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| 05:31.31 | BulletCatcher | Writing correct code is *hard*. |
| 05:31.40 | BulletCatcher | I just found an array overrun in a less-than-100-line C program I first wrote in 1986 (for a 16-bit computer) and still use occasionally. |
| 05:31.42 | BulletCatcher | Updating it to use std::vector will make that kind of problem go away. |
| 05:32.06 | JeffM | heh |
| 05:40.33 | mebigfatguy | lets hope you've recompiled it since |
| 05:49.08 | BulletCatcher | :-) |
| 05:49.31 | BulletCatcher | I haven't been in the presence of a working PDP-11 in a looong time. |
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| 16:45.23 | JeffM | any traction on DNS ? |
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| 16:51.18 | blast007 | same as it was yesterday |
| 16:52.53 | swigg_ | I'll fix it |
| 16:56.10 | JeffM | so what name do we pick for forking? |
| 16:57.37 | khonkhortisan | bzflaggy zbflag flagzeebee bzf-lag |
| 16:57.48 | blast007 | no, serious names |
| 16:58.00 | blast007 | cuz we are giving it serious thought |
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| 16:58.34 | khonkhortisan | what kind of fork? |
| 16:58.57 | JeffM | one that removes some current limitations on infrastructure |
| 16:59.27 | khonkhortisan | I'll read that as protocol break and then some |
| 16:59.32 | JeffM | sure |
| 17:00.21 | blast007 | protocol break, new service URLs, new name |
| 17:00.28 | khonkhortisan | cool stuff |
| 17:00.30 | JeffM | fancy new logo |
| 17:00.35 | blast007 | polar bears |
| 17:00.39 | blast007 | with chainsaws |
| 17:03.17 | JeffM | best would be one with a proper domain name |
| 17:05.40 | blast007 | would be nice to have a .com and an .org, and then have a differently named .net to show it's unofficial. We could throw the .net on freedns.afraid.org and let people create and manage their own hostnames there. |
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| 17:06.09 | JeffM | is that even needed? let them get there own domain name |
| 17:06.22 | blast007 | *shrugs* |
| 17:06.52 | blast007 | ducati league, for instance, uses a bzflag.net one right now |
| 17:07.14 | blast007 | but yeah, there are plenty of hostnames to pick from already |
| 17:07.14 | JeffM | yeah but that's kind of a hold over from when domains were super expensive |
| 17:10.59 | Rounin | 7zflag :P |
| 17:11.23 | Rounin | What do I win |
| 17:12.33 | JeffM | SillyTankGame is still available |
| 17:16.22 | JeffM | GLTanks is open |
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| 17:20.53 | JeffM | rollingthunderonline but that coould conflict with a play by email service |
| 17:26.47 | tw1sted | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.53 | blast007 | problem with GLTanks is that we might not always use OpenGL :) |
| 17:27.21 | JeffM | GL will be used on some platform for a long while :) |
| 17:27.33 | blast007 | but what about the xbox port! ;) |
| 17:27.34 | JeffM | BZFlag2: The Rekoning |
| 17:27.38 | JeffM | gets his gun |
| 17:28.36 | JeffM | console port would have to be a seperate project no mater what |
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| 17:30.01 | JeffM | damn.. mortalwombat.com is taken |
| 17:30.04 | blast007 | the name should probably be one or uncommon (or made up) two words |
| 17:30.13 | blast007 | oops |
| 17:30.26 | blast007 | move that "two" after the "or" :P |
| 17:30.35 | JeffM | SlapdashUnderpants |
| 17:30.57 | blast007 | well ... you'd be guaranteed the #1 spot on google.. :P |
| 17:31.35 | blast007 | or maybe not |
| 17:32.58 | JeffM | heh |
| 17:34.34 | JeffM | epexegesis |
| 17:36.58 | blast007 | we could one up World of Tanks, call ourselves Universe of Tanks, and then add space travel :P |
| 17:37.10 | JeffM | or scale it back |
| 17:37.16 | JeffM | CountyOfTanks |
| 17:37.20 | tw1sted | town of tanks |
| 17:37.30 | JeffM | MunicipalityOfTanks |
| 17:37.33 | blast007 | house of tanks |
| 17:37.37 | tw1sted | kitchen of tanks |
