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| 19:07.55 | Patlabor221 | aww man... I can no longer enter Google Summer of Code :( |
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| 22:37.37 | therealtbe | spldart were you steering with accelerometer ? |
| 22:38.56 | spldart | *giggle* some dweeb named "butt bandit" (in espanol) is accusing me of sabotaging a game 9~D |
| 22:39.10 | therealtbe | your score was terrible lol |
| 22:39.27 | therealtbe | how do u jump with tablet do you shake it |
| 22:39.53 | spldart | cuz I never play any more. Still got points from the game for killing flag carrier and ending some killing sprees |
| 22:40.12 | therealtbe | spawn & spray |
| 22:40.27 | spldart | Yes... I'm flaying my phone all over the place like a wild man. |
| 22:40.36 | spldart | X~D |
| 22:40.56 | therealtbe | hah u probably look as funny IRL as in game |
| 22:41.23 | spldart | Actually I'm quite handsome.. Or so the hot girls tell me |
| 22:41.39 | spldart | 9~D |
| 22:41.50 | therealtbe | so is matthew mccounaghey but those lincoln commercials are hilarious |
| 22:42.03 | spldart | lmao |
| 22:43.21 | zlsa | spldart, you play with a tablet? |
| 22:43.24 | spldart | time for sci-fi... nighty night. |
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| 22:44.20 | therealtbe | zlsa, he tries... lol |
| 22:44.26 | zlsa | what tablet/OS? |
| 22:44.40 | therealtbe | nexus5 |
| 22:45.03 | zlsa | did somebody rewrite bzflag for android or does he do something else? |
| 22:45.17 | therealtbe | bzflag is everywhere |
| 22:45.22 | therealtbe | it's like, open source |
| 22:45.42 | zlsa | somebody actually rewrote it for android, though? |
| 22:46.20 | therealtbe | I dunno. you can probably run ubuntu on it |
| 22:48.02 | Patlabor221 | there are many tablets that run windows |
| 22:50.51 | zlsa | the nexus 5 isn't one of them |
| 22:51.37 | therealtbe | ubuntu runs windows better than windows does |
| 22:51.44 | Patlabor221 | not really |
| 22:51.47 | therealtbe | yep, really |
| 22:51.57 | therealtbe | I remember my IT guy going wow, this is fast |
| 22:51.59 | Patlabor221 | then you ain't running windows very well :) |
| 22:52.07 | therealtbe | was win7 running inside ubuntu virtualbox |
| 22:52.17 | Patlabor221 | then you didn't have it setup right |
| 22:52.22 | therealtbe | yeah yeah |
| 22:52.28 | therealtbe | you know it's a hog |
| 22:52.36 | Patlabor221 | actualy I know it isn't |
| 22:52.41 | therealtbe | lol |
| 22:52.47 | Patlabor221 | does know of what he speaks |
| 22:53.52 | Patlabor221 | I've seen what you describe happen, when the linux host has a proper video driver, but the windows host does not |
| 22:54.06 | Patlabor221 | it isn't exactly a fair comparison |
| 22:54.16 | therealtbe | awww poor windows |
| 22:54.24 | therealtbe | doesn't have the pwoper dwiver |
| 22:54.26 | Patlabor221 | just means someone didn't choose to install it |
| 22:54.31 | Patlabor221 | exactly like linux |
| 22:54.47 | Patlabor221 | the default nvidia drivers on linux are horrible for performance |
| 22:55.12 | Patlabor221 | ubuntu is nice that helps you update |
| 22:55.24 | Patlabor221 | but you have to choose to do that, same as on windows |
| 22:55.40 | Patlabor221 | and for bzflag, linux is totaly the minority OS |
| 22:55.46 | Patlabor221 | even apple beats it |
| 22:55.52 | therealtbe | so? |
| 22:56.04 | therealtbe | majority of people eat at mcdonalds too, doesn't make it good |
| 22:56.05 | Patlabor221 | poor linux, can't even get the right version of bzflag :( |
| 22:56.14 | therealtbe | what version is the right v |
| 22:56.15 | zlsa | 2.4.3 compiled from git here < |
| 22:56.19 | Patlabor221 | can't update software with out a commitiy |
| 22:56.40 | Patlabor221 | some distros still ship 2.0.x |
| 22:56.56 | Patlabor221 | we can't push new versions with out it being a "Security update" |
| 22:57.14 | therealtbe | I have 2.4.2 and I am still on ubuntu 9.10 |
| 22:57.22 | Patlabor221 | backports? |
| 22:57.37 | Patlabor221 | or that extra repo thing? |
| 22:57.43 | therealtbe | src ? |
| 22:57.51 | Patlabor221 | then why arn't you using .3? |
| 22:57.56 | therealtbe | should I be ? |
| 22:58.04 | Patlabor221 | only if you like bug fixes |
| 22:58.16 | therealtbe | everytime I compile I have to remember the AresHandler fiasco |
| 22:58.34 | Patlabor221 | all I do is hit F5 and it spits out a build |
| 22:58.43 | Patlabor221 | but yes Ares is a horrible idea |
| 22:59.29 | Patlabor221 | someone should do a distcheck on the branch to see if we can do a 2.4.4 |
