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| 02:35.11 | jeffm | ahhhhnnd shortest midterm yet |
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| 17:11.19 | alezakos | It seems that the leaks are now caused by bz_APIStrings, not shots |
| 17:11.37 | alezakos | Check out this valgrind output: http://pastebin.com/E3iQ903Q |
| 17:11.58 | allejo | finds that amusing |
| 17:13.41 | blast007 | alezakos: is your plugin calling bz_getPlayerByIndex? |
| 17:14.49 | alezakos | Well, it's not mine, but it does call this function |
| 17:15.12 | blast007 | does it call bz_freePlayerRecord when it's done with the records? |
| 17:15.40 | alezakos | Let me check... |
| 17:17.44 | blast007 | and by "it" I mean the plugin, not bz_getPlayerByIndex |
| 17:17.54 | alezakos | Yeah, I understood that |
| 17:18.06 | blast007 | k, just making sure ;) |
| 17:18.10 | JeffM | if you get a player you have to free it, I don't know when you are done with it |
| 17:19.03 | blast007 | JeffM: is that a case where a shared_ptr could help? |
| 17:19.19 | JeffM | I don't know if you can send them across the DLL boundry in windows |
| 17:19.29 | JeffM | they are part of STL, and you can't send std::strings across |
| 17:19.36 | blast007 | ok |
| 17:19.37 | JeffM | I belive they would have the same problem |
| 17:20.18 | JeffM | if the pointer was allocated in bzfs, but finaly went out of scope in the plugin, the plugin module would be the one to delete the memory |
| 17:20.36 | JeffM | what would be better to do on our end is keep a copy of all outstanding player pointers |
| 17:20.45 | JeffM | then if you ask for the same one again that is open just give back the same pointer |
| 17:20.54 | JeffM | and ref count it there |
| 17:21.10 | JeffM | then at worst you end up with ONE hanging structure per player not one per call |
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| 17:21.47 | JeffM | hmmm, or make them all static and send back a refernce instead of a pointer, |
| 17:21.55 | JeffM | then the API would just keep one per player |
| 17:22.56 | alezakos | Wow, it seems there are many places where there is no bz_freePlayerRecord even though there should be one... |
| 17:23.09 | JeffM | in bzfs or in the plugin? |
| 17:23.15 | alezakos | In the plugin |
| 17:23.23 | JeffM | then that is a badly writen plugin that will leak |
| 17:24.19 | JeffM | many people who don't understand pointers or C try to write plugins an come from garbage collected langauges like java |
| 17:26.08 | JeffM | I do wonder how prevelant that is |
| 17:26.18 | JeffM | cus I can do the static thing |
| 17:26.28 | JeffM | it would not be too hard |
| 17:26.35 | blast007 | my plugins just generate garbage |
| 17:27.13 | JeffM | alezakos, the only time you DON'T need to free a record is when it's passed to you as part of an event |
| 17:27.25 | JeffM | those are cleaned up in the destructor for the envent data inside bzfs |
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| 17:48.29 | JeffM | alezakos, so the plugin he is using is NOT the test plugin that is part of the bug right? |
| 17:48.56 | alezakos | No, it's not |
| 17:49.01 | alezakos | It's completely different |
| 17:49.10 | JeffM | does the test plugin work for him |
| 17:49.16 | JeffM | I want to know if I can close the bug |
| 17:49.34 | alezakos | I'll ask as soon as I see him |
| 17:49.39 | JeffM | k, thanks |
| 17:50.04 | JeffM | should I even try to prevent leaks from lazy developers? |
| 17:50.29 | alezakos | Hm, it still seems to be leaking... |
| 17:50.31 | blast007 | probably not. my question above was more of a pondery. |
| 17:50.35 | JeffM | k |
| 17:51.14 | JeffM | I mean there is a way we can get rid of all the wierd API crap, just desuport windows as a host |
| 17:52.11 | blast007 | nah, it's fine how it is right now |
| 17:52.34 | JeffM | or make it managed :) |
| 17:53.11 | JeffM | alezakos, I'm going to mark the bug as fixed, but not close it to comments in case we have to reopen it |
| 17:53.25 | alezakos | Ok, feel free to do so |
