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| 03:07.32 | buhman | bzflag explodes when I try to run it http://sprunge.us/iaUK |
| 03:07.45 | buhman | that's a radeon 4250 using xf86-video-ati mesa 8.0.3 |
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| 04:19.15 | Constitution | buhman: how did you get that build? can you possibly compile from source with debugging enabled and get us a backtrace? |
| 04:19.43 | Constitution | really hard to tell the issue from just that |
| 04:21.29 | buhman | Constitution: that's from the arch [extra] repository |
| 04:21.44 | buhman | Constitution: and sure |
| 04:37.45 | buhman | No fonts found (the -directory option may help). Exiting |
| 04:37.51 | buhman | I'm assuming I did ./configure wrong |
| 04:39.42 | BulletCatcher | After compiling, just run src/bzflag/bzflag and it should find the fonts. |
| 04:42.05 | buhman | BulletCatcher: it doesn't |
| 04:43.23 | buhman | hmm, I used "./bzflag -directory ../../data" and bzflag appears to be working just fine |
| 04:43.46 | BulletCatcher | Be in the directory that contains the configure script and run src/bzflag/bzflag . |
| 05:00.00 | Constitution | so it runs? |
| 05:00.03 | buhman | yes |
| 05:00.17 | Constitution | hm. what distro are you on? |
| 05:00.33 | buhman | so how would I go about figuring out what's wrong with my distribution's package so I could give them useful information so they can fix it? |
| 05:00.37 | buhman | arch gnu/linux |
| 05:01.51 | Constitution | hard to say. you could try to download the exact same source revision that the package version was built on (if that can be determined) and try to debug that... but if it runs then presumably if there was an issue it was already fixed |
| 05:03.38 | Constitution | I'm assuming your distro version was 2.4.something? |
| 05:13.22 | BulletCatcher | The current Arch Linux BZFlag version is 2.4.0-2, which is unpatched 2.4.0 according to their PKGBUILD file. |
| 05:19.05 | buhman | indeed |
| 05:20.26 | BulletCatcher | Is that the same source you compiled yourself? Or did you get the latest from BZFlag's Subversion repository? |
| 05:20.30 | buhman | Constitution: they're using http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/bzflag/bzflag%20source/2.4.0/bzflag-2.4.0.tar.bz2 |
| 05:20.38 | buhman | I compiled the very same sources |
| 05:21.26 | Constitution | you may want to file a bug report with your distribution |
| 05:21.42 | Constitution | if your primary goal is to play, and your self-compiled version is working, I would probably just go with that |
| 05:21.43 | BulletCatcher | Do you have the Arch Linux curl and glew development packages installed? If you don't then BZFlag uses bundled versions. |
| 05:21.59 | BulletCatcher | That could account for some differences. |
| 05:22.29 | buhman | the "curl" and "glew" packages also provide the headers |
| 05:22.41 | buhman | there are no "development" packages in arch linux (if I'm not mistaken) |
| 05:24.01 | BulletCatcher | If you have /usr/include/GL/glew.h and /usr/include/curl/curl.h, then the rest of the header files should be there too. |
| 05:25.04 | buhman | http://sprunge.us/WZaT |
| 05:26.12 | buhman | I'm going to compile without debug enabled, and see if that changes anything |
| 05:26.13 | BulletCatcher | Yup. No development packages needed. |
| 05:27.10 | BulletCatcher | To do that: "make distclean", then configure without --enable-debug. |
| 05:46.39 | buhman | BulletCatcher: so I actually built it from source using the pkgbuild |
| 05:49.16 | buhman | http://sprunge.us/MEfe |
| 05:49.33 | buhman | quite interesting, because when I make the pkgbuild myself, it works just fine |
| 06:02.29 | buhman | how might I determine what's going on with the packaged version so I can report the problem to the appropriate package maintainers? |
| 06:11.17 | BulletCatcher | The only thing I can think of is to run it with gdb, then look at the backtrace. It won't have a lot of info, though. |
| 06:12.41 | BulletCatcher | It is possible that an external dependency has changed since it was compiled for Arch. They may simply need to rebuild it. |
