| 00:14.16 | Patlabor221 | wtf.... Car Mechanic Simulator 2014 ?!?! |
| 00:14.50 | blast007 | I'm waiting for Simulator Simulator 2015 |
| 00:15.10 | Patlabor221 | you control a dude browsing steam |
| 00:15.15 | blast007 | "It's almost like you're playing a simulator!" |
| 00:15.18 | Patlabor221 | Steam Sale Simulator |
| 00:15.34 | blast007 | free to play (in-app purchases) |
| 00:15.48 | khonkhortisan | there's a surgery simulator - if it was free I'd already have it |
| 00:15.50 | Patlabor221 | challenge mode is "you are at your parrents house and have a 3 meg DSL on crappy WIFI" |
| 00:16.00 | Patlabor221 | oh I own it, it's super hard |
| 00:16.32 | Patlabor221 | it was made in Unity :) |
| 00:18.06 | Patlabor221 | Open Source Project Manager Simulator ;) |
| 00:18.25 | Patlabor221 | New OSX version, nothign works |
| 00:19.25 | blast007 | "Buy many hats, and wear them all at the same time!" |
| 00:20.19 | khonkhortisan | I have a hat stacker game on steam |
| 00:24.54 | Patlabor221 | They need to make "episode 7 fanboy rage simulator" |
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| 00:48.39 | kierra | Hi hrj |
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| 00:50.20 | hrj | hey |
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| 04:37.33 | allejo | yawns |
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| 14:37.44 | alcatraz | hello |
| 14:40.06 | brad | hi |
| 15:07.39 | kierra | Hi alca |
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| 17:51.43 | alcatraz | global is down and the hacker is on viper |
| 17:53.19 | Patlabor221 | I would tell the server owner |
| 17:53.58 | Patlabor221 | and I can get to the list server |
| 17:54.02 | Patlabor221 | it's just a little slow |
| 17:56.39 | alcatraz | these attacks have got to be stopped/blocked somehow |
| 17:56.53 | Patlabor221 | it's the nature of the internet |
| 17:57.05 | Patlabor221 | when you open yourself up to packets, you get all of them |
| 17:57.16 | Patlabor221 | we can turn off the list server and shut down all the game servers if you want |
| 17:58.31 | Patlabor221 | I've been doing what I can to fix the exploits used with the in game protocol |
| 17:58.36 | Patlabor221 | now it's just pure denial |
| 17:58.49 | Patlabor221 | that's an issue of pipe size |
| 18:05.47 | alcatraz | cant we make a complaint at the police? |
| 18:06.34 | alcatraz | I'm pretty sure that he can change the IP he's using or use another proxy to launch DDOS attacks, but maybe the police can stop him |
| 18:09.33 | Patlabor221 | in what country? |
| 18:09.38 | Patlabor221 | the dominican republic? |
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| 18:12.18 | Patlabor221 | some people are working on that line, but it requires a lot of documentation and has an exteemly low probability of having any effect in what you would consider a reaslable timeframe |
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| 18:14.39 | alcatraz | dont know which country |
| 18:14.58 | alcatraz | i'd say where blast's bunker is located :P |
| 18:15.08 | blast007 | the moon! |
| 18:15.21 | Patlabor221 | the moon is a lawless wasteland filld with zombies |
| 18:15.27 | Patlabor221 | but yes he is not in the US |
| 18:16.07 | Patlabor221 | it's not like we can go to the local PD and say "Help, someone is hacking our silly tank game on the internet!" |
| 18:16.54 | alcatraz | someone is attacking the server located under blast's desk |
| 18:17.16 | Patlabor221 | define "attacking" in a legal sense |
| 18:17.35 | alcatraz | i think we should call Agent Mulder |
| 18:17.47 | Patlabor221 | you are welcome to get right on that |
