| 00:06.01 | Nidhoggr | having apple look at a mail issue I'm having with postfix on mac os x server. |
| 00:12.42 | blast007 | Apple's response: you're holding it wrong |
| 00:13.51 | alpha1-2 | excuse me, do you mean the Apple company then? I thought a simple apple machine :P |
| 00:15.58 | alpha1-2 | you are famous eh!, first: John Postel, now, this! |
| 00:17.39 | blast007 | it's something called "technical support" |
| 00:18.34 | alpha1-2 | but mac os x is based on linux, ten it's supported by community i think, not by Apple itself :P |
| 00:18.42 | blast007 | no, it's not based on linux |
| 00:18.56 | blast007 | it's losely based on some form of BSD |
| 00:21.47 | blast007 | and apple certainly has proper support |
| 00:24.01 | alpha1-2 | uhh I had understood that Linux based, but it's Unix based and it is propietary :S |
| 00:24.13 | Nidhoggr | mac os x is based on BSD, not linux. :) |
| 00:24.43 | alpha1-2 | but BSD is something free I understand (BSD exception 3 i think) |
| 00:24.47 | Nidhoggr | I'm still waiting for them to call back after I sent them a bunch of data capture stuff. |
| 00:25.13 | blast007 | alpha1-2: the BSD license allows closed-source use |
| 00:25.23 | alpha1-2 | ahh |
| 00:25.44 | blast007 | GPL is the one that requires you provide source |
| 00:25.59 | Nidhoggr | main.cf in postfix has a line to reject non-fqdn smtp connections. If you want outlook or outlook express to connect, you have to remove that setting. |
| 00:26.03 | alpha1-2 | wikipedia: Berkeley Software Distribution, a free Unix-like operating system, and numerous variants |
| 00:26.10 | alpha1-2 | (FREE) |
| 00:26.14 | blast007 | my new network switches at work run something based on BSD - I can even get to a shell prompt ;) |
| 00:26.16 | alpha1-2 | but i unedrsand |
| 00:26.20 | alpha1-2 | understand* |
| 00:26.21 | Nidhoggr | so I remove it, and it keeps coming back every 3-5 days. |
| 00:26.43 | Nidhoggr | after checking forums, I see others have the same problem. |
| 00:26.47 | blast007 | Nidhoggr: it's a feature! |
| 00:26.52 | Nidhoggr | lol |
| 00:26.58 | blast007 | you should use apple's mail program instead! |
| 00:27.16 | Nidhoggr | postfix is apple's mail server |
| 00:27.28 | Nidhoggr | I use the apple mail client. |
| 00:27.44 | Nidhoggr | this is for another one of my users. |
| 00:27.47 | Nidhoggr | she uses outlook express. |
| 00:27.50 | blast007 | tell them to get a mac |
| 00:28.00 | Nidhoggr | she is in her late 60s, and she will use OE until she kicks the can. |
| 00:28.21 | blast007 | rebrand/reskin Thunderbird |
| 00:28.28 | Nidhoggr | I tried to get her to use thunderbird |
| 00:28.32 | Nidhoggr | she still might. |
| 00:28.36 | Nidhoggr | if I complain enough. |
| 00:28.51 | Nidhoggr | since I am pretty much her only technical support. |
| 00:28.51 | alpha1-2 | I correct myself: BSD "clause 3" not "exception 3" |
| 00:29.23 | blast007 | alpha1-2: are you referring to the BSD 3-clause license? or are you specifically referring to clause 3? |
| 00:30.14 | alpha1-2 | BSD 3-clause license |
| 00:30.19 | blast007 | and in any case, the BSD license does not require source distribution |
| 00:30.55 | blast007 | it just says that if you DO distribute the source, you must retain the copyright notices, the list of contions, and disclaimer. |
| 00:31.10 | blast007 | conditions* |
| 00:32.10 | alpha1-2 | I thought that you din't deal usually with licenses, like one time you said me :), but it seems that yes |
| 00:33.26 | blast007 | I try to avoid it, but the BSD is a pretty simple one ;) |
| 00:33.27 | JeffM | BSD license realy only protects the author against lawsuits |
| 00:34.13 | blast007 | and it protects large commercial ventures that want to close source your software for their own profit ;) |
| 00:34.22 | JeffM | yep |
| 00:34.30 | JeffM | it's only slightly better then public domain |
| 00:34.47 | JeffM | it's the "I don't care what you do, jsut don't sue me" |
| 00:34.57 | blast007 | though I have used the MIT license for some of my stuff, which is pretty similar to the BSD |
| 00:35.32 | alpha1-2 | yes I saw MIT lic too in my linux "free" packages admin |
| 00:40.33 | JeffM | it is another one that has few restrictions |
| 00:46.50 | alpha1-2 | ah yes the famous copyleft feature... when it is copyleft then you can't convert it to propietary software |
| 00:48.45 | alpha1-2 | in relation with: <blast007> alpha1-2: the BSD license allows closed-source use |
| 00:49.18 | alpha1-2 | I understand better now |
| 00:49.20 | blast007 | yup |
| 00:53.49 | JeffM | what is the xpm file? |
| 00:58.41 | blast007 | looks like it might be used for RPM packages |
| 00:58.55 | JeffM | is it the icon? |
| 00:59.05 | alpha1-2 | i think |
| 00:59.18 | blast007 | or maybe not.. the RPM package has its own xpm files |
| 00:59.49 | alpha1-2 | where do you have it? |
| 01:00.08 | JeffM | it's int he data |
| 01:00.49 | alpha1-2 | yes I think icons |
| 01:01.04 | alpha1-2 | bzflag-32x32.xpm |
| 01:01.33 | JeffM | hmm what license was pybzflag under |
| 01:01.37 | alpha1-2 | as wikipedia says it is a graphic file |
| 01:03.15 | blast007 | JeffM: hmm, yeah, no headers and no license file.. |
| 01:03.20 | JeffM | yeah.... |
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| 01:03.38 | blast007 | or not |
| 01:03.40 | blast007 | http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/pybzflag/doc/COPYING?revision=22701&view=markup |
| 01:03.51 | JeffM | k |
| 01:04.31 | alpha1-2 | I found licenses here: http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/pybzflag/doc/ |
