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| 02:26.41 | Quol | blast007: ever try django? (sine I hear you are tired of PHP) |
| 02:26.53 | Quol | I did that for about a year or so...was interesting |
| 02:36.45 | CIA-104 | opencombat: 03JeffM2501@gmail.com * r200 10/trunk/unit0/WorldDrawing/PlayerRenderer.cs: unused vars |
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| 05:59.06 | allejo | where is bz's app data stored on windows? |
| 06:02.46 | BulletCatcher | http://wiki.bzflag.org/Config_File has the answer. |
| 06:32.08 | allejo | thank you |
| 06:33.17 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03Allejo 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r8276 10/Config_File: Typo: Aplication -> Application |
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| 10:48.08 | blast007 | Quol: I've played with Django a bit |
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| 13:17.57 | Quol | blast007: ASP.NET MVC 3 is pretty cool too. have used that a fair amount also at work for internal sites of vairous kinds... |
| 13:18.08 | Quol | in case that option interests you |
| 13:26.35 | blast007 | I'm not 100% sold on the whole "MVC" thing |
| 13:27.25 | blast007 | might try doing something with Node.js |
| 14:00.58 | Quol | funny, as that has been on my "todo" list for a while...but haven't had time to check it out as of yet |
| 14:01.16 | Quol | let me know how it goes :) |
| 14:02.11 | Quol | but that still needs to be paired with some type of back-end.....PHP...ASP.NET...python... |
| 14:09.39 | Quol | ooh - I think I was thinking of soemthing else...node.js seems like a whole new animal |
| 14:15.18 | Quol | blast007: server side JS...running a webserver on JS...I see performance and scalability issues all over the place |
| 14:34.02 | Constitution | a ping to AAA_awright seems appropriate in this context |
| 15:45.19 | blast007 | Quol: http://zgadzaj.com/benchmarking-nodejs-basic-performance-tests-against-apache-php |
| 15:45.48 | blast007 | node.js uses's Google's v8 engine. |
| 15:45.56 | blast007 | same thing used in Chrome |
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| 16:14.38 | trepan | has been using Node.js for some time, nice to use the same lang client/server |
| 16:15.22 | trepan | once you get used to the "callback-hell" associated with event driven io, it's all good |
| 16:15.30 | trepan | (libs like "async" help) |
| 16:15.57 | blast007 | I'm somewhat used to that already from having used Mootools on the client-side |
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| 17:47.15 | AAA_awright | Quol: It's possible and performs better than bzfs |
| 17:55.44 | blast007 | AAA_awright: we're talking web, not bzfs. |
| 17:57.30 | AAA_awright | Same deal, it's an I/O system |
| 17:58.26 | JeffM | a drunk rodent performs better then bzfs ;) |
| 17:59.21 | AAA_awright | Quol: The whole point of Node.js is it's highly scalable, no thread overhead. If you need to scale, throw on more processes or servers. |
| 18:00.12 | blast007 | AAA_awright: So node.js is web scale? |
| 18:00.14 | blast007 | ducks |
| 18:04.31 | JeffM | hugs his lidgrin-network :) |
| 18:04.44 | JeffM | reflection pack/unpack FTW |
| 18:06.01 | Quol | ya - I am not convinced on papper. For any real website with traffic there will be multiple tiers of caching etc anyways, which from the graphs I am seeing you would need anyways with node.js. would have to test it our myself in a real world thing to see how it actually scales |
| 18:08.20 | CIA-104 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * r201 10/trunk/unit0/ (CodeLicense.txt License.txt): make the license file be specific to the code, not necessarily the resources. |
| 18:21.29 | Quol | blast007: interesting performance tests there..at least at a basic level it seems like it performs. would be interesting to see what happens once a real application is setup (DB connections etc..). |
| 18:22.35 | Quol | also looks like it will take a lot more to setup an application using it than a typical apache/nginx php thing |
| 18:28.19 | blast007 | I'm just tired of PHP... even after using it for years, I still have to look up the order of function arguments because they are not consistent |
| 18:29.13 | Quol | this is also something I have wanted to try out for the last couple of years and never gotten around to it: http://www.webtoolkit.eu/wt#/ |
| 18:29.58 | Quol | again - no idea, haven't dug in lots, but on the surface it seemed interesting |
| 18:30.09 | Quol | the framework seems pretty powerful |
| 18:31.31 | blast007 | writing a website with C++? |
| 18:31.44 | Quol | well - sort-of |
| 18:31.53 | Quol | you are staying with the framework - but ya, in C++ |