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| 19:25.55 | JeffM | alezakos, thanks |
| 19:27.06 | alezakos | You should thank Rob5a |
| 19:30.41 | JeffM | haven't seen him say anything in IRC, you have |
| 19:31.13 | alezakos | He just tested the plugin :) |
| 19:31.28 | JeffM | so did blast |
| 19:31.52 | blast007 | was Rob5a the one who initially reported the leak? |
| 19:31.59 | alezakos | Yup |
| 19:32.05 | blast007 | okay, good :) |
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| 20:09.50 | Notify | 03BZFlag:kongr45gpen * 22726 trunk/bzflag/include/bzfsAPI.h: Prevent memory leaks |
| 20:11.55 | Cobra_Fast | ^ what is "virtual" anyways? |
| 20:13.18 | JeffM | it means it can be overrideen |
| 20:13.32 | JeffM | yeah that could cause leaks in gcc for the event ones |
| 20:13.36 | JeffM | good catch |
| 20:13.48 | JeffM | and we do derive it |
| 20:13.52 | Cobra_Fast | i dont understand how it solves memory leaks |
| 20:14.01 | JeffM | hoookay |
| 20:14.15 | JeffM | we have a derived player record |
| 20:14.18 | JeffM | the V2 record |
| 20:14.23 | JeffM | we create one of those |
| 20:14.37 | JeffM | and attach a pointer to events |
| 20:14.57 | JeffM | since it was derived from the base player record, plugins that only support the old version are fine |
| 20:15.04 | JeffM | new plugins cast it as a V2 and get the new data |
| 20:15.06 | JeffM | all is good |
| 20:15.28 | JeffM | when the event is finished, the V2 record goes out of scope and it's destructor is called |
| 20:15.42 | JeffM | this frees any memory that the V2 class allocated |
| 20:15.46 | Cobra_Fast | oooohhhhhh but the base destructor isnt |
| 20:15.52 | JeffM | but since the base destructor is not virtual it isn't called |
| 20:15.54 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:16.01 | Cobra_Fast | thats sneaky |
| 20:16.02 | JeffM | by making the destructor virtual, BOTH are called |
| 20:16.12 | JeffM | yeah you really should just make all destructors virtual |
| 20:16.26 | JeffM | now on windows, the VC runtimes just call both |
| 20:16.37 | JeffM | but gcc requires the base destructors to be virtual |
| 20:17.40 | alezakos | had no idea about that |
| 20:17.56 | Cobra_Fast | me neither |
| 20:18.12 | Cobra_Fast | thanks for explaining that, JeffM |
| 20:18.15 | JeffM | sure |
| 20:18.20 | blast007 | this is why I write PHP |
| 20:18.22 | blast007 | ;) |
| 20:18.25 | JeffM | heh |
| 20:18.49 | Cobra_Fast | if only php wasnt so slow |
| 20:19.00 | blast007 | slow how? |
| 20:19.27 | blast007 | with opcode cache like APC, it's not that bad |
| 20:19.39 | JeffM | yeah there are ways to get it rather optimized |
| 20:19.50 | JeffM | any code can be compiled down to machine code |
| 20:19.58 | JeffM | even if it's not normaly used that way |
| 20:20.12 | Cobra_Fast | i once made a cli script to mix two audiofiles to one and it took longer to process than the resulting audiofiles playtime. rewrote the thing in c++ and its was ~40 times faster. |
| 20:20.33 | JeffM | sure just the base php is interpeted and inheretly slower there |
| 20:20.41 | JeffM | it was not intended for that kind of work |
| 20:21.08 | Cobra_Fast | i was aware of that, but i didnt think it would be /that/ slow |
| 20:21.18 | blast007 | if you wrote a module for that it would have been faster, but then you'd be writing C\C++ anyway ;) |
| 20:21.26 | JeffM | C++ optimser are pretty friggin good |
| 20:21.32 | JeffM | so you get a lot off the bat |
| 20:21.38 | JeffM | but you don't get the run anywhere aspect |
| 20:21.57 | Cobra_Fast | c++ runs on a lot of places though |
| 20:22.05 | JeffM | sure if you recompile |
| 20:22.11 | JeffM | and don't use any native features |
| 20:23.26 | Cobra_Fast | and the php interpreter is written in c++ as well, so uh |
| 20:23.42 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:23.55 | JeffM | it takes time to parse the text |
| 20:24.01 | JeffM | and with out any chaching that's what happens |
| 20:24.07 | JeffM | php also keeps all it's data as strings |