| 18:17.56 | alcatraz | preventing the service |
| 18:18.15 | alcatraz | if he would do this to amazon, would the police ask them do define attack? |
| 18:18.34 | Patlabor221 | Amazon has the resources to make his attacks ineffective |
| 18:18.36 | Patlabor221 | we do not |
| 18:18.57 | Patlabor221 | give me a full data center of computers and you won't even know he's "attacking" |
| 18:18.58 | alcatraz | after i finish my letter to santa, I'll write to agent mulder |
| 18:19.11 | alcatraz | well, that sucks |
| 18:19.28 | Patlabor221 | again nature of hosting on the internet, it's one of the risks |
| 18:19.39 | alcatraz | i cant give you my data center, im running bzflag on it |
| 18:20.03 | Patlabor221 | so that explains why we have 5 servers for players |
| 18:20.34 | blast007 | per player* |
| 18:20.46 | Patlabor221 | yeah sorry per player :) |
| 18:22.47 | alcatraz | bzflag was already slowly dying |
| 18:23.08 | Patlabor221 | not dying, died |
| 18:23.16 | alcatraz | this will make the other 2 players left to go away |
| 18:23.41 | Patlabor221 | I'll make my own bzflag, with blackjack and strippers! |
| 18:24.16 | alcatraz | thx bender |
| 18:24.29 | alcatraz | wait, youre serios? :P |
| 18:24.30 | Patlabor221 | no, realy, I started it |
| 18:24.44 | Patlabor221 | I'll be getting tanks to spawn this weekend |
| 18:25.04 | alcatraz | if it rains |
| 18:25.28 | Patlabor221 | no, when the user clicks a button |
| 18:26.18 | thrakt | <Patlabor221> give me a full data center of computers and you won't even know he's "attacking" |
| 18:26.36 | thrakt | Or test out a free subscription to cloudflare for bzflag.org |
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| 18:26.53 | Patlabor221 | it's not a CDN problem |
| 18:26.55 | zuii | what the hack? |
| 18:27.04 | zuii | sry.. |
| 18:27.24 | Patlabor221 | do they offer dynamic hosting of databases? |
| 18:27.31 | Patlabor221 | or just CDN access to static content? |
| 18:27.39 | blast007 | cloudflare is basically a content proxy |
| 18:27.54 | Patlabor221 | yeah that doesn't sound like something that would help the list server |
| 18:28.13 | blast007 | well, it could, since they're be attacking cloudflare instead of the list directly |
| 18:28.26 | Patlabor221 | but can they hold the list DB? |
| 18:28.43 | Patlabor221 | or would they just proxy each request to our origin server? |
| 18:28.46 | blast007 | your domain would point to cloudflare, and cloudflare would know the actual IP of your server and forward requests |
| 18:28.55 | Patlabor221 | so it'd just be a bufer |
| 18:28.57 | thrakt | YEs ==^ |
| 18:29.04 | Patlabor221 | so the BS requests wold not hit us |
| 18:29.06 | Patlabor221 | it's a possiblity |
| 18:29.14 | Patlabor221 | it would not speed up legit requests |
| 18:29.18 | thrakt | No |
| 18:29.32 | brad | it would speed up all static content ^ |
| 18:29.46 | Patlabor221 | oo wow, those 5 pictures?!?!?! |
| 18:29.50 | Patlabor221 | how awesome |
| 18:29.54 | brad | now now |
| 18:29.55 | blast007 | it would also send all passwords through their servers :P |
| 18:30.06 | Patlabor221 | oh yeah, NOPE |
| 18:30.27 | Patlabor221 | that's against our privacy pollicy |
| 18:30.31 | alcatraz | the passwords stored in the .cfg file? |
| 18:30.39 | alcatraz | no encryption |
| 18:30.42 | blast007 | alcatraz: forum login, wiki login, auth, etc |
| 18:30.42 | Patlabor221 | alcatraz, no YOUR password when you hit the list server |
| 18:30.54 | Patlabor221 | we have stated that we won't send your password to ANYONE else |
| 18:31.00 | Patlabor221 | and we stand by that |
| 18:31.10 | alcatraz | ah, yes, the password db |
| 18:31.12 | thrakt | Rather by the gravestone of *that* |