| 22:59.47 | therealtbe | but you never play |
| 23:00.04 | Patlabor221 | doesn't mean I can't support those that do |
| 23:00.13 | therealtbe | how come u never play |
| 23:00.16 | Patlabor221 | belives in something bigger then himself |
| 23:00.19 | Patlabor221 | the game is stupid |
| 23:00.29 | therealtbe | them's fightin words. |
| 23:00.36 | Patlabor221 | and I refuse to manualy compensate for lag |
| 23:00.55 | therealtbe | by buying better internet service ? |
| 23:01.17 | Patlabor221 | no by fixing the game |
| 23:01.31 | Patlabor221 | you can't get rid of lag, but modern games can compensate for it |
| 23:01.44 | Patlabor221 | it should not be up to the player, it should be up to the system |
| 23:02.52 | Patlabor221 | it's a well solved problem, we just need some implementaiton of it |
| 23:03.29 | therealtbe | you mean just expand the shot window based on lag? |
| 23:03.38 | therealtbe | then I won't have an advantage anymore with my 41ms |
| 23:03.42 | Patlabor221 | no way more then that |
| 23:03.49 | Patlabor221 | maintain a proper state |
| 23:03.58 | Patlabor221 | and yes, make it so low lag is not an advantage |
| 23:04.13 | Patlabor221 | make it so you don't have to lead a shot by speed and guessing the other player's lag |
| 23:04.33 | Patlabor221 | the client should not be doing all it's doing alone |
| 23:04.50 | Patlabor221 | lag and cheaters are problems with the same solution |
| 23:05.41 | therealtbe | but u has to do that in real world; leading the target |
| 23:05.53 | Patlabor221 | yeah on speed |
| 23:05.56 | Patlabor221 | not speed and lag |
| 23:06.05 | Patlabor221 | the simulation would still need speed leading |
| 23:06.08 | therealtbe | think of it like a cross wind. |
| 23:06.08 | Patlabor221 | that's acceptable |
| 23:06.16 | Patlabor221 | that's different for every player? |
| 23:06.19 | therealtbe | a good gunner must account for all kinds of variables. |
| 23:06.34 | therealtbe | I think you just aren't any good and you would rather come up with excuses |
| 23:06.37 | Patlabor221 | and bzflag is not a realistic tanks simulation :) |
| 23:06.41 | therealtbe | come play |
| 23:06.42 | Patlabor221 | I am not good |
| 23:06.44 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 23:06.47 | therealtbe | quit hitting F5 |
| 23:06.50 | therealtbe | shoot somebody |
| 23:06.54 | therealtbe | it will feel good |
| 23:06.56 | therealtbe | I promise |
| 23:07.10 | Patlabor221 | 1) you lie, 2) I am at work, 3) I do not want to |
| 23:07.41 | therealtbe | 1) I speak the truth, 2) who cares you are wasting time on chat anyways, 3) braawwwwwwwkkkkkk |
| 23:07.48 | therealtbe | bwakkkk bwokkk bwockkkkkkkk |
| 23:07.50 | Patlabor221 | I am working and typing |
| 23:07.57 | Patlabor221 | I can multi-task |
| 23:08.07 | Patlabor221 | return GetOpWFOIndex(iWhichOp) + 1; |
| 23:08.11 | Patlabor221 | see |
| 23:08.20 | therealtbe | I am going to tell your boss that not only are you not working, but you are yella |
| 23:08.35 | Patlabor221 | she won't care |
| 23:08.45 | therealtbe | she will make you be on rogue team |
| 23:08.50 | therealtbe | then she and I will both shoot you |
| 23:08.52 | Patlabor221 | probalby not |
| 23:09.27 | blast007 | rogue isn't really a team, although our code and UI leads you to believe it is :P |
| 23:10.23 | therealtbe | like black isn't really a color ? |
| 23:10.35 | Patlabor221 | like it has no team class |
| 23:10.44 | therealtbe | it is the lack of team |
| 23:11.01 | Patlabor221 | only in team games, in OpenFFA it's just a color code |
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| 23:17.00 | Patlabor221 | well I guess if therealtbe wants a more realistic simulation I'll just implement my radar system too |
| 23:17.10 | blast007 | :) |
| 23:17.18 | Patlabor221 | everyone will LOVE that |
| 23:17.22 | therealtbe | whats that |
| 23:17.27 | Patlabor221 | actual radar |
| 23:17.30 | therealtbe | can I have the radar full screen on 2nd monitor ?? |
| 23:17.32 | Patlabor221 | not god view |
| 23:17.37 | Patlabor221 | maybe |
| 23:17.40 | Patlabor221 | but it'll be radar |
| 23:17.44 | Patlabor221 | blocked by buildings |
| 23:17.55 | Patlabor221 | inacurate at distnaces |
| 23:18.01 | Patlabor221 | delay in updates |
| 23:18.28 | therealtbe | can you implement the rail gun from Eraser |
| 23:18.35 | therealtbe | that is 1996 technology how much longer do I have to wait |
| 23:18.37 | Patlabor221 | no that movie was bad |
