| 00:00.07 | nvz | shrugs |
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| 00:56.31 | spldart | Stupid people make us look smarter. Jeff is in a better place. |
| 00:56.45 | spldart | ;~P |
| 00:56.59 | Tanx | just don't say anything and you won't look stupid ;) |
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| 00:57.13 | spldart | Haa haa |
| 00:57.35 | spldart | For me... going to a class is taking a seminar for Sony, Pioneer, Samsung.. etc |
| 00:57.51 | spldart | And I never look ... well... nescient |
| 00:58.02 | spldart | ;) |
| 00:59.44 | spldart | ooOOoo! I need to play some BZ.... 8~D |
| 01:34.12 | spldart | Wow! There are some *filth flarn filth* good players out there... ;) |
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| 21:15.13 | nvz | anyone know about a bug related to teleports? they were working when we played yesterday on the same map, now today they're just seeming to teleport and leave you in a yellow screen spinning around by the destination tp and you can't even shoot or anything |
| 21:19.27 | nvz | by no means a pressing issue, as its on 2.0.16 just curious thats all |
| 21:20.46 | I_Died_Once | try upgrading to 2.4 |
| 21:26.17 | joevano | nvz: was the map updated? |
| 21:53.58 | nvz | idk.. wasnt changed since I played it yesterdat |
| 21:54.10 | nvz | at least not to my knowledge |
| 21:54.21 | nvz | I just downloaded it yesterday and played it and it worked fine |
| 21:55.03 | nvz | I plan to upgrade to 2.4 but its a bit more complicated for linux users to upgrade |
| 21:55.17 | nvz | not that I can't handle it, I just dont really have the time/need right now |
| 21:55.32 | nvz | only been playing directly head to head on LAN so.. |
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| 22:14.56 | blast007 | nvz: it's pretty easy to compile and install 2.4 on linux |
| 22:15.25 | nvz | I'm sure it is, but not as easy as it is to install a binary package |
| 22:16.31 | blast007 | I posted directions for someone here: http://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18088#p162972 |
| 22:16.33 | nvz | I'm linux certified, been using it EXCLUSIVELY for 12 years or more, and been familiar with bzflag and even had some discussion about various techincal issues of it with Tim many years ago.. I'm def able to do it |
| 22:16.59 | nvz | its just a matter that I seen no need considering my point was to play a head to head lan game with a 7 year old |
| 22:16.59 | blast007 | "linux certified" doesn't really mean too much ;) |
| 22:17.31 | nvz | no, it doesnt.. I didnt study for either the original exam or the new beta exam when they asked me to take it so they could figure out the scoring scale for the new test |
| 22:17.59 | nvz | hardest part of it was, stupid questions about specific file permissions which is site/distro/admin specific |
| 22:18.06 | nvz | seemed to be modelled around SLES |
| 22:18.36 | nvz | I'm no stranger or newbie is all I'm saying |
| 22:18.49 | nvz | been compiling kernels and crap for ages |
| 22:19.15 | nvz | my most recent fascination was the hedgewars project |
| 22:19.25 | blast007 | so I've heard |
| 22:19.28 | nvz | compiled that many times |
| 22:19.59 | nvz | personally I'd like to implement the bzflag style input config screen in hedgewars because that as well as many parts of their frontend is hideous |
| 22:20.47 | nvz | I'll give tim and the other bz developers credit, they seem to be very detail oriented, good designers |
| 22:21.51 | nvz | that damn hw input setup screen displays for each binding a pull down menu that has ALL SDL inputs in it.. Keyboard: A, Mouse: Button 1, Joystick: Button 0..etc |
| 22:22.16 | nvz | its a HUGE pulldown and has no means of anything other than scrolling to find a key to bind and they're all lumped together.. its horrible |
| 22:23.14 | nvz | though its clear the developers are mostly hard core pascal programmers who focus on the engine.. they did up the frontend in C using QT and it shows that none of them are frontend kinda people |
| 22:35.45 | blast007 | nvz: you must not play many other games :) |
| 22:36.34 | blast007 | In BZFlag, we give you a mouse cursor in the menu, but you can't click on anything. if that's good design, then I'd hate to see bad design. |
| 22:38.41 | nvz | blast007: haha.. well I'm not that picky.. the presence of a mouse cursor I totally ignore |
| 22:39.23 | nvz | I had some wild ideas when I first came to bzflag, and tim calmly explained to me thats not what bzflag was.. he had a clear idea of what is and isnt bzflag |
| 22:39.45 | nvz | and the game itself seems to be pretty solid from what I seen |
| 22:40.09 | blast007 | too bad it's dead |
| 22:40.23 | nvz | this 2.0.16 I got though I found a lot of issues with.. but its dated so.. |
| 22:40.35 | nvz | it was very much alive when I found it years ago |
| 22:40.50 | nvz | I havent played it or even been to #bzflag or anything in years |
| 22:40.53 | blast007 | mainly referring to development |
| 22:41.31 | nvz | yeah well when I first looked at it, it was still fairly early in development, no joystick support yet, no curved or transparent objects..etc |
| 22:41.50 | blast007 | so 1.7 or 1.10 |
| 22:41.58 | nvz | 1.10 sounds about right |
| 22:42.42 | nvz | I started using debian around the end of 2.2r6 "potato" in probably 1999-2000 and found bzflag around the same time |
| 22:42.56 | blast007 | probably 1.7 then |
| 22:43.07 | blast007 | 2001 was when 1.7e2 came out, iirc |
| 22:43.40 | nvz | I could figure it out by seeing what was in debian potato/woody |
| 22:44.06 | nvz | few days after I burned 2.2r6 on CD and installed it 3.0 came out |
| 22:44.20 | nvz | so thats probably the first version I had |
| 22:44.59 | nvz | and since tim was a DD maintaining bzflag at the time, we naturally had whatever was current when that released |
| 22:45.58 | nvz | I dont know Tim well, only had a breif chat or two with him, but between my limited experience with him and reading his resume on his website, I gotta say I like the guy.. heh |
| 22:47.32 | nvz | I just like the way he basically tells potential employers this is how it is, if you dont like it dont bother me.. cause I know first hand how many tech employers can really waste your damn time |
| 22:48.18 | blast007 | he's still a DD afaik, but that hasn't magically made 2.4.0 get into debian |
| 22:48.48 | nvz | yeah well as I gather he's a busy guy. |
| 22:51.25 | nvz | and seems to have mostly abandoned bzflag as of maybe 3 years ago |
| 22:51.52 | nvz | if it werent for seeing him on IRC occasionally I'd think he fell off the planet.. |
| 22:53.04 | blast007 | he's on right now. he just really don't join here much anymore. |
| 22:55.27 | nvz | I got the general impression he's probably spending more time on embedded projects trying to stay ahead of the game, or stay relevant.. |