| 00:22.44 | allejo | well I submitted a patch for bz_getIdleTime(int playerID), see if it gets approved or not |
| 00:25.03 | allejo | Constitution, an api function would be quicked than keeping track of it for each player since bzfs already does that with /idlestats like brad said |
| 00:25.08 | allejo | quicker* |
| 00:28.10 | allejo | brad, plugins can trigger sounds from whatever files that bz has. koth does it and i've done it before also for "capture" events |
| 00:29.18 | blast007 | allejo: but doesn't it crash on linux and/or osx? |
| 00:29.44 | blast007 | thinking it was OSX that mainly has issues with it |
| 00:31.04 | allejo | os x seems to run sounds fine from a 2.4.1 build from july this year for me at least |
| 00:31.08 | brad | if its only OSX thats fine ;) |
| 00:31.18 | allejo | ~lart brad |
| 00:31.18 | ibot | DoSes brad |
| 00:31.20 | brad | I'll just tell Constitution to get a PC |
| 00:52.51 | blast007 | lol |
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| 01:09.23 | allejo | how would i go about using strace or dtruss with debugging a plugin? |
| 01:11.59 | jeffm | build it debug |
| 01:13.10 | allejo | bzfs or the plugin? |
| 01:14.26 | jeffm | both probably |
| 01:14.44 | allejo | alright thanks |
| 01:45.53 | jeffm | *sigh* my classmates are so lost
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| 01:47.38 | allejo | "wait.. i thought we were in a class." that type of lost? |
| 01:48.24 | jeffm | they have no idea what the instructor is talking about because nobody studied or gets the subject |
| 01:50.08 | allejo | what's the subject? |
| 01:51.33 | jeffm | Introduction to Programing |
| 01:54.05 | Delusional | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.23 | allejo | you started going back to college i'm assuming because you need to do introduction classes, right? |
| 01:55.12 | jeffm | yeah, to get a degree |
| 01:56.10 | jeffm | the class is teaching java.. bleh |
| 01:56.38 | allejo | you must be loving that class then ;) |
| 01:56.56 | jeffm | the last 2 classes the instructor told me to go home early |
| 01:59.41 | allejo | i fail to understand why college programming courses usually start with teaching java |
| 02:00.24 | jeffm | because nobody uses pascal anymore and it is simpler then C |
| 02:03.04 | jeffm | and they won't use C# since there are few non windows tools to make GUIs |
| 02:06.05 | allejo | I would prefer C over Java but I guess Java is easier to learn when starting off |
| 02:06.34 | jeffm | many people have a hard time with numbers and java is a popular language in some places |
| 02:06.45 | jeffm | sorry pointers not nubmers |
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| 02:42.09 | Constitution | ~lart brad |
| 02:42.09 | ibot | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps brad |
| 02:42.54 | ashvala | ~killall brad |
| 02:43.12 | ashvala | heh, that doesn't work. :( |
| 02:47.39 | Constitution | allejo: my question was meant to start a discussion on the need for this type of API function... I would prefer that to the "just see if it gets accepted" mindset, which might not leave us with all of the needed information |
| 02:48.18 | allejo | ohhhh |
| 02:50.00 | allejo | getting the idle time of a user could be used for stuff such as being able to send warnings before you get idle kicked or to see how long a user has been inactive in order to decided whether they should be counted in a process |
| 02:50.14 | allejo | such as checking if they have been inactive for a fair ctf check |
| 02:51.46 | blast007 | I don't think it should be a function though |
| 02:51.52 | blast007 | it should be part of the player record |
| 02:52.11 | jeffm | if it's data we store and track then it should go with the player |
| 02:52.19 | jeffm | like all the other data, score, ping, etc... |
| 02:52.32 | allejo | so add it to a player record? |
| 02:52.45 | blast007 | add a V3 player record |
| 02:52.52 | jeffm | yep |
| 02:53.07 | jeffm | if you add it to the base it'll break existing plugins |
| 02:53.49 | allejo | should there still be a function (ie. bz_getPlayerLag() exists) |
| 02:54.02 | jeffm | I'm ok with having both |
| 02:54.25 | jeffm | there is precedent for it |
| 02:55.17 | blast007 | ah, didn't realize there was functions for lag and such |
| 02:55.25 | jeffm | many of the items have data |
| 02:55.27 | jeffm | but not all |
| 02:57.18 | allejo | with a v3 player record, is that the only thing that it will have? does v2 only have motto? |
| 02:57.32 | blast007 | yeah, V2 only adds the motto |
| 02:57.46 | jeffm | yeah, it may be best to add the function then wait on the record till we have more |
| 02:58.07 | jeffm | wishes we had reflection |
| 02:58.25 | allejo | should i work on a v3 or just leave the function? |
| 02:58.51 | jeffm | work on whatever you want |
| 02:59.55 | allejo | i usually work on whatever i want :P but you suggested to wait on the record until there is more, that's why i asked |
| 03:00.23 | jeffm | I'd just do the function for now |
| 03:00.47 | allejo | alright, i'll leave the patch i submitted as is then |
| 03:01.11 | jeffm | we should keep a list of things to add to the record |
| 03:02.03 | jeffm | or do ones with singles, depends on what others think |
| 03:02.30 | allejo | add it to the todo list? |
| 03:02.43 | jeffm | I'd say comments in the header and the todo |
| 03:34.37 | jeffm | and
. I was just told I don't have to take the test next week |
| 03:35.23 | allejo | your instructor must love that you're in his class. one less person to deal with |
| 03:35.54 | jeffm | exept that I tell him when his code won't compile. |
| 03:38.33 | allejo | does he get annoyed? |
