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| 00:15.34 | Snake12534 | I wanted to ask GU League Admins if I could create a team cup. |
| 00:16.09 | brad | ##guleague is probably best for this, snake |
| 00:16.16 | brad | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.29 | Snake12534 | ah ok |
| 00:16.49 | Snake12534 | sorry about that bzflag developers :P |
| 00:17.10 | JeffM | dude, again? |
| 00:17.46 | Snake12534 | JeffM : May I help you? :P |
| 00:18.02 | JeffM | probalby not |
| 00:24.26 | JeffM | in the end I think it's only a problem I can solve with /b |
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| 01:24.16 | allejo | +b* |
| 01:24.24 | allejo | unless /b is a client alias |
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| 03:02.50 | alpha1-2 | what are /b and b+? |
| 03:02.57 | alpha1-2 | +b* |
| 03:08.27 | blast007 | ban |
| 03:09.12 | alpha1-2 | and how can you use them? |
| 03:11.04 | blast007 | https://www.freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 03:11.27 | alpha1-2 | thanks |
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| 03:16.27 | alpha1-2 | I don't find my last chat lines in log of previous/actual day (they seems to be deleted), maybe they aren't useful for all... blast007: what svn packages have you installed? |
| 03:16.41 | blast007 | alpha1-2: subversion |
| 03:17.06 | alpha1-2 | ok, let me see |
| 03:18.02 | alpha1-2 | oh ok, then I have them installed already :) |
| 03:18.19 | alpha1-2 | I have forgotted then |
| 03:19.04 | alpha1-2 | any other package useful? I have subversion-perl too and no more |
| 03:19.15 | alpha1-2 | installed |
| 03:21.00 | alpha1-2 | GUI interfaces aren't much useful right? |
| 03:21.16 | blast007 | subversion is the one you want if you need to run the command I was showing you yesterday |
| 03:22.36 | alpha1-2 | ok, but I mean for developing some things, sometime |
| 03:23.03 | blast007 | on Windows I use a GUI tool, TortoiseSVN |
| 03:23.34 | alpha1-2 | ah yeah , I heared about it |
| 03:23.58 | alpha1-2 | do you use it for config all features right? |
| 03:24.19 | alpha1-2 | I understand that SVN is a very powerful system |
| 03:24.52 | alpha1-2 | not lik git that is minimized version let's say |
| 03:24.56 | alpha1-2 | like* |
| 03:25.24 | JeffM | they generaly do similar things in different ways |
| 03:26.30 | JeffM | svn is centralised git is distributed so they are inherently different at some levels |
| 03:26.43 | alpha1-2 | ok, I read that git is more easy to use and simplified, but SVN is very famous/powerful in other hand |
| 03:27.06 | alpha1-2 | oh ok |
| 03:27.21 | JeffM | not really they both have problems understanding and setting up :) |
| 03:27.38 | JeffM | people that use one tend to have strong opinions of the other |
| 03:27.51 | alpha1-2 | yeah, I guess so, it isn't something simple to do a CVS :) |
| 03:28.16 | JeffM | svn was built with the goal of being better then CVS in all ways |
| 03:28.27 | alpha1-2 | do you use TortoiseSVN too? |
| 03:28.30 | JeffM | git was built for different reasons, to replace bitkeeper |
| 03:28.33 | JeffM | if I am on windows |
| 03:28.53 | JeffM | if I am on another OS I will use a different client |
| 03:29.27 | alpha1-2 | "better *than*" do you mean? |
| 03:30.23 | JeffM | CVS sucks, tags were a mess etc.. SVN was built to replace CVS and do the same tasks in a better, more stable, and cleaner way |
| 03:31.39 | alpha1-2 | ok, I have to learn more about all :P |
| 03:32.09 | JeffM | it's just a tool we currently use, we may change tools later |
| 03:32.24 | JeffM | command line svn is pretty easy and well documented |
