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| 19:05.13 | blast007 | JeffM: Wonder what someone would have to do to satasify the Debian Free Software Guidelines if they oil painted a canvas and photographed it to a GPL Licensed JPEG. Would sending in the original canvas cover the "source", or would they also have to send in the brushes, paint, and hands that were used to paint it? ;) |
| 19:05.31 | blast007 | satisfy* |
| 19:05.56 | JeffM | heh |
| 19:06.09 | JeffM | yeah GPL just dosn't work for media |
| 19:06.25 | JeffM | I've pondered asking tim if we could change all our assets to CCBy |
| 19:06.34 | JeffM | he is the only one who can relicense it |
| 19:07.04 | JeffM | the only way for me or you to do it is to redraw evertything from scratch |
| 19:07.14 | JeffM | and re-record all the sounds |
| 19:07.26 | blast007 | cracks his knuckles and whips out MSPaint |
| 19:07.37 | JeffM | want to come over and record me shooting a car door with a slug round? |
| 19:07.56 | JeffM | my .22 makes an awesome rico sound |
| 19:08.26 | blast007 | heh |
| 19:08.33 | JeffM | I don't mind sending Tim the email if you agree with going CCBy |
| 19:09.12 | blast007 | well, my comment above wasn't directly targeting us |
| 19:09.24 | blast007 | someone else on #debian-games was asking about their project that was GPL licensed ;) |
| 19:10.27 | blast007 | though I'd be just fine with the assets going CC-BY |
| 19:11.42 | blast007 | I imagine some of the things we have are from public domain sources, like some of our sounds |
| 19:12.11 | blast007 | no real way of knowing though |
| 19:13.45 | JeffM | he's currently claiming copyright and the ability to GPL them, that means that he would have the right to CC them |
| 19:13.51 | JeffM | if he dosn't it's his head :) |
| 19:14.51 | blast007 | right, not saying that. just thinking out loud. ;) |
| 19:18.32 | blast007 | Am I just reading/parsing something wrong, or are the DejaVu fonts not actually Free Software? http://dejavu-fonts.org/wiki/index.php?title=License "The Font Software may be sold as part of a larger software package but no copy of one or more of the Font Software typefaces may be sold by itself." |
| 19:18.57 | blast007 | seems like a restriction on commercial use |
| 19:19.44 | JeffM | it is a minor restriction |
| 19:19.48 | JeffM | you can't sell JUST the font |
| 19:19.57 | JeffM | but you can sell a software package that contains the font |
| 19:20.09 | JeffM | so you can't put that font up in a font store ;) |
| 19:20.20 | JeffM | but you can put it as part of a collection of fonts and sell that |
| 19:20.35 | JeffM | they just don't want someone reselling the font as a font |
| 19:20.49 | JeffM | email to tim sent |
| 19:24.22 | blast007 | I still think that such a restriction makes it proprietary, not Free |
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| 20:35.45 | JeffM | blast007, probalby, but for most distros it's free enough, it won't run into any problems with the expected uses of the distro, people can still derive, still repackage and reuse as a Distro |
| 20:35.56 | JeffM | but yeah if you got super strict it would probably fail |
| 20:36.03 | blast007 | yeah, seems like it passes the DFSG |
| 20:36.15 | blast007 | "The license of a Debian component may not restrict any party from selling or giving away the software as a component of an aggregate software distribution containing programs from several different sources." |
| 20:54.00 | JeffM | yeah otherwise debian could not be distributed and repackaged like it is |
| 20:54.10 | JeffM | that makes it so that ubuntu can exist :) |
| 22:50.41 | JeffM | blast007, tim was fine with chaging the assets to CCBy, I don't think he coppied you |
| 22:55.05 | blast007 | JeffM: could you forward me the response so I have it as well? |
| 23:00.23 | JeffM | ker-sent |
| 23:03.46 | blast007 | thx |
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| 23:04.44 | JeffM | sure |
| 23:08.41 | JeffM | thinks that blast may be onto his ploy to impersonate Tim |
| 23:09.06 | JeffM | umm yeah he totaly said we could change the code style too and use C# |
| 23:09.06 | JeffM | yeah |
| 23:09.17 | blast007 | lol |
| 23:09.26 | JeffM | and he said linux sux |
| 23:10.50 | JeffM | I wonder if we have to do anything extra for debianness if we have 2 licenses |
| 23:11.37 | JeffM | and do we change copying to say that it's for everything NOT in /data or an image |
| 23:11.45 | JeffM | or do we put a seperate license in data |
| 23:11.55 | JeffM | we do have seperate licenses in src/other |
| 23:15.01 | blast007 | for debian, they already split the data into a separate package |
| 23:15.20 | JeffM | k |
| 23:15.28 | JeffM | so then just a license there I guess |
| 23:18.22 | JeffM | so we want CC-BY-SA right? |
| 23:18.51 | JeffM | that makes derived ones also have to be shared and derivable like LGPL |
| 23:32.59 | blast007 | yep, that's the one I'm leaning torwards as well |