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| 18:43.51 | blast007 | JeffM: Tank Terminator has asked for groups, and he's not even running a server ... |
| 18:45.25 | blast007 | he had even sent me a PM to "pls sseee if u can do them now" after you told him to be patient.. |
| 18:47.56 | JeffM | heh |
| 18:48.18 | JeffM | he has no idea what he's doing, doubt he'll even be abel to route the port to his windows box |
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| 19:56.17 | L4m3r | he also PM'd me on IRC last week at 4am, "hello / pls reply" and then "what the hell is up with people thesse [sic] days?", and /quit after waiting a total of 5 minutes |
| 21:01.30 | Flash | Is there an Xcode guru in the house? |
| 21:01.56 | JeffM | install visual studio ;) |
| 21:02.36 | Flash | I'm such a dinosaur, these IDEs are not helpful |
| 21:02.53 | JeffM | you don't have to use them |
| 21:02.57 | JeffM | but what are you trying to do? |
| 21:03.21 | Flash | I got a new computer, and I have a game I play that doesn't run on 10.7, so I'm trying to compile it |
| 21:03.43 | JeffM | did it come with an xcode project? |
| 21:03.48 | Flash | It all builds fine now, but when I try to run, it say "Unable to load nib file: MainMenu, exiting |
| 21:04.01 | Flash | no, it came with a Makefile (that didn't work) |
| 21:04.03 | JeffM | did it build a .app or did it just make a unix exe? |
| 21:04.15 | JeffM | yeah they probalby have a packaging step |
| 21:04.25 | JeffM | the nibs are special resources that go in the .app |
| 21:04.36 | JeffM | do you have a .app that dosn't work? |
| 21:04.37 | Flash | I am not 100% sure; I am guessing it just wants to build a .exe, but it was distributed as an app |
| 21:04.43 | Flash | yes, I do |
| 21:04.59 | JeffM | right click on the .app and choose "view contents" |
| 21:05.07 | JeffM | there should be an OSX folder in there |
| 21:05.13 | JeffM | replace the exe in it, with the one you built |
| 21:05.28 | JeffM | that should let it have all the other resources from the .app it wants |
| 21:05.40 | JeffM | what game is it? |
| 21:05.54 | Flash | einstein |
| 21:07.10 | JeffM | did you find the OSX folder? |
| 21:07.18 | JeffM | it may be "contents" or something |
| 21:07.27 | JeffM | I can fire my mac up and see what it has |
| 21:07.30 | JeffM | if you can't find it |
| 21:08.34 | Flash | this stupid client seems to be swallowing half of my input |
| 21:08.47 | JeffM | what IRC client are you using |
| 21:08.53 | Flash | I'm trying to find the built executable. I don't know where it put it |
| 21:08.58 | Flash | I'm using MacIrssi |
| 21:09.04 | blast007 | http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/home |
| 21:09.06 | blast007 | ducks |
| 21:09.22 | JeffM | looks like it makes a target folder |
| 21:09.34 | JeffM | did you run the makefile or the makefile.macosx ? |
| 21:10.05 | Flash | Actually, I ended up chucking the makefiles, and started from scratch with a Cocoa project |
| 21:10.07 | JeffM | my guess is that it'd be just a file called, einstein in the root of the source |
| 21:10.10 | JeffM | oh |
| 21:10.16 | JeffM | yeah then you are on your own |
| 21:10.47 | Flash | With Xcode 4, the compiler and all the system headers are buried in the .app |
| 21:10.51 | JeffM | it's an SDL app, I don't know if it really needs cocoa |
| 21:10.55 | Flash | makes it a pain to use |
| 21:11.13 | JeffM | so you probalby added the nib dependency when you made that project |
| 21:11.19 | Flash | What I read was that the Mac SDL *is* Cocoa, so you just delete a little extra and it "should" work |
| 21:11.22 | JeffM | what didn't build with the mafefile? |
| 21:11.33 | Flash | http://meandmark.com/blog/2012/01/using-sdl-with-xcode-4/ |
| 21:11.37 | JeffM | well mac SDL USES cocoa, but it has it's own main |
| 21:11.47 | JeffM | so you don't need your own nibs |