| 20:24.11 | JeffM | so it's slow to do maths |
| 20:24.19 | blast007 | there's also Zend Server which likely has some performance optimizations over the normal PHP |
| 20:24.20 | JeffM | the optimisers blast talks about change all that |
| 20:24.54 | JeffM | the nice things about interpreted langauges is that you CAN change the backend in different places with out changing sources |
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| 20:25.01 | JeffM | for C++ how it's compiled is how it runs |
| 20:25.05 | blast007 | that, and not loading 3MB worth of PHP text files |
| 20:25.07 | JeffM | so it's all tradeoffs for what you want to do |
| 20:25.20 | JeffM | there is no one language that is perfect for all tasks |
| 20:28.20 | JeffM | php is a poor choice for large scale data processing |
| 20:28.37 | JeffM | it's good for formating data into human readable output and taking human input |
| 20:30.29 | JeffM | things that are going to take a lot of cycles an be in tight loops like your audio processor, you want them to have a low overhead and you don't need the flexablility of making changes with out compiling |
| 20:30.39 | JeffM | I would not use any interpreted language for data processing |
| 20:31.28 | JeffM | once you got your data processor done, it would probalby not change for a very long time, so compiling is fine |
| 20:31.38 | Cobra_Fast | ive seen stuff being done with python, and as far as im concerned its interpreted |
| 20:31.51 | JeffM | yes python is inbetween the 2 |
| 20:32.07 | JeffM | it does make sorta-compiled cache files |
| 20:32.29 | JeffM | it's a decent blend between them so a lot of people use it |
| 20:33.15 | JeffM | it's faster then php for data processing, nearly as slick at doing webpage output but not quite, yet still can be edited with out a big recompile step |
| 20:33.22 | JeffM | it's a fine scripting languag |
| 20:33.24 | JeffM | language |
| 20:33.49 | JeffM | there are some systems that compile python down to runtime code, native or CLI |
| 20:34.02 | JeffM | then it runs as fast as other languages that compile down to it |
| 20:34.22 | JeffM | I'm using IronPython in one of our products now as a scripting interface |
| 20:34.24 | JeffM | it works great |
| 20:35.11 | Cobra_Fast | hmm i probably should learn python then |
| 20:35.25 | JeffM | you should learn all languages |
| 20:35.36 | JeffM | a developer is not defined by the language she knows |
| 20:36.11 | Cobra_Fast | but it sure is helpful to know your languages... |
| 20:36.19 | JeffM | oh yeah you should know them well |
| 20:36.23 | JeffM | just don't focus on one |
| 20:36.42 | Cobra_Fast | im pretty much only working with php and bash at work |
| 20:36.52 | JeffM | CPython is pretty powerful because you can call native stuff from it IIRC, so you can write data processors in C++ then feed them from python |
| 20:37.06 | JeffM | that's a common language set for web applications |
| 20:37.18 | JeffM | others use ASP.net and powershell |
| 20:39.56 | Cobra_Fast | "Pyjamas compiles Python to JavaScript" eh wat |
| 20:40.05 | JeffM | sure |
| 20:40.13 | JeffM | language conversion isn't too hard |
| 20:40.23 | Cobra_Fast | conversion but it says "compiles" |
| 20:40.33 | JeffM | compiling is a form of converstion |
| 20:40.36 | JeffM | from text to machine code |
| 20:40.51 | JeffM | java and C# "compile" to a bytecode |
| 20:40.53 | JeffM | not machine code |
| 20:41.53 | JeffM | part of the code that I work on started as being converted from pascal to C |
| 20:42.03 | JeffM | it got REALLY fugly in that conversion |
| 20:43.32 | Cobra_Fast | woah python can do multithreading! something i miss badly in php |
| 20:43.53 | JeffM | php isn't really a general application development language, python can be |
| 20:44.22 | JeffM | it's a hypertext preprocessor |
| 20:44.22 | Cobra_Fast | php at least can fork, thats something |
| 20:44.32 | JeffM | that's telling the OS to do something ;) |
| 20:45.02 | Cobra_Fast | along with shared memory you can make it act like threading |
