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| 17:28.15 | JeffM | *sigh* why do people think that "indy game" is the same as "open source game" |
| 17:28.45 | Snake12534 | What is an indy game? |
| 17:29.03 | JeffM | google |
| 17:29.18 | Snake12534 | ok.. |
| 17:48.09 | blast007 | Yeah, indy games are where you drive an open-cockpit car around a track for 500 miles. Duh! Some people... |
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| 17:51.46 | Snake12534 | JeffM, what are the plugins you had worked on? |
| 17:52.11 | Snake12534 | I just saw allejo's and it's a lot of work |
| 17:52.48 | blast007 | Snake12534: plugins usually *are* a lot of work |
| 17:53.21 | blast007 | especially one like you want that tracks long-term information.. |
| 17:54.13 | blast007 | Snake12534: have you written any plugin yet? |
| 17:54.42 | Snake12534 | No, but one is in progress. |
| 17:54.52 | blast007 | define "in progress" |
| 17:54.56 | blast007 | is code written? |
| 17:55.16 | Snake12534 | No, not yet |
| 17:55.41 | Snake12534 | I am using allejo's plugin starter to help me. |
| 17:55.43 | blast007 | Snake12534: okay, then here's a good one to start out with.. make a greeter plugin. Have it say "Hello %PLAYERNAME%" when someone joins the server, where %PLAYERNAME% is their name |
| 17:56.01 | blast007 | pretty dead simple plugin |
| 17:56.26 | Snake12534 | What is the %? |
| 17:56.45 | blast007 | I just threw that in to show it was a placeholder.. doesn't actual reflect how you would code it |
| 17:57.01 | blast007 | I could have just as easily put $PLAYERNAME or ________ there |
| 17:57.16 | Snake12534 | Thank you blast007, I was looking for a simpler goal before achieving a much complex one. |
| 17:57.20 | JeffM | Snake12534, there is a folder called "plugins" in the source tree |
| 17:57.28 | JeffM | those are all the ones I have worked on ;) |
| 17:57.38 | Snake12534 | on github? |
| 17:57.46 | JeffM | yuo |
| 17:57.50 | JeffM | yup |
| 17:57.55 | JeffM | or sourceforge |
| 17:58.00 | Snake12534 | ok |
| 17:58.02 | JeffM | I wrote the plugins system and the API |
| 17:58.27 | Snake12534 | blast007, do I write this plugin in c++? |
| 17:58.33 | blast007 | JeffM: too bad nobody uses it |
| 17:58.34 | JeffM | yes |
| 17:58.45 | Snake12534 | What is API? |
| 17:58.47 | JeffM | blast007, yeah it was a horrible idea, everyone will just used patches |
| 17:59.02 | JeffM | the functions in bzfs that the plugin calls |
| 17:59.03 | blast007 | Snake12534: google |
| 17:59.22 | JeffM | use your noodle |
| 17:59.32 | Snake12534 | ? |
| 17:59.43 | Snake12534 | what noodle? |
| 17:59.55 | blast007 | and there we have it, folks... |
| 18:00.26 | JeffM | the one in your head |
| 18:00.41 | Snake12534 | ah an indiom |
| 18:00.51 | JeffM | that is not a word |
| 18:01.01 | JeffM | or do you mean an idiom from india? |
| 18:01.03 | Snake12534 | idiom |
| 18:01.32 | JeffM | oh it's an indipedent idiom, it's only 2d and is all artsy |
| 18:01.34 | JeffM | ;) |
| 18:01.49 | Snake12534 | sure |
| 18:02.14 | Snake12534 | whatever floats your boat :) |
| 18:02.26 | JeffM | there ya go skippy |
| 18:02.41 | blast007 | Buoyancy |
| 18:02.55 | JeffM | but since you have done ALL the C++ tutorials you should be fine making a plugin |
| 18:03.15 | JeffM | it's just an example of a polymorphic class with some event methods |
| 18:03.15 | Snake12534 | (I know you don't have a boat or maybe but it's a saying that means whatever makes you happy) - allejo used it twice |