| 17:37.45 | blast007 | bag of tanks |
| 17:37.50 | JeffM | TankBoxXL |
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| 17:39.00 | tw1sted | tankflag is available |
| 17:39.11 | tw1sted | is terrible at finding names |
| 17:39.16 | JeffM | thre would be no need to use flag |
| 17:39.28 | blast007 | the "flag" part is kinda silly, since we may go with real powerup models eventually |
| 17:39.35 | JeffM | honeslty I'd like to replace the flags with powerups and leave flags as CTF |
| 17:39.35 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:40.07 | blast007 | or if we still want the "surprise", then have them be some unclear 3D powerup model |
| 17:40.17 | blast007 | s/unclear/generic/ |
| 17:40.23 | JeffM | it's called a "Crate" |
| 17:40.33 | blast007 | :) |
| 17:40.35 | JeffM | and we charge you 0.99$ for the key |
| 17:41.21 | JeffM | AtomicTanks is available :) |
| 17:41.28 | blast007 | ooo |
| 17:41.40 | JeffM | also SuperAtomicTanks |
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| 17:41.59 | blast007 | there is an Atomic Tanks on SF though (the 'atanks' project name) |
| 17:42.09 | JeffM | do we keep SF? |
| 17:42.15 | blast007 | and they already have a portable app version of it |
| 17:42.19 | JeffM | ahh |
| 17:42.27 | JeffM | then we would have to be SUPER Atomic Tanks |
| 17:42.58 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:43.52 | JeffM | SuperBattleMachine.com |
| 17:44.08 | blast007 | heh |
| 17:44.21 | JeffM | makes it easy to add other tank types later |
| 17:44.28 | JeffM | and we can call it SBM |
| 17:44.44 | blast007 | not to be confused with SMB (super mario brothers) ;) |
| 17:44.50 | JeffM | SHHHHHHHHHH |
| 17:45.07 | blast007 | well.. or Server Message Block |
| 17:45.10 | swigg | TankWorld BzFrag |
| 17:46.34 | JeffM | SteelJudgement |
| 17:47.13 | Rounin | I didn't quite get what would be different about the game, though... Something about infrastructure? |
| 17:47.23 | swigg | The name |
| 17:47.29 | Rounin | Ah, the name eh |
| 17:47.38 | JeffM | how it was managed, the domains and services it used |
| 17:47.44 | JeffM | the direction |
| 17:47.51 | swigg | www.JeffM-is-a-genius-tankbattle.com |
| 17:48.27 | Rounin | Hm... SOunds like something that could almost go into the config file, though |
| 17:48.46 | Rounin | alternative_directory_url=bzflag.jef.fm |
| 17:50.00 | blast007 | Rounin: except I'm hosting it, and there's no .007 TLD |
| 17:50.02 | blast007 | ;) |
| 17:50.37 | Rounin | Aw ;) |
| 17:50.48 | JeffM | just name it Denis |
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| 17:56.44 | JeffM | BattleMachineArena |
| 17:58.48 | JeffM | SteelReckoning |
| 18:01.01 | tw1sted | TankReckoning is available |
| 18:01.10 | JeffM | Defactotankgame |
| 18:01.29 | swigg | Is it not simply possible to just buy the danged copyright? |
| 18:01.35 | JeffM | no |
| 18:01.38 | JeffM | we have asked |
| 18:02.05 | swigg | did the original author retain any rights? |
| 18:02.10 | JeffM | nope |
| 18:02.17 | swigg | I seem to remember there being 2 guys |
| 18:02.22 | JeffM | nope |
| 18:02.38 | swigg | well the one I talked to was not chris schoneman |
| 18:02.43 | swigg | and lives in Canada |
| 18:02.55 | swigg | and works for pixar |
| 18:02.59 | JeffM | and he didn't write BZFlag, he wrote BZ |
| 18:03.03 | JeffM | chris works at pixar |
| 18:03.11 | JeffM | another guy wrote another game called "BZ" |
| 18:03.13 | JeffM | they are not related |
| 18:03.31 | swigg | this guy goes by the callsign 'The woo' |
| 18:03.40 | JeffM | well he didn't write the codebase we have |
| 18:03.43 | swigg | maybe it was chris then |
| 18:04.07 | JeffM | he transfered the entire thing when it went open source |
| 18:05.37 | Rounin | Has the development of bzflag stopped, though? Or are you planning to continually incorporate changes from the original? |
| 18:05.43 | Rounin | Sounds like a lot of trouble just to change some servers |
| 18:10.57 | JeffM | ABetterTankGame |
| 18:12.48 | swigg | www.TimRikerFlag.com |