| 20:45.07 | Cobra_Fast | but its still "ugly" |
| 20:45.38 | JeffM | sure and I can make a computer in minecraft, dosn't mean minecraft is a programing language :) |
| 20:45.46 | Cobra_Fast | :D |
| 20:45.56 | JeffM | there are lots of clever ways to make software do what it wasn't intended for |
| 20:46.22 | JeffM | you can't compare languages as apples to apples unless they have the same goals |
| 20:46.33 | JeffM | it's very eash to compare C# and Java |
| 20:46.38 | JeffM | they have nearly identical goals |
| 20:46.54 | JeffM | the are also very similar but not quite the same as C++ |
| 20:47.01 | JeffM | but you can still compare parts of them |
| 20:47.30 | JeffM | but comparing C++ to python is like saying a city bus isn't as fast as a sports car |
| 20:47.39 | JeffM | sorry C++ to php |
| 20:48.00 | JeffM | the bus is made to be sturdy and reliable and do it's job day in and day out, it just ain't fast |
| 20:48.12 | JeffM | the sports car is fancy and fast but a lot harder to drive |
| 20:56.12 | JeffM | unless you are talking about java, then it's ok to say java sucks |
| 20:56.15 | JeffM | cus it does :) |
| 21:07.27 | blast007 | JeffM: making a computer in minecraft is pretty easy ;) http://computercraft.info/wiki/Computer |
| 21:07.33 | blast007 | and then it's just Lua |
| 21:13.47 | JeffM | heh |
| 21:14.15 | JeffM | I'd still not want to write a production application in that ;) |
| 21:14.45 | JeffM | heck, my job is to implment and maintain a language and I'd not use it as a general purpose language |
| 21:15.28 | JeffM | I've written 2 compilers for the thing |
| 21:15.36 | JeffM | the first one was horrible :) |
| 21:16.19 | JeffM | the second one was awesome, but someone else wrote one that was aswesomeer so we are using that |
| 21:22.20 | allejo | ~awesomeer++ |
| 21:22.39 | allejo | err aswesomeer* |
| 21:23.58 | JeffM | it's pretty friggin awesome |
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| 22:21.38 | swigg | Wasn't there a recreation of the 6502C in minecraft? |
| 22:22.08 | swigg | And on that note....why? |
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| 23:34.31 | needhelp | hello |
| 23:34.34 | needhelp | i need some help |
| 23:34.37 | blast007 | hi |
| 23:34.39 | needhelp | with compiling |
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| 23:35.05 | needhelp | some weeks ago i have upgraded my mac to Mountain Lion |
| 23:35.16 | needhelp | mac os x 10.8 if you want me to be concrete |
| 23:35.24 | blast007 | okay |
| 23:35.34 | blast007 | are you trying to just play the game, or are you wanting a server? |
| 23:35.40 | needhelp | to play |
| 23:35.48 | blast007 | just grab our binary package then |
| 23:35.48 | JeffM | we have an OSX package |
| 23:36.08 | blast007 | http://bzflag.org/downloads |
| 23:36.17 | needhelp | i did take it from there.. |
| 23:36.23 | needhelp | i took source code |
| 23:36.30 | blast007 | why? |
| 23:36.33 | JeffM | you don't need the source |
| 23:36.40 | JeffM | the OSX package is premade |
| 23:36.45 | JeffM | it is ready to run |
| 23:37.13 | needhelp | somehow it doesn't run |
| 23:37.20 | JeffM | somehow? |
| 23:37.24 | JeffM | what error do you get? |
| 23:37.26 | needhelp | i dont know.. icon blinks |
| 23:37.35 | needhelp | and nothing opens |
| 23:37.43 | JeffM | building probalby won't fix that |
| 23:37.48 | needhelp | actually.. |
| 23:37.50 | blast007 | try renaming your configuration file and see if it works then: http://wiki.bzflag.org/Config_File |
| 23:37.50 | JeffM | right click on it and pick "open" |
| 23:38.06 | blast007 | if you upgraded, it might not like the old config for some reason |
| 23:38.09 | JeffM | by default 10.8 thinks we are evil for not giving apple 100$ |
| 23:38.15 | blast007 | or that.. |
| 23:38.19 | JeffM | yeah the config would be a good thing too |
| 23:38.42 | needhelp | actually, i have already made it very far in compiling.. but i keep getting silly error |
| 23:38.45 | needhelp | when i try to run |