| 03:32.35 | JeffM | svn checkout an svn up are what most users use |
| 03:32.53 | JeffM | then svn diff if you make patches |
| 03:34.01 | alpha1-2 | ok, I was using git a few then I can understand more or less |
| 03:34.27 | JeffM | checkout == clone, update == pull |
| 03:34.45 | JeffM | commit == commit + push to master |
| 03:35.01 | alpha1-2 | with "centralized" do you mean that I don't need to "copy" (clone in git) all the code locally? |
| 03:35.18 | JeffM | no I mean there is only one repository |
| 03:35.32 | JeffM | when you checkout a copy of the code localy, you don't have history |
| 03:35.35 | JeffM | just the code you got |
| 03:35.43 | JeffM | so you can't make local commits and push them later |
| 03:35.48 | JeffM | there can be only one! |
| 03:37.32 | alpha1-2 | ohh I need some time fr understand, don't worry and... |
| 03:38.26 | alpha1-2 | just tell me if it would be useful to install aome GUI tool and for what? |
| 03:38.35 | alpha1-2 | some* |
| 03:38.47 | alpha1-2 | any* |
| 03:38.50 | JeffM | I could not recomend anything with out knowing what you are going to be using SVN for |
| 03:39.26 | alpha1-2 | ok, then, just console commands :) |
| 03:39.54 | JeffM | that's what most linux users use |
| 03:39.57 | khonkhortisan | I use cmake-gui but not gitg |
| 03:40.07 | JeffM | are you just going to check out bzflag and build it? |
| 03:41.21 | alpha1-2 | I say in potentially way for do some code in th future |
| 03:41.44 | JeffM | how good are you at C++ ? |
| 03:43.10 | alpha1-2 | well :) I know C/C++ let's say... how could I show my knowledge ? :) |
| 03:43.41 | JeffM | if you are familiar with programing then the SVN commands should be very easy to pick up |
| 03:43.53 | JeffM | checkout, update, and diff are really what you'll need to start |
| 03:44.00 | JeffM | since you'd be making patches first |
| 03:44.30 | alpha1-2 | if I undersand well, only "official developers" should use SVN? |
| 03:44.40 | JeffM | no |
| 03:44.44 | JeffM | lots of people use it |
| 03:44.55 | JeffM | most server owners use it to get the current code |
| 03:45.10 | JeffM | only accepted developers can commit directly to the repository |
| 03:45.16 | alpha1-2 | the unstable code do you mean? |
| 03:45.25 | JeffM | we don't call it that, but sure |
| 03:45.30 | L4m3r | unstable as opposed to what? XD |
| 03:45.43 | khonkhortisan | you use svn/git/make/configure/anything else to become an official developer |
| 03:45.48 | JeffM | it's our trunk, the code that has not been released yet but will be in the next release |
| 03:45.53 | L4m3r | (kidding of course, bzfs is pretty stable) |
| 03:46.16 | JeffM | we do not use debian's stable, testing, unstable style of releases |
| 03:46.35 | alpha1-2 | ok, MAINT then? |
| 03:46.42 | JeffM | we do not use that ether |
| 03:46.43 | mebigfatguy | trunk |
| 03:46.50 | JeffM | we are not debian |
| 03:46.51 | khonkhortisan | we use the wait-as-long-as-we-can-before-breaking-protocol style |
| 03:47.03 | JeffM | we only work on one thing at a time really |
| 03:47.07 | L4m3r | stable/devel |
| 03:47.10 | JeffM | when we work on things |
| 03:47.27 | JeffM | not even that L4m3r we don't have a stable channel we update, there is dev and past releases |
| 03:47.41 | JeffM | and very little testing :) |
| 03:47.59 | mebigfatguy | (which is why it's stable) :) |
| 03:48.01 | L4m3r | don't the "official" builds get tagged "stable" in the version string? |
| 03:48.13 | JeffM | I though it was REL |
| 03:48.16 | JeffM | but maybe |
| 03:48.29 | JeffM | it's a horrible word to use, it implies a QA step |
| 03:48.47 | L4m3r | hahaha |
| 03:48.56 | L4m3r | hm, 2.4.2 is MAINT |