| 18:31.20 | alcatraz | i see |
| 18:31.47 | Patlabor221 | alcatraz, not the DB, the DB would be on OUR side, but your request to the list server contains your password, they could see it and save it before they forwared it to us |
| 18:32.04 | thrakt | I think too much fuss is made over the password issue |
| 18:32.29 | Patlabor221 | it's an important thing, because once we slack on that, then I'm making money by selling your email addresses ;) |
| 18:32.50 | thrakt | I agree it's important |
| 18:32.56 | Patlabor221 | we are allready weak on how we handle it |
| 18:33.01 | zuii | we cant ban on server by ip or something there is moron "Real Pirate" on mofo apo? |
| 18:33.02 | Patlabor221 | I'd not want to make it weaker |
| 18:33.05 | thrakt | But when bzflag is facing it's demise head on... |
| 18:33.09 | alcatraz | what kin d of money do you get for 5 emails? :P |
| 18:33.18 | Patlabor221 | zuii what IP? he is using proxy servers? |
| 18:33.29 | blast007 | zuii: got an easy solution to that - turn off the game server ;) |
| 18:33.35 | Patlabor221 | alcatraz, for a user DB we have a lot of people IIRC over 20k |
| 18:34.07 | blast007 | half of them are probably unactivated or spammer accounts though |
| 18:34.16 | alcatraz | ya |
| 18:34.16 | thrakt | ANd even less actually log in and play |
| 18:34.45 | zuii | remove everyone, |
| 18:34.51 | zuii | we will reg |
| 18:35.19 | blast007 | that's for services 2.0 |
| 18:35.21 | Patlabor221 | zuii, naw we'll just shut the game down and start over |
| 18:35.46 | Patlabor221 | I mean really he's knocking twos and threes of people offline :) |
| 18:36.44 | Patlabor221 | it's really quite sad, that much effor for a dosen people or so |
| 18:37.25 | thrakt | So the current strategy is to wait this out? |
| 18:37.28 | zuii | sad ya |
| 18:37.43 | Patlabor221 | thrakt, server owners are doing what they can |
| 18:37.46 | Patlabor221 | that is all we can do |
| 18:37.52 | Patlabor221 | so there is no "strategy" |
| 18:39.52 | thrakt | Who do you mean by "server owners" ? |
| 18:40.17 | Patlabor221 | the people who are being attacked |
| 18:40.29 | Patlabor221 | blast is doing what he can on services |
| 18:40.35 | Patlabor221 | game server are doing what they can |
| 18:40.48 | Patlabor221 | I'm doing what I can to fix in game protcoll issues when they show up |
| 18:41.10 | Patlabor221 | but no amount of game code can stop packets from hitting a card at layer 2 and 3 |
| 18:43.33 | zuii | bzflag client auth is under https? or http? |
| 18:43.58 | blast007 | http |
| 18:44.03 | zuii | as far as i remember list server gives the token |
| 18:44.04 | zuii | ow. |
| 18:44.23 | thrakt | Patlabor221: those seem like adequate justification for a change in policy RE: passwords |
| 18:44.34 | thrakt | Perhaps allow an "opt in" option for accounts |
| 18:44.36 | Patlabor221 | thrakt, I disagree |
| 18:44.38 | blast007 | thrakt: no |
| 18:44.59 | blast007 | I will not be proxying data through a third party. |
| 18:45.01 | Patlabor221 | I'd rather replace the auth system with something more robust if we are going to make a change |
| 18:45.13 | blast007 | s/data/sensitive data/ |
| 18:45.15 | Patlabor221 | yeah and I agree with blast, so that's kinda the end of that |
| 18:45.28 | Patlabor221 | I'd build a culster first |
| 18:45.57 | zuii | can we make specifics? like write into a text file and someone will implement it |
| 18:46.11 | Patlabor221 | huh? |
| 18:46.34 | blast007 | design doc |
| 18:46.40 | zuii | like changing protocol, we agree in something and yes a desing doc |
| 18:46.47 | Patlabor221 | oh ahh |
| 18:46.48 | zuii | im thinking |