| 18:03.20 | blast007 | I should probably do all the C++ tutorials... :P |
| 18:03.30 | JeffM | blast007, he did them all |
| 18:03.41 | JeffM | every one, on the entire internet! |
| 18:03.45 | blast007 | wow |
| 18:03.46 | JeffM | it must have been impressive |
| 18:03.47 | Snake12534 | well "all" is a bit of an exaggeration |
| 18:03.55 | JeffM | Snake12534, you said all |
| 18:03.57 | blast007 | even that one on that one site? |
| 18:04.09 | JeffM | and we belive everything we read on the internet |
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| 18:04.26 | Snake12534 | I don't know any cpp |
| 18:04.36 | blast007 | but the tutorials |
| 18:04.37 | JeffM | then you should learn that first |
| 18:05.02 | JeffM | you've got to get to orbit before you shoot for the moon |
| 18:05.10 | blast007 | Snake12534: have you at least written and compiled a "hello world" program in c/c++? |
| 18:05.16 | Snake12534 | except for saying "hello world," making a calculator, and making a guessing game. |
| 18:05.17 | JeffM | well first you have to figure out what a rocket is |
| 18:05.22 | Snake12534 | Yes I had. |
| 18:05.39 | blast007 | #include <boost/rocket.h> |
| 18:05.40 | Snake12534 | I am not planning to go on the moon. |
| 18:06.05 | Snake12534 | #include <iostream> |
| 18:06.30 | Snake12534 | using namespace std; |
| 18:06.48 | JeffM | eww |
| 18:06.48 | JeffM | using is evil |
| 18:07.04 | Snake12534 | std doesn't mean what you think but standard library sir ^^ |
| 18:07.22 | JeffM | really? you are going to tell me what std means? |
| 18:07.23 | JeffM | really? |
| 18:07.32 | JeffM | do you know what I do for a living? |
| 18:07.52 | Snake12534 | you said "ewww" in my defense |
| 18:08.04 | blast007 | defence? no |
| 18:08.12 | JeffM | yeah putting a using statement in is bad practice |
| 18:08.20 | JeffM | you end up with conflicts |
| 18:08.20 | Snake12534 | oh |
| 18:08.25 | Snake12534 | why? |
| 18:08.29 | JeffM | it's much better to simply use the namespace with the objects |
| 18:08.45 | Snake12534 | codeblocks tellls me to do it that way |
| 18:08.45 | JeffM | because you may have your own class called string, or io, or something |
| 18:09.01 | blast007 | polluting the global namespace |
| 18:09.04 | JeffM | indeed |
| 18:09.25 | Snake12534 | Is it still functionable? |
| 18:09.36 | JeffM | that is not a word |
| 18:09.40 | Snake12534 | cout << "hello world" << endl; |
| 18:09.54 | blast007 | for a small program it might work fine, but have fun with it later when your program blows up and you have to figure out why |
| 18:09.59 | Snake12534 | Can it still function properly? |
| 18:10.01 | JeffM | yes I know how streams work dude |
| 18:10.05 | JeffM | sure |
| 18:10.10 | JeffM | it's just bad practice |
| 18:10.13 | JeffM | hence the eww |
| 18:10.33 | Snake12534 | what the do I write instead? |
| 18:10.34 | JeffM | std::cout << "hello world" << std::endl; |
| 18:10.54 | Snake12534 | woah |
| 18:10.57 | JeffM | do all the tutorials and then you'll understand more |
| 18:11.02 | JeffM | don't skip them |
| 18:11.04 | JeffM | don't be lazy |
| 18:11.08 | Snake12534 | I never seen that before |
| 18:11.20 | blast007 | that's because you haven't done any good tutorials |
| 18:11.20 | Snake12534 | do I use std for every single statement? |
| 18:11.25 | JeffM | sure because you stoped after the second one, you got bored |
| 18:11.38 | JeffM | do the tutorials and learn, then you'll understand when to use them |
| 18:11.49 | Snake12534 | I've read apeman's book (3 chapters) |
