| 00:15.44 | khonkhortisan | well, I compiled mingw32-bzflag, but it's native |
| 00:21.44 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: cross compiling involves setting up a .. surprise! .. cross compiler |
| 00:22.01 | blast007 | you don't just compile with your existing build toolchain |
| 00:22.08 | khonkhortisan | I saw it said that |
| 00:23.56 | JeffM | I'll build you one in like an hour |
| 00:24.01 | JeffM | then do math homework |
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| 01:07.00 | khonkhortisan | xorg went over 100% cpu |
| 01:07.35 | JeffM | welcome to open source:) |
| 01:44.33 | Detrimental | open source is the way to go |
| 01:44.58 | Detrimental | if you like cinnamon de try cinnarch - this is viper on bz btw |
| 01:47.53 | kierra | ty blast007 |
| 01:48.06 | kierra | hi Detrimental |
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| 01:56.31 | jeffm | khonkhortisan, here is your build http://opencombat.invertedpolarity.com/code/bz/bzflag-2.4.3-WINGS_32Bit.exe |
| 01:58.10 | Detrimental | hi kierra |
| 01:58.34 | khonkhortisan | huh, has an installer |
| 01:58.39 | khonkhortisan | cool |
| 01:59.03 | jeffm | khonkhortisan, yeah that's what our project builds for releases |
| 01:59.10 | jeffm | what else would you expect? |
| 01:59.31 | khonkhortisan | a folder |
| 01:59.44 | Detrimental | anyone know where a copy of the two castles might be? |
| 01:59.45 | jeffm | why would I make you download a folder? |
| 01:59.56 | khonkhortisan | so that I don't have to install |
| 02:00.06 | jeffm | it's windows, you can't run it |
| 02:02.22 | jeffm | if you want testers then it's best to give them what they know and we generally only release installers |
| 02:02.42 | khonkhortisan | I have it on my web server now. |
| 02:02.46 | jeffm | k |
| 02:02.54 | khonkhortisan | How should I go about getting testers? |
| 02:03.00 | jeffm | asking nicely |
| 02:03.09 | jeffm | offering money |
| 02:03.13 | jeffm | or candy |
| 02:04.41 | Detrimental | tester for what? |
| 02:05.15 | khonkhortisan | for a game mode where you can fly while holding a flag |
| 02:05.21 | jeffm | he has a change to bzflag that gives people wings all the time |
| 02:05.37 | jeffm | it's not comparable with existing clients so he's off on a fork |
| 02:05.53 | Detrimental | i see |
| 02:05.59 | khonkhortisan | ara->ata |
| 02:06.54 | Detrimental | ahh.. found the two castles in a zip on the forums |
| 02:07.02 | jeffm | gotta love apple's autocomplete |
| 02:07.11 | khonkhortisan | if anyone tries it my server is the only one in the list |
| 02:07.36 | khonkhortisan | didn't know you could get that in irc |
| 02:07.55 | Detrimental | and you have a specifily modded client for download or the source? |
| 02:07.57 | jeffm | sure just use a native mac IRC client |
| 02:08.03 | khonkhortisan | both |
| 02:08.09 | khonkhortisan | http://76.121.156.73/bzflag/builds/ |
| 02:08.11 | jeffm | yeah I built him an installer for it for windows |
| 02:08.37 | khonkhortisan | thanks for that |
| 02:08.49 | jeffm | sure |
| 02:09.04 | jeffm | now I get to do RSA encryption and UPC Checksums by hand :) |
| 02:09.08 | Detrimental | if you have the source can you post it as well? |
| 02:09.22 | khonkhortisan | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3599568&group_id=3248&atid=353248 |
| 02:09.27 | Detrimental | ty |
| 02:09.51 | jeffm | that patch needs a small mod, changing the protocol version to 9999 |
| 02:10.17 | Detrimental | ok |
| 02:10.36 | khonkhortisan | and I think BU tanks are weak this way |
| 02:10.43 | jeffm | khonkhortisan, you may want to post a corrected patch to your site |
| 02:10.55 | khonkhortisan | oh, okay |
| 02:11.06 | jeffm | wings was a bad idea IMHO, no design went into it |
| 02:11.16 | Detrimental | anyone know about the blender tool for making maps? or wings3d just if they have used eather and what there thoughts on it are. |
| 02:11.31 | jeffm | the blender stuff is out of date |
| 02:12.01 | jeffm | the wings3d export is built into the app |
| 02:12.09 | Detrimental | yea i was looking for something up to date dosnt seem to be anything |
| 02:12.09 | jeffm | but it just exports a mesh, not really a full map |
| 02:12.14 | jeffm | there isn't |
| 02:12.28 | jeffm | there is bzworkbench that is the thing we started |
| 02:12.32 | blast007 | the most up to date editor is whatever text editor you happen to prefer |