| 01:05.23 | blast007 | alpha1-2: too slow ;) |
| 01:05.49 | alpha1-2 | ohh ok :D |
| 01:05.56 | alpha1-2 | u are always the first! |
| 01:06.03 | alpha1-2 | he he he |
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| 01:07.00 | alpha1-2 | well, just 1 minute after ;) |
| 01:14.07 | alpha1-2_away | I can see the xpm file as image |
| 01:14.29 | blast007 | yeah, know it's an image. just don't know what actually uses it. |
| 01:15.03 | alpha1-2_away | ah, maybe RPM as you said |
| 01:15.36 | blast007 | JeffM: nothing in our tree seems to actually use that file. The Makefile.am and the OSX project both list it, but I think it's just to list the file as being there |
| 01:15.47 | JeffM | k |
| 01:15.57 | blast007 | alpha1-2_away: the RPM package stuff seems to have it's own set of three xpm files |
| 01:17.05 | alpha1-2_away | excuse me, in which package? |
| 01:17.26 | blast007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.43 | alpha1-2_away | ok, you both know better for what that file must be used to :P |
| 01:20.14 | JeffM | wow, never google image search for our snowflake image |
| 01:21.21 | blast007 | heh |
| 01:21.32 | JeffM | I am 95% sure I made it |
| 01:21.49 | blast007 | *a dozen people in the channel now google image search for it* |
| 01:22.06 | alpha1-2_away | do you want to see it? it's just a little red tank |
| 01:22.22 | blast007 | alpha1-2_away: I could see it |
| 01:22.32 | alpha1-2_away | with transparence |
| 01:22.36 | blast007 | XnView is an awesome image viewer ;) |
| 01:22.44 | JeffM | is it our icon or a different image? |
| 01:23.06 | alpha1-2_away | it is 3D, and turned |
| 01:23.10 | blast007 | think it's the old 3D tank icon |
| 01:23.17 | JeffM | k |
| 01:24.31 | blast007 | JeffM: http://imagebin.org/262698 |
| 01:25.11 | blast007 | the xpm files in packages/rpm/ as the old gray text logo |
| 01:25.17 | blast007 | s/as/are/ |
| 01:25.34 | blast007 | like, the 1.7 era icon ;) |
| 01:25.35 | JeffM | I shared a doc with you that contains what I know about the assets |
| 01:25.39 | blast007 | okay |
| 01:26.53 | alpha1-2_away | I sent you already a mail :D |
| 01:27.30 | alpha1-2_away | 2 minutes.... ah! |
| 01:27.44 | blast007 | sent who a mail? |
| 01:27.50 | alpha1-2_away | JeffM |
| 01:27.53 | blast007 | k |
| 01:27.56 | JeffM | about what? |
| 01:28.02 | alpha1-2_away | the image file |
| 01:28.08 | JeffM | oh I don't care |
| 01:28.10 | alpha1-2_away | nvm |
| 01:28.17 | alpha1-2_away | in png |
| 01:28.19 | JeffM | saying it's the old icon is good enough |
| 01:28.23 | JeffM | I don't need it |
| 01:28.29 | JeffM | I just need to know if I can ignore it |
| 01:28.30 | alpha1-2_away | np :) |
| 01:35.48 | blast007 | oh, so we don't even use the moon texture anymore? |
| 01:35.52 | blast007 | poof |
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| 02:01.42 | Snake12534 | I recenly started a map on textpad by hand. somehow bzfs is not allowing me to let the map on the server list |
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| 02:32.09 | blast007 | Snake12534: trying to make it a public server, you mean? |
| 02:32.55 | Snake12534 | blast007, yes, but I am trying to host a local server for now, but my map ( I had wrote in text editor) does not work on the localhost |
| 02:33.06 | blast007 | well did you run bzfs? |
| 02:33.11 | Snake12534 | No. |
| 02:33.23 | Snake12534 | How do I? My windows is hiding the file :( |
| 02:33.25 | blast007 | then how would you expect to be able to connecto to it? |
| 02:33.34 | Snake12534 | Help ^^ |
| 02:33.45 | blast007 | read the documentation, wiki, and forum |
| 02:33.52 | blast007 | and weren't you banned from here? |
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| 02:34.45 | tw1sted | blast007: i was trying to help him through PM |
| 02:34.50 | tw1sted | and gave up and sent him here |
| 02:34.52 | tw1sted | sorry :P |
| 02:35.47 | tw1sted | he needs to know where to put his map file so the in game start server option can find it |
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| 02:36.54 | alpha1-2 | I use path in the command line |
| 02:37.07 | alpha1-2 | directly |
| 02:37.20 | tw1sted | he doesnt know what a command line is |
| 02:38.02 | alpha1-2 | well, if he doesn't execute a shell console, how can he use params, etc? |
| 02:38.21 | alpha1-2 | for bzfs |
| 02:38.26 | tw1sted | using the in-game startserver feature |
| 02:38.37 | JeffM | or shortcuts |
| 02:38.41 | tw1sted | ^ |
| 02:38.56 | alpha1-2 | shortcuts with params? hard |
| 02:39.00 | JeffM | no |
| 02:39.04 | JeffM | not at all |
| 02:39.23 | alpha1-2 | editing the icon properties? |
| 02:39.32 | JeffM | depneds on the OS |
| 02:39.48 | alpha1-2 | the better way is run the console :) |
| 02:39.53 | alpha1-2 | best* |
| 02:39.56 | JeffM | depneds on the OS |
| 02:40.26 | alpha1-2 | command.exe? iirc |
| 02:40.32 | JeffM | cmd |
| 02:40.39 | alpha1-2 | it is easy :) |
| 02:40.54 | JeffM | so is editing a shortcut, just right click |
| 02:41.05 | alpha1-2 | but he requires some commands too after yes :) |
| 02:41.36 | JeffM | the shortcut will end in a ", you add your CLI options there |
| 02:41.53 | JeffM | after the server starts you can't put anything else in the console |
| 02:41.58 | JeffM | the server is not interactive |
| 02:42.44 | alpha1-2 | np,. I meant about the console, he requires some commands apart the bzfs, for go to path, do a dir etc. |
| 02:43.00 | JeffM | not if you use a shortcut ;) it has a working dir |
| 02:43.18 | alpha1-2 | ok ok, we are talking of two methodes :) |