| 18:12.09 | Snake12534 | but he hadn't gave me the 4th chapter yet |
| 18:13.29 | Snake12534 | how do you start out a plugin? |
| 18:13.35 | JeffM | by learning C++ |
| 18:13.43 | JeffM | stop skipping steps |
| 18:13.44 | blast007 | learn how to do basic programming first |
| 18:13.54 | JeffM | you are not doing yourself any favors |
| 18:14.54 | Snake12534 | ok |
| 18:15.19 | Snake12534 | what tutorials did you guys use to learn? |
| 18:15.27 | JeffM | google |
| 18:15.41 | blast007 | I initially took a class in high school and went from there |
| 18:15.44 | JeffM | I didn't learn to program in C or C++ |
| 18:15.50 | Snake12534 | how about youtube? |
| 18:15.53 | JeffM | no |
| 18:15.56 | JeffM | read |
| 18:16.01 | JeffM | use your brain |
| 18:16.05 | blast007 | started with turbo pascal, then went on to borland C++ 4.5 ;D |
| 18:16.10 | Snake12534 | I hate reading but ok |
| 18:16.14 | JeffM | my condolences blast007 |
| 18:16.21 | blast007 | yeah, borland was horrid |
| 18:16.22 | Snake12534 | borderland :) |
| 18:16.29 | JeffM | Snake12534, what do you think programing is, reading |
| 18:16.32 | blast007 | had two build targets... windows 3.1 and 3.11 |
| 18:16.53 | JeffM | I learned on basic on a TRS80 when I was 6, then pascal in high school |
| 18:16.54 | blast007 | oh OWL, how I don't miss you... |
| 18:17.04 | Snake12534 | ok there are many cpp text tutorials, am I expected to read all of them to learn? |
| 18:17.05 | JeffM | then assembly |
| 18:17.17 | JeffM | Snake12534, start with one set and go |
| 18:17.25 | JeffM | and yes you READ them |
| 18:17.26 | Snake12534 | ok |
| 18:17.36 | blast007 | I guess technically I was doing programming earlier than high school.. had Lego Logo in 3rd and 4th grade |
| 18:17.37 | JeffM | get over it and do the work |
| 18:18.12 | Snake12534 | I am in 7th grade and no one has any programming experience whatsoever |
| 18:18.20 | JeffM | lets see what steam has in store for me today |
| 18:18.30 | Snake12534 | including teachers |
| 18:18.35 | JeffM | Snake12534, then sounds like the perfect time to learn on your own |
| 18:18.46 | blast007 | Snake12534: and no IT person? |
| 18:18.59 | Snake12534 | no |
| 18:19.17 | blast007 | so you guys don't have any computers or servers? |
| 18:19.25 | JeffM | is the teacher your mom? |
| 18:20.31 | Snake12534 | no I go to public school |
| 18:20.41 | Snake12534 | and we have computers |
| 18:20.43 | JeffM | makes sense |
| 18:20.48 | JeffM | put in some effort |
| 18:20.55 | JeffM | take a few days to learn how to program |
| 18:21.01 | Snake12534 | we just don't have anyone without programming exp |
| 18:21.01 | Snake12534 | ok |
| 18:21.05 | JeffM | it isn't that hard if you try and take it all logically |
| 18:21.10 | Snake12534 | learncpp.com |
| 18:21.12 | JeffM | think about what you read and what it means |
| 18:21.15 | blast007 | Snake12534: who fixes your computers when they break? |
| 18:21.30 | JeffM | ninjas |
| 18:21.42 | JeffM | well or nintendo |
| 18:21.53 | Snake12534 | I am not positive but either the art teacher or they call the district |
| 18:21.53 | JeffM | still using the wii browser for IRC? |
| 18:21.57 | blast007 | I prefer to think of myself as a half ninja half wizard |
| 18:22.02 | Snake12534 | No |
| 18:22.13 | JeffM | and ninjizard? |
| 18:22.18 | Snake12534 | i used to, nos I use iPo |
| 18:22.18 | Snake12534 | iPod |
| 18:22.26 | JeffM | oh god |
| 18:22.29 | blast007 | .... |
| 18:22.33 | JeffM | wow |
