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| 01:12.37 | djGrothe | Hello again, I installed all system updates, and bzflag works again, however, I can't play for 5 minutes before being kicked because my jitter is too high, what should I do? |
| 01:17.20 | blast007 | are you using wifi? |
| 01:18.02 | blast007 | oh, and I had sent this, but I think you had already close your client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE |
| 01:18.30 | blast007 | my guess you have a very similar system to mine - perhaps a Pentium M with a 400MHz FSB like they mention there |
| 01:19.03 | blast007 | (which *does* actually have PAE, but the CPUID flag doesn't get set) |
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| 01:26.40 | blast007 | note that it applies to Lubuntu in that wiki page, but it might give you a possible method to upgrade your Mint system as well |
| 01:26.56 | blast007 | but if it's working now, I'd just stick with the LTS version you're on :) |
| 01:27.33 | blast007 | djGrothe: still curious about the wifi though |
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| 01:57.51 | apeman_ | how do you message team chat on bzadmin |
| 02:04.39 | blast007 | apeman_: do you have the curses UI version, or just stdboth? |
| 02:05.29 | blast007 | (if you have colors and a "Send to all: " at the bottom, you have curses) |
| 02:07.10 | apeman_ | i have the plain text one that where i type it overwrites the text |
| 02:09.14 | blast007 | you could try doing /msg >team Some Message Here |
| 02:09.32 | blast007 | or rebuild with ncurses :) |
| 02:10.18 | blast007 | with ncurses you even get a pop down menu (via F2) that you can use to see the scoreboard, as well as adjust BZDB variables and the message filters for bzadmin |
| 02:11.26 | apeman_ | wow it worked |
| 02:11.32 | apeman_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:12.08 | blast007 | there's also >admin to send it to the admin channel |
| 02:13.28 | blast007 | heh... seems it's also possible to join a game as >team and >admin, which we should probably disallow.. :) |
| 02:30.29 | apeman_ | lol |
| 02:42.00 | djGrothe | so sorry gone so long, yes I am using wifi |
| 02:44.44 | blast007 | could be that |
| 02:44.48 | djGrothe | thanks for the PAE suggestion, will have to try it |
| 02:45.02 | blast007 | easy way to test if the wifi is the issue is to play a game wired and see if it goes away |
| 02:45.28 | blast007 | also, if you're playing on battery, try playing on AC power instead (on battery it might be more agressive with power management) |
| 02:45.48 | djGrothe | what is jitter? |
| 02:45.59 | blast007 | additionally, if your frame rate in the game is too low, that can also add jitter, so check that (press 't' while in game to see the FPS meter) |
| 02:46.11 | blast007 | jitter is variation in network latency |
| 02:47.11 | blast007 | so, if your lag is averaging 150ms, but you have 20ms jitter, that means your actual latency is varying from 130 to 170ms (or maybe it's from 140 to 160ms...) |
| 02:47.44 | blast007 | you can check your lag, jitter, and packet loss by running the /lagstats command in-game (send it via chat) |
| 02:48.09 | djGrothe | I wish servers weren't so strict |
| 02:48.17 | blast007 | you'll get back something like 120ms +/- 10ms, where the first part is the lag, the part after the +/- is 10ms |
| 02:48.21 | blast007 | why? |
| 02:48.38 | blast007 | you'd rather be unable to hit anyone because their tanks are jumping all over the place? |
| 02:48.50 | djGrothe | I get kicked constantly!! |
| 02:49.01 | blast007 | well, fix your network connection ;) |
| 02:49.56 | blast007 | what does it tell you your jitter is at? |
| 02:50.52 | djGrothe | 76 ms |
| 02:50.58 | djGrothe | :( |
| 02:51.00 | blast007 | oh geez, yeah, that's absolutely horrid |
| 02:51.31 | blast007 | my servers, for instance, kick for any higher than 15ms jitter :) |
| 02:51.52 | djGrothe | I'm never playing on your servers!!! |
| 02:52.18 | blast007 | ;D |
| 02:52.27 | djGrothe | change my internet to wired? I only have wifi |
| 02:52.42 | blast007 | eh |
| 02:52.53 | blast007 | you have no wired port on your computer? |
| 02:53.31 | djGrothe | yes, but what do I plug into it? |
| 02:53.55 | blast007 | one of the LAN ports on your router? |
| 02:54.57 | djGrothe | ah |
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| 02:57.00 | blast007 | assuming it's an actual RJ45 network port on your computer and not a modem port ;) |
| 02:57.09 | blast007 | my laptop has both |
| 02:57.24 | djGrothe | it also says my packet loss is too high |
| 02:57.31 | djGrothe | :| |
| 02:57.52 | blast007 | are you a ways away from your wireless access point or are there a few walls between you and the access point? |
| 02:58.54 | djGrothe | Actually, my internet comes from a wireless hotspot hosted by another computer |
| 02:59.09 | djGrothe | that maybe slows it down a bit |
| 02:59.20 | blast007 | ah |
| 02:59.54 | blast007 | might also be other nearby access points using the same or overlapping frequency |
| 03:00.36 | djGrothe | maybe |
| 03:01.01 | blast007 | wifi is generally not recommended for fast paced real-time games |
| 03:01.19 | djGrothe | it would be great if bzflag had an ai |
| 03:01.33 | blast007 | it has two, actually |
| 03:01.45 | djGrothe | I haven't seen them |
| 03:01.46 | blast007 | though neither are all that good overall |
| 03:02.15 | blast007 | also, you shouldn't use either of them on public servers |
| 03:02.32 | djGrothe | How do you enable them? |
| 03:02.33 | blast007 | there's solo bots and autopilot |
| 03:03.49 | blast007 | first you have to start your own game server on your LAN, and then you can either start a game client from the terminal like 'bzflag -solo 5' to bring 5 solo bots with you, or you run a second client and press the 9 key (I think.. check the key mapping if not) to trigger autopilot (which takes control of that client) |
| 03:06.28 | djGrothe | they're not so very smart... |
| 03:08.52 | blast007 | the -solo ones work best on simple maps and are quite deadly if you jump ;) |
| 03:09.14 | blast007 | but yeah, like I said, neither are all that good |
| 03:10.06 | djGrothe | at least it's better then getting kicked all the time! :) |
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