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| 00:45.23 | alpha1-2 | blast007: Hi, is the Privacy Policy something new or it was there since 2013, or maybe before? First time I see it, specially in the Forums. |
| 00:45.36 | blast007 | new |
| 00:46.23 | alpha1-2 | Okay, because it says "Copyright © 2013". |
| 00:47.45 | blast007 | that's just defined in the footer of the template |
| 00:49.40 | alpha1-2 | If you change something or put something new, you don't have to chage the year too? |
| 00:49.49 | alpha1-2 | change* |
| 00:51.21 | blast007 | technically by US law I don't even need to have a copyright notice to have copyright |
| 00:51.25 | alpha1-2 | Specially talking of something legal. |
| 00:51.58 | blast007 | and I don't technically need to include the year either |
| 00:55.05 | alpha1-2 | Okay, I was just saying cause it has *already* a year put on it. But maybe I am wrong. Thanks anyways. |
| 00:55.54 | blast007 | I'm not big on doing mass copyright year updates just because a new year comes around |
| 00:57.17 | alpha1-2 | okay |
| 01:08.52 | alpha1-2 | It seems I was in the right way: |
| 01:08.53 | alpha1-2 | "Of course, most websites and software programs are continually revised and updated. The copyright notice doesn't have to be changed if an update consists only of minor revisions. |
| 01:08.55 | alpha1-2 | However, if an update contains a *substantial amount of new material*, it is considered to be a separate work of authorship in its own right. The notice for such a derivative work should contain the date the new work was published. The notice need not contain the date or dates of the prior version or versions; however, it is common practice to include such dates in the copyright notice." (** added by me) |
| 01:08.56 | alpha1-2 | http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/when-do-you-need-copyright-notice-websites-and-where-do-you-place-it.html |
| 01:08.58 | alpha1-2 | ("Year of Publication" part) |
| 01:08.59 | alpha1-2 | You could include both years "Copyright © 2013-2014", better. |
| 01:10.13 | blast007 | adding a privacy policy isn't a "substantial amount of new material" |
| 01:11.49 | alpha1-2 | it is an important part of a web site, talking legally. "substantial amount of new material" not necessarely means a big amount of material |
| 01:12.17 | blast007 | *shrugs* not worth discussing further |
| 01:15.27 | alpha1-2 | and it will be obligatory for the old registered users, for example the birth date? |
| 01:20.00 | blast007 | what? |
| 01:20.51 | alpha1-2 | you will collect dates of birth, but only for new users or for old ones too? |
| 01:21.40 | blast007 | and technically we don't store the birth date at all |
| 01:22.20 | alpha1-2 | it says "collect and store" |
| 01:22.26 | blast007 | we simply record if the user was 13+ years of age at the time of registration |
| 01:22.35 | blast007 | right, I know what it says.. I wrote it.. |
| 01:22.49 | blast007 | but we don't store the specific birth date, at least yet |
| 01:23.52 | blast007 | but saying we collect the birth date covers what we currently do and more (and was something specifically mentioned as "personal information" in the COPPA guidelines) |
| 01:24.59 | alpha1-2 | revising them again |
| 01:30.40 | alpha1-2 | well, it's correct, just that now it is a new field in the registration form, I suppose. Then I suppose that only it will apply to new accounts. This is al. Thanks. |
| 01:30.51 | alpha1-2 | all* |
| 01:40.22 | blast007 | no, there is no new field |