| 18:46.51 | blast007 | and no, sone"one" should not implement it. needs to be a team effort. |
| 18:46.55 | Patlabor221 | yeah there are many design docs on the wiki |
| 18:47.07 | Patlabor221 | but first you need requirements |
| 18:47.11 | Patlabor221 | do that research first |
| 18:47.21 | zuii | requierments? |
| 18:48.06 | Patlabor221 | yes, what does an auth system need to do? |
| 18:48.22 | blast007 | and it's less about changing what we have and more about re-envisioning what it should have been |
| 18:48.23 | zuii | ...authenticate? |
| 18:48.30 | Patlabor221 | that is part of it |
| 18:48.34 | Patlabor221 | but what else does it have to do? |
| 18:48.47 | Patlabor221 | how do new users get added |
| 18:48.51 | Patlabor221 | how do passwords get changed |
| 18:48.52 | Patlabor221 | etc... |
| 18:48.58 | Patlabor221 | how are users grouped |
| 18:48.59 | blast007 | It has to not go down when someone farts at it ;) |
| 18:49.47 | Patlabor221 | those are all requirements |
| 18:49.51 | zuii | well i meant it should be teamwork... |
| 18:49.55 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 18:50.09 | Patlabor221 | write up the requireemnts, get them reviewed, so everyone can have input |
| 18:50.18 | Patlabor221 | then we'll all know what to expect from any new system |
| 18:50.32 | blast007 | yeah, just put them on the BZFlag wiki.. oh wait.. |
| 18:50.39 | zuii | lol |
| 18:51.34 | zuii | no i dont have good solution in my, you sound like you had |
| 18:51.53 | Patlabor221 | I have ideas |
| 18:52.04 | zuii | only thing i found in wiki was old stuff |
| 18:52.05 | Patlabor221 | none of them are realized into a new solution just yet |
| 18:52.17 | Patlabor221 | yeah we are not currently working on a new auth system |
| 18:52.32 | Patlabor221 | I just said I'd RATHER repace the auth system BEFORE I use a proxy |
| 18:52.42 | zuii | "ideas" yes.. you want to use https? or something else.. |
| 18:52.47 | zuii | o.k. |
| 18:52.57 | Patlabor221 | oh yeah at the VERY least I'd use HTTPS |
| 18:53.02 | Patlabor221 | that's a given |
| 18:53.10 | blast007 | https would be what I would use for the current system for auth, but that's only if we keep using HTTP for auth |
| 18:53.14 | zuii | :D i dont want to upset you.. |
| 18:53.15 | Patlabor221 | that doesn't solve ANY of the proxy or robustness issues |
| 18:53.31 | Patlabor221 | I am not upset |
| 18:53.50 | blast007 | (so again, less with how to change the current system, more about how it should have been designed in the first place, knowing what we know now) |
| 18:53.51 | Patlabor221 | yeah if we keep using http requests I would want them to be HTTPS |
| 18:54.01 | Patlabor221 | but that still does not allow a proxy |
| 18:54.06 | Patlabor221 | since the proxy will have to give out the cert |
| 18:54.12 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:56.03 | zuii | i heard some north korean hack sony? |
| 18:56.18 | zuii | now they want bzflag |
| 18:57.29 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 18:57.51 | Patlabor221 | the level of fear and reaction you all exibit is the exact responce he wants |
| 18:58.16 | kierra | i think he's joking, Patlabor221 |
| 18:59.02 | zuii | yep |
| 18:59.59 | kierra | what i hear from you, Patlabor221, sounds like "give up without a fight". Am I misreading you? |
| 19:00.48 | Patlabor221 | kierra, what I hear from you is the assumption that we can fight |
| 19:01.08 | brad | we can |
| 19:01.50 | Patlabor221 | no, YOU can |
| 19:01.53 | Patlabor221 | the proejct can not |
| 19:01.58 | Patlabor221 | individual server owners can |
| 19:02.05 | brad | why can't the project? |