| 02:43.46 | JeffM | sure, there are always multiple ways to do things |
| 02:44.11 | alpha1-2 | oh and Snake was kicking again :P and we talking about the issue :D |
| 02:44.25 | JeffM | he came back? |
| 02:44.30 | alpha1-2 | yes |
| 02:44.42 | alpha1-2 | he started the conversation |
| 02:44.42 | JeffM | did he have a legit question? |
| 02:44.53 | alpha1-2 | about run a server locally |
| 02:45.01 | JeffM | k |
| 02:45.11 | alpha1-2 | but maybe he doesn't read documentations |
| 02:45.18 | alpha1-2 | didn't |
| 02:45.19 | JeffM | oh god no |
| 02:45.20 | alpha1-2 | * |
| 02:48.28 | JeffM | we install several shortcuts to start bzfs with options on windows |
| 02:48.53 | alpha1-2 | oh nice |
| 02:50.41 | alpha1-2 | I don't remeber well, I used it some times time ago, does the in-game server options work fine? |
| 02:51.21 | JeffM | the client just calls the server with options |
| 02:51.21 | tw1sted | for local servers, absolutely |
| 02:51.32 | JeffM | it's the same server |
| 02:51.45 | tw1sted | the client just runs the bzfs command instead |
| 02:51.57 | alpha1-2 | ahhh ok, then I just run the server twice I think |
| 02:52.25 | alpha1-2 | I did bzfs and after in-game options and I had some problems iirc |
| 02:52.52 | JeffM | the server start gui in game only has limited options |
| 02:52.57 | alpha1-2 | then after I decided use only command line |
| 02:53.12 | JeffM | we'll be removing the in game thing soon |
| 02:53.51 | alpha1-2 | yes, I saw about limited options... but then did I just run the server twice no? |
| 02:54.06 | JeffM | you can't run 2 on the same port, so probalby not |
| 02:55.04 | alpha1-2 | in linux, then, I ask again, do in-game server options work fine all? |
| 02:55.16 | alpha1-2 | all features |
| 02:55.22 | JeffM | it's the same code for all platforms |
| 02:55.25 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 02:55.32 | JeffM | the start server menu only supports some options |
| 02:55.35 | JeffM | not all |
| 02:56.01 | JeffM | you can't set -public for instance |
| 02:57.10 | alpha1-2 | ahhh I remember, after that, I used bzfs and just connect the client, I didn't execute more the client call to server :) |
| 02:58.32 | alpha1-2 | then ys Sake was needing to find the path to save th map file for be read by client |
| 02:58.50 | JeffM | an acceptable quesion then |
| 02:58.59 | JeffM | did he leave after he got the answer |
| 02:59.14 | alpha1-2 | but he didn't do it, tw1sted did it after :) |
| 02:59.23 | tw1sted | JeffM: blast007 banned him |
| 02:59.27 | JeffM | ahh |
| 02:59.34 | tw1sted | but it was a relatively legit question |
| 03:00.00 | tw1sted | i was trying to help him in a PM but he's pretty retarded so i gave up and sent him here |
| 03:00.31 | alpha1-2 | "pretty retarded" ehhhh :) |
| 03:01.12 | alpha1-2 | you have to have patience yes, I understand you ;) |
| 03:10.01 | JeffM | blast007, buttstalion is in the new DLC :) |
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| 04:13.00 | Guest713 | Do ppl still play in Australia - I looked at the strayer server list and noone has joioned in the past 24 hours. |
| 04:13.32 | kierra | zac's from australia |
| 04:13.46 | kierra | and plays, but currently he's on holiday in europe |
| 04:13.56 | kierra | jacko h plays some |
| 04:14.41 | kierra | there are others, less frequent |
| 04:18.36 | Guest713 | thanks |
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| 04:41.42 | khonkhortisan | How do I force bzflag to use a specific resolution? I made my screen larger than my monitor, and after I logged out and back in, bzflag wants to use 1440x1440 instead of 1440x900, even if I change the config file. |
| 04:42.13 | JeffM | you set it in the options |
| 04:43.21 | khonkhortisan | 1440x900 doesn't appear in the menu |
| 04:43.54 | JeffM | then your card dosn't report that it supports it |
| 04:44.08 | khonkhortisan | hmm |
| 04:44.26 | JeffM | you can try bzflag -geometry 1440x900 |
| 04:45.57 | JeffM | we ask the card what it supports |
| 04:46.05 | JeffM | you can also try to run it in a window |
| 04:46.18 | JeffM | bzflag -window 1440x900 |
| 04:46.36 | khonkhortisan | but then I lose fullscreen ;) |
| 04:46.54 | JeffM | but you are lying to bzflag |
| 04:47.08 | JeffM | so don't expect it to behave perfectly |
| 04:47.12 | khonkhortisan | I'll see if I can add 1440x900 to the list it reports |
| 04:48.11 | JeffM | why do you wan to run it larger then you you can see? |
| 04:48.35 | khonkhortisan | I can pan all my windows, it's just like scrolling in the web browser |
| 04:49.19 | JeffM | I dunno if the GL driver will do that the way you think |
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| 05:27.15 | khonkhortisan_ | Well, that was annoying. No more panning for me. |
| 05:31.47 | JeffM | it coudn't make the context could it? |
| 05:33.40 | khonkhortisan_ | I got old pixels on the bottom of the display in my login page, and the taskbar at the bottom of my monitor. It got confused. |
| 05:34.03 | khonkhortisan_ | I could run bzflag at 1440x901 but not 1440x900 |
| 05:34.16 | khonkhortisan_ | probably wrote it differently |
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| 15:18.18 | khonkhortisan_ | bzflag crashes in FlashShotEffect::draw when setting camerapos after using Leave Game (rejoining doesn't crash) - I assume it's still trying to draw the effect without having a player. |
| 15:19.16 | khonkhortisan_ | So I caused it |
