| 00:02.43 | Constitution | server option sounds viable |
| 00:03.21 | JeffM | well it sounds like you are saying that you ether want to delay the behavor so it can be evaled or give people a choice to not use it |
| 00:03.36 | JeffM | all that adds up to option not new release :) |
| 00:09.12 | I_Died_Once | -noSelfKills |
| 00:09.54 | JeffM | we should change your bzbb title to "patron saint of pray and spray" |
| 00:10.07 | I_Died_Once | I'll take it |
| 00:10.32 | I_Died_Once | though it should be spray THEN pray |
| 00:11.21 | JeffM | different strokes for different folks ;) |
| 00:11.31 | I_Died_Once | :eek: |
| 00:11.41 | I_Died_Once | oops, those don't work here |
| 00:12.00 | JeffM | yeah this isn't your phone ;) |
| 00:12.23 | I_Died_Once | ponders a joke about butt dialing |
| 00:14.28 | I_Died_Once | if y'all are talking about proto breaking, I'm trying to remember... was something about the API and rabbit hunt I wanted to throw in, but can't recall exactly what it was right now |
| 00:14.49 | JeffM | I don't think we should break |
| 00:14.57 | JeffM | specialy when we can barely fix bugs |
| 00:15.17 | I_Died_Once | does not disagree |
| 00:15.59 | JeffM | why do we still need the useless flag? |
| 00:16.56 | Constitution | did we ever? |
| 00:17.20 | JeffM | it used to be what people hung custom flag actions on |
| 00:17.26 | JeffM | but now we have custom flags |
| 00:18.50 | I_Died_Once | we use the useless flag |
| 00:19.05 | I_Died_Once | it can be the biggest point maker if done correctly |
| 00:19.29 | JeffM | you can implmenent it in a plugin |
| 00:19.38 | JeffM | it dosnt' need to be a core type is my point |
| 00:19.57 | JeffM | you could make a custom flag called "big money" |
| 00:20.11 | I_Died_Once | http://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=17916#p163962 |
| 00:20.46 | JeffM | ok, keep doing that just have it add a custom flag called "useless" :) |
| 00:20.56 | Constitution | but it's tradition! |
| 00:21.08 | I_Died_Once | wouldn't taking that out break proto? |
| 00:21.23 | JeffM | not really |
| 00:21.28 | JeffM | it's just no server would send it |
| 00:21.41 | JeffM | and they already support custom flag names |
| 00:23.32 | I_Died_Once | a couple of non-points - if proto is broken, i'd like to see the ability to track other team's team flags, the use of custom colors on flags "the black flag!" |
| 00:24.25 | JeffM | write em up as feature requests |
| 00:24.50 | I_Died_Once | when i say track other team's team flags, I mean where you can opt to have the triangle in the HUD |
| 00:24.58 | JeffM | I know what you mean |
| 00:25.08 | JeffM | the server should be able to arbitrarly specificy any waypoint |
| 00:25.10 | JeffM | or any object |
| 00:25.22 | JeffM | that way it can be used for that, and tutorials |
| 00:26.12 | I_Died_Once | post it to the enhancement section of bzbb? |
| 00:26.26 | JeffM | god no |
| 00:26.37 | JeffM | as a feature enhancment on the SF feature enhancment tracker |
| 00:26.47 | I_Died_Once | gotcha |
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| 01:13.01 | JeffM | khonkhortisan, did my comments make sense? |
| 01:15.01 | khonkhortisan | yeah I completely agree on the play testing |
| 01:15.12 | JeffM | k |
| 01:15.27 | JeffM | we don't know when we will break protocoll but if the pacth is there it won't get lost |
| 01:16.10 | khonkhortisan | I was only able to playtest it with -solo so far |
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| 01:19.40 | JeffM | I added a link to the tracker item to the 2.6 roadmap page so it won't be forgoten |
| 01:20.14 | khonkhortisan | I made the -noSelfKills also be postponed |
| 01:20.23 | JeffM | cool |
| 01:20.26 | JeffM | yeah it's in the same boat |
| 01:21.33 | khonkhortisan | it's not _quite_ wings instead of jumping |
| 01:21.59 | JeffM | they use the same controls, eveyrone would flap instead of jump, so it has to be wings instead of jump ;) |
| 01:22.13 | khonkhortisan | it makes it sound like jumping is going away |