| 03:48.57 | alpha1-2 | I have both version running: STABLE (2.4.0) and MAINT (2.4.2) |
| 03:48.58 | JeffM | it's been a while since we did a build so I forgot |
| 03:49.03 | JeffM | k |
| 03:49.14 | JeffM | well those names don't really mean anything |
| 03:49.19 | alpha1-2 | a little old though |
| 03:49.39 | JeffM | we haven't made anything newer since that |
| 03:50.00 | L4m3r | I like "REL" though, that sounds more appropriate |
| 03:50.05 | mebigfatguy | you'll have to wait for some day in december to release ... forget what the day is, exactly |
| 03:50.55 | alpha1-2 | oh ok right 2.4.2 is the last one :P |
| 03:51.23 | JeffM | the one we made just to get a debian package out |
| 03:51.25 | alpha1-2 | I use STABLE becase I have some very little problems I think with the last |
| 03:51.39 | JeffM | the 2 versions are nearly identical |
| 03:52.26 | blast007 | 2.4.2 is less buggy |
| 03:53.00 | alpha1-2 | I saw some few new features in the MENU for example in the last one |
| 03:54.21 | alpha1-2 | but, if I checked it enough, I found some little frizzing while I was playing, then I changed to 2.4.0 again.... but maybe I have to check it again with more time |
| 03:55.08 | alpha1-2 | apart I saw MAINT word and I thought: "maybe it is in maintenaince/developing still" |
| 03:55.29 | alpha1-2 | I mean, non stable still |
| 03:55.55 | blast007 | yeah, I hate frizzing, and other undescriptive problems. |
| 03:56.02 | JeffM | 2.4.2 is a few bug fixes to 2.4.0 and we just bumped the version number so debian games team would be happy |
| 03:56.30 | JeffM | development verisons would end in 3,5, 7,9 |
| 03:56.39 | JeffM | 0 2 4 6 8 are releases |
| 03:56.41 | alpha1-2 | blast007: are you making a joke? :) |
| 03:57.15 | JeffM | he's dead seious |
| 03:57.38 | blast007 | no, game clients forming tight curls is a serious issue. |
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| 03:59.08 | alpha1-2 | :D I don't unedrstand what you mean blast007 but no problem I am still a begginer here |
| 04:00.02 | alpha1-2 | ok JeffM I have to check the MAINT version again then (whatever MAINT means (joke)) |
| 04:00.11 | khonkhortisan | frizzing is curling your hair |
| 04:00.18 | khonkhortisan | blast doesn't know what you mean |
| 04:00.19 | alpha1-2 | ha ha |
| 04:00.20 | blast007 | it's just a meaningless tag for the most part |
| 04:00.34 | alpha1-2 | oh ok I got the idea |
| 04:00.39 | JeffM | if you are getting svn just build trunk |
| 04:00.43 | JeffM | many people run it |
| 04:00.53 | khonkhortisan | ^ me too |
| 04:01.03 | khonkhortisan | as if I wasn't included in "many people" |
| 04:01.44 | alpha1-2 | I meant some frozen screen movement (in 3D engine) ... you know that I don't hold English too good ;) |
| 04:01.56 | JeffM | what video card do you have? |
| 04:02.20 | blast007 | there's minimal differences between 2.4.0 and 2.4.2 |
| 04:02.37 | blast007 | the main reason for us releasing 2.4.2 was for Debian |
| 04:02.56 | JeffM | done said that already |
| 04:03.04 | blast007 | yah |
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| 04:03.31 | alpha1-2 | ok, don't be angry please :O |
| 04:03.52 | blast007 | Snake12534: you realize that you don't have to join #bzflag, right? You don't have to join any channel. |
| 04:03.57 | alpha1-2 | I don't hold the "patience" feature of this chat still :) |
| 04:04.18 | Snake12534 | blast007 : Yes. |
| 04:04.42 | Snake12534 | blast007 : I just joined here because I goto bz strayers < bzchat < and just type in my username |
| 04:05.05 | Snake12534 | blast007 : it automatically says on the channel : ##bzflag :) |
| 04:05.14 | JeffM | use a real client |
