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| 16:46.59 | temporalD | Hi there - long time no see |
| 16:47.33 | temporalD | Anyone with @ on wtwrp.de here? We need help in the Padora map - troll |
| 16:47.53 | temporalD | has a bunch of obs that are blocking the poll ban system |
| 16:48.03 | JeffM | who owns the server? |
| 16:48.52 | temporalD | I don't know JeffM - but COBRAFAST.ADMIN is one of the admin groups |
| 16:49.14 | temporalD | as far as I know there's not an easy way to find who owns that group |
| 16:49.17 | JeffM | he owns it |
| 16:49.29 | JeffM | yeah there is, we track the owner of every server |
| 16:49.32 | JeffM | have since 2.4 |
| 16:49.44 | JeffM | strayers stats site shows the owner in the server info |
| 16:50.11 | temporalD | Ok that's nice - |
| 16:50.50 | temporalD | and since he's not in the game right now - is there anyone else here that has @ on his servers? |
| 16:51.09 | JeffM | that's harder to tell |
| 16:51.54 | JeffM | things don't always move fast here :) |
| 16:52.32 | temporalD | It didn't really matter who owned the server, JeffM |
| 16:52.54 | JeffM | well it could help with who to send a PM to if they were not here a lot |
| 16:52.54 | temporalD | We had a problem that could be solved by anyone with privs there |
| 16:53.01 | temporalD | and we got it by my asking here |
| 16:53.05 | JeffM | ok good |
| 16:53.07 | temporalD | you kind of muddied the situation |
| 16:53.23 | JeffM | was just trying to see if there was anyone specifc you could direct it to |
| 16:53.25 | temporalD | with irrelevancies |
| 16:53.25 | JeffM | geez |
| 16:53.31 | JeffM | fine |
| 16:53.37 | temporalD | well thanks for trying to help |
| 16:54.10 | JeffM | if the owner was an unknown person here then the likelyhood of there being someone here would be less ;) |
| 16:54.25 | temporalD | yep |
| 17:02.50 | blast007 | temporalD: I fail to see how knowing the owner of a server is irrelevant to an issue relating to that server |
| 17:03.52 | temporalD | yea, OK |
| 17:03.57 | I_Died_Once | is there a way to look at which names are members of a given group? |
| 17:04.10 | blast007 | and doesn't the poll system ignore non-registered users now? or was that just a 2.99.x thing? |
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| 17:05.01 | JeffM | I_Died_Once, not really, unless bzbb allows it for public groups. you may not want to show everyone who's in a group since not all groups are used to give permisions |
| 17:05.19 | JeffM | the owner thing is part of the hosting key that we added in 2.4 |
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| 17:06.40 | temporalD | blast007: mind if I paste two lines here about that poll? |
| 17:07.22 | blast007 | looks like the poll system only totals up users that have the 'poll' permission, so on a server that is configured to only have the poll permission on the VERIFIED group, it should only require that X percentage of *those* users vote, not X percentage of *all* users |
| 17:07.47 | JeffM | hey... would that be something the owner would set up? |
| 17:07.54 | blast007 | JeffM: possibly! |
| 17:08.10 | blast007 | temporalD: I don't mind, no |
| 17:08.24 | temporalD | the obs were registered but not identified - they had the " - " next to their callsigns |
| 17:08.30 | temporalD | SERVER: 5 players are available, 2 additional affirming votes required to pass the poll (50.099998 %) |
| 17:08.31 | temporalD | SERVER: Poll Results: 4 in favor, 0 oppose, 6 abstain |
| 17:08.42 | randomparticle | i'm having to run the xcode build process twice to get the new executable in place. any idea why? |
| 17:08.45 | temporalD | he had 4 obs at that point I think |
| 17:09.08 | randomparticle | if i do it only once, and run, the old un-updated executable is being run |
| 17:10.07 | I_Died_Once | were they registered user observers? |
| 17:11.09 | I_Died_Once | ah, nm, i c |
| 17:11.13 | temporalD | I_Died_Once: they appeared to be registered callsigns, but not identified |
| 17:11.21 | temporalD | names like "google" |
| 17:12.02 | blast007 | temporalD: was the poll successful or not? |
| 17:12.30 | temporalD | no, with 6 abstaining the poll failed |
| 17:12.34 | I_Died_Once | not to be ugly and disrespectful to the cobrafast admin team, but it sounds like a poorly set up, poorly maintained, run-of-the-mill, jackassy server |
| 17:13.15 | blast007 | temporalD: then I'd have to dig deeper into the code to determine why |
| 17:14.08 | blast007 | too bad this issue wasn't reported in the year between the release of 2.4.0 and 2.4.2 ....... |
| 17:14.20 | JeffM | maybe in 2014 |
| 17:14.32 | temporalD | could be a new exploit - I don't think I've seen this before |
| 17:14.44 | JeffM | I_Died_Once, you were civil until that last part. |
| 17:14.57 | blast007 | I mean the possible bug in the poll counting code |
| 17:15.03 | I_Died_Once | seems like a large effort to thwart a poll ban |
| 17:15.07 | JeffM | it would be hard to know what it is with out knowing what the settings are on that machine |
| 17:15.28 | JeffM | I_Died_Once, and now you know why I think karma is a dumb idea :) |
| 17:16.02 | I_Died_Once | replace the karma with a "bad juju" rating |
| 17:17.02 | I_Died_Once | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juju |
| 17:18.27 | JeffM | I meant the karma that TimRiker had envisioned based on community votes |