| 19:02.06 | Patlabor221 | and I said they were doing what they can |
| 19:02.16 | Patlabor221 | because the project isn't a THING |
| 19:02.22 | brad | what? lol |
| 19:02.22 | Patlabor221 | blast is doing what he can |
| 19:02.30 | Patlabor221 | what is "the project"? |
| 19:02.48 | Patlabor221 | the project is some source code and some people that edit it |
| 19:02.55 | Patlabor221 | no source code chagnes are going to stop him |
| 19:03.16 | Patlabor221 | stoping him happens at the level of the owners who are ether running game servers, or donating services |
| 19:03.22 | Patlabor221 | the people that ARE doing something |
| 19:03.30 | Patlabor221 | he is not attacking the source code |
| 19:03.31 | zuii | so blast managing bzflag.org? |
| 19:03.36 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 19:03.40 | Patlabor221 | and blast is doing what he can |
| 19:03.49 | Patlabor221 | but bzflg.org is onwed PRIVATELY by blast |
| 19:04.01 | Patlabor221 | it is not owned by "the project" |
| 19:04.10 | zuii | ok. |
| 19:04.14 | Patlabor221 | blast is just very nice to provide the service that we need |
| 19:04.53 | Patlabor221 | "the project" has been making code change to respond to reported issues with in game exploits |
| 19:05.01 | kierra | Admittedly i am technoignorant....but if we gather "intel" on what he's done, logs from servers, logs from IRC chat of him boasting....a case file so to speak, I'm willing to contact his isp in spanish |
| 19:05.02 | Patlabor221 | right now he is NOT using any form of in game exploit |
| 19:05.15 | kierra | but i need the proper wording from someone who knows what to say |
| 19:05.18 | Patlabor221 | kierra, you may be willing but you have no legal right |
| 19:05.24 | Patlabor221 | YOU were not attacked |
| 19:05.28 | Patlabor221 | nor was any server you own |
| 19:05.30 | kierra | excuse me |
| 19:05.39 | Patlabor221 | you may have been defamed |
| 19:05.47 | Patlabor221 | you can sue him for libel |
| 19:05.47 | kierra | I host bzflag servers |
| 19:05.56 | Patlabor221 | you own the server? |
| 19:06.04 | Patlabor221 | or at least rent it? |
| 19:06.18 | kierra | i pay for allejo.io |
| 19:06.19 | allejo | bzflag.allejo.io is hers, i just run it for her |
| 19:06.33 | Patlabor221 | ok, then you can collect info about what he did on YOUR server |
| 19:06.35 | Patlabor221 | and report that |
| 19:06.42 | Patlabor221 | but tha'ts IT |
| 19:06.57 | Patlabor221 | you do not own the list server |
| 19:06.59 | Patlabor221 | blast does |
| 19:07.17 | kierra | a case file then |
| 19:07.26 | Patlabor221 | thats the thing that I don't think people get, there is no legal organisation, there is individuals |
| 19:07.40 | Patlabor221 | a case file is wwhat is ISP can choose to keep |
| 19:07.43 | Patlabor221 | you are just input to that |
| 19:07.52 | Patlabor221 | have you contacted his ISP to find out what they need as evedence? |
| 19:08.30 | Patlabor221 | if it was my server, I'd have contacted the abbuse email asking what they need for a report |
| 19:08.31 | kierra | blast007: ping |
| 19:08.53 | Patlabor221 | each individual server owner should be doing that |
| 19:09.03 | Patlabor221 | so they know it's a widespread problem |
| 19:09.10 | Patlabor221 | not some single big "report" |
| 19:09.39 | kierra | THAT is something positive coming out of your texts finally |
| 19:09.42 | Patlabor221 | and your report should deal with JUST the attacks on your server's IP |
| 19:09.51 | Patlabor221 | well it's somethign YOU can do |
| 19:09.59 | Patlabor221 | it's not something the Project iself can do |
| 19:10.09 | Patlabor221 | the project maintains no internet servers |
