have a proper editor |
| 04:43.23 | Delusional | yeah, it's almost 1 am here |
| 04:43.27 | Delusional | tomorrow |
| 04:43.56 | Delusional | it might help if I unified it into one mesh, as well |
| 04:44.10 | Delusional | instead of sub-objects |
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| 04:44.28 | jeffm | it's not supposed to matter, the obj reader keeps them in the same group |
| 04:44.37 | Delusional | and scaled it at .05 |
| 04:44.51 | jeffm | 0.05 of what? |
| 04:44.55 | jeffm | scale is relative |
| 04:44.58 | Delusional | 100 percent |
| 04:45.07 | jeffm | that dosnt mean anything |
| 04:45.19 | jeffm | how big is it's bounding box in units? |
| 04:45.57 | jeffm | cus all you have said is "it's half as big" |
| 04:46.06 | Delusional | 12 by 10 |
| 04:46.24 | jeffm | that before or after you scale it? |
| 04:46.30 | Delusional | approx 12.5 by 10.1 |
| 04:46.41 | Delusional | I exported at scale 1 |
| 04:47.16 | jeffm | then that is quite large |
| 04:48.42 | jeffm | wow opening the obj file in wings makes it freak out |
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| 21:56.59 | mahem1 | At the moment |
| 21:59.38 | mahem1 | The 'a' is bound down to "toggle slowKeyboard", and that is helpful in alot of situations that involve jumping while using keyboard. But there are also many other times when different pre assigned speeds would be usefull. Is there any way to do this? |
| 22:03.12 | blast007 | yes. |
| 22:03.26 | blast007 | plug in a mouse or analog joystick/gamepad. :P |
| 22:04.26 | mahem1 | Everytime I need to jump? That will be a hassle. :\ |
| 22:07.00 | mahem1 | So this would just be a rejected feature request? |
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| 22:34.48 | mahem1 | I guess so.... |
| 22:37.13 | blast007 | who is going to implement your feature? |
| 22:43.45 | mahem1 | Nobody I guess. |
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| 23:45.55 | JeffM | If you leave your code out at night, elves will come an implmenent features in it |
| 23:48.22 | blast007 | lol |