| 01:41.03 | alpha1-2 | BTW, congrats for the Priv. Policy. It seems rather well written and fair, apart from what I said. I remember still when you said about putting out the Google Analytics features. |
| 01:44.00 | alpha1-2 | ah, okay, it seemed that there was |
| 02:36.42 | alpha1-2 | blast007: excuse me that I continue, but I found and checked the registration form I used and I can see the question about age, as you say. I remember now. But I remember too when you mentioned you were *thinking* to include this Date of Birthday field, though. Then, if can answer now or other day, NP, do you have in mind to include it for the future? and why? Is it recommended by the guidelines? Just wondering. |
| 03:10.01 | alpha1-2 | well, I will check the logs, goodnight |
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| 21:55.43 | alpha1-2 | Another question: if the game is owned by Tim and the website was created (and it's maintained) by blast, isn't it confusing putting in the main game page "Copyright X" where X is not the game owner? Would not be better to put "Web site designed by X"? |
| 21:58.24 | JeffM | except that blast owns the copyright on the website |
| 21:58.32 | JeffM | he did more then design it |
| 21:58.34 | JeffM | it's his |
| 22:00.10 | alpha1-2 | oh, you put together the design + the programation/config? |
| 22:00.13 | JeffM | The thing that Tim has copyright on is marked as his cipyright |
| 22:00.25 | JeffM | blast007 built the entire site anew |
| 22:00.46 | JeffM | it does use some licened content from bzflag |
| 22:00.59 | JeffM | but it is his work |
| 22:01.26 | JeffM | it also uses some other licended components |
| 22:03.19 | alpha1-2 | okay, I unedrstan that but... then people won't confuse the web site with the game itself? like thinking blast is the owner? |
| 22:03.53 | JeffM | sure that could be added to thesite |
| 22:04.04 | JeffM | but it doesn't really matter |
| 22:04.29 | JeffM | anyone intersted in the license of bzflag would look at the product first |
| 22:05.26 | JeffM | I'd maybe just put the word "Website" infront of the copyright notice and leave it |
| 22:06.06 | alpha1-2 | okay, sounds good |
| 22:06.46 | JeffM | It's not going to change anyones behavor tho |
| 22:07.10 | alpha1-2 | what do you mean? |
| 22:07.48 | alpha1-2 | about the real organization? |
| 22:07.49 | JeffM | clarifying who has copyrigh on the website |
| 22:07.52 | JeffM | there is no org |
| 22:09.07 | JeffM | now maybe if it was a google sposerd mobile ARG, then it'd matter |
| 22:09.11 | alpha1-2 | it won't change anything in the real organization of the project, I know, just putting more clarify since the start, just a positive critic |
| 22:10.05 | alpha1-2 | criticism/review* |
| 22:12.43 | alpha1-2 | can't fid that, what is it? |
| 22:12.46 | alpha1-2 | find* |
| 22:12.59 | JeffM | huh? |
| 22:13.06 | alpha1-2 | "google sposerd mobile ARG" |
| 22:14.17 | alpha1-2 | Abbott Realty Group? |
| 22:16.18 | JeffM | Augmented Reality Game |
| 22:16.23 | JeffM | Ingress |
| 22:18.04 | alpha1-2 | okay, but just an idea |
| 22:18.26 | JeffM | it was a joke |
| 22:18.37 | JeffM | It's something Tim is active in |
| 22:18.42 | JeffM | unlike bzflag |
| 22:20.36 | alpha1-2 | ah, I have read :)... those games are interesting though. |
| 22:21.04 | JeffM | sure if you like cavorting around with deamons |
| 22:21.28 | alpha1-2 | hehe |
| 22:21.53 | alpha1-2 | no, just the technology |
| 22:21.54 | JeffM | I prefer my augmented realities to be purely virtual |
| 22:22.30 | alpha1-2 | BZFlag 4.1: Reality Virtual :) |
| 22:22.59 | alpha1-2 | Virtual Reality* |