| 17:20.30 | I_Died_Once | what would be nice would be some sort of requirement to have a group of publicly known members of an admin team to be present somewhere so when something funky goes down on a server, theres more than one non-active person to go to |
| 17:20.38 | I_Died_Once | there can be several non-active people to go to |
| 17:20.54 | kierra | were the nicks actual legit callsigns....cuz swiss boy has been mimicking players' callsigns |
| 17:20.58 | I_Died_Once | like making the members of a *.cop group publicly visible |
| 17:21.41 | JeffM | I_Died_Once, that would entail the project managing all the servers |
| 17:21.53 | I_Died_Once | its normally the *.hidden and *.admin names people dont want getting out |
| 17:21.58 | JeffM | it's viable but different from how the current stuff is setup |
| 17:22.18 | JeffM | if you did it as simple as a group and just forced every server to accept that group you'd end up wiht massive abbuses of power |
| 17:22.27 | JeffM | and people would get butthurt |
| 17:22.36 | I_Died_Once | dont want anyone getting butthurt |
| 17:23.06 | JeffM | the actual idea you are thinking of is probably how the project like this should go in the long run |
| 17:23.38 | I_Died_Once | inter-community encouragement - if y ou're going to run a server that ranks in the upper half of things, we need a contact list |
| 17:23.38 | JeffM | treat it like freenode, have real staff run by a section of the project and have server owners donate hardware/bandwith to the project to use |
| 17:24.03 | JeffM | well the server list needs to be taken down to 1% of it's current size |
| 17:24.13 | JeffM | what we have no is silly |
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| 17:24.56 | JeffM | have a few hosts and have those hosts able to server up multiple games/maps as needed |
| 17:26.01 | JeffM | and those are managed by the project's admin team |
| 17:26.18 | JeffM | any administration system based on mamby pamby "voting" is going to fail |
| 17:28.48 | I_Died_Once | i didnt mean having one group that every server uses for admin's.... i mean that whatever group that server uses for .cop - make it to where the members of whatever .cop group has its members visible |
| 17:29.12 | randomparticle | is there a standard c++ macro/function to get the sign of a value? |
| 17:29.13 | JeffM | not all servers may want to use the "cop" orginsation |
| 17:29.25 | randomparticle | value being float |
| 17:29.31 | JeffM | randomparticle, nope divide it by it's own fabs |
| 17:29.37 | I_Died_Once | but it would be a list of who to go to when... you get hte idea |
| 17:29.38 | I_Died_Once | meh |
| 17:29.42 | JeffM | x/fabs(x) |
| 17:30.04 | JeffM | I_Died_Once, it's something that each server owner should do, provide a list of admins |
| 17:30.19 | JeffM | but I don't think we should tell them how they have to do that |
| 17:30.19 | randomparticle | that's an idea. or maybe (x < 0.0) ? -1 : 1 |
| 17:30.32 | JeffM | sure |
| 17:30.40 | JeffM | both work |
| 17:31.04 | JeffM | I_Died_Once, remember you don't have to use global groups if you don't want to |
| 17:32.24 | JeffM | if we required registration and had in game private messages it would make sense for the game to tell you the unique names of it's admins |
| 17:32.31 | JeffM | then the backend could be anything |
| 17:45.40 | blast007 | it would be easier to do what I_Died_Once suggested if/when we have a proper group system |
| 17:45.54 | JeffM | lots of things would be easier/better if that was true ;) |
| 17:46.05 | blast007 | we're abusing the heck out of the phpBB group system already |
| 17:46.09 | JeffM | but yeah then owners could choose to make groups public |
| 17:46.26 | blast007 | (and we're forced into the cookie cutter that phpBB designed) |
| 17:46.35 | JeffM | and keeps changing |
| 17:47.10 | JeffM | just move to facebook, it has awesome group management and privacy controls |
| 17:56.16 | randomparticle | x^2, x<1 is positive. x^3, x<1 is negative. what about x^2.5, x<1 ? |
| 17:56.50 | randomparticle | negositive? :--) |
| 17:57.16 | randomparticle | might be into i territory here |
| 17:57.33 | JeffM | i is the most awesome number |
| 18:07.40 | randomparticle | i'm thinking of a mouse gamma function |
| 18:07.54 | randomparticle | analogous to tv encoding/decoding gamma |
| 18:09.03 | randomparticle | the problem with the conventional cursor system is that it does not take into account physiology |
| 18:09.39 | randomparticle | e.g., if your hand has a more limited range of movement front-to-back vs side-to-side, you might want to take that into consideration |
| 18:10.30 | randomparticle | tv gamma uses an efficient encoding system relative to human vision. my mouse gamma does the same for cursor movement relative to the "hand system" |
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| 22:59.47 | Abderraouf | hi all |
| 22:59.52 | Abderraouf | i need help |
| 23:01.04 | Abderraouf | who is hir? |
| 23:02.02 | Abderraouf | ok bye |
| 23:02.33 | allejo | lol less than 3 minutes here |
| 23:03.23 | allejo | this is more of a grammatical question, deprecated means that it still exists but it should not be used any more as it will be gone soon. what's the word for when it's just gone? |
| 23:26.40 | spldart | freedom |
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| 23:50.07 | JeffM | allejo, "removed" |
| 23:51.01 | allejo | JeffM, thank you i thought there was another word |
| 23:51.06 | JeffM | nope |
| 23:51.15 | JeffM | superanuated |