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00:12.45Snake12534Hi
00:13.08Snake12534Anyone there?
00:25.52short_circuitsometimes
00:26.03short_circuitstate your question and wait patiently for the answer
00:26.15short_circuitassuming it's an appropriate query for this channel
00:27.56Snake12534Ok
00:28.36Snake12534What channel is the most active?
00:30.05allejoThe channel that you just left
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00:59.39spldartI REALLY need to build a PC for this location :(
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17:48.45JeffM"Hi, we are apple, we have an update to your XCode IDE, please download the entire thing again!"
18:05.39spldartHeh
18:26.49joevanoit's only 1.6 GB what are you complaining about ;-)
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19:27.45JeffMjoevano, yeah who'd have thought we would find the day when MS has smaller updates then apple :)
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22:04.39JeffMblast007, they released it
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22:06.54I_Died_Onceindeed
22:07.07JeffMdo we really want to try this?
22:07.12JeffMthere seems to be some interest
22:11.52I_Died_Onceshould be compatible with blender
22:12.35JeffMit has it's own editors and I belive it can import models from blender
22:12.56I_Died_Onceyeah
22:13.04I_Died_Oncecollada
22:13.08JeffMmodels != maps
22:13.26JeffMit uses a terrain and bsp system
22:13.53I_Died_Oncewould have to import the passion and the apocalypse into blander and go from there
22:13.59I_Died_Once*blender
22:14.19JeffMyou would want to remake it
22:14.23JeffMfrom scratch
22:15.40I_Died_Oncewell, whatever you all decide to do, I would say one thing you got right with bzflag was the list server connecting to independant servers type concept
22:15.50JeffMhuh?
22:16.09JeffMyou mean a big list of servers that nobody can sort or use?
22:17.04I_Died_Oncewell, improve on it, sure
22:17.23JeffMdo you just mean the concept of letting other people host games?
22:17.32I_Died_Oncesure, more or less
22:17.35JeffMcus that's pretty standard
22:17.42JeffMeveryone else does a better job then we do
22:18.07JeffMTorque has master server and authentication support so it should be relativly easy to replicate what we have
22:18.21JeffMwhat I don't know is if it can do more then one game per port on a host
22:18.36I_Died_Oncei bet a bunch of new and interesting games will roll out soon
22:18.48JeffMhopefully
22:20.36I_Died_Oncei can see someone doing an open source version of twisted metal
22:20.39I_Died_Onceopen call of duty
22:20.55JeffMactualy those won't be made
22:21.01JeffMthey have high art costs
22:21.14JeffMand the art is the hardest part for a game to get right
22:21.30I_Died_Oncewhat would stop you from modeling up your own station wagon, putting some rail guns on the hood and make a game out of it?
22:21.55JeffMthe fact that it's a LOT more then a single station wagon ;)
22:22.18JeffMasset management is not easy, specialy across many different artists
22:22.38I_Died_Onceimport a blender '57 chevy model
22:22.55JeffMwhere do you get that model from? do you have rights to mod and redistirbute it?
22:23.16I_Died_Onceok, a generic car
22:23.19JeffMjust like our images, you can't just google search for things and steal them
22:23.24JeffMagain, where do you get that model?
22:23.36JeffMthere are not many open source 3d resources out there of decent quality
22:23.44JeffMit's not a trivial task
22:23.57JeffMit gets even harder if you want it to have a consistent look and feel
22:24.12JeffMthat's why the open source quake3 artset looks like crap
22:24.21JeffMit's just random models and textures from all over
22:24.39I_Died_Onceyeah i see your point
22:24.52I_Died_Oncegotta do all that if you want it to look decent and not pissed together
22:24.56JeffMthis is not the first game engine to go open source ;)
22:25.33JeffMit's probalby the most easy to mod in a long while, since it was a product that was designed to make other games and not be a game itself
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22:37.36JeffMwell it builds and works :)
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22:55.40I_Died_Oncethey got models you can buy and use in your games
22:57.35JeffMyeah
22:57.43JeffMthose are not open source
22:57.46JeffMbut they sell them
22:57.50JeffMas do many other people
23:00.35I_Died_Oncewithotu splitting hairs on the EULA... if I buy those items, i can use them in a game then, as i see fit, in my own game, right?
23:02.35JeffMyes and no
23:02.41JeffMthe term "use" has limits
23:03.04I_Died_Onceyeah i see your point about consistency
23:03.12JeffMyou can distribute them in playable formats, but nobody can edit them or make derived works, nor can they be relicensed to another license
23:03.25JeffMso people can not edit them
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23:04.04JeffMthat's one reason why I would like art assets to be in a different repository so it's clear they are licensed differently. different assets may have different licenses.
23:04.04I_Died_Oncejust looking around, even if one were to forget all the lisencing and grab all the cool stuff,cause theres some neat stuff on some of these free 3d model sites... throwing them all together in one game would look poor
23:04.23JeffMyep
23:04.24I_Died_Onceall different scales of size
23:04.51JeffMand it just isn't enough to have the same format, you have to get them all to work with the same animations and collisions and all kinds of stuff
23:05.03JeffMCOD has an art director and she has a huge staff
23:06.28I_Died_Onceimport the bzflag tank
23:07.31JeffMthe bzflag tank is a bunch of C code
23:08.56JeffMI have some models that are similar to it that I've made that we can use
23:09.02JeffMor an old export of the tank
23:09.34I_Died_Oncesingle player story mode!
23:09.52JeffMgo away
23:10.10JeffMbzflag's gameplay is too lame to support that
23:10.29I_Died_Oncecome up with a good tank-spiracy
23:10.40JeffMspend the time to make good leauge play
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23:14.41I_Died_Oncelet players choose between different tank models, each with their own strength and weakness;
23:14.54I_Died_Oncelike a tank that can jump real high but not move as fast
23:14.59JeffMthat is an option
23:15.26I_Died_Onceone that can drive faster but has less firepower
23:15.36I_Died_Oncestuffl ike that
23:15.44I_Died_Once*stuff like that
23:15.54JeffMfirepower indicates differences in damage
23:15.55I_Died_Onceits a new day, the possibilities are endless
23:16.19I_Died_Oncemaybe not, it could be bigger bullets that can cover a wider, or longer range
23:17.21I_Died_Oncea charge weapon, where the longer you hold the fire key, the bigger the shot
23:17.23I_Died_Oncelike megaman
23:17.47JeffMthe space it covered would be very small compared to aiming
23:17.54JeffMbut all things are possible.
23:50.47blast007JeffM: I've forked the code to my own github
23:51.05JeffMcool
23:51.21JeffMI doubt there will need to be any engine changes
23:51.40blast007seems it needs a bit of fixing to get working.  currently, PHP crashes when you try to create a new project (or at least a Full PhysX one)
23:51.58JeffMthe "full" one works fine
23:52.21blast007must be something with my setup, then, cuz that one crashes too
23:52.44JeffMI didn't get any projects for the physx ones
23:52.55JeffMyou on VC9 or 10?
23:53.20blast0072008, which I think is 9, right?
23:53.26JeffMyeah
23:53.29JeffMI'm on 2010
23:53.36blast007and I have 2010 express (C++ and C#)
23:53.54JeffMahh dunno how it'd work in express
23:54.09JeffMfor me it ran fine on my desktop and laptop
23:54.27blast007I do have a local install of PHP as well, so maybe it's doing something weird with that
23:54.37blast007I'll probably get a VM set up for this

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