| 22:23.05 | JeffM | BZFlag is a registered project with Oculus Rift |
| 22:23.32 | alpha1-2 | oh, then Purple Panzer's idea is working? :) |
| 22:23.48 | JeffM | huh? |
| 22:24.24 | alpha1-2 | I have read his post, but maybe the idea was previous to him? |
| 22:24.52 | alpha1-2 | is checking again... |
| 22:25.16 | alpha1-2 | http://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18825 |
| 22:25.49 | JeffM | yes, notice who posted after that |
| 22:26.12 | alpha1-2 | yes, but you don't say if the idea was of him or before him :) |
| 22:26.32 | JeffM | oh I had purched the rift before he posted that |
| 22:26.50 | JeffM | it arrived a couple weeks ago |
| 22:26.52 | alpha1-2 | but you registered the prject *after* his idea right? |
| 22:26.57 | JeffM | no |
| 22:27.08 | JeffM | I regisered it when I pre-orded the DK2 |
| 22:27.14 | alpha1-2 | you win then! hehe |
| 22:27.24 | JeffM | not really |
| 22:27.36 | JeffM | bzflag has supported sterio 3d for a long time |
| 22:27.50 | JeffM | the rift is just a specific implementation of that |
| 22:27.59 | JeffM | on a very cheap device (relativly) |
| 22:28.05 | alpha1-2 | oh interesting |
| 22:28.12 | JeffM | it's a Samsung Galaxy S3 Note you strap to your face |
| 22:28.35 | JeffM | we'd have to upgrade to GL 3 |
| 22:29.02 | JeffM | there may be a way to support it with out rewriting all our rendering code if I can get a GLCompatability context to work bound to a texture |
| 22:29.18 | JeffM | then use the distortion shader to send that to the ift |
| 22:29.21 | JeffM | rift |
| 22:29.27 | JeffM | I am working on some sample code when I have time |
| 22:30.04 | alpha1-2 | then, you mean it won't b a really hard work to make the new compatiblity? (if there is already a support made in some way) |
| 22:30.31 | JeffM | oh it will be hard |
| 22:30.43 | JeffM | it just may not mean "rewrite all drawing code" |
| 22:31.03 | JeffM | to use pure GL3 we'd have to get rid of every call to GLBegin and GLEnd |
| 22:31.08 | JeffM | and all the calls inbetween |
| 22:31.18 | blast007 | is the SDK proper open-source? |
| 22:31.30 | JeffM | yes, with one small license addition |
| 22:31.54 | JeffM | you are considered to be in violation of the license if you use the SDK to make a product that is designed to make people throw up |
| 22:33.02 | JeffM | I don't know about the license of the hardware runtimes |
| 22:33.04 | blast007 | wonder if that's compatible with Debian's licensing stuff ;) |
| 22:33.16 | JeffM | I belive the license is OSI compliant |
| 22:33.37 | blast007 | "Freedom to barf!" |
| 22:34.00 | JeffM | yeah techincaly Sallman would say it's not "free" enough |
| 22:34.08 | JeffM | since you can' use it to make a tortue device |
| 22:34.14 | blast007 | heh |
| 22:34.25 | JeffM | but he also says that about the BSD license |
| 22:34.31 | JeffM | it's not viral enough |
| 22:35.13 | alpha1-2 | oh, then people can become crazy if use them :P "beware, you won't be the same after this..." |
| 22:35.32 | JeffM | we could wrap the rift stuff in an HMD class and make the debian build not link to it if they complained |
| 22:36.00 | JeffM | it's probalby a good idea to do that anyway in case other HMD SDKs come out |
| 22:36.18 | JeffM | I'm still not sure it's a good idea for bzflag's gameplay |
| 22:36.40 | alpha1-2 | then no other GPLed soft if there is license issues? |
| 22:36.49 | alpha1-2 | there are* |
| 22:37.10 | JeffM | not all of our libraries are GPL |
| 22:37.20 | JeffM | so that's not a big deal |
| 22:37.25 | JeffM | specialy since bzflag is LGPL |