| 19:10.21 | Patlabor221 | all services are provided by contractors |
| 19:10.23 | kierra | you assume bec ppl discuss here a problem that they want the project to work magic |
| 19:10.55 | Patlabor221 | what else would "We" mean in a channel for the project |
| 19:11.07 | Patlabor221 | I assume server owners know how they want to run the servers they own |
| 19:11.18 | Patlabor221 | if they don't then I assume they would ask questions about what THEY could do |
| 19:11.23 | Patlabor221 | not some mystical "we" |
| 19:12.43 | kierra | always so helpful |
| 19:12.44 | Patlabor221 | I think everyone that was attacked should have contacted the ISP long ago and I am baffled why you haven't |
| 19:12.55 | Patlabor221 | but it is not my place to tell you how to run your server ;) |
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| 19:14.02 | zuii | i wonder what is he doing |
| 19:14.06 | zuii | blast.. |
| 19:14.21 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 19:14.27 | zuii | i was googling.. |
| 19:15.08 | Patlabor221 | google auth is always an option :) |
| 19:15.17 | zuii | hehe |
| 19:15.31 | zuii | i actually found tcp syn proxy |
| 19:15.49 | MarderIII | Hello, is it me or is bzflag.org unreachable? |
| 19:16.03 | zuii | yes it is unreachable |
| 19:16.09 | MarderIII | thnx. |
| 19:16.22 | zuii | spanish guy killed our fun |
| 19:16.58 | MarderIII | What does he hope to gain by that? |
| 19:17.10 | zuii | cos someone banned him, and he had no ...cake for birthday |
| 19:17.12 | *** part/#bzflag thrakt (cz3141@gateway/shell/devio.us/x-degxlltyfthlrwon) |
| 19:17.41 | zuii | is he just ddos? or passwords stolen? |
| 19:17.56 | Patlabor221 | MarderIII, entertainment |
| 19:18.06 | Patlabor221 | there has not been any data breach |
| 19:18.07 | alcatraz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.11 | Patlabor221 | it's just DDOS |
| 19:18.16 | alcatraz | no passwords leaked |
| 19:18.24 | alcatraz | i just checked pastebin :P |
| 19:18.30 | zuii | :) |
| 19:18.47 | alcatraz | but a north korean tryed to sell me something :P |
| 19:19.18 | Patlabor221 | we are not discussing that here |
| 19:19.37 | alcatraz | s/he said its bzflag related :P |
| 19:19.43 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 19:19.49 | zuii | its a mans business |
| 19:20.03 | Patlabor221 | what? |
| 19:20.14 | alcatraz | just go knock at the hackers door and ask him to stop |
| 19:20.23 | Patlabor221 | you are welcome to do that |
| 19:20.26 | alcatraz | if he sais no, just take the fuze out |
| 19:20.43 | alcatraz | if the fuzebox is outside |
| 19:20.59 | alcatraz | if its in the basement, you can burn the house down |
| 19:21.05 | Patlabor221 | ok, no |
| 19:21.11 | Patlabor221 | you are not discussing that kind of stuff here |
| 19:21.14 | Patlabor221 | even if you joke |
| 19:21.16 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 19:22.05 | kierra | hguys |
| 19:22.23 | zuii | what? fuzebox? |
| 19:22.25 | kierra | serious talk here.....nonsense can go to #bzflag-chat |
| 19:22.48 | Patlabor221 | or even elsewhere |
| 19:25.36 | MarderIII | channel #hell ? |
| 19:25.55 | alcatraz | question |
| 19:25.56 | Patlabor221 | if you have a project called that, sure |
| 19:26.06 | alcatraz | if you knew who the hacker is |
| 19:26.16 | alcatraz | like if you knew its me |
| 19:26.22 | alcatraz | and you knew i'm from x country |
| 19:26.49 | alcatraz | even have my recent IPs and knew the city i live in |
| 19:26.56 | alcatraz | would that be of any help? |
| 19:27.26 | Patlabor221 | the server owners who wanted to report could possibly use that info with the various authorities they contacted |