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| 15:29.27 | Notify | 03BZFlag:khonkhortisan * 22822 trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/effectsRenderer.cxx: Stop drawing FlashShotEffect when myTank doesn't exist when leaving game |
| 15:29.29 | khonkhortisan_ | cool I got 22822 |
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| 15:55.16 | Notify | 03BZFlag:kongr45gpen * 22823 trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/BanCommands.cxx: Rather than checking whether a user is an admin, test if they have the adminMessageReceive perm when sending a private message to inform about a successful mute |
| 15:57.02 | swigg | I have a beter idea. Make a new symbol visible only to admins to see if any other hidden admins are present. |
| 15:57.32 | khonkhortisan_ | a |
| 15:57.35 | swigg | b |
| 15:57.43 | khonkhortisan_ | +-@a |
| 15:57.55 | swigg | -+$b |
| 15:58.49 | swigg | yeah, +-@ and a would be good |
| 16:12.05 | alezakos | Wouldn't that require a proto break? |
| 16:12.52 | alezakos | Unless the client does a /showperms every time someone joins... |
| 16:17.15 | khonkhortisan_ | Many things require proto break, we should lump them together. |
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| 17:30.41 | JeffM | so blast007 where do you want to host this thing? |
| 17:31.10 | JeffM | I hate to say it but I'd sugest GitHub |
| 17:31.22 | blast007 | I was gonna suggest Bitbucket |
| 17:31.24 | JeffM | not for the Gitness but the other stuff |
| 17:31.30 | JeffM | what do they have for bug trackers? |
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| 17:33.05 | JeffM | dosn't look like they have anything, but they do support downloads, that's nice |
| 17:33.16 | JeffM | downloads on github are part of the wiki |
| 17:33.46 | tw1sted | was a name chosen? |
| 17:33.55 | blast007 | they have an issue tracker |
| 17:34.12 | JeffM | do you have it turned on for any of your repos? |
| 17:34.26 | JeffM | I see they have a clone client so that's good |
| 17:34.34 | blast007 | just turned it on here, but there's nothing these of course: https://bitbucket.org/blast007/bzflag_main_website |
| 17:34.56 | blast007 | in the admin section, there's components, milestones, versions |
| 17:35.07 | JeffM | ok cool |
| 17:35.13 | blast007 | the ability to have it send emails to specific addresses when new issues are raised |
| 17:35.14 | JeffM | yeah it looks nearly identical to the github one |
| 17:35.23 | blast007 | and it has an import and export feature for issues |
| 17:35.31 | JeffM | that's the main thing I liked about github was it's issue tracker |
| 17:35.59 | JeffM | will it do a %complete view for each milestone? |
| 17:36.37 | JeffM | https://github.com/JeffM2501/snis_rework/issues/milestones |
| 17:36.45 | JeffM | that's what I found most handy |
| 17:37.07 | blast007 | nope, just a list of milestones |
| 17:37.13 | JeffM | k |
| 17:37.21 | JeffM | still better then nothin |
| 17:37.27 | JeffM | I'll get the client they have and see how it is |
| 17:37.45 | JeffM | tort git is acceptable but a pita to install, the github client is decent but limited |
| 17:37.57 | blast007 | I just use TortoiseHg |
| 17:38.02 | blast007 | but that's mercurial ;) |
| 17:38.09 | JeffM | yeah I'll install both to compare them |
| 17:38.38 | JeffM | my hope is the one they recomend there installs fast and is good enough for most people to use for clone |
| 17:38.46 | JeffM | then developers use tort or CLI |
| 17:39.33 | JeffM | if we had to pick a name today I'd go for Axiom |
| 17:41.38 | blast007 | SourceTree actually looks pretty nice |
| 17:41.46 | JeffM | yeah it's ok |
| 17:42.00 | JeffM | the install isn't as easy as the Github client but it's good enough |
| 17:42.08 | tw1sted | blast007: everyone in my office uses sourcetree |
| 17:42.10 | blast007 | I've used the github client, and it was annoying.. |
| 17:42.16 | tw1sted | they swear by it |
| 17:42.18 | JeffM | I like it |
| 17:42.24 | blast007 | iirc, you can't cancel a clone operation in the github one |
| 17:42.36 | JeffM | I think you can now |
| 17:42.41 | JeffM | it gets LOTS of updates |
| 17:42.46 | blast007 | k |
| 17:42.48 | JeffM | it is limited |
| 17:43.03 | JeffM | it's not good enough to be the only thing to use for development |
| 17:43.08 | blast007 | yeah |
| 17:43.12 | JeffM | but I am thinking of the "how do I get the code" user |
| 17:43.19 | JeffM | and for that person it's great |
| 17:43.34 | JeffM | and it's good enough for someone like a patch submiter |
| 17:45.01 | blast007 | with both github and bitbucket, you can just download a snapshot of the source from their site |
| 17:45.27 | JeffM | sure but there will be a subset of people who want to keep up to date, server owners, etc.. |
| 17:45.35 | blast007 | yeah |
| 17:46.11 | JeffM | sourcetree is slower then the github client to checkout but it's not too bad |
| 17:52.45 | JeffM | yeah it's a little more cumbersom for common tasks then the github one but defenatly has more features, that'll do fine |
| 17:52.58 | JeffM | then I'm fine with bitbucket |
| 17:54.40 | JeffM | My guess is the 2 services will eventualy have the same featuresets |
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| 18:00.44 | blast007 | JeffM: the thing with github is that you can't have private repos unless you pay |
| 18:00.51 | JeffM | true |
| 18:00.56 | JeffM | do we plan on having private ones? |
| 18:01.07 | JeffM | cus I do not mind supporting a service |
| 18:01.15 | JeffM | specialy if we get value out of it |
| 18:01.40 | blast007 | does github still only do git? |