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| 03:44.06 | jeffm | no |
| 03:44.14 | jeffm | he just wonders why I didn't get out of the class |
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| 13:16.58 | brad | anyone know of a script to download bz map thumbnails by any chance? :p |
| 13:25.37 | blast007 | there isn't any thumbnails to "download" |
| 13:25.53 | blast007 | you'd have to grab the world data, parse it, and render it yourself |
| 13:26.17 | blast007 | are you intending to do this from running servers, or from the original .bzw files? |
| 13:32.13 | brad | I meant like, an already existing parser/generator |
| 13:32.22 | brad | and ideally from running servers |
| 13:32.39 | brad | probably a little too much work though |
| 13:33.13 | blast007 | the servers only send a binary representation of the map |
| 13:33.36 | blast007 | I do not know if any standalone system for parsing that, much less rendering it |
| 13:33.41 | blast007 | of* |
| 13:34.45 | brad | ah well, thought I'd ask just in case :) |
| 13:34.47 | brad | thanks |
| 13:43.09 | blast007 | there was a thumbnail generator or two that read the BZW files, though |
| 13:43.35 | blast007 | but they were from the days of 1.7, so it wouldn't handle anything added after that |
| 13:43.40 | blast007 | so they* |
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| 14:54.21 | brad | is that still available anywhere do you know? |
| 15:00.12 | blast007 | I think both that I'm aware of are |
| 15:00.23 | blast007 | one was a PHP one I wrote, which should be on the forum somewhere. |
| 15:00.56 | blast007 | the other was part of PyBZFlag, but that one is a real pain to get working (requires specific versions of Python, PyGame, etc - and you have to manually fix a bug in PyGame) |
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| 15:03.11 | blast007 | http://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=1540 |
| 15:04.04 | blast007 | http://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=12182 |
| 16:00.00 | brad | nice :) |
| 16:08.51 | brad | works very well |
| 16:08.54 | brad | ~blast007++ |
| 16:12.10 | blast007 | the PHP one? |
| 16:16.59 | brad | yes, haven't gotten to PyBZFlag yet |
| 16:17.35 | blast007 | PyBZFlag isn't worth it |
| 16:17.50 | blast007 | was a pain to get working |
| 16:18.02 | blast007 | by some definitions of "working".. |
| 16:20.42 | brad | ah :P |
| 16:21.09 | brad | hasn't been touched for 9 years by the looks of it |
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| 18:01.05 | Constitution | looks like the BZBB is nearing its 10-year anniversary |
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| 18:04.53 | blast007 | I'd make a cake, but the cake is a lie |
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| 19:39.49 | BulletCatcher | Alas, Mrs. Catcher is way too busy to make tank cookies. |
| 19:41.32 | blast007 | I like how Dazzling links to his "new forums", and the domain he links to isn't even registered |
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| 20:04.48 | allejo | blast007, where? ill register his domain :P |
| 20:06.52 | blast007 | haha |
| 20:07.01 | blast007 | I was thinking of that myself, but nah :P |
| 20:07.07 | blast007 | he's not worth $9 |
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| 20:55.24 | joevano | hmm... someone did ;-) |
| 20:58.25 | joevano | now where to point it?? |
| 21:04.29 | I_Died_Once | point it to one of the shock sites |
| 21:04.35 | I_Died_Once | goatse |
| 21:05.02 | I_Died_Once | http://www.donotwatch.org/ |
| 21:05.17 | I_Died_Once | don't click that link |
| 21:05.28 | I_Died_Once | but point it there |
| 21:25.28 | joevano | while that would be funny it wouldn't be very safe for our kiddies |
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| 22:16.28 | spldart | Did you really just link that in #bzflag?!? |
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| 22:45.32 | trepan | Constitution: and to celebrate the 10 year anniversary ... euthanasia? |
| 22:59.42 | spldart | Woah! I didn't realize I had been here for most of bzflag's life :~/ |
| 23:01.03 | spldart | oh wait... bzbb |
| 23:01.04 | spldart | my bad |
| 23:01.47 | spldart | buys a bunch of toilet paper to roll BZBB |
| 23:02.19 | I_Died_Once | I dunno, theres worse things you can do in life than playing a tank game for a few years |
| 23:02.24 | I_Died_Once | at least we're not robbing banks |
| 23:02.29 | I_Died_Once | stealing people's pensions |
| 23:02.46 | spldart | I was considering turning to a life of crime. |
| 23:02.56 | spldart | Honest work just doesn't pay off anymore |
| 23:03.05 | I_Died_Once | I don't think anyone has gotten rich from or as a product of the game |
| 23:03.52 | I_Died_Once | at least we're not manufactoring and selling meth and crack to children |
| 23:04.48 | I_Died_Once | or making/distrubitng malware |
| 23:05.47 | spldart | Stop.... Your giving me ideas ;) |
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| 23:16.04 | delusional_ | i just got here.. what did i miss? is today the 10 year day? |
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| 23:51.46 | BulletCatcher | I don't know what happened to #1, but Fiberchunks registered BZBB #2 on 2 December 2002. |
| 23:51.48 | BulletCatcher | It will be more than 6 weeks until the BZBB 10th anniversary. |
| 23:53.01 | BulletCatcher | That gives us time to plan an appropriate party, or at least a big match. |
| 23:57.12 | delusional_ | hmm, i have plans for 12-21 |
| 23:58.15 | BulletCatcher | Having your life extinguished along with the rest of us? |
| 23:59.27 | delusional_ | oh, it's just the end of the universe, nothing to worry about |