| 19:27.44 | Patlabor221 | if that information is known it should be given IN PRIVATE to those owners |
| 19:27.51 | Patlabor221 | and not posted here or on any of our public services |
| 19:28.19 | kierra | feel free to pm me, guys |
| 19:28.33 | alcatraz | its not about htat |
| 19:28.40 | alcatraz | posting it pubicly |
| 19:28.53 | alcatraz | i think youre too concerned with that |
| 19:29.03 | alcatraz | but, I think it can be done |
| 19:29.20 | alcatraz | trace the ip |
| 19:29.31 | alcatraz | he also played on different servers today and the past days |
| 19:30.02 | alcatraz | and i dont think he went thru any proxies, because the lag seemed ok |
| 19:30.14 | alcatraz | cant we use this? |
| 19:30.16 | Patlabor221 | that is up to you and NOT something to be discussed here |
| 19:30.23 | Patlabor221 | the project can not |
| 19:30.28 | Patlabor221 | individuals may |
| 19:30.36 | Patlabor221 | and your discussion of that would have to be pivate |
| 19:30.40 | alcatraz | ok |
| 19:30.56 | Patlabor221 | it may violate privacy laws, that's why not here |
| 19:31.06 | Patlabor221 | and it's not the focus of this channel |
| 19:31.12 | Patlabor221 | enfoods |
| 19:31.20 | alcatraz | i understand, i was just talking posibilities |
| 19:34.58 | zuii | well i told him to use his effort to create better ui/hud for bzflag, when he boasted with his cheats |
| 19:35.19 | zuii | he said he will stop ddos after he is unbanned... |
| 19:37.40 | kierra | heard that before re mofo server where he was banned....then begins to armtwist other server owners |
| 19:38.43 | kierra | he blew a good deal with mofo months ago and then began the threats |
| 19:45.37 | zuii | lovely people |
| 20:15.37 | *** join/#bzflag Penguin_ (1f1821dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.24.33.221) |
| 20:16.12 | Penguin_ | hi |
| 20:16.20 | Penguin_ | can't i access to bzflag.org |
| 20:16.26 | Penguin_ | help me please |
| 20:17.43 | Penguin_ | how do i setup a public server? |
| 20:18.02 | kierra | hi Penguin_ |
| 20:19.04 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o blast007] by ChanServ |
| 20:19.10 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Penguin_] by blast007 |
| 20:19.17 | Penguin_ | hello |
| 20:19.32 | Penguin_ | can you help me? |
| 20:19.53 | kierra | maybe :) |
| 20:19.58 | kierra | what do you need |
| 20:20.07 | Penguin_ | how do i setup a public server? |
| 20:20.14 | blast007 | right now? or later? |
| 20:20.28 | blast007 | cuz right now you can't ;) |
| 20:20.32 | Penguin_ | right now |
| 20:20.36 | Penguin_ | why? |
| 20:20.42 | blast007 | list server is offline |
| 20:21.24 | Penguin_ | i know i am the kaker :D XD just kidding, but if you wanna talk about that :) i am here if not i know that you ban me, chose an option |
| 20:21.40 | *** mode/#bzflag [-v Penguin_] by blast007 |
| 20:21.51 | kierra | rofl....titere! |
| 20:22.30 | kierra | Have any of you gone zip lining in Costa RIca? |
| 20:22.51 | blast007 | I've got a Zip drive, does that count? |
| 20:23.19 | kierra | thats kind of a flash in the pan if you ask me |
| 20:24.45 | blast007 | The click of death! |
| 20:24.59 | Penguin_ | what is that? |
| 20:25.24 | blast007 | a click. of death. |
| 20:25.48 | Penguin_ | ok |
| 20:26.41 | *** part/#bzflag Penguin_ (1f1821dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.24.33.221) |
| 20:27.21 | *** join/#bzflag Penguin_ (1f1821dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.24.33.221) |
| 20:27.48 | Penguin_ | i am reading the click of death in wikipedia |
| 20:30.18 | *** join/#bzflag zuii (~akos@BC06BD4B.catv.pool.telekom.hu) |
| 20:30.41 | zuii | thank you |
