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| 03:18.25 | moondoggy | Hey, anyone know about the big event on the 12th? |
| 03:18.41 | moondoggy | Can I "observe?" |
| 03:19.11 | Constitution | yes |
| 03:19.30 | Constitution | http://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=103&t=18346 |
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| 03:28.45 | Detrimental | ill try to make it |
| 04:13.19 | moondoggy | Thanks, Constitution . I'm trying to change observation point in a game right now. Know how to do that? |
| 04:15.51 | moondoggy | Anyone? |
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| 04:45.33 | jeffm | moondoggy, one of the F KEYS changes the observer modes |
| 04:46.01 | moondoggy | Ah, thanks. F1, F2, etc., you mean? |
| 04:46.08 | jeffm | ja |
| 04:47.36 | allejo | F8 to change between roaming/ tracking/ etc. F6/F7 to switch players |
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| 05:26.32 | moondoggy | It's weird. I can get everything except a bird's-eye view. |
| 05:27.08 | allejo | there isn't a bird's eye view |
| 05:27.27 | moondoggy | That explains it. :) |
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| 06:02.16 | brad | birds eye view of the whole map? use roaming |
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| 16:29.45 | alezakos | blast007: On your bzflag_server_config_generator, what does `key` in function(key, value) represent? |
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| 17:09.23 | blast007 | can't remember at the moment ;) |
| 17:10.38 | blast007 | should probably be 'value, text' |
| 17:11.19 | blast007 | (which would then map value to the 'value' of the <option>, and the text between <option> and </option> to 'text') |
| 17:11.28 | blast007 | or mayve just the value and nothing else |
| 17:11.31 | blast007 | maybe* |
| 17:44.10 | blast007 | alezakos: oh, and I guess I should ask which one you're referring to. There are at least two instances of that. |
| 17:46.36 | blast007 | both don't need 'key' |
| 17:53.24 | alezakos | blast007: I'm actually referring to both of them :) |
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| 18:14.58 | blast007 | alezakos: fixed, and added support for select box output generation when using a function |
| 18:15.16 | blast007 | so now the game mode selection outputs :) |
| 18:16.50 | alezakos | Nice |
| 18:17.04 | alezakos | BTW, on the Generate page, the button is too close to the textarea |
| 18:17.20 | alezakos | Maybe you should give it the style 'display: block' |
| 18:17.46 | alezakos | Or insert the class `btn-block` (which will make the button have 100% width) |
| 18:18.53 | alezakos | And you'd probably like to add type: 'text', after line 97 on generator.js |
| 18:19.05 | alezakos | That'll make Bootsrap style the input accordingly |
| 18:19.21 | blast007 | yeah, I know it's close |
| 18:21.59 | blast007 | added the type |
| 18:25.28 | blast007 | eventually I should probably make widget classes for the various types of inputs |
| 18:26.06 | blast007 | each widget class would have methods to initialize them, generate the DOM elements, set and get the values, etc |
| 18:26.25 | blast007 | would make the main class cleaner as well |
| 18:27.39 | alezakos | doesn't sound bad |
| 18:28.16 | blast007 | and then *eventually* I'd like to have the ability to restore a configuration back into the generator so you can edit it again |
| 18:28.35 | blast007 | probably with a special URL that gets spit into the header of the config file |
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| 20:17.08 | jcp | has there been any thought toward client-side recording? |
| 20:17.47 | blast007 | jcp: video? |
| 20:18.25 | blast007 | cuz the client doesn't have enough information to do anything other than record video |
| 20:19.14 | blast007 | well.. maybe it does, but "meh" |
| 20:19.18 | jcp | No, client-side version of /record |
| 20:19.25 | blast007 | why would you want that? |
| 20:19.43 | blast007 | or why would it be worth us implementing that? |
| 20:19.51 | jcp | To record interesting games/matches that no one else has thought to record |
| 20:20.05 | jcp | Not high priority, of course, just a neat little thing |
| 20:20.11 | blast007 | install fraps or similar program then |
| 20:20.41 | JeffM | what advantage would it have over server side record? |
| 20:20.51 | jcp | Yeah, but that doesn't allow me to take different perspectives each time |
| 20:20.59 | blast007 | a feature like that would cripple the ability to optimize the game later |
| 20:21.03 | jcp | JeffM: that it's not limited to admins |
| 20:21.07 | jcp | Why? |
| 20:21.20 | JeffM | the client dosnt' get all packets, it would be limited |
| 20:21.37 | blast007 | for instance, let's say we want to not send player updates for ST players to other peoples that can't see them. We couldn't do that without breaking a client-side recording system. |
