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| 16:16.45 | blast007 | TimRiker: did you see my /msg from Wednesday? |
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| 17:00.16 | wiley | hello |
| 17:00.23 | blast007 | hi |
| 17:00.57 | wiley | Has bz been busy in the last couple months? |
| 17:01.10 | blast007 | busy how? |
| 17:01.32 | wiley | compared to previous months |
| 17:01.53 | wiley | seems like gu is a bit more active |
| 17:01.54 | blast007 | "busy" meaning what, exactly? |
| 17:02.06 | blast007 | players? development? what? |
| 17:03.41 | wiley | players |
| 17:03.57 | blast007 | we don't really keep track |
| 17:04.09 | blast007 | it's less that it was years ago |
| 17:04.11 | wiley | ah well |
| 17:05.51 | wiley | is there still progress in terms of development? |
| 17:05.57 | JeffM | it was stadaly droping when I was tracking it several months ago |
| 17:06.02 | JeffM | some |
| 17:06.19 | JeffM | we are trying to get some changes to the projet to make development go better |
| 17:10.13 | JeffM | well some of us are :) |
| 17:10.37 | JeffM | blast007, I checked out mvcish last night to to see how it'd work for the account manager |
| 17:11.18 | wiley | there going to be any effort to increase it's visibility? I mean it's no secret bzflag isn't real well known.. |
| 17:11.39 | JeffM | I would not do that untill after it has some cleanup work first |
| 17:11.53 | JeffM | we current loose 95% of people that try it |
| 17:12.08 | JeffM | but at some point yes that would be a good goal |
| 17:12.26 | JeffM | after the end user experience is cleaned up a bit and some of the cheating is fixed |
| 17:13.52 | wiley | cool |
| 17:14.38 | JeffM | currently all of that is question right now, we'll have to see how some choices go before we know what direction to go |
| 17:15.51 | blast007 | JeffM: okay. I do need to clean up some parts of it yet, but it's a less intrustive framework than most of the frameworks out there. |
| 17:16.16 | JeffM | I see that you are working on making it lightweght |
| 17:16.18 | blast007 | And it's very fast to load, which some of the frameworks suffer from. |
| 17:16.27 | JeffM | AND you have phpbb auth ;) |
| 17:16.30 | blast007 | :) |
| 17:16.33 | blast007 | and LDAP |
| 17:16.35 | JeffM | thats the big reason to start with it |
| 17:17.01 | JeffM | I've learned a lot about ldap since that SOC, not entirely sure that it's a great fit for us, but it should be discussed |
| 17:17.24 | blast007 | yeah, the only beneifit for us would be the replication - and that we can get with a regular database |
| 17:17.25 | JeffM | did you use ADLDAP or something like that? |
| 17:17.42 | JeffM | yeah clustering has come a long way, and the group aspect of ldap dosn't realy fit right |
| 17:17.45 | blast007 | I used the built-in PHP LDAP library, which utilizes OpenLDAP libs, I think. |
| 17:17.49 | JeffM | k |
| 17:18.07 | JeffM | I belive ADLDAP is a wraper over those libs too |
| 17:18.21 | blast007 | my LDAP stuff is pretty basic.. |
| 17:18.24 | JeffM | the CMS I made for work uses it |
| 17:19.31 | blast007 | I should do some benchmarks to see if my autoloader cache file actually speeds anything up |
| 17:20.57 | blast007 | currently when you try to use a class that isn't laoded, the autoloader class searches the defined directories for the file that would define that class |
| 17:21.29 | blast007 | and then it serializes an array and stores that in a text file that it will load next time so it doesn't have to search |
| 17:22.11 | blast007 | (it only write the cache file if it actually updated what it would contain, as well) |
| 17:22.14 | blast007 | writes* |
| 17:22.38 | blast007 | just feels kinda dirty writing to a text file |
| 17:23.10 | blast007 | likely faster than doing it with SQLite though |
| 17:25.00 | blast007 | my Model class also only supports MySQL at the moment, but it's just the DSN that would need to be made flexible |
| 17:25.33 | blast007 | the Model class doesn't do any of the actual queries - those go into the Models. |
| 17:26.06 | blast007 | oh, and it only supports a single data source per request |
| 17:26.25 | JeffM | so the main website is using it, anything else? |
| 17:27.14 | blast007 | https://bitbucket.org/blast007/bzgeolist/src |
| 17:29.04 | JeffM | how does it work under the load of tens of people a day? |
| 17:29.06 | JeffM | ;) |
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| 17:37.11 | blast007 | JeffM: quite well :P |
| 17:44.09 | blast007 | JeffM: just as an example, hitting the bzflag.org homepage from another VM on the same physical server, doing 500 simultaneius connections, and a total of 10,000 requests, with keep-alive disabled.. It did 758 requests per second |