| 18:22.39 | JeffM | dude get a real client |
| 18:22.55 | Snake12534 | I had been the past month with iPod |
| 18:23.05 | JeffM | yeah and you disconnect all the time |
| 18:23.14 | Snake12534 | When I leave it idle |
| 18:23.20 | blast007 | and you have no logs |
| 18:23.21 | Snake12534 | for 180 seconds |
| 18:23.27 | JeffM | bleh COD blops and some other crap |
| 18:27.28 | Snake12534 | ok I will dedicate today by reading the entire tutorial today at learncpp.com, bye thanks blast007 and JeffM |
| 18:27.38 | JeffM | days |
| 18:27.39 | JeffM | not a day |
| 18:27.50 | JeffM | do it until it all makes sense |
| 18:28.04 | JeffM | you keep setting unrealistic goals |
| 18:28.10 | JeffM | you don't need an end date |
| 18:28.12 | JeffM | just learn |
| 18:28.29 | JeffM | when you know enough to write a plugin you will know it |
| 18:28.35 | blast007 | I've been learning C++ since 2001 |
| 18:28.46 | JeffM | yeah you never stop learning stuff |
| 18:28.56 | JeffM | auto and lambdas FTW! |
| 18:29.12 | blast007 | I still barely know C++... |
| 18:31.27 | blast007 | oh, so he *was* actually using a real client? |
| 18:32.13 | JeffM | a real crappy one it seems |
| 18:33.50 | blast007 | probably just crap wifi |
| 18:50.58 | ashvala | nah, the thing with IRC clients on iOS is that sometimes, they just quit when your machine's put to sleep. |
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| 18:51.52 | JeffM | yeah it's not a great platform for being connected :) |
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| 18:57.12 | Snake12534_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.58 | Snake12534_ | it won't load genocide flag |
| 19:00.21 | JeffM | gave up after 30 min, impressive |
| 19:00.41 | Snake12534_ | ah I see! |
| 19:00.59 | Snake12534_ | zoneflag T 2 zoneflag G 1 to zoneflag T 2 and zoneflag G |
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| 19:07.03 | Snake12534_ | hi apeman |
| 19:08.00 | apeman | hi |
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| 19:11.09 | Snake12534_ | apeman, can you give me the links to the chapters of the c++ book? |
| 19:11.53 | JeffM | Snake12534_, that's stuff for a private message |
| 19:12.04 | JeffM | we don't need to see you violate copyright |
| 19:12.34 | Snake12534_ | > |
| 19:12.35 | Snake12534_ | ? |
| 19:13.40 | Snake12534 | how does it violate copyright? |
| 19:13.49 | JeffM | who is the author of the book? |
| 19:13.58 | Snake12534 | let me check |
| 19:14.18 | Snake12534 | C++ A Beginner’s Guide by Herbert Schildt |
| 19:14.50 | JeffM | yeah that's copyrighted |
| 19:15.09 | Snake12534 | I have it downloaded on adobe reader |
| 19:16.44 | JeffM | yeah that's probalby not a legit thing |
| 19:16.56 | Snake12534 | I wasn't allowed to download it? |
| 19:17.10 | JeffM | it's copywriten material |
| 19:17.18 | JeffM | you are suposed to buy the book on amazon |
| 19:17.37 | JeffM | someone proalby converted it to a PDF and uploaded it with out the author's permision |
| 19:18.01 | Snake12534 | Do I go to jail then? |
| 19:18.25 | JeffM | no, your parrents would |
| 19:19.14 | Snake12534 | do I just get rid of it then? |
| 19:19.27 | JeffM | this is not a legal forum |
| 19:19.30 | JeffM | it's not our deal |
| 19:19.48 | JeffM | I just don't want you asking about copywriten stuff here, it's all logged |
| 19:20.03 | Snake12534 | ok |
| 19:20.11 | JeffM | looks like the kindle edition is only 15$ |
| 19:20.17 | JeffM | pretty good for a C++ book |