| 02:12.37 | jeffm | but it's not finished and only somewhat useful |
| 02:12.45 | jeffm | yeah most people do it by hand with some input from tools |
| 02:12.53 | Detrimental | i made the two castles with bzedit before i had any sort of computer skills |
| 02:13.14 | khonkhortisan | if you don't do it by hand, your teleporters might not work because of missing a simple "link from * to * end" |
| 02:13.14 | jeffm | my condolences that you had to use that crappy app |
| 02:13.19 | Detrimental | i know that looks like what im going to do |
| 02:13.37 | Detrimental | a decent map was made with it so it wasnt to bad |
| 02:13.37 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: huh? |
| 02:13.42 | Detrimental | :) |
| 02:13.46 | jeffm | oh it's bad, trust me |
| 02:13.49 | khonkhortisan | da's map was missing that |
| 02:13.59 | jeffm | the author was a fool who did't even have a CS degree |
| 02:14.05 | Detrimental | lol |
| 02:14.16 | Detrimental | im starting school the 14th for cs |
| 02:14.29 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: I don't get what you're talking about.. why would you want randomized teleporters? |
| 02:14.42 | Detrimental | pretty excited. |
| 02:14.46 | khonkhortisan | it's better than teleporter-looking waterfalls |
| 02:14.51 | blast007 | ? |
| 02:14.59 | khonkhortisan | what's the point of a teleporter if you just go straight through? |
| 02:15.07 | jeffm | is doing is math homework |
| 02:15.10 | blast007 | that's not the solution to that problem though |
| 02:15.14 | khonkhortisan | like you said you would |
| 02:15.35 | blast007 | if he used bzedit, he just needs to FIX the teleporters/links, not randomize the links |
| 02:15.42 | jeffm | yep finishing up modulous |
| 02:15.53 | jeffm | yeah the link code changed after I finished the ap |
| 02:16.06 | blast007 | think just removing the teleporter names fixes it |
| 02:16.49 | khonkhortisan | well that's really simple |
| 02:17.30 | jeffm | which memory locations are assignd by the function h(k)= k mod 97 to the records of insurance company customers with these Social Security numbers? A) 034567981 |
| 02:18.01 | jeffm | needs a better calculator |
| 02:18.12 | khonkhortisan | that's a good question |
| 02:20.59 | jeffm | it's not hard, you just mod by 97 then shift if it's taken |
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| 03:04.18 | Constitution | ~khonkhortisan++ |
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| 03:41.39 | jeffm | ok doing RSA encoding by hand is a pain in the ass |
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| 03:46.01 | jcp | jeffm: How "by hand" is by hand? |
| 03:46.08 | jcp | Do you have a calculator or just pen/paper? |
| 03:49.09 | jeffm | calculator for some |
| 03:49.21 | jeffm | tho I have to do the modular expansion to compute the big remainders |
| 03:50.00 | jeffm | so pretty close to hand with out having to do big squares :) |
| 03:50.07 | jeffm | big exponents I mean |
| 03:50.38 | jeffm | like 2015 to the 17th mod 3233 |
| 03:53.46 | jcp | Oh good heavens |
| 03:53.49 | jcp | Good luck ;) |
| 03:54.09 | khonkhortisan | For whoever has nothing better to do, try my "fork". http://76.121.156.73/ |
| 03:54.54 | jeffm | jcp, I'm done with a third of it so far, the rest isn't so bad once you have the expansions done |
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| 04:25.42 | khonkhortisan | flying steamroller |
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| 04:56.34 | khonkhortisan | so NJ+antidote doesn't work if the ground is sectioned out |
| 05:34.25 | khonkhortisan | the mountain ring isn't z-sorted |
| 05:36.58 | jeffm | nope it's just drawn first |
| 05:37.21 | jeffm | well after the sky, before the map |
| 05:43.02 | jeffm | the rendering engine was made at a time when hardware 3d was rare so it does some tricks to minimize z buffer hits |
| 05:49.32 | khonkhortisan | messing with the world size caused there to be a ring of mountains in the center surrounded by walls |
| 05:58.31 | jeffm | yeah there it's only drawn at a specific distance |
| 05:58.46 | jeffm | it's not how I'd do it |
| 06:05.15 | khonkhortisan | _tankSpeed 1000000000000 lets me go out of the map |
| 06:06.29 | jeffm | big numbers screw up the simulation |
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| 14:49.30 | alezakos | What is this ServerLink::read() loop that sometimes occurs when I'm playing?\ |