| 01:22.21 | JeffM | ahh |
| 01:22.32 | JeffM | well what it is, is what "jump mode" are you in |
| 01:22.44 | JeffM | as an option it is mutualy exclusive with jump |
| 01:22.49 | khonkhortisan | no jumping | jumping | wings |
| 01:22.57 | JeffM | ityeah |
| 01:23.18 | JeffM | and the wings flag can exist in the first 2, and the jump flag in the first only |
| 01:23.45 | khonkhortisan | the radar blur bug is partially my fault |
| 01:24.11 | JeffM | perhaps we sould make it be like -j jump and -j wings |
| 01:24.26 | JeffM | then it'll be clear to the server owners what they are defnining |
| 01:24.40 | khonkhortisan | huh. Where "-j" is the same as "-j jump"? |
| 01:24.49 | JeffM | or -j is invalid |
| 01:25.02 | JeffM | it's a proto break we can slightly change how some command line options work |
| 01:25.03 | khonkhortisan | that would break server scripts |
| 01:25.07 | JeffM | so? |
| 01:25.18 | JeffM | it happens every so often |
| 01:25.43 | JeffM | but yes if it was that big of a deal then -j could be legacy definition for -j jump |
| 01:25.50 | khonkhortisan | so you are going further than I am |
| 01:26.06 | JeffM | thats part of evaluating a patch for inclusion in the mainline |
| 01:26.09 | khonkhortisan | it's not important to me to keep it as -w |
| 01:26.22 | JeffM | take the idea and make it work as best as posible for the future :) |
| 02:02.17 | khonkhortisan | Where would I find customflag.so if I didn't run make install? |
| 02:02.45 | JeffM | in a hidden folder in the dir of the plugin |
| 02:03.21 | khonkhortisan | I always expect hidden folders to be in my home directory |
| 02:03.34 | khonkhortisan | it catches me off-guard when they're elsewhere |
| 02:03.35 | JeffM | they can be anywhere |
| 02:17.04 | allejo | khonkhortisan bzflag/plugins/customflag/.libs/customflag.so |
| 02:17.15 | khonkhortisan | yeah I'm using that one |
| 02:24.43 | khonkhortisan | I think zones DO support custom flags. |
| 02:25.05 | khonkhortisan | At least, in svn. |
| 02:25.23 | I_Died_Once | they do, we was doing some testing and put the Death Blossom flag in the center |
| 02:25.26 | I_Died_Once | worked |
| 02:30.44 | khonkhortisan | Should I close that bug as worksforme? |
| 02:34.00 | JeffM | SURE |
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| 03:21.20 | kierra | any badgerking admins here, swiss boy is on bzbg badgerking map |
| 03:22.06 | kierra | as yodadily |
| 03:26.37 | kierra | gone |
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| 04:10.02 | khonkhortisan | vertical velocity is the closest we are ever going to get to turrets |
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| 04:57.05 | khonkhortisan | If it's half-broke, break it all the way so you get a new one |
| 04:57.16 | khonkhortisan | goes to reflash his router |
| 05:04.09 | jcp | ~khonkhortisan++ |
| 05:25.44 | blast007 | Constitution: isn't there already native OS X platform support sans SDL? (re: your "write up non-SDL mac platform support") |
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| 11:47.38 | Constitution | blast007: yes, Carbon only, which is a deprecated API, and our code doesn't have all the features (no fullscreen toggle, for one), plus I gather the code is about the same quality as the list server code is |
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| 14:14.45 | blast007 | ah |
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| 19:38.24 | Chestal | the -publickey in 2.4, is it bound to the server name/string or to the ip? |
| 19:46.30 | mdskpr | ip |
| 19:48.20 | mdskpr | or rather server hostname |
| 19:48.32 | Chestal | now I'm confused :-) |
| 19:49.50 | mdskpr | there: http://wiki.bzflag.org/ServerAuthentication |
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| 20:05.49 | Chestal | mdskpr: yes, thanks, I read that. I guess it tells me that it#sbound to whatever I use, it is not 100% clear |
| 20:06.41 | Chestal | i.e. if I use the host name I used for generatign the key with -publicaddr, the IP can change without a problem |