| 22:37.34 | JeffM | GPL makes it hard to link to stuff |
| 22:37.40 | JeffM | LGPL makes it simpler |
| 22:37.41 | alpha1-2 | I mean GPL family, including LGPL |
| 22:37.58 | JeffM | LGPL is not viral, so it would not matter what we link to |
| 22:38.14 | JeffM | the windows version links to all sorts of closed source libraries :) |
| 22:38.20 | JeffM | windows SDK, direct X |
| 22:38.22 | JeffM | etc.. |
| 22:38.27 | alpha1-2 | GL3 is still Free? |
| 22:38.41 | JeffM | OpenGL is a standard |
| 22:38.45 | JeffM | not a product |
| 22:38.57 | JeffM | many people have implementatons of openGL under many licenses |
| 22:39.04 | JeffM | mesa is an open source GL implementation |
| 22:39.04 | alpha1-2 | then Rift? |
| 22:39.11 | JeffM | is a display device |
| 22:39.17 | JeffM | its like a fancy monitor |
| 22:39.24 | JeffM | it has a driver |
| 22:39.27 | alpha1-2 | but then what is the major license prblem? |
| 22:39.30 | JeffM | that driver I belive is closed source |
| 22:39.43 | alpha1-2 | mah okay |
| 22:39.45 | alpha1-2 | ah* |
| 22:39.53 | JeffM | there is an SDK that applcations use to format visuals so they look 3d on the rift display |
| 22:40.05 | JeffM | that code is directly used by an application |
| 22:40.14 | JeffM | so they provide the source for that SDK |
| 22:40.19 | JeffM | thre should not be any real license issue |
| 22:40.27 | JeffM | debian wold be stupid to prohibit rift games |
| 22:40.44 | JeffM | specialy since oculus is trying REALY hard to support all 3 platforms |
| 22:40.57 | alpha1-2 | okay, then it is a classic hardware driver issue. We must wait until someone can write a Free one |
| 22:41.17 | JeffM | who's this "we" stuff? |
| 22:41.25 | JeffM | they have a linux driver, it runs great |
| 22:41.39 | alpha1-2 | oh you are make me dizzy then :P |
| 22:41.42 | alpha1-2 | making* |
| 22:41.54 | JeffM | no, you just keep making assumptions that there IS a problem |
| 22:42.11 | JeffM | do you use linux now? |
| 22:42.38 | alpha1-2 | okay, okay, still slow to und. well English and... some tech things |
| 22:43.01 | JeffM | a lot of hardware uses binary blobs that are closed source on linux |
| 22:43.04 | alpha1-2 | I use linux since 1999, almost exclusively |
| 22:43.06 | JeffM | this is simlar |
| 22:43.54 | JeffM | it's bassicly 3 devices in 1, an HDMI monitor, an acceromiter, and a webcam that doesn't take very good pictures. |
| 22:44.01 | JeffM | so those devices have drivers |
| 22:44.04 | alpha1-2 | I know that debian is one of th most... conservative distros, yes |
| 22:44.26 | JeffM | not if they are using the linux kernel :) |
| 22:44.41 | JeffM | if they wanted to go full stallman they'd run HURD |
| 22:44.46 | JeffM | but that don't work so well |
| 22:44.48 | alpha1-2 | yes, true :) |
| 22:45.04 | alpha1-2 | (if I get all right... some complex) |
| 22:46.29 | JeffM | blast007, this is the licene, https://developer.oculusvr.com/license-3.1 |
| 22:48.39 | JeffM | the scary part of the rift is how many projects are marked as "adult" or even worse "Adult MMO" |
| 22:51.09 | JeffM | but for bzflag you'd really want to use a game controller or joystick with the rift |
| 22:51.19 | JeffM | since you can't see your hands when it's on |
| 22:54.20 | alpha1-2 | just a parallel idea: maybe the best way to play BZ would be having 3 monitors and distributing the views along them, like a real simulator (I put a plane simulator video long time ago) |
| 22:54.46 | JeffM | you can do that now |
| 22:55.04 | JeffM | nvidia and ATI drivers have modes for that |