| 18:01.59 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:02.05 | blast007 | bleh |
| 18:02.08 | JeffM | heh |
| 18:02.22 | swigg | why don't you just use FTP? |
| 18:02.35 | JeffM | yeah I am not enamored with the GIT part, it's the rest of the services I like |
| 18:03.22 | blast007 | I blame the zealots, man... it might be great, but the zealots... |
| 18:03.27 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:04.04 | JeffM | the other services on the site are what won me over, sometimes I still fight git, but I don't know if I'll have the same fights with HG |
| 18:04.44 | blast007 | yeah, github's site does have more shiny things |
| 18:05.02 | JeffM | I like the notifications, the wiki, etc |
| 18:05.09 | JeffM | the fact that you can check our wiki out as a repo |
| 18:05.16 | JeffM | your not our |
| 18:06.04 | blast007 | "Bitbucket wikis are DVCS repositories." |
| 18:06.06 | JeffM | github does install a command line tool as part of the Github app so that probalby makes linux people happy |
| 18:06.10 | JeffM | ok cool |
| 18:06.16 | JeffM | I haven't seen a bitbucket wiki yet |
| 18:06.37 | JeffM | I'm just mentioning what I liked, if bitbucket can do it all too then there is no issue going with it |
| 18:06.42 | blast007 | https://confluence.atlassian.com/x/FA4zDQ |
| 18:06.59 | JeffM | I'm searching for comparisons of the services |
| 18:07.39 | blast007 | such comparisons are likely to be outdated.. both services likely add stuff on a regular basis |
| 18:07.45 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:07.55 | JeffM | most of them seem to be crap |
| 18:08.09 | JeffM | github just pushed a new repo view |
| 18:09.00 | JeffM | github says it supports IRC notifications |
| 18:09.07 | blast007 | hmm |
| 18:09.07 | JeffM | if I read this right |
| 18:09.08 | alezakos | It does |
| 18:09.22 | blast007 | oh yeah |
| 18:09.36 | alezakos | It supports a number of post-commit hooks on a really large number of services |
| 18:09.59 | JeffM | have you investigated what bitbucket supports? |
| 18:10.43 | blast007 | trying to find out for sure if github does have IRC notifications built in |
| 18:10.47 | JeffM | k |
| 18:11.01 | JeffM | we should make a list of our requirements and built up what each one does |
| 18:11.50 | blast007 | another channel I'm in had GitHub notifications, but there was some issues with it joining the channel, so they had turn off channel mode 'n', which means that people outside the channel can send messages to the channel |
| 18:12.07 | alezakos | blast007: Go to the options page of your repo, choose Service Hooks, and locate IRC on that long list of services |
| 18:12.32 | JeffM | blast007, if you need access to a github repo with stuf I can give you access to mine |
| 18:12.37 | blast007 | removes GitHub from his ignore list |
| 18:12.46 | blast007 | I have a github account |
| 18:12.52 | JeffM | k |
| 18:12.55 | JeffM | but do you have repos? |
| 18:13.01 | blast007 | but don't tell anyone |
| 18:13.03 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:13.05 | JeffM | heh |
| 18:13.14 | blast007 | well, none I've commit to, but I can make a test one |
| 18:13.29 | JeffM | you can commit to mine if you want |
| 18:13.52 | JeffM | and it'll be a good test to see how hard it is to add a user to a repo |
| 18:13.59 | JeffM | what's your account |
| 18:14.10 | blast007 | blast007 |
| 18:14.20 | JeffM | we know how bitbucket does groups |
| 18:14.23 | blast007 | I get real creative with my account names ;) |
| 18:14.38 | alezakos | Disabling the 'n' mode is not necessary, you can have the bot join the channel after every push (not sure if you can make it stay, though) |
| 18:15.04 | JeffM | heh there is a blast002 |
| 18:15.11 | JeffM | ok you should be added |
| 18:15.40 | blast007 | hmm, you have to make your own IRC user for it? |
| 18:16.01 | JeffM | that is one HELL of a list of services tho |
| 18:16.11 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:16.17 | blast007 | even have CIA on there! oh wait. |
| 18:16.44 | alezakos | blast007: No, there already seem to be some GitHubXYZ users on Freenode |
| 18:17.20 | blast007 | then why does it ask me for the server, nickname, password, etc? |
| 18:17.48 | alezakos | You only have to specify the server and the channel |
| 18:18.12 | JeffM | the names are optional if you want to talor it to your project |
| 18:18.20 | blast007 | yeah, noticed now |
| 18:19.19 | JeffM | time to see if it works :) |
| 18:21.07 | JeffM | yeah... it dosn't seem to work |
| 18:21.11 | blast007 | mine either |
| 18:21.18 | alezakos | Mine does :P |
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| 18:21.27 | JeffM | heh |
| 18:21.28 | JeffM | you too fast |
| 18:22.21 | blast007 | nothing... |
| 18:22.55 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:23.19 | alezakos | Should I test my own on this channel? |
| 18:23.27 | JeffM | sure go for it |
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| 18:24.22 | alezakos | ^^ |
| 18:24.47 | alezakos | Make sure that you checked the 'active' checkbox |
| 18:24.50 | blast007 | I did |
| 18:25.03 | alezakos | Oh, and you have to 'Update Settings' before pressing 'Test Hook' |
| 18:25.05 | blast007 | active it checked, server is irc.freenode.net, channel is #bzflag |
| 18:25.38 | blast007 | I didn't try "test hook" I just made a commit |
| 18:26.15 | blast007 | yeah, not working for me |
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| 18:27.38 | blast007 | JeffM: would our wiki only be on the github site then, or would we still use mediawiki? |
