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| 17:39.17 | JeffM_ | ##guleague |
| 17:39.20 | JeffM_ | oops |
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| 19:33.36 | JeffM | aww man... the bzflag website isn't open source :( |
| 19:34.04 | blast007 | wait, what? |
| 19:34.24 | JeffM | it says copyright you and it's code isn't in the svn repo |
| 19:34.27 | JeffM | is it somewhere else? |
| 19:34.41 | JeffM | unless I'm reading it wrong |
| 19:35.17 | JeffM | is it part of your bitbucket? |
| 19:35.30 | blast007 | yeah, bitbucket |
| 19:35.36 | JeffM | ahhh |
| 19:35.54 | blast007 | https://bitbucket.org/blast007/bzflag_main_website |
| 19:36.18 | JeffM | cooleo |
| 19:37.17 | blast007 | though I've come to realize my mvcish will always be subpar, so I need to learn how to use something else ;) |
| 19:38.33 | JeffM | heh |
| 19:39.06 | JeffM | I just like the way it looks |
| 19:39.42 | blast007 | yeah, I like the design, and the code works for what it is |
| 19:40.01 | blast007 | just not something that works for complicated sites as well as other frameworks |
| 19:41.03 | blast007 | Symfony 2 looks like it would be amazing. Just need to dedicated some time/motivation to get into it. |
| 19:41.18 | blast007 | http://webstrategygenius.com/demo/ <--- just look at that debug bar at the bottom :) |
| 19:41.52 | blast007 | and clicking on parts of it brings up a whole ton of information, including a timeline for profiling your code |
| 19:44.16 | JeffM | cool |
| 20:26.38 | JeffM | can anyone do a simple performance test for me? |
| 20:33.12 | blast007 | I can |
| 20:33.20 | JeffM | http://www.bzflag.me/downloads.html |
| 20:33.32 | JeffM | host a game, drive around, and see if it's smooth enough |
| 20:33.40 | JeffM | buttload of geometry in the 3 buildings :) |
| 20:34.35 | blast007 | it'll probably be similar peformance to what you get though |
| 20:35.21 | JeffM | possibly |
| 20:48.12 | blast007 | JeffM: seems pretty smooth here, but I'll try on my laptop now |
| 21:05.22 | blast007 | or maybe I won't try it on my laptop. |
| 21:05.50 | blast007 | "DirectX9 GPU (Shader Model 2.0) is required. Your GPU (Intel(R) 82852/82855 GM/GME Graphics Controller) only supports Shader Model 0.0" and then it crashes when I click OK ;D |
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| 21:34.03 | JeffM | heh, yeah I did use some shaders |
| 21:34.29 | JeffM | there is a way to configure it to not use them on older hardware I think |
| 21:34.41 | JeffM | but then I may have to turn off DX11 |
| 21:38.19 | JeffM | hmm I am curious if your hosted game showed up on the list server |
| 21:56.40 | blast007 | gave me a black screen on an XP system with an nVidia FX 5200 |
| 21:57.18 | blast007 | got one other system I can test on shortly - an XP system with an nVidia 7900 GTO |
| 21:57.49 | JeffM | just let me know when you host a game, I can run it here and see if you show up |
| 21:58.11 | JeffM | it's "suposed" to work thu a nat with out any extra configuration or port forwarding |
| 21:58.37 | JeffM | what graphic quality do you have set? |
| 21:59.01 | blast007 | I had it set on Fantastic.. probably should have started lower on the 5200 ;) |
| 21:59.53 | JeffM | fantastic has too many particles I think |
| 22:02.06 | blast007 | not even sure if I got the "powered by unity" screen on the 5200, but I'll try again after this |
| 22:02.27 | blast007 | hosting a game right now |
| 22:02.41 | JeffM | it showedup, trying to connect :) |
| 22:02.53 | JeffM | looks like it fails |
| 22:03.38 | JeffM | 68.117.129.x |
| 22:03.39 | JeffM | ? |
| 22:03.56 | blast007 | yep |
| 22:06.23 | blast007 | runs quite smooth on this system as well (Core 2 Duo E8400 3GHz, 7900 GTO, 4GB RAM, XP 32-bit) |
| 22:06.37 | JeffM | oh damn, I forgot that the shots have a collider, you can shoot your own shots and have them bounce off each other :) |
| 22:06.39 | JeffM | ok cool |
| 22:06.40 | blast007 | oh, hold on, there was a windows firewall box behind the app ;) |
| 22:06.47 | JeffM | ohh interesting |
| 22:07.36 | blast007 | on Windows 7, the windows firewall also came up but took focus, but then I could not get back into the game and had to kill it and relaunch |
| 22:07.51 | blast007 | I'm hosting again. See if you can connect. |
| 22:07.57 | JeffM | it's trying now |
| 22:08.03 | JeffM | doesn't look like it's working |
| 22:08.08 | JeffM | not all routers support punchthru |
| 22:08.23 | blast007 | using a pfsense box here |
| 22:08.32 | blast007 | but I do have UPnP turned on |
| 22:08.34 | JeffM | well it was just a curiousity |
| 22:08.41 | JeffM | I may not have it setup correctly |
| 22:11.59 | JeffM | that map is nearly unuseable in the editor, too many faces and not enough culling |
| 22:15.59 | blast007 | should I mess with the AGP aperature? it's at 128MB right now but can go up to 256. |
| 22:16.18 | JeffM | that won't change shaders, that just gives the card more ram |
| 22:16.23 | JeffM | how much memory is on the card? |
| 22:16.39 | blast007 | dunno, maybe 128 |
| 22:16.52 | JeffM | then your setting is fine |
| 22:17.13 | JeffM | usualy you don't need to use more system ram then you have card ram unless it's one of the "turbo cache" cards |
| 22:20.33 | blast007 | looks like my previous attempt generated a crash dump and an error log |
| 22:21.13 | blast007 | ah, yep, just crashes, even at 640x480 windowed with the lowest quality |
| 22:21.26 | JeffM | yeah I think I'd have to turn some stuff off |
| 22:21.33 | JeffM | it'd be posible to build a low end client |
| 22:21.46 | JeffM | probalby make the donwload smaller too |
| 22:23.32 | blast007 | dying in Direct3DShaderValidatorCreate9 |
| 22:23.40 | blast007 | want the log/dump? |
| 22:23.54 | JeffM | not really |
| 22:24.03 | JeffM | I am less concerned about those older cards |
| 22:24.13 | blast007 | k |
| 22:24.40 | JeffM | the linux version may run on those chipsets because mesa may emulate it :) |
| 22:24.58 | blast007 | so what you're saying is that I shouldn't pull out my 3dfx or matrox cards to test as well? ;) |
| 22:25.05 | JeffM | no |
| 22:25.34 | blast007 | I don't the matrox one even does Direct3D, much less shaders |
| 22:25.48 | JeffM | the next thing I want to do is authentication and figure out how to make it run headless |
| 22:26.15 | JeffM | everyone can do basic DX3d, it'll just be emuilated if the card has no hardware for it |
| 22:26.21 | JeffM | but DX doesn't emulate shaders |
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