| 22:55.47 | alpha1-2 | okay, I think I saw this, just saying, like you, that maybe 3D glasses are not a good idea finally |
| 22:57.09 | alpha1-2 | well, I will need time to get better this new tech |
| 22:57.58 | alpha1-2 | because one thing would be *looking/seeing/moving your head* and other thing would be moving your tank |
| 22:58.29 | alpha1-2 | some complex :) |
| 22:59.56 | blast007 | I don't really think BZFlag fits with the rift |
| 23:03.24 | alpha1-2 | interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raD1w-NqlgQ |
| 23:05.52 | alpha1-2 | those guys seem crazy moving theirs heads hehe |
| 23:08.08 | alpha1-2 | it seems possible, as I am seeing better (looking + moving), I was some confused |
| 23:17.29 | alpha1-2 | I see the first problem: you are not a person, you are a tank, then there are big differences between both movements. In the video your head moves togeher with the weapon, that means fast. |
| 23:17.55 | alpha1-2 | together* |
| 23:18.44 | JeffM | bzflag's gameplay is simple, it's not designed to let you look behind yourself fast |
| 23:18.58 | JeffM | it breaks the differene between CL and SD |
| 23:19.00 | JeffM | ST |
| 23:19.05 | alpha1-2 | and as it is not allowed, at least until now, to move the canon apart from the tank, there are diff. then |
| 23:19.46 | JeffM | oh I would not make the cannon flollow the view |
| 23:19.56 | JeffM | that's adding turrets |
| 23:20.08 | JeffM | I have expirments in that :) |
| 23:20.41 | alpha1-2 | why not? |
| 23:21.03 | JeffM | not having turrets is a design choice |
| 23:21.11 | JeffM | it also complicates input |
| 23:21.15 | alpha1-2 | would be too complex for the level of gameplay? |
| 23:21.20 | JeffM | it means you need at least 3 axes instead of 2 |
| 23:21.22 | JeffM | yes |
| 23:21.52 | alpha1-2 | oh, you mean that it could go up and down too, I see |
| 23:22.18 | alpha1-2 | I just meant left/right, no up/down |
| 23:22.33 | JeffM | left/right is the worst one |
| 23:22.48 | JeffM | up/down is dooable if you force everyone to use mouse + wads |
| 23:23.32 | JeffM | it gets weird when the forward driving direction does not match up with the view direction |
| 23:23.41 | alpha1-2 | I am just thinking to use *only* virtual reality |
| 23:23.58 | alpha1-2 | then your had will move the weapon too, like the video |
| 23:24.00 | JeffM | so no more bzflag for people who don't have a head mounted display? |
| 23:24.01 | alpha1-2 | head* |
| 23:24.12 | JeffM | at that point it's a different game |
| 23:24.21 | JeffM | and there is no reason to keep using the bzflag code |
| 23:24.31 | JeffM | write it up in unity and be done in a few weeks |
| 23:24.33 | alpha1-2 | and the arrows/mouse will move the tank |
| 23:24.49 | JeffM | yeah I've tried that, it is very confusing |
| 23:24.56 | alpha1-2 | hehe |
| 23:25.02 | JeffM | go get a nerf gun, get in your car |
| 23:25.12 | JeffM | drive very precisly and try to hit other cars |
| 23:25.22 | JeffM | all driving around a parking lot |
| 23:25.31 | JeffM | oh and strap the gun to your head |
| 23:25.54 | alpha1-2 | I don't think it would be very confusing since there are games more complex than BZ that are doing it already (or demos) (video) |
| 23:25.56 | JeffM | a tank works because it has several people driving it |
| 23:26.12 | JeffM | look at how they do movement |
| 23:26.25 | alpha1-2 | with the head? |
| 23:26.30 | JeffM | no |
| 23:26.35 | JeffM | the avatar movment in the world |
| 23:26.45 | JeffM | most do snaping to the view when you move forward |
| 23:26.57 | JeffM | or you keep the gun detatched from the head |
| 23:27.04 | JeffM | team fortress has both modes |