| 06:20.33 | buhman | this might seem like a silly question, but how do I start bzflag without it going fullscreen/mouse-grabbing so I can look at what gdb says? |
| 06:20.57 | BulletCatcher | bzflag -window 800x600 |
| 06:21.02 | BulletCatcher | Or any other size. |
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| 06:25.08 | buhman | BulletCatcher: that still mouse-grabs |
| 06:25.26 | buhman | the only way I know how to escape that is to sysrq my way out |
| 06:27.15 | Flash | cmd-tab? |
| 06:27.41 | buhman | interestingly it seems to absorb all input |
| 06:28.09 | buhman | I can't move the mouse outside the window, or talk to the window manager |
| 06:28.13 | Flash | Is there a Linux keyboard equivalent to switch apps? Windows(blah) and Mac have it |
| 06:28.21 | buhman | depends on the window manager |
| 06:28.31 | Flash | on YOUR window manager? |
| 06:28.56 | buhman | sure; in the same tag; that's mod4+j/k |
| 06:29.05 | buhman | but that doesn't work when bzflag grabs all input |
| 06:29.25 | Flash | it grabs the mouse, but it should allow keystrokes to the window manager |
| 06:29.32 | Flash | in windowed mode |
| 06:29.33 | buhman | apparently not |
| 06:30.48 | buhman | X still responds obviously, and I can switch to a tty, but I can't escape that window |
| 06:30.50 | Flash | try Options->Input Settings->Confine mouse: no |
| 06:31.09 | buhman | right, how do you propose I do that when it segfaults before the menu appears |
| 06:34.44 | buhman | http://sprunge.us/WXVh |
| 06:39.10 | BulletCatcher | You can free the mouse by putting "set mousegrab false" in ~/.bzf/2.4/config.cfg . |
| 06:40.18 | Flash | I'm wondering what else might be there . . . my output matches his at the same debug level, but (obviously) mine comes up |
| 06:45.55 | Flash | try this: |
| 06:46.09 | Flash | echo <<EOF >> gdbstuff |
| 06:46.28 | Flash | run bzflag -window 800x600 |
| 06:46.29 | Flash | bt |
| 06:46.32 | Flash | EOF |
| 06:46.44 | Flash | that creates a file with 2 lines in it |
| 06:47.00 | Flash | then try: gdb -x gdbstuff |
| 06:47.11 | Flash | it will then print a stack track when it crashed |
| 06:48.08 | Flash | shall I assume that the SDL runtime is properly installed? (pretty naive about Linux) |
| 07:21.35 | buhman | well, I would assume so; when I compile it myself, it works just fine |
| 07:21.51 | buhman | and my sdl comes from the repositories as well |
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| 07:58.37 | Constitution | when all else fails, visit http://www.apple.com/why-mac |
| 08:04.48 | buhman | I hope you're joking |
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| 08:13.50 | Constitution | somewhat ;) has usually worked for me though |
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| 14:19.43 | mahem1 | Does anyone know how the flagOnSpawn plugin works? I have tried and fail to make it work using a commands like "-loadplugin /usr/local/lib/bzflag/flagOnSpawn.so,f". Would the problem be that it has not be updated to 2.4? |
| 14:22.15 | blast007 | did the plugin build with your 2.4 compile? |
| 14:23.19 | mahem1 | No. |
| 14:23.29 | blast007 | then were did you get it? |
| 14:23.42 | blast007 | where* |
| 14:23.49 | mahem1 | From bzaddict. |
| 14:25.18 | mahem1 | I don't know if it worked when the servers were still 2.0 |
| 14:25.31 | blast007 | does the plugin show up in /listplugins ? |
| 14:26.29 | mahem1 | yes, in the #1 slot |
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| 14:28.52 | mahem1 | Does the plugin need world flags? Because the only flags are 'zoneflags'. |
| 14:31.06 | mahem1 | hmm, also -dddd isn't giving me any info. |
| 14:51.58 | blast007 | dunno |
| 14:52.15 | mahem1 | Ok |
| 14:53.24 | mahem1 | Should it work if it is a 2.0 plugin? |
| 14:54.17 | blast007 | no, it wouldn't even load on 2.4 if it was a 2.0 plugin |
| 14:55.18 | mahem1 | Ok, I think I'll ask allejo about it, thanks for you help. |
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| 17:55.39 | allejo | hmmm i guess i never updated that plugin on bzaddict... |
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| 21:05.30 | Constitution | ~allejo++ |
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