| 20:06.50 | Chestal | but if I switch to another CNAME, I need a new key |
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| 20:17.42 | mdskpr | it says that it is bound to that server machine only, so as long as all the CNAMEs are attached to that IP, the same key should work |
| 20:22.00 | Chestal | well, I guess I can just try and see, after all it#s not hard to generate new keys |
| 20:34.49 | blast007 | Chestal: it's bound to whatever you give the webpage. If you provide an IP, it's tied to that IP. If you give it a hostname, it's bound to that hostname. |
| 20:35.16 | blast007 | can't recall if giving it an IP lets you use that key for any hostnames that resolve to that IP, though.. |
| 20:36.54 | brad | it does, blast |
| 20:37.04 | brad | that's what I do, just give IP and use for multiple hostnames |
| 20:37.18 | brad | at least, I *think* I do that ;) |
| 20:37.30 | Chestal | ah, hmm. not even sure what the best option would be for me |
| 20:37.52 | brad | if you only have one IP, give that ^^ |
| 20:38.36 | blast007 | seems like it would even let you use the same key for multiple hostnames as long as they all resolve to the same IP.. |
| 20:39.02 | blast007 | which seems like an oversight to me, but whatever ;) |
| 20:39.35 | brad | why an oversight? |
| 20:39.50 | brad | thought it was a feature :D |
| 20:40.29 | blast007 | well, if I let someone else host bzfs from my server, I might not want them using bzexcess.com |
| 20:40.42 | blast007 | I've just always made a new key per hostname I used |
| 20:40.49 | brad | then...ask them not to use it xD |
| 20:41.00 | blast007 | :P |
| 20:41.25 | brad | if they had ssh, there are more impotrant things to worry about |
| 20:41.33 | brad | if a web-based thing, you can limit what hostnames they use |
| 20:41.38 | blast007 | like securing my cheese supply |
| 20:41.41 | brad | heh |
| 20:51.52 | Toybox_ | blast007, it's not an oversight, I did that for a reason, so owners with static IPs can only have a single key for all servers |
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| 20:52.11 | blast007 | JeffM: one key for multiple hostnames? |
| 20:52.20 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:52.24 | blast007 | k |
| 20:52.31 | JeffM | if you have a static IP but multiple hosts use the IP |
| 20:52.39 | JeffM | if you are dynamic all you can use is the host |
| 20:53.28 | JeffM | I didn't want to make it hard for people with static IPs, since the only reason for the key is for us to know who owns a server, and if you have a static IP then you must own the server on it ;) |
| 20:53.31 | blast007 | what I mean is that a key tied to a certain hostname can be used for a server hosting with a different hostname |
| 20:53.40 | JeffM | hmm |
| 20:53.53 | blast007 | so a key for bzexcess.com could be used for somethingelse.com if their IPs resolve to the same IP |
| 20:53.59 | JeffM | yeah that's not right |
| 20:54.10 | blast007 | since it only checks the resolved IP of the key versus the $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'] |
| 20:54.11 | JeffM | it should only do multiple hosts if the IP is specified |
| 20:54.17 | JeffM | hmm |
| 20:54.24 | JeffM | yeah that wasn't the intent |
| 20:54.29 | JeffM | not sure if it's a horrible thing or not |
| 20:54.57 | JeffM | I don't think it can be exploiteed any more then providing the IP |
| 20:55.10 | blast007 | yeah, not a big deal |
| 20:55.25 | JeffM | just a result of the implementation, oh well |
| 20:55.33 | blast007 | worst someone could do is use a different hostname that points to that server |
| 20:55.44 | JeffM | and they can do that if they specify an IP too |
| 20:55.48 | JeffM | so no big whup |
| 20:56.04 | blast007 | well, with the IP, the key would have to be shared with everyone |
| 20:56.22 | blast007 | this would just need *a* key, not *the* key |
| 20:56.27 | JeffM | true |
| 20:56.33 | blast007 | still not a big deal |
| 20:56.46 | JeffM | yeah we could have mutliple keys to the same IP |
| 20:56.48 | JeffM | I see that now |