| 20:21.47 | blast007 | same goes for sending less updates for players that are further away. |
| 20:21.56 | jcp | Hm, that's true |
| 20:21.58 | blast007 | other players* |
| 20:22.28 | blast007 | that, and I can see it being used more for "see, the shot went through that guy! BAN!" |
| 20:22.30 | JeffM | yeah doing that bassicly requires that we keep the client smart |
| 20:22.45 | jcp | notes to try putting bzflag through a socket proxy and see what happens when replaying the raw bytes |
| 20:23.07 | jcp | blast007: Then you fire the relevant admins ;) |
| 20:23.11 | JeffM | the server records the packets |
| 20:23.28 | JeffM | so the packet stream is the same during a record |
| 20:23.42 | JeffM | but it's timed for the server not what all the various clients saw |
| 20:23.50 | Chestal | well, you could also record game info at a higher abstraction |
| 20:23.54 | JeffM | if you recorded at a client level you'd have a different recording on every client |
| 20:24.06 | Chestal | but would need a special replay mode or external tool |
| 20:24.15 | JeffM | yeah, then recordings could persist past proto breaks :) |
| 20:24.40 | blast007 | I don't think it's really worth keeping replays past proto breaks |
| 20:24.49 | Chestal | I did a very simple client-side recording, basically dumping timestamps and positions of tanks+shots |
| 20:24.55 | JeffM | jcp, your issue could be solved by a server that always recorded but had the ability to send you a arbitary time segment as a recording |
| 20:25.12 | jcp | JeffM: That'd work |
| 20:25.23 | Chestal | it was not aimed at replaying in real-time, but for detailed analysis, e.g. lag |
| 20:25.33 | blast007 | that's be rather memory/space expensive in our current implementation |
| 20:25.34 | jcp | Ok, headed to worn |
| 20:25.35 | jcp | * work |
| 20:25.44 | JeffM | Chestal, yeah you'd get that client's lag burned into that recording |
| 20:26.07 | Chestal | that was the point :-) |
| 20:26.37 | Chestal | so you could comapre each tank's subjective view |
| 20:26.47 | JeffM | the server should be doing that :) |
| 20:27.03 | Chestal | I lost the code to the replayer, though. was a quick patch of a software for somethign totally different |
| 20:27.05 | blast007 | the server should just autokick everyone over 80ms lag ;) |
| 20:27.30 | blast007 | "Sorry, this is a LowPing server." |
| 20:27.32 | JeffM | if your lag is over your frame time, you are out? |
| 20:29.33 | Chestal | turns out I still have some version of the code, I also remmeber that someone extended it to also display (basic maps) |
| 20:29.50 | Chestal | but it's certainly not what jcp has in mind |
| 20:29.56 | JeffM | I remember seeing some maps you did |
| 20:31.33 | Chestal | ah, some screenshots: http://www.home.unix-ag.org/thilo/files/chestal.png |
| 20:39.32 | blast007 | alezakos: not sure if I like the button all the way across (I have it like that in the demo site, but not yet commited/pushed) |
| 20:39.37 | blast007 | or at least not the blue button |
| 20:52.12 | alezakos | blast007: Putting in just display:block keeps the width the same |
| 20:53.06 | blast007 | I'll poke around with options later |
| 20:55.19 | Notify | 03BZFlag:jeffm2501 * 22592 (trunk/bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/plugin_config.cpp trunk/bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/plugin_config.h): make the config class a bit easier to use with the way new plug-ins work and with the char*'s returned from the API. |
| 21:01.58 | JeffM | I'll have a super user plugin soon, you just have a file with the bzid and a list of permisions you want to grant |
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| 21:22.18 | JeffM | blast007, any idea how I find out my bzid? |
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| 21:22.40 | blast007 | it's in the URL on your forum profile page |
| 21:23.03 | JeffM | ahh cool |
| 21:23.06 | JeffM | 48 then |
| 21:45.40 | Notify | 03BZFlag:jeffm2501 * 22593 trunk/bzflag/plugins/Makefile.am: add superUser plug-in that lets a server owner grant permissions to globally authenticated users based on BZID so they don't have to set up specific admin groups in the global space. |
| 21:52.30 | blast007 | seems the Notify thing horked on that one as well |
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| 22:28.21 | alezakos | khonkhortisan: You might want to check out the "-w 9999" version server list. Goodbye for now. |
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| 22:36.30 | khonkhortisan | the helit one has the protocol version change, but not the patch |
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| 23:37.27 | khonkhortisan | I see someone made a better flag-testing map than I did |
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