| 20:36.45 | Penguin_ | Is up to me. Don't you want to talk with me :-) ? |
| 20:36.57 | Patlabor221 | I am groot |
| 20:37.08 | Penguin_ | i want to create a server-mod |
| 20:37.11 | Patlabor221 | I am groot |
| 20:39.54 | *** join/#bzflag _Penguin_ (2ea5c501@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.165.197.1) |
| 20:40.12 | _Penguin_ | i will call it "Infection" |
| 20:40.21 | Patlabor221 | I am groot |
| 20:40.26 | _Penguin_ | Humans vs Zombies |
| 20:40.29 | Patlabor221 | I am groot |
| 20:42.15 | _Penguin_ | then unban me :) and i will create that servermod |
| 20:42.18 | Patlabor221 | I am groot |
| 20:42.36 | _Penguin_ | i have great ideas :) |
| 20:42.39 | Patlabor221 | I am groot |
| 20:56.06 | _Penguin_ | sure? |
| 20:56.39 | _Penguin_ | I will become crazy if you don't answer me AAAAAAAAAAAH |
| 20:56.48 | _Penguin_ | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! |
| 20:57.06 | _Penguin_ | crazy O_O |
| 20:57.32 | Patlabor221 | do we need/want nat punch thru for desktop servers? |
| 20:57.57 | Patlabor221 | and yes I have lost my mind, but there are reasons |
| 20:58.21 | _Penguin_ | O_O please i don't want to be a crazy |
| 20:59.58 | _Penguin_ | Piety |
| 21:00.26 | Patlabor221 | I'm wondering if it will make too many badly admined servers |
| 21:02.14 | Flash | there are too many servers period (or not enough players) so what's a few dozen badly admin'd more going to matter? |
| 21:03.03 | Flash | and I guess I'm naive, but how can we implement NAT punch through? |
| 21:03.16 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 21:03.17 | Flash | somewhere, there needs to be a well known IP/port |
| 21:03.22 | Patlabor221 | it's a feature of Raknet |
| 21:03.30 | Patlabor221 | I'm curious if I should care about it |
| 21:03.33 | Flash | interesting |
| 21:03.39 | Patlabor221 | third party libs FTW! |
| 21:04.20 | _Penguin_ | i will be alive when you release the new bzflag |
| 21:05.16 | Patlabor221 | but yeah there is some magic to it with ports and such |
| 21:05.53 | _Penguin_ | fuck yeah my powers are back :D |
| 21:06.25 | blast007 | Patlabor221: we already have a UPnP option on the server that just isn't built by default |
| 21:06.30 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 21:06.32 | Patlabor221 | so it'd be similar |
| 21:06.34 | blast007 | (and may be linux only) |
| 21:06.48 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 21:06.55 | Flash | UPnP FTL |
| 21:07.22 | blast007 | well, it was a server thing after all, and nobody hosts on Windows ;) |
| 21:07.22 | *** part/#bzflag _Penguin_ (2ea5c501@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.165.197.1) |
| 21:08.01 | Patlabor221 | true |
| 21:08.17 | Patlabor221 | thats why I'm wondering if nat puch is something we even care about |
| 21:08.46 | blast007 | nope |
| 21:08.56 | *** join/#bzflag _Penguin_ (45af5502@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.175.85.2) |
| 21:09.16 | _Penguin_ | hey :D this connection is from EEUU Chicago |
| 21:11.05 | blast007 | Nobody goes to Freeza planet 419, not after it's species mysteriously repopulated... |
| 21:26.27 | kierra | not since i met my husband anyway |
| 21:26.32 | kierra | but that was years ago |
| 21:27.13 | Patlabor221 | the cleanup after that took too long |
| 21:27.21 | Patlabor221 | there is still a stain on that rug |
| 21:27.30 | Patlabor221 | I should proalby just throw it away |
| 22:14.46 | kierra | having a blast playing bzflag, bbl |
| 22:23.15 | *** join/#bzflag zuii (~akos@BC06BD4B.catv.pool.telekom.hu) |
| 22:29.50 | *** join/#bzflag mtnbkr (~mtnbkr@unaffiliated/mtnbkr) |
| 22:59.41 | alcatraz | nite guys |
| 23:13.19 | kierra | blast007: |