| 19:20.46 | Snake12534 | oh well, I'm deleting it anyways, I'll be reading from learncpp.com |
| 19:22.14 | Snake12534 | okay, it's gone |
| 19:22.34 | JeffM | copyright is very important in this channel, it's what is preventing people from using bzflag in comercial systems or people making it closed source |
| 19:22.57 | Snake12534 | ah |
| 19:23.10 | Snake12534 | how was I suppose to know that it wasn't public by the author though? |
| 19:23.16 | JeffM | you read |
| 19:23.31 | JeffM | and you think |
| 19:24.07 | JeffM | this is why there is a minium maturity level needed to function properly on the internet |
| 19:24.55 | Snake12534 | http://www.scribd.com/doc/24367075/C-A-Beginner%E2%80%99s-Guide-by-Herbert-Schildt |
| 19:25.29 | Snake12534 | is it illegal to reading that link? |
| 19:26.56 | apeman | actually the author released a free to download earlier version in XPS |
| 19:27.46 | JeffM | ahh |
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| 20:23.21 | blast007 | "free" is kinda vague. doesn't necessarily mean he gave redistribution rights or file format conversion rights. |
| 20:27.55 | JeffM | it was "published" by someone else, so the rights there are not clear |
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| 20:33.49 | blast007 | https://web.archive.org/web/20080506095914/http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/beginner/cc305129.aspx |
| 20:34.49 | blast007 | so it's more likely that there was some licensing deal with Microsoft |
| 20:36.16 | JeffM | ahh |
| 20:36.26 | blast007 | later versions of the page (in 2011) show "The C++ Beginner's Guide has been retired because our contract with the publisher has expired." |
| 20:36.28 | JeffM | the publisher's site didn't mention anything |
| 20:36.55 | JeffM | oh so it may not be available now |
| 20:37.01 | JeffM | that would make sense |
| 20:37.06 | JeffM | still it's a super cheap book |
| 20:37.09 | JeffM | and well reviewed |
| 20:40.38 | JeffM | oooooo, there is a steamworks API wraper for unity :) |
| 20:40.59 | blast007 | do you *have* to use steamworks? |
| 20:41.21 | JeffM | to be on steam? |
| 20:41.30 | blast007 | yes |
| 20:41.42 | JeffM | yeah you have to implement a minium feature set |
| 20:41.55 | JeffM | at least steam security and the friends list integration |
| 20:41.59 | JeffM | and work with the overlay |
| 20:42.07 | JeffM | you don't have to do acheivements |
| 20:42.15 | JeffM | or authentication and networking |
| 20:42.24 | JeffM | some of the MMOs do there own auth and networking |
| 20:42.29 | blast007 | "security" meaning what? DRM? |
| 20:42.35 | JeffM | efectivly yeah |
| 20:42.43 | JeffM | the system has to have steam on it |
| 20:42.51 | JeffM | thats why it'd never work for bzflag proper |
| 20:42.54 | blast007 | I thought some games on steam don't use the steam DRM |
| 20:42.57 | JeffM | nobody could build there own client |
| 20:43.14 | JeffM | as far as I know you are suposed to |
| 20:43.18 | JeffM | it's part of the packaging system |
| 20:43.24 | blast007 | hmm |
| 20:43.25 | JeffM | maybe some older ones like quake got around it |
| 20:43.42 | JeffM | for greenlight stuff you are suposed to implement the basic steamworks stuff |
| 20:43.50 | blast007 | wonder if you could have a launcher app that has some of those pieces and then have a cleaner game bin |
| 20:44.04 | JeffM | I don't see why they'd bother allowing that |
| 20:44.09 | blast007 | *shrug* |
| 20:44.25 | JeffM | steam doesn't exist to be nice, it exists to sell hats |
| 20:44.35 | blast007 | :) |