| 18:29.55 | alezakos | Try putting in 6667 as a port number, using the default value seems to be broken |
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| 18:32.35 | GitHub189 | 01[13lulz01] 15none pushed 2 new commits to 06master: 02http://git.io/_QDOqA |
| 18:32.35 | GitHub189 | 13lulz/06master 146e6a352 15blast007: Update README.md... |
| 18:32.35 | GitHub189 | 13lulz/06master 14e702584 15blast007: Update README.md... |
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| 18:32.45 | blast007 | k |
| 18:46.26 | blast007 | that milestones thing on github *is* pretty neat |
| 18:49.37 | blast007 | I imagine bitbucket wants you go move up to their paid issue tracker for something like that, though |
| 18:50.10 | blast007 | (so, unfortunately, I'm not going to expect bitbucket to improve their issue tracker much) |
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| 19:24.59 | JeffM | blast007, I'd like to see 2 wikis, one tied to the dev site for techincal things, and then if the community wants another one for maps and other social things it can make that |
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| 19:42.32 | JeffM | so what had to be done to get github to post here? |
| 19:42.47 | blast007 | had to add the port as well |
| 19:44.57 | JeffM | ahh |
| 19:45.35 | blast007 | hmmm http://n.tkte.ch/ |
| 19:47.13 | alezakos | This does the same job, but it is faster, and keeps a user on the channel at all times. |
| 19:47.30 | alezakos | It also supports BitBucket, since I don't think BitBucket has built-in support for IRC |
| 19:47.30 | JeffM | does bitbucket have anything native? |
| 19:47.36 | JeffM | ok |
| 19:47.58 | JeffM | so sounds like we have options for it with ether system |
| 19:48.39 | JeffM | othe then the inherent gitness of Github the services looks very similar, and I don't know how many private repos we plan on having |
| 19:48.48 | JeffM | I can't thinkj of any reason to have a private one |
| 19:49.30 | JeffM | does bitbucket have any paid plans? |
| 19:49.39 | blast007 | yes |
| 19:49.42 | JeffM | ok |
| 19:50.02 | JeffM | they both should have some kind of income stream, I'd be leery of a system that didn't have some way to make money |
| 19:50.37 | alezakos | If you have a server with lots of RAM free, you can even host your own private git repo |
| 19:50.43 | JeffM | no thanks |
| 19:50.49 | blast007 | only thing bitbucket's paid plans give you is the ability to have more uses access your private repos |
| 19:50.54 | JeffM | user management of that is FUGLY |
| 19:50.57 | JeffM | ok |
| 19:51.11 | JeffM | how important do you think private repos will be? |
| 19:51.38 | JeffM | I know they are for you and your stuff, but I mean for a bzflag style project |
| 19:51.52 | blast007 | only thing I had thought of putting in a private repo was the bzflag.net-style zone file, because that included names/emails of the people who have records |
| 19:52.00 | JeffM | ok |
| 19:52.04 | JeffM | that's valid |
| 19:52.11 | blast007 | but if we're not gonna do our own DNS hosting, that's not relevant |
| 19:52.15 | JeffM | k |
| 19:52.55 | JeffM | is there any advantage to dns being on the same VCS as the codebase? |
| 19:53.06 | blast007 | nope |
| 19:53.23 | JeffM | account bookeeping is the only thing I can think of |
| 19:53.55 | JeffM | but really the differences between the services are very minor |
| 19:54.27 | blast007 | github does definitely have a few nicer things |
| 19:54.37 | JeffM | I see some mention here that free public bitbucket repos are limited to 5 colaborators |
| 19:54.39 | JeffM | is that true? |
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| 19:54.58 | blast007 | no https://bitbucket.org/plans |
| 19:55.18 | blast007 | hmm, let me verify that actually |
| 19:56.48 | JeffM | yeah that plans page isn't quite clear |
| 19:57.41 | blast007 | I thought it used to specifically mention that public repos have no limit |
| 19:58.01 | blast007 | https://confluence.atlassian.com/display/BITBUCKET/Plans+and+billing |
| 19:58.02 | JeffM | from what I see it's no limit of number of repositories, but each is limted to 5 users |
| 19:58.11 | JeffM | ok |
| 19:58.15 | JeffM | that's clear |
| 19:58.39 | JeffM | that first page really wanted me to give them 10$ :) |
| 19:58.46 | blast007 | ;D |
| 19:58.58 | khonkhortisan | clone it for every 5 users |
| 19:59.22 | blast007 | :P |
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| 19:59.44 | blast007 | JeffM: and for the private repos, I think the 5 user limit is across the whole account, not per repo |
| 19:59.50 | JeffM | ahh |
| 19:59.51 | khonkhortisan | let's what other emoticons we can get out of blast |
| 20:00.04 | JeffM | I'm looking to see what the paid user limits are for github just so we can compare |
| 20:00.47 | alezakos | https://github.com/plans |
| 20:00.59 | alezakos | There are no limits for users, just for the number of private repos |
| 20:01.00 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: ಠ_ಠ |
| 20:01.02 | JeffM | the 7$ paid plan at github gives you 5 private repos with uniimted users |
| 20:01.03 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:01.14 | allejo | JeffM, blast007, yea private repos are limited to 5 users for a private repo. unlimited for public repos |
| 20:01.20 | allejo | for bitbucket that is |
| 20:01.42 | JeffM | do ether system let you login with google or some other authentication system? |
| 20:01.42 | allejo | is bz going to be on a private repo? |
| 20:01.43 | khonkhortisan | nooo [0CA0]_[0CA0] |
