| 00:00.24 | blast007 | cool, with SDL2, launching BZFlag from Steam no longer results in everything bring typed in caps by default |
| 00:00.27 | blast007 | being* |
| 00:00.53 | RoscoePColtrain | what's the benefit of launching from Steam? |
| 00:01.08 | RoscoePColtrain | I downloaded it, and played one game there, but didn't see the point |
| 00:02.20 | blast007 | I don't personally do it, but it was reported as an issue in the past |
| 00:42.43 | the_map | some guy had an issue where random letters would get capitalized, *sometimes* |
| 00:45.53 | blast007 | that sounDs odd |
| 00:54.06 | the_map | it was much worse than that |
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| 01:59.24 | alezakos | the_map: tHaT GUy wAs mE |
| 02:13.57 | the_map | don't think so |
| 02:14.07 | the_map | and it wasn't that consistent :P |
| 02:14.18 | the_map | it was random characters that got capitalized |
| 02:14.46 | the_map | at least, you're not the guy I'm talking about |
| 02:22.57 | alezakos | yeah, I |
| 02:23.01 | alezakos | 'm probably not |
| 02:23.07 | alezakos | but I did have that issue with steam |
| 02:23.37 | the_map | the guy asked me for help, which means he knows less about bzflag than I do |
| 02:23.42 | the_map | it wasn't you :P |
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| 04:28.22 | macsforme | SDL 2 seems perfectly well-behaved now under ubuntu... not sure what I thought I remembered the problem being |
| 04:31.54 | macsforme | and Ubuntu 16.04 even has SDL 2.0.4 in it :) |
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| 16:48.30 | blast007 | hmm.. thinking about changing the default stored chat lines on the chathistory plugin from 1000 to 50 |
| 16:49.20 | blast007 | it's per player, and there's no way you could return that many lines without being booted off the server (we already have issues with long ban files causing that when doing a /banlist) |
| 17:02.17 | the_map | there's a /chathistory command? |
| 17:02.34 | the_map | I've always used shift-F2 |
| 18:02.11 | blast007 | this is a server plugin that tracks player chat and lets an admin retrieve it |
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| 20:44.26 | allejo | hmm would it be bad if a plug-in could call events? say a plug-in wants to throw a bz_eGameStartEvent for custom game modes |
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| 21:07.36 | blast007 | I think the API is broken enough already |
| 21:11.42 | allejo | hehe |
| 21:12.33 | allejo | 2.6 refactor! |
| 21:13.33 | blast007 | maybe I'll just remove the API for 2.6 :P |
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| 21:13.40 | blast007 | if I forked, I probably would |
| 21:13.44 | allejo | whyyyy |
| 21:14.13 | blast007 | actually I don't think I would even fork anymore.. |
| 21:15.11 | allejo | i don't see why you'd take objection to the api though |
| 21:15.25 | blast007 | same reason I'd probably kill off the BZDB stuff |
| 21:15.39 | allejo | which is...? |
| 21:15.46 | blast007 | adds a lot of complexity and cruft and increases the learning curve |
| 21:16.07 | RoscoePColtrain | it's only cruft if it adds no value |
| 21:16.19 | RoscoePColtrain | seems like the API is what makes the game stay alive |
| 21:16.26 | RoscoePColtrain | clever map plugins and all |
| 21:16.47 | allejo | ^ |
| 21:17.47 | blast007 | the API in the current state is barely usable and horribly inconsistent |
| 21:18.08 | blast007 | the HTTP server API sucks, the HTTP client API randomly decides to stop working |
| 21:18.09 | RoscoePColtrain | that's different from saying you would remove it entirely |
| 21:18.33 | allejo | inconsistent, yes. the HTTP API is lacking. but i use everything else just fine |
| 21:19.25 | blast007 | well, I was half joking about removing it, thus the :P |
| 21:19.42 | blast007 | but I don't even know where we'd start with "cleaning it up" |
| 21:20.17 | RoscoePColtrain | identify the worst objections |
| 21:20.18 | allejo | find a better way to handle events for now |
| 21:20.24 | blast007 | RoscoePColtrain: "the API" |
| 21:20.33 | RoscoePColtrain | lol |
| 21:21.07 | blast007 | using C++ for it is pretty horrid |
| 21:21.28 | RoscoePColtrain | meh |
| 21:21.39 | blast007 | we've had to create our own data types just so it works on Windows, since you can't pass STL containers past the DLL boundary, supposedly |
| 21:21.51 | RoscoePColtrain | that is true |
| 21:21.56 | RoscoePColtrain | it's templates in general |
| 21:22.01 | RoscoePColtrain | and not just windows |
| 21:23.38 | RoscoePColtrain | we could rewrite the whole thing in Python |
| 21:24.02 | blast007 | or Angelscript |
| 21:24.12 | RoscoePColtrain | haven't heard of that one |
| 21:24.16 | blast007 | http://www.angelcode.com/angelscript/ |
| 21:25.24 | BulletCatcher | I'm sure that https://github.com/BZFlag-Dev/bzflag-archive/tree/pybzflag only needs a few changes to make it compatible with 2.4. :-) |
| 21:25.25 | RoscoePColtrain | I wouldn't recommend that |
| 21:25.53 | RoscoePColtrain | anglescript, not pybzflag |
| 21:25.57 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: hehehe.. last I tried, I had to modify PyOpenGL files to make it run |
| 21:26.01 | blast007 | RoscoePColtrain: why? |
| 21:26.02 | RoscoePColtrain | been a long time since I looked at that |
| 21:26.10 | RoscoePColtrain | single source vendor |
| 21:26.31 | RoscoePColtrain | unless we were willing to take it over, if needed |
| 21:27.03 | RoscoePColtrain | I've seen a lot of really useful FOSS wither and die |
| 21:27.12 | RoscoePColtrain | hate to be dependent on dead code |
| 21:27.42 | blast007 | like c-ares? :) |
| 21:27.50 | RoscoePColtrain | sure |
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| 22:09.48 | the_map | <<blast007>> but I don't even know where we'd start with "cleaning it up" |
| 22:09.58 | the_map | `rm -rf API/*` |
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