| 23:38.46 | JeffM | at least we have the option of signing now that we can build in proper xcode |
| 23:38.47 | needhelp | Choose a destination with a supported architecture in order to run on this system. |
| 23:38.49 | blast007 | use the binary |
| 23:39.22 | needhelp | cant you just help me with my problem? |
| 23:39.47 | JeffM | it's simpler to use the binary |
| 23:39.54 | JeffM | and building probalby won't fix your problem |
| 23:39.59 | JeffM | but how are you building? |
| 23:40.08 | JeffM | from the command line or form xcode? |
| 23:40.14 | needhelp | using xcode |
| 23:40.33 | blast007 | did 2.4.2 have the new xcode project? |
| 23:40.39 | JeffM | nope |
| 23:40.43 | JeffM | it probalby won't work |
| 23:40.47 | blast007 | so, yeah... good luck with that |
| 23:40.56 | JeffM | apple changed a bunch of stuff and we had to redo our xcode proejct |
| 23:41.03 | JeffM | and that has not been released yet |
| 23:41.10 | JeffM | its in our SVN repository |
| 23:41.11 | needhelp | there was also a problem building through terminal |
| 23:41.16 | JeffM | ohh yeah there will be |
| 23:41.23 | needhelp | one second |
| 23:41.24 | JeffM | you can no longer build from the terminal in 10.8 |
| 23:41.25 | blast007 | just use the binary package |
| 23:41.45 | JeffM | apple removed a bunch of stuff |
| 23:41.45 | JeffM | so yeah the binary will be a LOT easer for you |
| 23:42.17 | JeffM | building on the mac before 2.4.3 generaly involves mystic socery |
| 23:42.37 | blast007 | should probably just rename the entire BZFlag directory under the user's Library directory |
| 23:42.50 | blast007 | permissions could be borked or something |
| 23:43.21 | needhelp | what about this post by psYchO |
| 23:43.22 | needhelp | http://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=11845&start=50 |
| 23:43.25 | JeffM | or smoothing may need to be turned off |
| 23:43.40 | JeffM | that's very old and dosn't work on 10.8 |
| 23:44.08 | JeffM | like I said, 10.8 and the current xcode broke our entire build system |
| 23:44.16 | JeffM | we just recently got it working again |
| 23:44.17 | needhelp | psYchO says: I have compiling working on OS X Mountain Lion (10.8 ), but with a bit of messing around. For anyone curious, here are the things I had to do. |
| 23:44.19 | JeffM | we had to redo the entire thing |
| 23:44.30 | Constitution | needhelp: get the latest SVN code if you are building on Mountain Lion |
| 23:44.33 | JeffM | yeah he added libs from other sources |
| 23:44.46 | JeffM | I would not recomend his sugestions |
| 23:44.52 | JeffM | they can mess up a system if you don't do it right |
| 23:45.02 | JeffM | SVN is really the only way to build on 10.8 that we can support |
| 23:45.13 | blast007 | Constitution: his issue is probably not going to be solved by compiling. he can't run the binary package. |
| 23:45.21 | JeffM | yeah |
| 23:45.31 | JeffM | needhelp, did you have bzflag working before you installed 10.8? |
| 23:45.40 | needhelp | yes |
| 23:45.55 | JeffM | then remove the config like blast says |
| 23:46.04 | JeffM | that should be your first thing to try |
| 23:46.08 | Constitution | did you get past the gatekeeper error of the "unverified developer"? |
| 23:46.08 | needhelp | all was reinstalled |
| 23:46.15 | JeffM | we don't have an install |
| 23:46.18 | needhelp | i deleted whole system |
| 23:46.28 | JeffM | and didn't move any of your data back over? |
| 23:46.38 | needhelp | no, i do not need that |
| 23:46.44 | needhelp | all is on Time Capsule actually |
| 23:46.51 | needhelp | so i can get it whenever i want |
| 23:46.53 | JeffM | so did time capsule put it back? |
| 23:46.57 | needhelp | no |
| 23:47.04 | JeffM | ok, then you may need to turn smoothing off |
| 23:47.10 | needhelp | Library is clear |
| 23:47.11 | JeffM | open the config and set smoothing to 0 |
| 23:47.20 | needhelp | ok |
| 23:47.29 | blast007 | which Library are you looking at? the one at the root of the drive, or the one for your user account? |
| 23:48.01 | JeffM | there is a build of the SVN version posted somewhere, you can also try that |