| 20:02.04 | blast007 | so it depends on if we'd have private repos at all, and if we did, if we'd have more repos, or more users accessing the repos |
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| 20:02.18 | allejo | bitbucket lets you login with google |
| 20:02.26 | blast007 | "woo" |
| 20:02.35 | blast007 | I consider that a negative feature :P |
| 20:02.37 | JeffM | I'm just curious mostly |
| 20:02.59 | JeffM | the internet seems to think that github is used more then bitbucket |
| 20:03.06 | JeffM | but they both seem to activly be getting features |
| 20:03.23 | allejo | i think github just has the bigger name |
| 20:03.34 | blast007 | and the louder users :P |
| 20:03.35 | khonkhortisan | I won't consider openid a practical solution to logging in on multiple websites until I can use one openid to log into other openid websites - that is, merging accounts between providers. |
| 20:03.38 | JeffM | possibly |
| 20:04.10 | allejo | what blast007 said :P i think github only got it's fame because linus talked about it |
| 20:04.20 | JeffM | well I'd still say I'd give the nod to github for what we need, but bitbucket will work perfectly well |
| 20:04.40 | allejo | github looks prettier imo |
| 20:04.53 | khonkhortisan | they just moved some of the buttons recently |
| 20:04.53 | JeffM | I am less concerned about the look then the featureset |
| 20:05.06 | JeffM | the issue tracker is ever so slightly better |
| 20:05.30 | allejo | khonkhortisan, i saw that. i'm kinda liking the new look |
| 20:05.47 | JeffM | yeah it wasn't a SF class bad change |
| 20:05.56 | blast007 | hehehe |
| 20:05.56 | khonkhortisan | doesn't take too long to find the buttons |
| 20:06.14 | blast007 | "Github will be moving to the Metro interface" |
| 20:06.56 | JeffM | yeah they moved the tabs from horizontal to vertical and added some more features you can access right from the web interface |
| 20:07.17 | JeffM | you can attach pull requests to tickets in github, does bitbucket have something similar? |
| 20:07.25 | khonkhortisan | I'd like zen mode if I could have a tiny font |
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| 20:08.28 | JeffM | what really amazes me is the fact that we' ve been able to have a sane and rational conversation comparing them :) |
| 20:08.43 | blast007 | heh |
| 20:08.51 | JeffM | maybe git's too mainstream now |
| 20:09.04 | JeffM | the VCS hipsters have moved to something else |
| 20:09.30 | blast007 | nah, they're just busy rebasing their repos at the moment. they'll be here shortly. |
| 20:09.37 | JeffM | heh |
| 20:09.44 | JeffM | or weeding through pull requests |
| 20:10.29 | blast007 | PULL! *bang* |
| 20:10.42 | khonkhortisan | I haven't used bitbucket. Another game I play uses github, that's why I'm familiar with it. |
| 20:10.44 | JeffM | that's the best part about goin shooting |
| 20:11.00 | JeffM | I do think they are both very similar |
| 20:11.20 | khonkhortisan | I went distributed, now centralized is behind me |
| 20:11.33 | JeffM | it all depends on what your needs are |
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| 20:11.53 | JeffM | we'd still need to manage like we do SVN, we don't want massive code dumps |
| 20:12.04 | JeffM | but that's a social problem not a techincal one |
| 20:13.15 | JeffM | blast007, how long do we want to let the name game go on? |
| 20:13.36 | blast007 | we gonna do any more with the poll? |
| 20:13.46 | JeffM | it seems to have petered out |
| 20:13.55 | JeffM | I don't thinkg forum posting it is wise |
| 20:14.00 | blast007 | yeah... |
| 20:14.09 | blast007 | the signal to noise ratio would be an issue then ;) |
| 20:14.17 | JeffM | it has a signal? |
| 20:14.40 | blast007 | yeah, but unfortunately on the same frequency as the microwave |
| 20:15.30 | JeffM | I don't think swigg__ is going to get a responce from the OC people in a timely manner, so we can probalby just call it |
| 20:15.51 | blast007 | and even then, it's going to be far more expensive |
| 20:15.55 | JeffM | and those domains ain't worth hundereds of bucks |
| 20:15.56 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:16.30 | JeffM | it's nice that he was willing to try but it's just not feasable |
| 20:16.32 | blast007 | additionally, I don't even know the proper way to buy a domain from someone to ensure we don't get screwed |
| 20:17.06 | JeffM | thats why I told him, HE'd have to buy it then transfer it to you outright |
| 20:17.20 | blast007 | :) |
| 20:18.56 | JeffM | So slapdash underpants it is then |
| 20:19.44 | blast007 | Will different brands of underpants be sold for Slapdash Bucks? |
| 20:19.54 | JeffM | garters |
| 20:20.03 | alpha1-2 | ??? :P |
| 20:20.09 | JeffM | and underpands for your head |
| 20:20.14 | JeffM | hatpants |
| 20:20.14 | blast007 | awesome |
| 20:20.27 | alpha1-2 | (if I don't understand "normal" English, worse THIS) |
| 20:20.28 | JeffM | "Fruit of the Loom Pack" |
| 20:21.01 | JeffM | only aduts can get the access to the GString section of the store |
| 20:21.09 | alpha1-2 | time of jokes maybe? :) |
| 20:21.22 | JeffM | Municipality of Jokes |
| 20:21.28 | alpha1-2 | he he he |
| 20:21.35 | alpha1-2 | wrong time for me then :P |
| 20:21.50 | alpha1-2 | i ll back tonigh when your are "serious" he he he |
| 20:21.58 | alpha1-2 | (joke) |
| 20:22.06 | alpha1-2 | tonight* |
| 20:22.25 | JeffM | can we change PZ to The Twilight ZOne and have techno music play when you go in? |
| 20:22.38 | alpha1-2 | can I do a smart question? :P |
| 20:22.45 | JeffM | always |