| 20:56.56 | JeffM | the only reason for having hostname was for dynamics |
| 20:57.33 | JeffM | I wonder how many hosts are not static |
| 20:57.50 | blast007 | I could simplify some of my stuff now since I never really looked at how it was done.. thought using the IP would not let me use hostnames, so now I could just replace my several keys with a single key ;) |
| 20:58.16 | JeffM | ahh |
| 20:58.27 | JeffM | yeah the IP is suposed to let you use anything that resolves to it |
| 20:58.35 | JeffM | the hostname was suposed to be a hostname only match |
| 20:59.08 | JeffM | I had you in mind with the IP thing, I figured you'd use one IP per host machine |
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| 21:05.20 | Guest450 | hallo :) |
| 21:05.25 | JeffM | hello |
| 21:06.36 | Guest450 | lebt bzflag noch ? |
| 21:06.45 | Guest450 | habe das seit nem jahr nciht mehr gespeilt glaube ich |
| 21:07.29 | Guest450 | is bzflag living at the moment ? wasnt playing it for 1 year |
| 21:07.41 | JeffM | it's about the same as last year |
| 21:07.47 | JeffM | probably a little slower |
| 21:07.50 | JeffM | not much has changed |
| 21:07.54 | Guest450 | ok thx |
| 21:07.55 | Guest450 | :) |
| 21:08.04 | Chestal | I returned to the game, so it#s more alive than 1 year ago ;-) |
| 21:08.11 | Guest450 | :D |
| 21:08.18 | JeffM | heh |
| 22:10.46 | khonkhortisan | Can someone test my server please? |
| 22:13.32 | khonkhortisan | I have my port forwarded far enough that wireshark can see an incoming connection |
| 22:16.05 | brad | udp and tcp? |
| 22:16.20 | khonkhortisan | yeah both on the router and firewall 76.121.156.73:5154 |
| 22:16.41 | brad | start bzfs with multiple -d's and see if you get connections from outside ^^ |
| 22:16.46 | khonkhortisan | I can't connect to it myself, it might be because I'm trying to use the public ip from the private |
| 22:16.52 | brad | ahh |
| 22:17.01 | brad | Ill check |
| 22:17.30 | brad | doesn't work |
| 22:17.36 | khonkhortisan | okay |
| 22:17.55 | JeffM | yeah never gets accep[ted |
| 22:18.23 | khonkhortisan | when I do a port scan I get timed out instead of the regular closed |
| 22:18.49 | JeffM | then your server PC is not responding on the port |
| 22:19.07 | khonkhortisan | I can see the connections in wireshark though |
| 22:19.27 | JeffM | ok, still dosn't mean the server PC is listening on that port ;) |
| 22:20.01 | khonkhortisan | I see only TCP packets getting in |
| 22:20.13 | JeffM | you will get a connection with only TCP |
| 22:20.24 | JeffM | if no UDP then it won't send the first movement command |
| 22:20.36 | JeffM | but a client would connect |
| 22:21.09 | brad | I just got error connecting to server |
| 22:21.17 | brad | didn't start to join at all |
| 22:21.28 | JeffM | yeah that's a normal timeout |
| 22:21.31 | brad | does your ISP allow hosting servers? |
| 22:21.50 | JeffM | if he sees the packets it must |
| 22:21.53 | khonkhortisan | I don't know, but I don't think that's where the problem is |
| 22:22.15 | brad | nmap shows 5154 as filtered |
| 22:22.26 | khonkhortisan | what does that mean? |
| 22:22.54 | brad | http://nmap.org/book/man-port-scanning-basics.html |
| 22:23.10 | JeffM | what router do you have? |
| 22:24.15 | blast007 | and how are you port scanning? are you scanning from outside the network, or inside? |
| 22:24.25 | khonkhortisan | linksys OpenWrt Backfire 10.03.1... |
| 22:24.28 | khonkhortisan | from outside |
| 22:24.52 | khonkhortisan | Linksys WRT54G/GS/GL OpenWrt Backfire 10.03.1 / LuCI 0.10.0 Release (0.10.0) |
| 22:25.16 | JeffM | so you have forwarded 5154 TCP and UDP to your server PC |
| 22:25.25 | JeffM | does the server PC have a firewall? |
| 22:25.30 | khonkhortisan | yes |
| 22:25.38 | JeffM | did you open those ports on it? |
| 22:25.47 | khonkhortisan | I have attempted to forward on both the router and firewall |
| 22:25.58 | JeffM | you don't forward on the firewal |
| 22:26.04 | JeffM | you open them on the firewal |