| 18:13.40 | Rounin | Fantankstic |
| 18:14.15 | Rounin | Battlespawn |
| 18:14.27 | JeffM | battlespam! |
| 18:14.44 | JeffM | but not SpamBattle, that's something TOTALY different |
| 18:14.48 | Rounin | Haha |
| 18:17.37 | blast007 | Rounin: development would likely shift to the new name. Websites would redirect to the new URL. Only thing that would continue to work as-is would be my.bzflag.org so that BZFlag keeps working |
| 18:19.39 | JeffM | VivaLaTanks |
| 18:21.23 | JeffM | SteelJudgement 1.2 The Rekoning |
| 18:22.35 | JeffM | MakeWithTheTankGame |
| 18:25.47 | Rounin | bzrabbit |
| 18:25.48 | JeffM | so what we can we narrow this down to? |
| 18:26.08 | tw1sted | JeffMHasALotOfIdeas.com |
| 18:26.40 | JeffM | I'm doing a regression test and am kinda boored |
| 18:28.39 | Rounin | BanZaiFlag |
| 18:28.45 | Rounin | Not deceptively similar at all |
| 18:29.01 | JeffM | probalby should have kept OpenCombat |
| 18:29.20 | Rounin | That's not at all bad :D |
| 18:29.21 | JeffM | could probalby buy it back for some price |
| 18:29.32 | JeffM | yeah except that I lost it |
| 18:29.42 | JeffM | decided not to renew since I only had the .net |
| 18:30.07 | blast007 | BankaiFlag, now with Zanpakuto! |
| 18:30.31 | JeffM | makes with the lunching |
| 19:27.06 | JeffM | so what's our list so far? |
| 19:30.22 | tw1sted | i think SlapdashUnderpants was by far the best |
| 19:30.47 | JeffM | SlapdashUnderpants : Promethius Unbound |
| 19:30.57 | tw1sted | perfect |
| 19:32.22 | tw1sted | AtomicTanks was good, but you mentioned theres already a project for it on SF |
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| 19:37.10 | swigg | This was another great tank game: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_7 |
| 19:38.54 | swigg | Ya know, in addition to rabbit chase, CTF and FFA, an arcade mode would be a neat thing for BZ |
| 19:39.12 | swigg | I guess someone could make a custom server for that |
| 19:39.12 | JeffM | you mean a tutorial?;) |
| 19:39.37 | swigg | No; I mean along the lines of the original BattleZone or Stellar 7 |
| 19:39.50 | JeffM | you could do that with the tutorial features |
| 19:39.58 | swigg | great for practice and offline play |
| 19:39.58 | JeffM | but bzflag has always been a multiplayer game |
| 19:41.02 | tw1sted | but SlapdashUnderpants might have a single player mode! |
| 19:41.06 | swigg | is it possible to make a world that wraps around to infinity? |
| 19:41.14 | JeffM | huh? |
| 19:41.45 | swigg | no walls; the tank stays stationary and the world moves relative to the tank |
| 19:41.59 | JeffM | a sphere world |
| 19:42.03 | JeffM | tht's harder to do |
| 19:42.07 | JeffM | but you can code anything |
| 19:42.14 | JeffM | it's all just math |
| 19:42.25 | swigg | would the game physics allow it? |
| 19:42.29 | JeffM | no |
| 19:42.47 | JeffM | you'd have to change the game to work in a spherical space and convert to orthonormal for display |
| 19:42.49 | swigg | Ok; so not possible as of yet |
| 19:42.52 | khonkhortisan | tanks wouldn't be locked to the vertical axis anymore |
| 19:43.05 | JeffM | yeah you'd have to do all kinds of math |
| 19:43.10 | JeffM | but it's known math |
| 20:24.43 | JeffM | so what list do we have, we'll make a form to get some votes |
| 20:28.03 | swigg | don't forget the write ins! |
| 20:28.23 | JeffM | yeah I'm adding an "other" |
| 20:29.51 | tw1sted | GLTanks, countertank, SlapdashUnderpants, AtomicTanks, Super Atomic Tanks, SuperBattleMachine, SteelJudgement, BattleMachineArena, SteelReckoning, TankReckoning, Battlespawn |
| 20:29.58 | tw1sted | just copy pasting from the early convo |
| 20:30.38 | swigg | No OpenCombat? |
| 20:30.47 | JeffM | it would be hard to get those domains |
| 20:30.48 | JeffM | they are owned |
| 20:41.30 | JeffM | joevano, you a cyborg yet? |
| 20:44.45 | blast007 | so, who wants to vote on the poll to pick a new name? |
| 20:44.53 | JeffM | memememe |
| 20:45.07 | JeffM | PM ether blast or myself and we'll send you a link |
| 20:45.08 | blast007 | pfft, you already voted :P |