| 21:11.57 | Flash | I was having issues with finding system headers, like stdio.h |
| 21:12.27 | Flash | I think a part of my issue was when I copied stuff from my old computer, it brought some old development cruft along with it |
| 21:12.35 | Flash | I've been trying to clean it up |
| 21:13.50 | Flash | let's see; the first issue I have with the Makefile.macosx is that CXX appears to default to "c++" (don't know where that is set) and I don't have that link |
| 21:14.21 | Flash | so I set CXX=g++ in my profile |
| 21:15.01 | JeffM | the makefile has a prefix that finds those headers |
| 21:15.14 | JeffM | it is a SUPER old app |
| 21:15.29 | Flash | the compiler SHOULD find its own system headers |
| 21:16.27 | JeffM | you don't know much about gcc do you :) |
| 21:16.33 | Flash | nope |
| 21:16.53 | Flash | I've been spoiled using Sun Studio for the past few decades |
| 21:17.06 | JeffM | yeah it dosn't |
| 21:17.10 | JeffM | it is just an executable |
| 21:17.39 | JeffM | it dosn't have to know where the "standard" headers are since it dosn't have to use the "standard" headers if the makefile dosn't want it to |
| 21:17.53 | JeffM | the makefile for that app tells gcc where to look for ALL includes |
| 21:18.01 | JeffM | and the system ones use the pefix |
| 21:18.12 | JeffM | it's set to usr/local |
| 21:18.16 | Flash | oh. I'm used to an explicit "DON'T use the standard headers" flag |
| 21:18.22 | JeffM | nope |
| 21:18.30 | JeffM | that's what a modern IDE does for you |
| 21:18.34 | JeffM | gcc is JUST a compiler |
| 21:18.37 | JeffM | not an IDE |
| 21:19.17 | Flash | well, of course I'm also used to "standard" headers always being in /usr/include too |
| 21:19.25 | Flash | Thank you, Apple |
| 21:19.25 | JeffM | I would try to use the makefile and just set the prefix right |
| 21:19.36 | JeffM | different unix systems put them in different places |
| 21:19.42 | JeffM | it's not just apple |
| 21:20.05 | Flash | I'm old. Unix systems didn't USED to be so "creative" :P |
| 21:20.09 | JeffM | you see differences in dir layouts between bsd and linux too |
| 21:20.24 | JeffM | if you were old you'd know that they were all different :) |
| 21:20.53 | Flash | I'm old and sheltered |
| 21:21.02 | JeffM | the makefile looks ok, it just needs some paths tweaked, and you have to have the SDL, SDL-TTL and SDL-mixer frameworks |
| 21:21.15 | Flash | frameworks, check |
| 21:21.32 | JeffM | I would see if you can get that to build and then move that exe into the .app they provide |
| 21:22.25 | Flash | so --sysroot=/path/to/where/Xcode/hides/headers ?? |
| 21:22.28 | JeffM | there is a res file in the .app, that could be what it's looking for |
| 21:22.43 | JeffM | it's probalby not xcode |
| 21:22.52 | Flash | yeah, it actually is |
| 21:22.57 | JeffM | and in the makefile there is PREFIX=/usr/local |
| 21:22.59 | JeffM | just change that |
| 21:23.44 | JeffM | or just add a -I/path/to/stuff |
| 21:23.48 | JeffM | ether would work I think |
| 21:24.46 | Flash | /Applications/Xcode/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOS10.7.sdk/ |
| 21:26.08 | JeffM | is that the carbon stuff or the C standard lib |
| 21:26.19 | Flash | standard |
| 21:26.35 | Flash | there's a usr directory under there |
| 21:26.38 | JeffM | well whatever works for you |
| 21:26.43 | JeffM | goes shoping |
| 21:26.46 | JeffM | good luck |
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| 23:57.21 | Flash | well, the (a) key is the system root. It appears that there are two ways to do it; --sysroot=/path/to/system/files or "-isysroot /path/to/system" |
| 23:57.31 | Flash | needed on both the compile and link lines |
| 23:58.39 | Flash | my last hurdle is it refers to "-lSDLmain" but I am not finding this library anywhere. Perhaps one of the changes between SDL 1.2.15 and older versions? |