| 14:50.47 | blast007 | means that a large amount of data was sent to the client or that the client spend an unusually high amount of time processing the network data |
| 14:51.08 | blast007 | happens with /flag reset sometimes, if there's a large number of flags |
| 14:55.13 | alezakos | Ah, thanks |
| 14:57.03 | blast007 | my explanation is probably a bit off as well... it's probably just based on how many network read loops it goes through in a single game loop and caused when a burst of data is sent to the client |
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| 16:29.47 | Nitroxis | http://rikercup.org/ |
| 16:29.48 | Nitroxis | :( |
| 16:31.07 | CaptainObvious | It's closed down |
| 16:38.05 | alezakos | That's an interesting error while compiling on Windows: |
| 16:38.13 | alezakos | 8>common.lib(TextUtils.obj) : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol _regfree referenced in function "bool __cdecl TextUtils::parseDuration(char const *,int &)" (?parseDuration@TextUtils@@YA_NPBDAAH@Z) |
| 16:38.40 | alezakos | And a few more similar ones related to curl |
| 16:38.49 | alezakos | Does anybody know what's causing them? |
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| 16:58.10 | alezakos | JeffM, may I ask you as well, what does this build error on windows mean? |
| 16:58.16 | alezakos | 8>common.lib(TextUtils.obj) : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol _regfree referenced in function "bool __cdecl TextUtils::parseDuration(char const *,int &)" (?parseDuration@TextUtils@@YA_NPBDAAH@Z) |
| 17:10.50 | JeffM | it means build again and it'll work |
| 17:11.00 | JeffM | I have a depedency loop I never solved |
| 17:11.32 | JeffM | bassicly it built regex after it built textutils so it could not link it |
| 17:11.49 | JeffM | but if you build again regex will be built from the last build and will link |
| 17:12.08 | JeffM | I've just never gotten around to setting the dependencies right so that regex gets built first |
| 17:14.38 | alezakos | This seems to be doing the trick, thanks |
| 17:16.33 | JeffM | yeah it was anoying me this weekend but I never got around to fixing it |
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| 17:25.55 | JeffM | alezakos, so I assume you were able to get past the DirectX install? |
| 17:28.25 | alezakos | Yes, everything was fine |
| 17:33.03 | JeffM | cool |
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| 18:41.29 | alezakos | JeffM: What seems to have solved the dependency problem is going to the bzflag & bzadmin property pages, at common properties>framework and references, then adding a new reference to regex. |
| 18:43.55 | JeffM | a reference? |
| 18:44.02 | JeffM | that's for manged stuff |
| 18:44.19 | JeffM | but maybe that sets a dependency in express |
| 18:46.51 | JeffM | or maybe it's that changed stuff they did for VC10 |
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| 18:52.04 | JeffM | but that gives me a hint on it, thanks |
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| 18:55.12 | alezakos | Hm |
| 18:55.36 | alezakos | How do you make a 64-bit build? Choosing x64 from the dropdown doesn't build anything |
| 18:55.51 | alezakos | Or are there no differences between the 32-bit and the 64-bit builds? |
| 18:55.57 | JeffM | it shoudl make one |
| 18:56.03 | JeffM | buy there are no real differences |
| 18:56.24 | JeffM | it should make a 64 bit bin folder |
| 18:56.34 | alezakos | It just skipped all projects |
| 18:56.45 | alezakos | But now that I think about it |
| 18:56.51 | alezakos | There were some warnings |
| 18:57.27 | alezakos | Platform 'x64' referenced in the profect file xyz cannot be found, please make sure you have installed it under '%VCTargetsPath%\Platforms\x64' |
| 18:59.43 | JeffM | yeah does express install a 64 bit compiler? |
| 19:00.27 | blast007 | notices that one of the nameservers for bzflag.org is le dead |
| 19:00.28 | JeffM | in full VC it's an option that you have have to turn on |
| 19:00.43 | JeffM | blast007, the one running of Tim's modem? |
| 19:00.51 | blast007 | NS.MECWORKS.COM |
| 19:01.14 | JeffM | best send him an email |
| 19:01.17 | blast007 | yup |
| 19:02.01 | JeffM | alezakos, why did you want a 64 bit build, it dosn't really run any faster or better |
| 19:02.07 | alezakos | Ah, okay then |
| 19:02.26 | JeffM | bzflag does not access over 4 gigs of memory so it has no advantage of being 64 bit |