| 23:27.20 | alpha1-2 | see at 0:07, th guy is using mouse plus keyboard. I guess mouse to move, or not? |
| 23:27.43 | JeffM | the question is, Is he turning with his head or with the key? |
| 23:28.05 | alpha1-2 | no, as I said, he moves with controls, but he look and aim with head |
| 23:28.15 | alpha1-2 | looks* aims* |
| 23:28.22 | alpha1-2 | if I am right |
| 23:28.54 | JeffM | I have demos that work both ways, the ones that make me use controlls to line by body up with my head are very confusing |
| 23:29.10 | alpha1-2 | aahh I am und. better |
| 23:29.11 | JeffM | the best ones assume that when I hit "forward" I want to move along he direction I am looking |
| 23:29.21 | alpha1-2 | yes, ys, I see |
| 23:29.28 | alpha1-2 | thanks |
| 23:29.44 | JeffM | but again, we could not combine that with regular play |
| 23:29.48 | JeffM | so it'd be a different game |
| 23:29.58 | alpha1-2 | I just remembered wen you used mouse to aim, you had to use keyboard to move, yes. But here is diff., okay |
| 23:30.14 | JeffM | that's mosue + wads |
| 23:30.24 | JeffM | and that works beccause you don't turn with the keyboard |
| 23:30.26 | JeffM | you sidestep |
| 23:30.36 | JeffM | so you have no redundant controlls |
| 23:30.52 | JeffM | a tank has 2 redundant rotations |
| 23:31.00 | JeffM | the turret and the tank can rotate indpednently |
| 23:31.07 | JeffM | and that is not controlled by the same person |
| 23:32.05 | alpha1-2 | okay, rthen we will have 2 things (body + head) different, I see |
| 23:32.59 | alpha1-2 | body= tank, head=turret |
| 23:33.32 | JeffM | then you can't see where you are driving ;) |
| 23:33.48 | alpha1-2 | what do think, then? would it fit or not? |
| 23:33.51 | alpha1-2 | you* |
| 23:34.11 | JeffM | for bzflag, it is not a fit at all |
| 23:34.28 | JeffM | the only turret motion I think that can work in a bzflag game is up/down |
| 23:34.44 | alpha1-2 | oh |
| 23:34.46 | JeffM | but that means that people will need to use gamepad or keyboard and mouse at the same time |
| 23:34.59 | JeffM | do you have access to a windows computer? |
| 23:35.18 | alpha1-2 | wait, are you talking of turrets or of virtual reality? |
| 23:35.38 | alpha1-2 | (about fitting) |
| 23:35.41 | JeffM | any discussion of motion in bzflag has to happen with or with out virtual reality |
| 23:35.48 | JeffM | so I am speaking in general |
| 23:36.04 | alpha1-2 | okay |
| 23:36.10 | JeffM | adding VR just means letting people look around and detaching the camera from th avatar |
| 23:37.01 | alpha1-2 | I can use wine, why? |
| 23:37.13 | JeffM | not in a browser |
| 23:37.43 | alpha1-2 | about an Unity soft you mean? |
| 23:37.59 | JeffM | yeah |
| 23:38.28 | JeffM | I have a demo that shows turret up/down but with bzflag style turning |
| 23:38.57 | alpha1-2 | and maing a video maybe? :) |
| 23:38.59 | alpha1-2 | maing* |
| 23:39.05 | alpha1-2 | making* |
| 23:39.18 | JeffM | I can build a linux native version of i |
| 23:39.19 | JeffM | it |
| 23:39.33 | alpha1-2 | remember that your previous version didn't work for me |
| 23:39.52 | khonkhortisan | pipelight-plugin allows using the unity web player on linux |
| 23:40.00 | JeffM | nice |
| 23:40.18 | JeffM | alpha1-2, what video card/driver do you have? |
| 23:40.21 | khonkhortisan | but you do have to spoof the user agent to say windows with a separate addon |
| 23:40.39 | JeffM | it'll be nice once unity5 is done and they have the webGL export |
| 23:41.02 | alpha1-2 | BRB |
| 23:47.06 | alpha1-2 | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0046] (rev 18) |