| 20:44.48 | JeffM | it'll be interesting to see what linux games get ported and how they change |
| 20:45.11 | JeffM | I see a number of games that simply say that the steam version is not compatable with other versions |
| 20:45.19 | JeffM | but that may depend on who you have run servers |
| 20:45.30 | JeffM | if steam runs servers for you then I can see it using it's own system |
| 20:45.53 | JeffM | it's just not as simple as "oh it's linux, put it on steam" |
| 20:46.49 | JeffM | that said the steamworks API is suposed to be pretty slick, it'd replace the entire list server system |
| 20:47.02 | JeffM | global chat, friends lists, etc.. |
| 20:49.09 | JeffM | greenlight is a bit of a pain, you need to have a group of people willing to upvote it above the rabble |
| 20:49.39 | blast007 | if we'd want to try a distribution platform eventually, Desura might be a better option |
| 20:49.58 | blast007 | they open-sourced their client software |
| 20:50.05 | JeffM | probably |
| 20:50.14 | JeffM | steam would ask how bzflag is different then this, http://store.steampowered.com/app/214420 |
| 20:51.28 | JeffM | that's bassicly what I've alaways envisioned bzflag as capable of being |
| 20:52.25 | JeffM | but yeah I had controll of copyright I'd submit it desura in a heartbeat |
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| 21:47.39 | thrakattak | forum help request... |
| 21:48.00 | thrakattak | (happy inter-holidays btw) |
| 21:48.30 | JeffM | what did you need help with? |
| 21:48.50 | thrakattak | thanks Jeff. i have a couple msgs i sent yesterday that are still in my out box. |
| 21:49.24 | JeffM | forum messages are not email |
| 21:49.28 | JeffM | they stay there till they are read |
| 21:50.10 | thrakattak | oh. i knew this would be educational. so they stay in my outbox until designated recipient reads them, then they disappear from outbox? |
| 21:50.21 | JeffM | yes |
| 21:50.27 | thrakattak | cool. thanks. |
| 21:50.32 | JeffM | it's so you can unsend them |
| 21:50.37 | thrakattak | ah. makes sense. cool. |
| 21:50.52 | thrakattak | another question (in addition to this one)? |
| 21:51.00 | JeffM | the messages always stay on the same system, they are not "Sent" anywhere |
| 21:51.11 | thrakattak | ah cool. nice. |
| 21:51.12 | JeffM | so the concept of "inbox" and "outbox" is different |
| 21:52.22 | thrakattak | sorta has built in return receipt. nice. |
| 21:53.32 | JeffM | yup |
| 21:54.24 | thrakattak | was noticing something on a couple maps, need help determining if is an issue... and if is then what to do about it |
| 21:54.34 | thrakattak | players were periodically being killed by server |
| 21:54.50 | JeffM | does it say why? |
| 21:55.09 | thrakattak | not in the chat window... just the notification that they were killed |
| 21:55.21 | JeffM | does the map have world weapons? |
| 21:55.24 | thrakattak | and there is no map feature that we have installed that should do that |
| 21:55.26 | thrakattak | nope |
| 21:55.35 | JeffM | could be the security checks |
| 21:55.40 | JeffM | speed and stuff |
| 21:55.54 | JeffM | how much debug logging does the server run? |
| 21:55.55 | thrakattak | that is what i am wondering... have a server log scrape if you'd like to peek |
| 21:56.11 | thrakattak | i think it is just -d, but will need to confirmm that later |
| 21:56.12 | JeffM | how many Ds was the server started with |
| 21:56.16 | apeman | i thought security checks do kicks but never kills |
| 21:56.18 | JeffM | that's probalby not enough |