| 23:48.01 | JeffM | Constitution, where did you post that? |
| 23:48.04 | needhelp | drive > Library > Applivation support |
| 23:48.11 | blast007 | that's the wrong one |
| 23:48.14 | needhelp | Application* |
| 23:48.23 | blast007 | look in your home directory |
| 23:48.46 | Constitution | http://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=18428 |
| 23:48.58 | needhelp | there is only one Application Support folder on mac |
| 23:49.00 | Constitution | ~/Library/Application Support/BZFlag |
| 23:49.07 | needhelp | it's in Library folder |
| 23:49.11 | needhelp | and library is on drive.. |
| 23:49.36 | blast007 | there is more than one.. |
| 23:49.45 | Constitution | Library is hidden in your home directory? do Command-Shift-G, type "~/Library", and enter? that will get you there |
| 23:50.57 | needhelp | actually a lot of folder were hidden even on drive |
| 23:51.11 | needhelp | i had to remove this hiding stuff through terminal |
| 23:51.19 | needhelp | yes now i have it |
| 23:51.52 | needhelp | i dont see bzflag in there |
| 23:52.08 | needhelp | your link is damaged constitution |
| 23:52.18 | Constitution | to clarify, the issue is that it bounces in the dock and doesn't launch? |
| 23:52.24 | Constitution | oh |
| 23:52.28 | needhelp | yes |
| 23:52.34 | needhelp | already tried your link |
| 23:52.42 | needhelp | but it keep saying: The requested URL /beta/builds/2.4.x/MacOSX/BZFlag-2.4.3-20130302.zip was not found on this server. |
| 23:52.56 | allejo | any crash reports? |
| 23:53.02 | needhelp | no |
| 23:53.07 | Constitution | okay, did you try the official binary? |
| 23:53.29 | needhelp | if you mean |
| 23:53.31 | needhelp | http://bzflag.org/downloads |
| 23:53.40 | needhelp | and chosing Source Code |
| 23:53.43 | needhelp | then YES |
| 23:53.51 | JeffM | no we mean choosing the OSX build from that link |
| 23:53.54 | allejo | not the source code, the .app |
| 23:54.02 | needhelp | oh yes |
| 23:54.04 | JeffM | binary is not the same as source code |
| 23:54.10 | needhelp | yes sorry |
| 23:54.11 | blast007 | is it really this complicated? |
| 23:54.17 | JeffM | nope |
| 23:54.30 | JeffM | Constitution, your bin isn't hosted anywhere? |
| 23:54.34 | allejo | official binary == .app |
| 23:54.37 | blast007 | maybe I need to make the font bigger |
| 23:54.37 | needhelp | it's night here.. and i am a little bit sleepy, didnt notice binary |
| 23:54.40 | needhelp | i understand |
| 23:55.05 | allejo | needhelp, what happens when you try launching bz from the Terminal? |
| 23:55.05 | Constitution | http://sourceforge.net/projects/bzflag/files/bzflag%20Mac%20OS%20X/2.4.2/BZFlag-2.4.2.zip/download |
| 23:55.07 | blast007 | http://sourceforge.net/projects/bzflag/files/bzflag%20Mac%20OS%20X/2.4.2/BZFlag-2.4.2.zip/download <-- in case it's still not clear, this one. You tried this, and it just bounced in the dock? |
| 23:55.48 | Constitution | brlcad: can I no longer log into bz.bzflag.bz? |
| 23:55.59 | needhelp | yes |
| 23:56.00 | Constitution | also a beta I uploaded seems missing |
| 23:56.01 | needhelp | that one |
| 23:56.22 | blast007 | Constitution: maybe you had uploaded it to the old .bz server? |
| 23:56.51 | Constitution | I uploaded it to whatever bz.bzflag.bz pointed to at the time :P |
| 23:56.53 | allejo | needhelp, right click on the .app > Show Package Contents > MacOS. drag 'bzflag' into terminal and click enter. does anything appear? |
| 23:58.03 | Constitution | Contents/MacOS ;) |
| 23:58.24 | allejo | ^ what he said |
| 23:58.27 | allejo | lol |
| 23:59.21 | Constitution | not even sure why a package needs a folder called "Contents" to contain the uh? contents? of the package, rather than just putting the contents into the package |
| 23:59.52 | needhelp | macin:~ xxxxx$ /Users/xxxxxx/Downloads/BZFlag-2.4.2.app/Contents/MacOS/bzflag data path is "/Users/xxxxx/Downloads/BZFlag-2.4.2.app/Contents/Resources" |
| 23:59.55 | JeffM | sure, you could have other metadata that isn't part of the contents |