| 17:44.55 | blast007 | that's not counting any extra resources, of course - just the HTML generation |
| 17:48.32 | blast007 | same benchmark run from a server at work to that server yielded 253 requests per second |
| 17:48.49 | blast007 | granted, adding database access will slow it down a bit |
| 17:51.46 | blast007 | running it on the bzgeolist, and I'd definitely want to tune apache a bit (or change HTTPD) if this was a common access level ;) |
| 17:53.55 | blast007 | even going around 500MB into swap while serving requests, it managed to do 62 requests per second. And that's with a geoip lookup and a MySQL query. |
| 17:54.30 | blast007 | though baukbench says 1317 requests 'failed', however it determines that. |
| 17:57.12 | JeffM | nice |
| 17:57.26 | JeffM | how many hits are we getting on the mainpage these days |
| 17:57.58 | blast007 | 152 apache2 workers running on my VM right now ;) |
| 17:58.05 | blast007 | no wonder I'm out of RAM |
| 17:58.44 | JeffM | heh |
| 17:59.19 | blast007 | guess I still had around 300MB to spare, out of 2GB |
| 17:59.44 | blast007 | but dropping the limit to something like 64 would leave more RAM free for file system caching |
| 18:00.19 | blast007 | I did 250 simultaneous that time, and had no errors, and 41 requests per second |
| 18:00.29 | blast007 | oh, wait, 56 per second |
| 18:01.36 | blast007 | and this is all while using APC for caching the PHP opcode, so that helps out |
| 18:02.38 | blast007 | if we get to the point where we have that much traffic, there's lots of things we can do to tweak our infrastructure |
| 18:03.09 | JeffM | that and move off a vps? |
| 18:03.25 | JeffM | cus if we gettin that many hits we better be gettin paid |
| 18:03.50 | blast007 | I dunno. I kinda like VMWare. :) |
| 18:04.06 | blast007 | so I'd probably keep it virtualized |
| 18:04.27 | JeffM | ok, a beefer one |
| 18:04.59 | JeffM | yaeh with current stuff there isn't any real reason to keep a dedicated physical machine, unless you need every ounch of junce out of the metal |
| 18:05.00 | blast007 | beefier than a quad-core ivy bridge hypethreaded xeon with 16GB RAM? |
| 18:05.51 | blast007 | the slowest part of the server right now is probably the fixed storage |
| 18:06.00 | JeffM | ahh |
| 18:06.05 | JeffM | how many VMs is it running? |
| 18:06.14 | blast007 | 4 or 5 |
| 18:06.24 | blast007 | one being the backup system |
| 18:06.30 | JeffM | and yeah totaly put that on a P3 with 256 megs of ram, it'd be AWESOME! |
| 18:06.35 | blast007 | ;D |
| 18:06.50 | blast007 | only one VM is specifically for the BZFlag project |
| 18:07.33 | JeffM | well if we get that busy we wold have to make a number of changes, most of them non techincal |
| 18:08.07 | blast007 | and I'm just using the free version of VMWare ESXi - if we got to the point where that wasn't enough, we could look at doing multiple physical servers and split stuff across VMs, and have it automatically move busy VMs to less busy hosts. |
| 18:08.26 | blast007 | but we're a loooong way from needing to think about that :) |
| 18:08.32 | JeffM | CLOUD! |
| 18:08.39 | blast007 | PRIVATE CLOUD! |
| 18:08.47 | JeffM | I hear HP will sell you one of those |
| 18:08.57 | blast007 | ;) |
| 18:09.23 | blast007 | and the multiple servers I was talking about above would be in the same rack |
| 18:09.30 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:09.37 | blast007 | you'd not want to do vMotion over the WAN ;) |
| 18:09.39 | JeffM | one day we can get there |
| 18:09.52 | JeffM | then we sell hats |
| 18:10.17 | JeffM | well treads, and tank bling |
| 18:10.21 | JeffM | and avatars |
| 18:12.11 | blast007 | when hitting the bzflag.org homepage with 500 requests per second, I don't think it even hit swap. Not loading the database helps with memory usage. ;) |
| 18:13.26 | JeffM | you need to run more IRC scripts |
| 18:33.16 | blast007 | hehehe |
| 18:33.56 | blast007 | I could even use that much memory in irssi if I *tried* (and I did try to duplicate it.. couldn't) |
| 18:37.30 | JeffM | sooooo... what domain should we pick if we have to? |
| 18:45.15 | blast007 | polarbearswithchainsaws.com |
| 18:46.20 | BulletCatcher | If we choose a domain before we are ready to buy, someone else will snipe it. |
| 18:46.40 | khonkhortisan | Your decision is logged. |
| 18:48.45 | blast007 | TimRiker: did you see my message here asking if you saw my /msg from Wednesday? ;) |
| 18:51.22 | BulletCatcher | If we were to build a prototype next-generation system under a temporary domain, perhaps TimRiker would be so impressed with its awesomeness that he would be more willing to let us use bzflag.org for it. |
| 18:53.28 | JeffM | BulletCatcher, that means it will need hats |
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