| 20:45.56 | JeffM | and who is a spreadsheet macro wizard who can help do some totaling |
| 20:46.05 | blast007 | memememe |
| 20:46.42 | JeffM | how hard will it be to get rid of dupes? |
| 20:46.50 | blast007 | checking on that now |
| 20:47.10 | JeffM | do it all on another sheet and have it copy them as it sees it |
| 20:47.10 | blast007 | as soon as IE wakes up |
| 20:49.07 | blast007 | okay, should be easy |
| 20:49.15 | blast007 | they have a nice UNIQUE function |
| 20:50.46 | blast007 | and a COUNTIF |
| 21:20.46 | joevano | JeffM: nah... doc said I could skip it for now, "I may grow out of it" he says ;-) |
| 21:27.04 | JeffM | joevano, cool |
| 21:28.05 | joevano | it's not really my heart... that is just a side effect (one that could stop it for up to 10 seconds)... doc says I need to lay down and breate calmly when it happens |
| 21:28.26 | JeffM | aka "don't freak out" |
| 21:28.34 | joevano | exactly |
| 21:29.50 | joevano | its called Symptimatic bradycardia... or a slow heart beat in laymans terms. Its caused by an overactive vegas nerve |
| 21:35.11 | allejo | JeffM, "SillyTankGame" isn't up for voting? :( |
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| 22:04.32 | JeffM | allejo, I thought i put it in there |
| 22:04.44 | allejo | oh did you? can i vote? |
| 22:05.06 | JeffM | link sent |
| 22:05.20 | allejo | thank you :D |
| 22:12.06 | JeffM | CombatTanks.com is taken |
| 22:12.26 | JeffM | heh, May we suggest: FightTanks.com, ConflictTanks.com, StruggleTanks.com, EncounterTanks.com, WarfareTanks.com |
| 22:12.33 | JeffM | ConflictTanks! |
| 22:12.48 | blast007 | meh |
| 22:13.38 | allejo | aw :( |
| 22:15.39 | blast007 | Steel Clover! Is luck on the side of your tank? (If not, buy the luck emblem for only $0.99!!!!!!!) |
| 22:16.16 | JeffM | TeamTankArena 3000 |
| 22:16.20 | JeffM | now wiht more hats |
| 22:16.59 | allejo | TankBattles 9001 |
| 22:18.15 | blast007 | TankBattles of 24th and a half.. century!!! |
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| 22:25.07 | allejo | Modern Welfare: Tank Edition |
| 22:25.20 | tw1sted | still coming up with names? |
| 22:25.23 | allejo | tanks fighting in the social security office |
| 22:25.33 | JeffM | it could have more then just tanks in it |
| 22:25.41 | JeffM | we have a poll going now tw1sted |
| 22:25.57 | allejo | Need for Tanks? |
| 22:25.57 | tw1sted | where? |
| 22:26.04 | JeffM | in a secret place |
| 22:26.09 | allejo | Call of Tanks |
| 22:26.33 | JeffM | Call of Doody |
| 22:27.07 | allejo | Forza Motortanks |
| 22:27.44 | allejo | Got tank? |
| 22:28.24 | allejo | Project Tank |
| 22:29.49 | tw1sted | tank you very much |
| 22:30.43 | JeffM | yet what if we add an APC? |
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| 23:08.32 | Constitution | I seem to have missed the discussion? why do we need a new name? |
| 23:14.17 | khonkhortisan | because we're changing stuff |
| 23:15.33 | JeffM | because.... REASONS! |
| 23:17.06 | JeffM | and maybe some science |
| 23:18.47 | Constitution | what about the cake? |
| 23:19.05 | JeffM | the cake is a ruse |
| 23:20.17 | blast007 | Constitution: for the bzflag fork - new domains, new name, new management |
| 23:20.20 | blast007 | and cake |
| 23:20.27 | Constitution | is a ruse <, >, or == to a lie? |
| 23:20.34 | khonkhortisan | -noSelfKills plz |
| 23:20.46 | khonkhortisan | a ruse involves more |
| 23:20.53 | Constitution | and motto update packet |
| 23:21.14 | khonkhortisan | and plugins knowing when shots end/ricochet |
| 23:21.32 | blast007 | well.. those aren't really dependent on a fork... |
| 23:21.43 | khonkhortisan | protocol breaks are hard to come by |
| 23:21.58 | Constitution | there will be no existing protocol to break ;) |
| 23:22.15 | Constitution | technically speaking |
| 23:22.16 | blast007 | heh |
| 23:23.07 | blast007 | the first release of the fork should be something like my vision of the BZFlag 2.6 release |