| 19:02.36 | JeffM | 64 bit is not faster |
| 19:02.46 | alezakos | It seems that Visual c++ express doesn't come with a 64bit compiler and I have to download an SDK, so... |
| 19:02.50 | JeffM | in some ways it's slower, as you are shuffling larger pointers around |
| 19:03.13 | JeffM | 64 bit just lets you deal with more data if you need it |
| 19:03.16 | alezakos | If you say so, I'll just stick to 32 bits |
| 19:04.02 | JeffM | some 64 bit CPUs are actualy faster at doing 32 bit code because they can fit 2 32 bit addresses in a single 64 bit register and can cache more |
| 19:04.34 | JeffM | we had to explain a lot of this to people at my work, 64 bit is better for us but not faster :) |
| 19:04.49 | JeffM | marketing kept wanting to put the word "Faster" in all the ads |
| 19:05.21 | alezakos | Hehe :) |
| 19:05.23 | blast007 | "Now with 100% more bits in every byte!" "No..." |
| 19:06.26 | JeffM | yeah the 64 bit case is a bit harder to make with some people and some industries |
| 19:06.44 | JeffM | the only people who get advantage in our stuff is people with very large datasets |
| 19:06.54 | JeffM | because they could not possibly process it with the 32 bit version |
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| 19:13.20 | blast007 | wee, 28,859 registered users with 0 posts that haven't logged into the game once since we upgraded to phpBB3 (or ever) |
| 19:15.41 | blast007 | and 14,997 of those aren't activated accounts |
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| 19:18.12 | JeffM | kill the unactivated ones |
| 19:22.25 | alezakos | They are harming the environment by consuming unnecessary disc space |
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| 20:01.09 | blast007 | JeffM: easier said than done ;) |
| 20:06.38 | Chestal | hmm, I'm running a couple of server which share same -userdb file, I guess this could cause issues |
| 20:07.22 | Chestal | I don't actually need bzfs to change the file in the first place, I just use it to put myself into an extra group |
| 20:07.45 | Chestal | I kinda forgot how all this exactly works |
| 20:08.32 | blast007 | why are you using a -userdb file at all? |
| 20:08.46 | blast007 | use global groups instead |
| 20:09.04 | Chestal | to give extra privileges to one callsign (myself) |
| 20:09.37 | Chestal | guess I don't really need that anyway, can always use /password if I really need it |
| 20:09.38 | blast007 | request a global group and put only yourself in the group ;) |
| 20:09.57 | Chestal | *yuck* :-) |
| 20:10.11 | blast007 | userdb is based on callsigns, global groups are based on unique accounts |
| 20:10.32 | blast007 | or write a plugin that elevates permissions for you |
| 20:12.22 | Chestal | the perms I get when I am /password-administrator are hardcoded I assume? |
| 20:13.34 | Chestal | (asking because of HIDEADMIN) |
| 20:13.40 | Chestal | guess I don't need that either |
| 20:17.52 | blast007 | I can't remember what /password does exactly in 2.4 |
| 20:18.02 | blast007 | it might just set "operator" status |
| 20:21.58 | JeffM | it should do the same as it did in 2.0 |
| 20:22.37 | JeffM | we should probalby remove userdb and write a superuser plugin that requires the user to be authed |
| 20:22.59 | JeffM | then have it store the super perms in it's own file based on bzid |
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| 20:24.25 | blast007 | I had something like that back in 2.0 when I hosted more maps.. let me give extra rights to the map author |
| 20:24.47 | Chestal | I just got rid of userdb for now, good enough for me |
| 20:25.01 | JeffM | we already got rid of passdb |
| 20:25.39 | blast007 | it was a bit hackish though, and a bit limited by the API. IIRC, bz_getGroupPerms only returns the positive permissions, so my plugin couldn't add any anti-permissions |
| 20:30.21 | JeffM | we can always extend the API :) |
| 20:30.43 | blast007 | I know ;) |
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| 23:49.50 | elite303 | hey guys, just got banned from mofo for my first 2 spawns in front of geno. Any advice?> |
| 23:50.30 | elite303 | Banned by jovano? never seen him in there before. I have never been banned before either. |
| 23:54.19 | jcp | joevano: ^ |
| 23:57.36 | jcp | elite303: Might want to join ##planetmofo and ask there |
| 23:58.08 | blast007 | yeah, that'd be the channel to join for this |
| 23:59.36 | blast007 | elite303: type /join ##PlanetMofo |