| 21:56.28 | JeffM | different checks were implemented differently |
| 21:56.35 | JeffM | the joy of unmanaged open source |
| 21:56.42 | thrakattak | can i pm you a link with log info i do have? |
| 21:56.51 | JeffM | not really |
| 21:56.58 | JeffM | it should be quite clear what it's doing |
| 21:57.03 | JeffM | but a single d won't give you much |
| 21:57.09 | JeffM | 2 or 3 should log all actions |
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| 21:57.20 | JeffM | and are there any plugins loaded? |
| 21:57.25 | thrakattak | right i need to confirm what debug level it is started with |
| 21:57.29 | thrakattak | plugins, yes |
| 21:57.37 | apeman | what does the in-game text say exactly? blew myself up? killed by GHOST? killed by server? |
| 21:57.41 | JeffM | do any of them kill? |
| 21:57.45 | thrakattak | uselessmine |
| 21:57.51 | JeffM | that'd do it :) |
| 21:58.06 | JeffM | mines kill |
| 21:58.08 | thrakattak | but that plugin has a clear message when player triggers it |
| 21:58.09 | thrakattak | sure |
| 21:58.10 | blast007 | that makes a world weapon, no? |
| 21:58.14 | thrakattak | not as such |
| 21:58.19 | JeffM | well it may have a bug |
| 21:58.22 | thrakattak | there is specific message when it is triggered |
| 21:58.26 | JeffM | I'd remove that plugin and see if it goes away |
| 21:58.33 | thrakattak | that is the next step |
| 21:58.49 | apeman | it would say killed by world weapon but the plugin would send text saying "someone killed by someone's mine" |
| 21:59.03 | apeman | the world weapon is the mine |
| 21:59.31 | apeman | wait nvm |
| 22:01.25 | thrakattak | the deaths in question don't appear to be directly related to the triggering of the mine. |
| 22:01.31 | thrakattak | but like Jeff said, could be a bug |
| 22:02.09 | apeman | and its not a map feature? water level? physics with death? |
| 22:02.18 | thrakattak | no, none of that. |
| 22:02.27 | apeman | what server |
| 22:02.55 | thrakattak | urban-test.bzjungle.com:5155 |
| 22:21.55 | blast007 | bz_fireWorldWep("SW",2.0,BZ_SERVER,minepos[i],0,0,i+1000,0); |
| 22:22.16 | blast007 | so, yeah.. the server is the killer :) |
| 22:23.07 | JeffM | yeah you can't have a world weapon assigned to any other player |
| 22:23.12 | JeffM | or we get slot mixups |
| 22:24.26 | apeman | but only the victim would get "killed by world weapon" message because they replace the killer in plugin |
| 22:25.06 | JeffM | I don't remember how much control the plugin has |
| 22:25.21 | JeffM | depends how tricky they got |
| 22:25.29 | apeman | the plugin changes the killer |
| 22:25.54 | apeman | only the victim client knows says it was a world weapon in text |
| 22:27.05 | JeffM | yeah it'll take debugging |
| 22:28.26 | apeman | they dont hav an actual witness who says what really happened (if anything) |
| 22:28.48 | JeffM | perhaps they are just confused about how the plugin works then |
| 22:28.52 | JeffM | cus it's kinda a hack |
| 22:29.05 | apeman | so its down to admin used /kill or plugin bug (look at that dodgy shot ID stuff) |
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| 22:45.35 | blast007 | bzfs doesn't even seem to generate kill messages to the console... |
| 22:46.11 | allejo | lol |
| 22:46.25 | allejo | but it supports printing scores :p |
| 22:46.34 | blast007 | :P |
| 22:46.59 | JeffM | yeah the "got killed by" is client generated |
| 22:47.14 | JeffM | from the death packet |
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