| 04:05.24 | alpha1-2 | but thanks for all anyways... was I bothering? can I do some few more questions still? have I permission still' :) |
| 04:05.33 | alpha1-2 | ? |
| 04:05.42 | JeffM | go for it |
| 04:05.58 | Snake12534 | JeffM : I like to use the web browser freenode. |
| 04:06.10 | alpha1-2 | do you use GUI tool for... config all maybe? |
| 04:06.12 | JeffM | Snake12534, then type in the correct channel |
| 04:06.24 | JeffM | alpha1-2, for what config? the game config? |
| 04:06.31 | alpha1-2 | no, svn GUI tool |
| 04:06.51 | blast007 | Snake12534: then use this instead: https://webchat.freenode.net/ (same thing strayer uses, but doesn't fill in a channel by default) |
| 04:07.04 | JeffM | most people don't on linux, since they are used to the command line |
| 04:07.07 | JeffM | but many exist |
| 04:07.12 | JeffM | you are welcome to try them |
| 04:07.43 | alpha1-2 | ok, and in windows you use Tortoise because it hasn't a good command line client then? |
| 04:07.57 | blast007 | no, because tortoisesvn is awesome |
| 04:08.04 | JeffM | yeah |
| 04:08.16 | JeffM | you can get a command line client, just tort is much cooler and easier to use |
| 04:08.18 | blast007 | integrates into the shell so that you can right click on files/folders to work with subversion |
| 04:08.41 | JeffM | yeah, most linux graphical shells are just applications that you use they don't integrate into the OS |
| 04:09.58 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 04:10.44 | alpha1-2 | then you dn't use it for config all supposed features (like any useful MySQL GUI client) |
| 04:11.02 | JeffM | no, those are very different softwares |
| 04:11.06 | JeffM | and have very different uses |
| 04:11.17 | JeffM | the svn client is suposed to be very simple |
| 04:11.24 | JeffM | svn co, svn up, |
| 04:11.27 | alpha1-2 | yes, I know, I mean abou complexity for configurate a lot of supposed features |
| 04:11.36 | JeffM | that's on the server side |
| 04:11.49 | JeffM | you do not need to know about the server config to use svn |
| 04:11.54 | blast007 | alpha1-2: what configuration are you talking about? |
| 04:12.12 | JeffM | just like you don't need to know how google is setup internaly to search for something |
| 04:12.26 | alpha1-2 | oh ok, I was missed then :P..... comparating with SQL server |
| 04:12.34 | alpha1-2 | you are right |
| 04:12.43 | JeffM | that is not a valid comparison |
| 04:12.46 | alpha1-2 | phew, less wondering then :) |
| 04:12.58 | JeffM | just TRY it, don't worry about it till you have a problem |
| 04:13.06 | blast007 | comparing a car and a toaster oven |
| 04:13.34 | JeffM | comparing a car to an airport |
| 04:13.54 | blast007 | no, it's not even that close of a comparison ;) |
| 04:13.57 | alpha1-2 | yeah, blast007, I am a completely ignorant righ :P ? |
| 04:14.07 | JeffM | they both contain databsases of sorts ;) |
| 04:14.28 | blast007 | and you can put stuff in both a car and a toaster oven |
| 04:14.34 | alpha1-2 | please don't subestimate people too much ;) |
| 04:14.35 | JeffM | I was trying to think of something that was a user thing and something that was a server thing |
| 04:15.30 | alpha1-2 | ok, ok, well hanks fr all now :) |
| 04:15.34 | alpha1-2 | thanks* |
| 04:15.40 | JeffM | just do a svn co for bzflag and see how it goes |
| 04:15.48 | JeffM | the info is on the wiki |
| 04:15.52 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 04:16.13 | alpha1-2 | and have you say me that the first thing I could do is a patch right? |
| 04:16.33 | JeffM | the first thing you shoul do is build |
| 04:16.39 | JeffM | then learn the code |
| 04:16.45 | JeffM | then you can think about a patch |