| 23:47.20 | alpha1-2 | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ironlake Mobile GEM 20100330 DEVELOPMENT |
| 23:47.41 | JeffM | oh yeah, intel on board |
| 23:47.42 | alpha1-2 | Manufacturer: Tungsten Graphics, Inc |
| 23:47.43 | alpha1-2 | OpenGL version: 2.1 Mesa 7.10 |
| 23:47.44 | JeffM | how old is it? |
| 23:47.44 | alpha1-2 | Kernel module: i915 |
| 23:47.49 | JeffM | oh my |
| 23:47.55 | JeffM | yeah you are not going to have any luck |
| 23:48.23 | JeffM | my mods to bzflag for rift would make it so we could not run on your computer |
| 23:48.30 | JeffM | you support GL2 |
| 23:48.33 | JeffM | not 3 |
| 23:49.05 | alpha1-2 | like most of us? :) |
| 23:49.19 | JeffM | actualy most modern cards support GL3 |
| 23:49.32 | JeffM | the intel HD graphics support 4 |
| 23:49.43 | alpha1-2 | yes, but GL 3 is something new I guess |
| 23:49.49 | JeffM | no |
| 23:49.51 | JeffM | god no |
| 23:50.01 | JeffM | I think they are on 4.5 or something |
| 23:50.08 | blast007 | my mom's computer has OpenGL 4 ;) |
| 23:50.13 | alpha1-2 | BZ what is supporting? |
| 23:50.18 | JeffM | 1.2 |
| 23:50.21 | alpha1-2 | aha! |
| 23:50.24 | alpha1-2 | msee ;) |
| 23:50.24 | JeffM | because we are super old |
| 23:50.26 | alpha1-2 | see* |
| 23:50.38 | alpha1-2 | I like old things too :) |
| 23:50.39 | JeffM | but I mean a GeForce 8000 series from 5 years ago supports GL3 |
| 23:50.53 | JeffM | what CPU do you have? |
| 23:50.54 | alpha1-2 | (not too "old" for me though) |
| 23:50.55 | blast007 | he's got a first gen i3/i5 |
| 23:50.57 | JeffM | a celleron 300? |
| 23:51.08 | JeffM | yeah that's pre HD graphics then |
| 23:51.22 | JeffM | IIRC |
| 23:51.23 | blast007 | well, it is "Intel HD", just before they added numbers |
| 23:51.29 | blast007 | http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/CS-033757.htm |
| 23:51.31 | JeffM | oh then he may be ok |
| 23:51.37 | blast007 | OpenGL 2.1 |
| 23:51.41 | JeffM | then nope |
| 23:51.51 | blast007 | second gen or up would be fine |
| 23:51.57 | JeffM | yeah |
| 23:52.06 | JeffM | slap a cheap nvidia card in there |
| 23:52.17 | blast007 | might be a laptop |
| 23:52.23 | alpha1-2 | "Low system requirements" http://bzflag.org/ ;) |
| 23:52.25 | JeffM | slap a cheap laptop in there |
| 23:52.29 | blast007 | hehe |
| 23:52.35 | JeffM | yeah low is still 5 years old :) |
| 23:52.59 | JeffM | we could have real shadows :) |
| 23:53.49 | alpha1-2 | yes, a notebook, and I am pretty happy with it, running for the first time Free 3D drivers on linux |
| 23:53.50 | JeffM | but yes, this will probably not run well for you |
| 23:53.50 | JeffM | http://www.invertedpolarity.com/code/Blam_Linux.7z |
| 23:54.25 | JeffM | runs fine on my cheap laptop |
| 23:55.05 | alpha1-2 | (I have tested an NVidia card in linux rather time ago though with propietary drivers and worked fine) |
| 23:56.19 | alpha1-2 | what GL does your cheap notebook support? |
| 23:57.45 | JeffM | 4.4 |
| 23:58.07 | alpha1-2 | (and this NB is from just 2 or 3 years ago) |
| 23:58.29 | alpha1-2 | oh it must be new then |
| 23:58.31 | blast007 | alpha1-2: right, but a 2 or 3 year old laptop with very basic graphics |
| 23:58.45 | JeffM | when you bought it doesn't mean it it had top of the line graphics then |
| 23:58.56 | JeffM | this just has a dedicated nvida 700 series CPU in it |
| 23:59.00 | alpha1-2 | apart, we are talking of hardware or software finally? |
| 23:59.02 | JeffM | not even the current generation |
| 23:59.46 | alpha1-2 | blast007: yes, it has onboard graphics, I know and I like them too |