| 22:26.28 | JeffM | forwarding is on the router to forward from your WAN IP to your LAN IP behind your NAT |
| 22:26.29 | khonkhortisan | on the firewall I have 192.168.1.1 TCP/UDP destination 5154 source 5154 |
| 22:26.39 | khonkhortisan | two rules, one for TCP one for UDP |
| 22:26.59 | JeffM | and how did you run bzfs? |
| 22:27.04 | khonkhortisan | bzfs |
| 22:27.11 | JeffM | that should do it :) |
| 22:27.11 | blast007 | JeffM: iptables may be used for forwarding |
| 22:27.14 | JeffM | ahh |
| 22:27.50 | JeffM | sounds like you did all the steps |
| 22:28.04 | JeffM | you won't see any UDP packets untill someone actualy connects |
| 22:28.18 | JeffM | if you see TCP packets on the machine then something is preventing them from getting to bzfs |
| 22:28.26 | khonkhortisan | now that I reflashed my router so it has the extra space to change settings, I know it is now possible to get it working. |
| 22:28.32 | JeffM | and that is usualy the firewal |
| 22:28.56 | JeffM | the first packet in will be BZFLAG/r/n |
| 22:32.34 | khonkhortisan | when I connect to my lan ip, I get the first packet UDP in blue, the rest of the packets TCP in green. When I use my public ip, I get three TCP packets in gray |
| 22:32.40 | khonkhortisan | not that the colors tell you anything |
| 22:34.40 | khonkhortisan | try it now, I removed the source port part of the firewall hole |
| 22:35.02 | khonkhortisan | 76.121.156.73:5154 |
| 22:36.17 | khonkhortisan | I can get in through my public ip |
| 22:38.12 | khonkhortisan | anyone? |
| 22:38.30 | JeffM | nope |
| 22:38.34 | JeffM | fails right away |
| 22:38.36 | khonkhortisan | aw |
| 22:45.24 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: when you port scanned.. did you actually test from outside, or were you just pointing nmap at your public IP? |
| 22:45.34 | khonkhortisan | http://www.whatsmyip.org/port-scanner/ |
| 22:45.50 | khonkhortisan | I did a redirection instead of a rule on the router :) |
| 22:46.51 | blast007 | maybe you should use a easier firmware for your router |
| 22:47.02 | blast007 | like the tomato firmware |
| 22:47.30 | khonkhortisan | it didn't tell me how long I had to not unplug the router for when I flashed it |
| 22:48.10 | khonkhortisan | oh! |
| 22:48.26 | khonkhortisan | if I shut off my pc firewall, the scanner says open instead of timeout |
| 22:51.33 | khonkhortisan | there. Instead of using my router as the host address, I used 0/0 and now it still says open when the firewall is up |
| 22:52.28 | khonkhortisan | Peer 204.11.33.59 connection timeout with data "" <-- what bzfs says after a successful port check |
| 22:53.44 | khonkhortisan | hello bzadmin |
| 22:53.44 | JeffM | I connected |
| 22:55.24 | khonkhortisan | yay! |
| 22:57.08 | khonkhortisan | good, I have to advertise to get in the list |
| 22:57.17 | JeffM | you have to use -public |
| 22:57.20 | JeffM | and have a key |
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| 23:24.35 | khonkhortisan | This is what you get if you use automatic documentation http://192.168.1.2/bzflag |
| 23:24.45 | khonkhortisan | whoops |
| 23:25.32 | khonkhortisan | wait on that |
| 23:33.22 | blast007 | points khonkhortisan to http://www.comcast.com/Corporate/Customers/Policies/HighSpeedInternetAUP.html |
| 23:34.02 | blast007 | fifth bullet point of Technical restrictions ;) |
| 23:36.24 | khonkhortisan | what would I have to do to be "legal |
| 23:36.27 | khonkhortisan | "? |
| 23:36.48 | khonkhortisan | buy a different internet plan? |
| 23:43.37 | *** part/#bzflag ``Erik (~erik@pool-74-103-121-45.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) |
| 23:46.03 | blast007 | *probably* not an issue, but something to keep in mind :P |
| 23:47.06 | blast007 | though they do probably prevent hosting on port 80 |
| 23:48.18 | khonkhortisan | I think they do |
| 23:48.44 | khonkhortisan | If I ran a server that was on all the time and popular, they would care |
| 23:50.38 | khonkhortisan | Time to do something else, I've accomplished enough today |
| 23:54.57 | alezakos | I see you joined Easy's |