| 04:16.46 | alpha1-2 | I have built 2 versios already |
| 04:16.50 | JeffM | ok |
| 04:16.53 | JeffM | then learn the code |
| 04:17.02 | JeffM | and if you want to make a change, submit it as a patch |
| 04:17.07 | JeffM | you don't have rights to do anything else |
| 04:17.29 | alpha1-2 | oh ok I remember, then you can see it and decide if it is relevant/correct right? :) |
| 04:17.40 | JeffM | among other things, but yes |
| 04:18.25 | alpha1-2 | ok, well, thaks for all :) |
| 04:18.31 | alpha1-2 | thanks+ |
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| 06:47.26 | Notify | 03BZFlag:Allejo * 8688 /Bz_eCaptureEven: Updated example code |
| 06:47.42 | allejo | that was quick... |
| 06:48.19 | Notify | 03BZFlag:Allejo * 8689 /Bz_eCaptureEven: oops... typo |
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| 07:35.13 | alpha1-2 | allejo |
| 07:37.59 | allejo | ? |
| 07:38.24 | alpha1-2 | how was your test server finally? successful? |
| 07:39.31 | allejo | yea, had to fix a bug, i haven'ted checked if it was successful after i fixed it |
| 07:40.19 | alpha1-2 | this one? /Bz_eCaptureEven: Updated example code |
| 07:41.50 | allejo | ah yea. seems there was one successful match after I patched the plugin. Loki vs Ice 7-2 |
| 07:41.56 | allejo | oh that? nah that's the wiki edit I made |
| 07:42.10 | allejo | my code is over here: https://github.com/allejo/leagueOverSeer |
| 07:42.42 | alpha1-2 | i watched that match :) |
| 07:42.57 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 07:43.10 | alpha1-2 | and all good or something bad? |
| 07:44.13 | allejo | seems like everything went well |
| 07:44.46 | allejo | server logs and web server logs don't show any errors and the test site has the new match entered |
| 07:45.27 | alpha1-2 | I wanted to see the test site if it is possible |
| 07:45.39 | alpha1-2 | but nobody knows it |
| 07:45.48 | allejo | allejo.moooo.org |
| 07:46.11 | alpha1-2 | wow |
| 07:46.13 | allejo | if you look under matches, it'll show one match entered by "autoreport" |
| 07:46.19 | alpha1-2 | yeah |
| 07:46.40 | alpha1-2 | congrats! |
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| 07:47.01 | alpha1-2 | but it is the only one? |
| 07:47.39 | allejo | thank you. and it's been the only one reported since the last database update |
| 07:47.57 | alpha1-2 | ah ok :) |
| 07:48.13 | alpha1-2 | som qustions |
| 07:48.19 | alpha1-2 | ah my "e" fails |
| 07:48.29 | alpha1-2 | usb kb |
| 07:48.43 | alpha1-2 | its more slowly than me :) |
| 07:48.48 | alpha1-2 | slower* |
| 07:49.09 | alpha1-2 | ehhh |
| 07:49.14 | alpha1-2 | let me remember |
| 07:49.28 | alpha1-2 | what will happend with mottos? |
| 07:50.22 | allejo | what do you mean? mottos are set to the team names when a player joins the server, it doesn't change it on a player's client |
| 07:52.25 | alpha1-2 | I dont understand.... I mean when u join and before u out a motto like "I am the best", then? |
| 07:52.31 | alpha1-2 | put* |
| 07:54.16 | allejo | it's an event in the bzfs api. a player connects to the server. my plugin gets the player's bzid, checks database for motto. if motto is found, it replaces a player's motto, if not it sets the motto to nothing |
| 07:55.03 | allejo | my plugin will override anything a player puts in the motto, so the server is using my modified motto instead of the one you specified |
| 07:55.28 | alpha1-2 | ok, do you mean the team name right? |
| 07:55.31 | allejo | yea |
| 07:56.12 | alpha1-2 | ok, it will be this way in the future or do you think do other thing about it? |
| 07:56.48 | allejo | once gu league uses this plugin on all the servers, team names will appear on the mottos |