| 23:18.48 | Patlabor221 | any flag based off a movie is automaticly rejected |
| 23:19.19 | therealtbe | how about having two flags at once :) |
| 23:19.21 | blast007 | You've been erased... |
| 23:19.42 | Patlabor221 | active at the same time probably not, swapable probably |
| 23:19.58 | therealtbe | wings + shockwave |
| 23:20.00 | Patlabor221 | I have sample code for that |
| 23:20.11 | Patlabor221 | multiple active combos are not fun |
| 23:20.13 | blast007 | microtransactions required to get geno flags |
| 23:20.24 | Patlabor221 | I'll be removing Geno shortly |
| 23:20.30 | therealtbe | can you remove F12 ? |
| 23:20.31 | Patlabor221 | and adding it back in as a plugin |
| 23:20.40 | Patlabor221 | I can fix the simulation so it won't matter |
| 23:20.45 | therealtbe | I hate F12ers |
| 23:21.00 | Patlabor221 | server side state fixes a lot of things |
| 23:21.21 | Patlabor221 | your game stops being depdent on the other person's frame rate |
| 23:21.27 | blast007 | F12ers are less of a problem when you don't have some shot limited over-powered flag... |
| 23:23.03 | therealtbe | if you F12 you should not be able toe rejoin for 30 minutes |
| 23:23.29 | blast007 | F12 is no different than leaving a server.. |
| 23:23.37 | therealtbe | it COULD be |
| 23:24.01 | therealtbe | it could send a special message to the server indicating that person is a jerk |
| 23:24.07 | blast007 | why do people F12 to avoid getting shot? |
| 23:24.19 | therealtbe | because you provided that feature. |
| 23:24.27 | blast007 | no |
| 23:24.32 | therealtbe | because tehre is insufficient punishment |
| 23:24.54 | blast007 | what are you about to shoot them with? |
| 23:24.57 | Patlabor221 | just hook up exit to the kill cam, exit and you have to wait till you are shot |
| 23:25.29 | therealtbe | yessss if you exit it ejects you from the tank and you still get killed and have to watch yourself bahhaah |
| 23:25.54 | Patlabor221 | go play CoDBlops |
| 23:26.16 | therealtbe | ok does that work in ubuntu 9.10 |
| 23:26.16 | Patlabor221 | or World of Tanks |
| 23:26.27 | Patlabor221 | in your windows VM that runs better then native |
| 23:26.30 | Patlabor221 | you should be fine! |
| 23:26.35 | therealtbe | that was at work |
| 23:26.39 | therealtbe | I would never let windows into my home |
| 23:26.46 | Patlabor221 | how do you see outside? |
| 23:26.55 | therealtbe | periscope |
| 23:27.38 | Patlabor221 | too bad you already let MicroSoft into your kernel |
| 23:28.33 | Patlabor221 | but yeah blast007 is correct, most people quit to avoid the badly designed flags |
| 23:29.05 | Patlabor221 | that just tells me that score means nothing to people |
| 23:29.15 | therealtbe | score is life. |
| 23:30.30 | Patlabor221 | carbon is life |
| 23:32.50 | zlsa | I F12 because it's faster than escape > up arrow > enter > enter |
| 23:33.56 | blast007 | therealtbe: I bet you also want to make people unable to spawn for 30 minutes when they shoot themselves or self destruct to avoid your geno, right? |
| 23:34.04 | Patlabor221 | AltF4 also kills the app |
| 23:34.15 | zlsa | Patlabor221, windows user detected! |
| 23:34.16 | Patlabor221 | geno removal, problem solved |
| 23:34.20 | therealtbe | actually I want geno to kill everyone... |
| 23:34.23 | therealtbe | nobody wins with geno. |
| 23:34.25 | zlsa | it's windows + shift + c for me |
| 23:34.42 | Patlabor221 | zlsa, there are equivalent keystrokes on the minority OSs yes |
| 23:34.55 | zlsa | it's GNU/Linux |
| 23:34.58 | zlsa | I could go on |
| 23:35.01 | zlsa | :P |
| 23:35.11 | blast007 | zlsa: Alt+F4 works on my linux system here too../. |
| 23:35.17 | therealtbe | ctrl+alt+f2;username;enter;password;enter;kill -9 `pidof bzflag`;enter |
| 23:35.31 | zlsa | Alt+F4 is the sort of canonical "close" keybinding |
| 23:36.11 | zlsa | but I use the windows key for all window-manager related keybindings to avoid accidentally doing window-manager-related things in a program |
| 23:36.30 | Patlabor221 | whatever floats your boat |
| 23:36.48 | blast007 | maybe Gnome will remove the ability to close windows like they did with the ability to minimize then ;) |
| 23:37.11 | zlsa | blast007, well the close button _does_ confuse users and duplicate functionality (AppMenu > Quit) |
| 23:37.29 | therealtbe | and I thought our previous conversation was nonsensical. |
| 23:37.38 | zlsa | so is Gnome. |
| 23:37.40 | blast007 | that just means the users are getting too stupid |
| 23:47.08 | Foo_man_choo | o_O |
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