| 20:22.48 | alpha1-2 | he he he |
| 20:22.56 | JeffM | real always trumps silly |
| 20:23.25 | alpha1-2 | Is it possible that having opened IRC while I play BZ, it can make a little jumps in my game (considering a lag of 250 in this case)? |
| 20:23.39 | JeffM | depends on your system but sure |
| 20:23.48 | JeffM | anything that lowers your frame rate will cause lag |
| 20:23.55 | JeffM | what if your FPS? |
| 20:23.55 | blast007 | alpha1-2: what kind of frame rate do you get in the game? |
| 20:24.17 | alpha1-2 | I have 60 in general but let me check now (with and without IRC) |
| 20:25.07 | blast007 | turning vsync off could possibly help |
| 20:25.41 | blast007 | with vsync on, I believe that your game will drop to 30FPS if it goes below 60 |
| 20:26.57 | alpha1-2 | I have 60 |
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| 20:27.09 | blast007 | alpha1-2: while playing? |
| 20:27.13 | alpha1-2 | yes |
| 20:27.47 | blast007 | 60FPS is about 17ms per frame |
| 20:27.50 | alpha1-2 | vsync you mean in game options? |
| 20:28.09 | blast007 | no, it'd be in your driver |
| 20:28.16 | alpha1-2 | ah |
| 20:28.23 | blast007 | probably not the issue, but worth playing with |
| 20:28.50 | alpha1-2 | nwhat does vsync mean? |
| 20:28.52 | blast007 | I'm thinking there was some way to tell SDL to disable that.. let me check |
| 20:29.12 | blast007 | vertical sync. |
| 20:29.16 | alpha1-2 | I don't want to change much my configuration BTW :P |
| 20:29.40 | blast007 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_tearing |
| 20:30.43 | alpha1-2 | complicated |
| 20:30.45 | alpha1-2 | :P |
| 20:30.58 | alpha1-2 | but interesting |
| 20:31.18 | alpha1-2 | However, because vertical synchronization causes input lag, it interferes with the interactive nature of games,[2] and particularly interferes with games that require precise timing or fast reaction times. |
| 20:32.19 | alpha1-2 | I have the super YaST tool for all configurations BTW ! mayb there .... |
| 20:35.45 | alpha1-2 | I had previously SaX tools, after YaST tools with SaX link, but now: nothing (GUI) :( |
| 20:36.09 | alpha1-2 | I remember lot of featurs in your card configuration |
| 20:36.52 | alpha1-2 | now it is all auto, but maybe some console tools |
| 20:38.10 | blast007 | try this from a terminal: vblank_mode=0 bzflag |
| 20:38.29 | alpha1-2 | :S.... and after? |
| 20:38.38 | alpha1-2 | can I restart it? |
| 20:38.45 | blast007 | that will launch bzflag, so check the FPS then |
| 20:39.10 | alpha1-2 | is hat a console variable? |
| 20:39.12 | alpha1-2 | that* |
| 20:39.15 | alpha1-2 | shell* |
| 20:39.18 | blast007 | environment variable, yes |
| 20:39.38 | alpha1-2 | what does it do? |
| 20:40.05 | alpha1-2 | vertical blanking interval? |
| 20:40.06 | blast007 | disables vsync (also known as vertical blanking, or vblank) for one session of BZFlag |
| 20:40.32 | alpha1-2 | no riskes? :P |
| 20:40.38 | blast007 | nope |
| 20:40.44 | alpha1-2 | ok.............. |
| 20:42.44 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 20:42.48 | alpha1-2 | 60 again |
| 20:42.55 | alpha1-2 | but in console said this: |
| 20:42.59 | alpha1-2 | ATTENTION: default value of option vblank_mode overridden by environment. |
| 20:43.00 | alpha1-2 | ATTENTION: default value of option vblank_mode overridden by environment. |
| 20:43.02 | alpha1-2 | ATTENTION: option value of option vblank_mode ignored. |
| 20:43.08 | blast007 | heh, okay then... |
| 20:49.03 | alpha1-2 | is v-sync related to interlaced mode maybe? |
| 20:49.37 | blast007 | no, but don't worry about it.. like I said, it probably wasn't the issue |
| 20:49.51 | blast007 | do you use wifi? |
| 20:49.55 | alpha1-2 | no |
| 20:50.09 | alpha1-2 | ok, better if I don't chang anything :P |
| 20:50.13 | alpha1-2 | change* |
| 20:50.20 | blast007 | is your internet connection shared with other people? |
| 20:50.29 | alpha1-2 | just a little wondered about if IRC could disturb some game feature |
| 20:50.48 | alpha1-2 | yes |
| 20:51.11 | alpha1-2 | I can play normally with 60 BTW |
| 20:51.11 | blast007 | then it could even be other people hitting a web page on another computer |
| 20:51.44 | alpha1-2 | yes it can be possible |
| 20:52.29 | alpha1-2 | ok, then, any kind of net thing cans disturb much/little the game right? |
| 20:53.05 | blast007 | yup |
| 20:53.25 | blast007 | an email checker, IRC, voice chat.. |
| 20:53.31 | swigg__ | it's either much or little |
| 20:53.33 | alpha1-2 | I thought that IRC was something "light" :) but maybe other causes apart of it in this moment (time of the day, it's 17:50 here) |
| 20:53.50 | blast007 | the IRC protocol is pretty light, yes |
| 20:53.54 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 20:54.02 | alpha1-2 | thanks then |
| 20:54.06 | blast007 | could be the CPU usage of your IRC client though |
| 20:54.26 | swigg__ | I would check drivers as well |
| 20:54.44 | swigg__ | I've seen video/sound drivers cause weird lag/jitter ingame |
| 20:54.47 | blast007 | he's on linux |
| 20:54.56 | alpha1-2 | In the last days I was sometimes nr too.... then I'll research more if it is often |
| 20:55.10 | blast007 | okay |
| 20:55.12 | swigg__ | Remember that AMD now has new linux drivers |
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| 20:55.35 | blast007 | he has Intel |
| 20:56.06 | alpha1-2 | yes, not much problem tbh in general, and I am happy that I can play 3D games with free drivers finaly |
| 20:56.15 | alpha1-2 | finally* |
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