| 07:57.24 | alpha1-2 | ok, well, I thought add team name + motto but maybe it will be much words no? |
| 07:57.51 | alpha1-2 | and it will bother the view |
| 07:57.53 | allejo | yea it'll be too crowded on the scoreboard |
| 07:58.23 | alpha1-2 | ok, other qustion |
| 07:58.28 | alpha1-2 | question* |
| 07:58.38 | allejo | besides, mottos aren't really useful so give them a useful purpose ;) |
| 07:59.51 | alpha1-2 | well :) just for details..... what did brad say about all? |
| 08:00.19 | allejo | about what? |
| 08:00.19 | alpha1-2 | is he happy? |
| 08:00.50 | allejo | he's mad at me because i've been having him to actual real life work |
| 08:01.03 | allejo | although that's just because he's lazy |
| 08:01.05 | allejo | :P |
| 08:01.53 | alpha1-2 | actual real life work? |
| 08:03.05 | allejo | he doesn't know what it's like to actually do things. so he's mad i've been having him update my database |
| 08:03.13 | allejo | ~brad++ |
| 08:03.44 | alpha1-2 | well done, teach him to work he he |
| 08:04.37 | alpha1-2 | (but I don't know him enough though :P) |
| 08:05.08 | alpha1-2 | ok, then , all ready for the change? :) |
| 08:06.41 | allejo | i'm hoping for a few more test matches and then i'll have brad get to work on loading the plugin on his servers and using the gu database instead of a test one etc. etc. |
| 08:08.16 | alpha1-2 | ok.... let m know if i understood all... all you did was make a server plugin that offer certain features to a match |
| 08:08.31 | alpha1-2 | i saw the commands |
| 08:08.56 | alpha1-2 | and it uses the gu web site for some things too |
| 08:09.05 | alpha1-2 | read and write |
| 08:09.22 | alpha1-2 | (ahh I remember other question) |
| 08:09.47 | allejo | pretty much |
| 08:10.22 | allejo | well, i also wrote the web server half so my plugin can communicate with the league web site |
| 08:11.08 | alpha1-2 | ok web server right |
| 08:11.21 | alpha1-2 | pretty much? what do you mean? |
| 08:13.22 | allejo | that's pretty much all my plugin does lol handles official and fun matches, reports official matches to it's php counterpart to enter the match on the league site, read the data sent back from the league site and output on the server |
| 08:13.51 | allejo | oh and it handles mottos too |
| 08:14.18 | allejo | and it has a probably unused feature of /spawn where you can grant players spawn rights |
| 08:15.25 | alpha1-2 | ok great |
| 08:15.42 | alpha1-2 | when you use the Elo formule |
| 08:15.46 | alpha1-2 | ELO |
| 08:15.57 | alpha1-2 | do you do a rounded number? |
| 08:16.15 | allejo | yea I round down |
| 08:16.25 | alpha1-2 | all down ? |
| 08:16.39 | allejo | i round down to the nearest whole number |
| 08:17.01 | allejo | 7.1 -> 7 and 7.7 -> 7 |
| 08:17.02 | alpha1-2 | ok, I mean 10,2 to 10; 10,5 to 10 and 10, 8 to 10? |
| 08:17.14 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 08:17.34 | alpha1-2 | isn't that a bug? |
| 08:17.44 | alpha1-2 | (i saw that before) |
| 08:17.55 | allejo | nope |
| 08:18.12 | alpha1-2 | how cn be the same 10,1 than 10,9 for example |
| 08:18.15 | alpha1-2 | can* |
| 08:18.17 | allejo | the gu site always rounds down so that's what i'm doing with my plugin also |
| 08:18.43 | allejo | i'm purposely rounding down using floor(), it's not a bug |
| 08:18.43 | alpha1-2 | yes I noticed about it and I was hinking that it can be a bug |
| 08:19.15 | alpha1-2 | I mean an error for the formule applied |
| 08:21.33 | alpha1-2 | again, how could be the same 10,1 than 10,9 for example... (u arent the gulty :) I never used it at university but maybe it is allowed by any not known reason by me |