| 18:32.14 | blast007 | that seems like a major headache |
| 18:32.35 | Quol | and the framework takes care of everythig...all the javascript, ajax calls, backwords compatibility (so if the browser doesn't support javascript it serves up a compatible app that will do the same thing) etc.. |
| 18:32.38 | blast007 | I don't want to have to mess around with memory management, pointers, etc for a website.. |
| 18:33.13 | Quol | ya - that's why I have never tried it out yet :) |
| 18:33.34 | blast007 | "hmm, my site keeps segfaulting..." |
| 18:33.51 | Quol | but it's always sitting at the back of my mind - in wonder... |
| 18:34.10 | blast007 | I only know enough C++ to buy a beer and ask where the bathroom is. |
| 18:34.49 | Quol | about always looking things up. On a daily basis I mess with PHP, Python, .Net technologies...so all I do sometimes is look things up, as they are all mashed up in my mind |
| 18:35.59 | blast007 | ditto :) |
| 18:36.26 | Quol | then I have to write a powershell script...and that throws me off the edge :) |
| 18:36.36 | blast007 | at some point, I should consolidate/clean the bookmarks from my 30 different browser profiles across machines |
| 18:36.55 | Quol | I mean, if perl, bash, python, C and dos got married and had a child, it would be powershell :) |
| 18:37.38 | blast007 | hehe. I need to play with powershell a bit. I'm starting to dig around in Server 2008 R2, and I'm loving it. |
| 18:38.25 | Quol | on the surface 2008r2 is OK...in practice, we have had nothing but major pains. we can't believe some of the stuff we have found with it... |
| 18:38.53 | blast007 | for me, it'd probably work just fine. just a small school district. |
| 18:38.58 | Quol | at one point, we had 3 NDA's with MS, and they were creating custom patches for our fileserver cluster that we ugraded (that and our terminal server farm) |
| 18:39.31 | Quol | ya - as long as you don't have a lot of load...it will probably be OK. |
| 18:39.45 | blast007 | Yeah, I don't need a cluster. We just have two primary VMWare ESX servers, and a few other standalone systems. |
| 18:40.03 | blast007 | And a single SAN that the VMs use as their datastore. |
| 18:40.37 | Quol | cool. sometimes I miss environments like that ...less to blow up :) |
| 18:40.41 | blast007 | ;) |
| 18:40.58 | blast007 | easier to blow it up, though. |
| 18:41.37 | blast007 | ideally, I'd migrate to active directory this summer, but I think I'll keep myself more than busy enough with the email migration |
| 18:45.27 | Quol | your still running NT 4? |
| 18:45.46 | blast007 | no, Novell eDirectory |
| 18:45.54 | Quol | ahh.. |
| 18:46.05 | Quol | going to A.D. and exchange? |
| 18:46.12 | blast007 | A.D. and Google Apps |
| 18:46.27 | blast007 | though AD will probably wait until next year |
| 18:47.03 | Quol | cool. we converted one of our child companies over to google apps last year as a test (about 300 people)..was...interesting :) |
| 18:47.12 | blast007 | yeah, it will be :) |
| 18:47.23 | Quol | especially in china! |
| 18:47.35 | blast007 | I'm sure some hair will be removed from my head in the process, either naturally or by force... |
| 18:48.04 | Quol | "ahh - we can't log in to google apps?"...oh, china is chooseing to block it today..well, try again tomorrow :) |
| 18:48.11 | blast007 | lol |
| 18:49.30 | blast007 | it'll be nice to get rid of Groupwise for email |
| 18:52.04 | Quol | heh...I bet :) |
| 18:52.28 | Quol | you going full web experience? or will you use a client (outlook, firebird etc..)? |
| 18:52.34 | blast007 | dunno |
| 18:53.00 | blast007 | probably just web unless someone has a specific need for a client |
| 18:53.21 | blast007 | I prefer the gmail interface anyway |
| 18:53.36 | blast007 | though I found out it does not work on WebOS. can't scroll down.. |
| 18:53.43 | blast007 | and I hate the webos email client |
| 18:54.07 | blast007 | that touchbook has taught me a valuable lesson. tablets suck. |
| 18:54.11 | blast007 | touchpad* |
| 18:55.02 | Quol | about webos...I just foind out the MIUI also has a port to the touchpad |
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| 23:03.15 | khonkhortisan | The "Any player who is not a member of a team, and who has not logged into the site for a period of 2 months or more will be deleted." is a little bit of a deterrant |
| 23:04.29 | khonkhortisan | it makes me think "I don't want to get deleted, so I don't want to commit to a league" instead of "I have to remember to always be on a team" |
| 23:04.39 | khonkhortisan | or maybe that's just me |
| 23:06.39 | JeffM | yeah the leauges are not always kind :) |
| 23:06.53 | JeffM | but you ARE aware of them |