| 23:27.57 | Constitution | also a good opportunity to use the new mac build system and client version string format |
| 23:29.19 | blast007 | somebody at nVidia just got beat over the head. They sent out an email for the new GTX 760. Subject line mentions "GeForce GTX 670" ;) |
| 23:38.12 | JeffM | really wants to remove 'Counter Tank' |
| 23:38.23 | JeffM | the game is nothing like counterstrike |
| 23:38.29 | JeffM | and then everyone will want a kill cam |
| 23:38.31 | JeffM | and tbags |
| 23:39.29 | JeffM | tho I bet that people would pay for a pair of truck nutz for the tanks sadly |
| 23:39.31 | Constitution | blast007 is working on a killcam at the direction of Dazzling124 |
| 23:40.58 | khonkhortisan | a kill cam might be possible with the recordings |
| 23:41.10 | JeffM | be quitet |
| 23:41.17 | khonkhortisan | but the player would leave the current game while observing |
| 23:41.19 | khonkhortisan | it would be messy |
| 23:41.19 | JeffM | anything is possible |
| 23:41.34 | JeffM | it's just a lame idea |
| 23:41.56 | khonkhortisan | more useful when you've been killed by a sniper, with no shot ricochets |
| 23:42.13 | JeffM | not useful, entertaining |
| 23:42.38 | JeffM | and with our gameplay bumping the shooter to observer as they watched would be too great a reward for killing someone |
| 23:42.46 | JeffM | since they'd be 'safe' |
| 23:43.13 | JeffM | we don't realy have the concept of an 'game end' |
| 23:43.17 | JeffM | other then timed matches |
| 23:44.47 | khonkhortisan | the shooter? it's the shootee that watches it, no? - I haven't played these kill cam games |
| 23:44.56 | JeffM | oh then tha'ts just mean |
| 23:45.18 | JeffM | it would lower respawn times |
| 23:45.44 | blast007 | yeah, the 'kill cam' in games shows the one who shot you |
| 23:45.45 | JeffM | fallout has one and it's the shooter that sees it, but that's a single player game |
| 23:45.51 | JeffM | meh |
| 23:46.01 | blast007 | oh, well single player would be different, yeah |
| 23:46.18 | blast007 | in multiplayer games I've only seen where the one who died sees the shooter |
| 23:46.31 | blast007 | but the respawn time is generally longer on most games |
| 23:46.34 | khonkhortisan | the shootee seeing from the shooter's perspective? |
| 23:46.42 | JeffM | it'd be pretty easy to do, the client has the path of the shot that hit it |
| 23:46.51 | blast007 | just silly |
| 23:46.53 | khonkhortisan | has approximately the path |
| 23:46.54 | JeffM | yeah |
| 23:46.58 | JeffM | no it has the ENTIRE path |
| 23:47.03 | blast007 | it's more useful when there's a 30 second plus respawn time |
| 23:47.04 | khonkhortisan | approximately |
| 23:47.08 | khonkhortisan | the entire thing |
| 23:47.09 | JeffM | since shots are only tracked on the client |
| 23:47.16 | JeffM | nope it's the exact path |
| 23:47.17 | khonkhortisan | it might not be the right path |
| 23:47.20 | JeffM | it is |
| 23:47.21 | khonkhortisan | through walls |
| 23:47.24 | khonkhortisan | on openleague |
| 23:47.28 | JeffM | you did the death computation yourself |
| 23:47.33 | JeffM | so it's the one that killed you |
| 23:47.36 | khonkhortisan | OH |
| 23:47.36 | blast007 | it's right as far as the client knowns |
| 23:47.38 | JeffM | since you have no other info to base it on |
| 23:47.38 | khonkhortisan | lol |
| 23:47.50 | khonkhortisan | can't see someone else's kill cam :) |
| 23:47.55 | JeffM | yeah it may not be the path others saw, but it's the one you used to compute how you died |
| 23:48.20 | JeffM | thats what blast was saying, the person who got shot sees the shot the killed them |
| 23:48.22 | blast007 | that issue with the two different shot paths could be solved with better math |
| 23:48.26 | JeffM | sure |
| 23:48.34 | JeffM | math and science |
| 23:48.46 | khonkhortisan | and black magic |
| 23:48.47 | JeffM | but I'd not want to stop a game where I am still alive just to see someone else die again |
| 23:48.57 | khonkhortisan | but I think I'm confusing two programs |
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