| 08:22.18 | allejo | they're not the same. when you round a number it doesn't mean you're keeping the same number |
| 08:23.07 | allejo | i'm assuming rounding down keeps things fair, calculation wise for ELOs |
| 08:23.30 | alpha1-2 | yes, but, have you anytime in your real life (studies or work) rounded a number to down? |
| 08:23.43 | allejo | yea |
| 08:24.09 | allejo | 1st grade when i was first learning about rounding decimals |
| 08:24.43 | alpha1-2 | well, guy, you are talking about FIRST GRADE he he |
| 08:24.59 | alpha1-2 | I mean high school, college, etc |
| 08:25.54 | allejo | sure |
| 08:26.00 | allejo | have you ever gone bowling? |
| 08:26.22 | allejo | when you calculate your score for bowling, you always round down to the nearest integer |
| 08:26.40 | alpha1-2 | I think that it wouln't be something fair, because 10,1 isn't the same that 10,9.... we always in Uni rounded that numbers from 10,5 to 11 |
| 08:28.06 | alpha1-2 | apart in strayer web page they use my system for runding numbers |
| 08:28.14 | alpha1-2 | rounding* |
| 08:28.21 | alpha1-2 | it is the most common I think |
| 08:28.32 | alpha1-2 | part in the half |
| 08:28.34 | allejo | it's not yours :P and yea it is the most common rounding habit |
| 08:28.48 | alpha1-2 | divide* |
| 08:28.55 | allejo | huh |
| 08:29.07 | alpha1-2 | divide in the half 0,5 |
| 08:29.28 | alpha1-2 | I dont mean MY system , I mean the system I USE :) |
| 08:29.36 | alpha1-2 | ALL USE |
| 08:29.37 | allejo | although if you want to get into technicality, i don't think rounding down actually exists, you just basically remove the fraction |
| 08:30.43 | alpha1-2 | yeah I understand |
| 08:30.53 | alpha1-2 | it is something ridicoulus I thunk :P |
| 08:31.17 | alpha1-2 | ridiculous* |
| 08:31.23 | alpha1-2 | he he |
| 08:31.42 | alpha1-2 | well... it would be a good task for do :) |
| 08:31.52 | alpha1-2 | but wait |
| 08:31.59 | alpha1-2 | if it is now auto |
| 08:32.09 | alpha1-2 | it is a good moment for the change too! |
| 08:32.22 | alpha1-2 | it will be more fair! |
| 08:32.32 | alpha1-2 | will would be |
| 08:32.54 | alpha1-2 | what do you think sleeping users?? |
| 08:33.19 | alpha1-2 | would be* sry |
| 08:33.20 | allejo | just think about it this way. if you round down, the losing team will be able to keep that extra ELO point so it's to their advantage :P |
| 08:33.40 | allejo | and i really don't see why it's such a big deal lol |
| 08:34.12 | alpha1-2 | why not? |
| 08:34.39 | alpha1-2 | I did some calcutes and in some cases you have 1 more point |
| 08:34.43 | alpha1-2 | then think |
| 08:34.51 | alpha1-2 | 1 + 1 +1 +1 +1 +1 |
| 08:35.05 | alpha1-2 | since the max point score for a match 30 min is 50 |
| 08:35.16 | allejo | it's a fraction of an ELO meaning the team hasn't earned that extra point, so why would they deserve to have that extra point, just because they were close doesn't mean they deserve it |
| 08:35.17 | alpha1-2 | 1 point COUNT |
| 08:36.31 | alpha1-2 | have you used probabilities anytime? |
| 08:37.03 | allejo | go take this whole rounding thing with the GU council. ask brad, he should know |
| 08:37.12 | allejo | i'm just following their calculations |
| 08:37.15 | allejo | is off to sleep |
| 08:37.34 | alpha1-2 | ok, np, :), but well done anyways :D |
| 08:37.51 | allejo | ~nag brad and brad` |
| 08:37.51 | ibot | ACTION takes brad and brad` to a child day care and gives all the children poking sticks |
| 08:37.52 | alpha1-2 | it will be very useful plugin |
| 08:38.29 | alpha1-2 | he he i dont understand all though :) |
| 08:38.43 | alpha1-2 | i will PM brad then night |
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