| 23:07.09 | khonkhortisan | yeah, I've gotten invites to teams before |
| 23:07.12 | blast007 | maybe the database size is limited to 640KB, because that should be enough for anybody |
| 23:07.24 | JeffM | any more then that and it gets filled with tacos |
| 23:07.28 | JeffM | or goes backwards |
| 23:07.40 | blast007 | upside down |
| 23:07.46 | blast007 | rickrolld |
| 23:08.03 | JeffM | I do think that providing the leagues with a standardized management system will help |
| 23:08.17 | JeffM | and make plaers more comfortable with using it |
| 23:13.12 | khonkhortisan | http://dev.flauschig.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/cant_sleep.png |
| 23:16.29 | khonkhortisan | and no, that's not a rickroll |
| 23:17.49 | khonkhortisan | that's what I think of when numbers go backwards |
| 23:19.52 | blast007 | originally from: http://xkcd.com/571/ |
| 23:20.16 | khonkhortisan | I knew it looked like xkcd! |
| 23:20.19 | blast007 | :) |
| 23:32.47 | JeffM | and cdogg9200 continues his downward spiral |
| 23:36.07 | JeffM | he is an idiot |
| 23:36.14 | I_Died_Once | what did he do ow |
| 23:36.15 | I_Died_Once | now |
| 23:36.32 | JeffM | cussed me out because we don't have compressed music support like I told him a month ago |
| 23:36.41 | JeffM | so now everything I make will suck |
| 23:37.03 | I_Died_Once | he wants to tank to Justin Bieber |
| 23:38.07 | I_Died_Once | i think if you are going to ship music with bzflag, there needs to be a couple of option as to which tune you wanna listen to |
| 23:38.14 | I_Died_Once | like pressing down on Rad Racer |
| 23:38.23 | blast007 | it was going to be a theme song, not in-game music |
| 23:38.26 | I_Died_Once | couple of diff tracks to pick from |
| 23:38.45 | I_Died_Once | he going to film a music video to go with that? |
| 23:38.56 | JeffM | he mentioend that he felt it was music that would play on the menu screen, and I said that we have no way to play that |
| 23:38.58 | I_Died_Once | get some backup dancers... |
| 23:39.24 | blast007 | I_Died_Once: http://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=17783 |
| 23:39.25 | JeffM | blast007, you have more paticence then I with him |
| 23:39.26 | I_Died_Once | tell him to put the bong down |
| 23:39.37 | JeffM | no he just needs to grow up |
| 23:40.25 | blast007 | "It's time to shut up or .. grow up!" |
| 23:40.42 | blast007 | or both, I guess |
| 23:42.29 | I_Died_Once | forget that, how about mp3 support? |
| 23:42.32 | I_Died_Once | in game command |
| 23:42.36 | JeffM | nope |
| 23:42.40 | JeffM | has license issues |
| 23:42.49 | I_Died_Once | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.49 | JeffM | we'd have to do oog |
| 23:43.04 | JeffM | 1.8 had ogg support |
| 23:43.36 | I_Died_Once | isnt LAME open source? |
| 23:43.46 | I_Died_Once | ffmpeg |
| 23:43.54 | blast007 | there are parents involved |
| 23:44.04 | blast007 | and really, why? |
| 23:44.15 | blast007 | ogg is just as good or better |
| 23:44.30 | I_Died_Once | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.44 | blast007 | we are not going to have music |
| 23:44.56 | I_Died_Once | then you could listen to whatever you want |
| 23:45.03 | blast007 | if you want to play songs off your computer, run your own media player |
| 23:45.08 | JeffM | yeah you can write code to do MP3 but you have to have a license to use it |
| 23:45.40 | JeffM | I am going to use ogg for all sounds for size, and will probalby have connection music |
| 23:45.46 | JeffM | but after that probably nothing |
| 23:46.08 | JeffM | except server triggered sound files |
| 23:46.34 | I_Died_Once | too bad i can't install a couple of twelve's and a 2000 watt amplifier on my tank and beat down the block, make everyone's computer screen's rattle |
| 23:47.14 | blast007 | that'll be $200 on opencombat |
| 23:47.20 | I_Died_Once | "Buh-buh-buh-Benny and the Jets!" |
| 23:48.07 | JeffM | naw, just 150 "battle bux" |
| 23:48.50 | I_Died_Once | how about in game access to my iTunes account! |
| 23:49.00 | JeffM | no, just amazon |
| 23:49.01 | I_Died_Once | dodges |
| 23:53.45 | JeffM | I would like integrated positonal voice chat |
| 23:53.49 | JeffM | your teamies sound like they are on the side of you where they are on the map |
| 23:54.02 | JeffM | and you can hear others if you are really close |
| 23:54.11 | blast007 | 2.99.x had mumble positional audio iirc |
| 23:54.45 | JeffM | yeah it should not be hard to integrate |
| 23:56.19 | I_Died_Once | who heads up the Riker's Cup? |
| 23:56.26 | JeffM | gu |
| 23:56.50 | I_Died_Once | who heads up the gu? |
| 23:57.24 | I_Died_Once | tonight, i'm just full of |
| 23:57.26 | I_Died_Once | questions |
