| 00:11.41 | blast007 | for the AUTHORS file, is it just adding them under Code Contributors? |
| 00:36.49 | BulletCatcher | yes |
| 00:40.49 | blast007 | and I'm adding both Ruslan Hihin and Aleksandr Lahin because both were mentioned as authors in the file |
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| 00:45.35 | BZnotify | [13bzflag] 15blast007 pushed 1 new commit to 062.4: 02https://git.io/vPEt2 |
| 00:45.35 | BZnotify | 13bzflag/062.4 1438827b9 15Scott Wichser: Accept Russian transliteration from Ruslan Hihin and Aleksandr Lahin. Closes #51. |
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| 00:48.22 | blast007 | ah, that was a transliteration of the Russian translation we had in 2.99.x :) |
| 00:48.50 | blast007 | ÐлекÑÐ°Ð½Ð´Ñ ÐаÑ
ин --> Aleksandr Lahin |
| 00:50.30 | blast007 | would Russian characters be bad in our AUTHORS file or within a comment in the language file? |
| 00:50.48 | blast007 | or should I just leave it as-is? |
| 00:53.19 | the_map | out of curiosity, what is the point of russian transliteration? if it's just russian letters for english words, won't that be pointless, because someone would have to know english to read it anyway? |
| 00:54.04 | blast007 | it's latin letters for Russian words |
| 00:54.48 | the_map | oh, ok, that makes sense |
| 00:54.56 | blast007 | http://www.translit.cc/ "The word Transliteration comes from Latin transliteratus (trans- "across" + littera "letter"). Transliteration is the method of representing letters or words of one alphabet in the characters of another alphabet or script. A special case, when transliteration applied to Russian letters to represent them in Latin characters is called Translit. Initially translit was applied only |
| 00:55.03 | blast007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.05 | blast007 | ... (known as "Russian translit") to transliterate Cyrillic texts and later was widely applied to many other Non-Latin languages and alphabets." |
| 00:56.06 | the_map | yeah, I'm familiar with transliteration; I thought it was going the other way though (english with russian characters) |
| 00:57.17 | BulletCatcher | I suspect that cyrillic characters in AUTHORS would be more confusing than helpful. |
| 00:58.16 | blast007 | k |
| 01:06.52 | blast007 | for this PR, do I "Create a merge commit" or "Rebase and merge"? (This is from the web) |
| 01:06.58 | blast007 | the PR being the new logo |
| 01:07.05 | blast007 | banner |
| 01:19.03 | the_map | I just did `git pull origin 2.4` followed by `make -j5`, and it failed |
| 01:19.40 | blast007 | did you run autogen.sh and configure before make? |
| 01:19.50 | the_map | ...nope |
| 01:20.45 | the_map | ok, it's working now |
| 01:21.15 | the_map | thanks |
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| 01:42.22 | BZnotify | [13bzflag] 15blast007 closed pull request #57: Bump title banner for 2.4.8 (062.4...06248-banner) 02https://git.io/vPBpW |
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| 01:48.15 | BZnotify | [13bzflag] 15blast007 pushed 1 new commit to 062.4: 02https://git.io/vPEOi |
| 01:48.15 | BZnotify | 13bzflag/062.4 14d85df04 15Scott Wichser: Change versions to 2.4.8 |
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| 01:52.09 | macsforme | KaadmY: but is it cheat free? |
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| 01:52.47 | BZnotify | [13bzflag] 15blast007 tagged 06v2.4.8 at 14f57a22b: 02https://git.io/vPEOd |
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| 01:53.10 | macsforme | more seriously, how are you using draw lists with GL 2.1? |
| 01:53.27 | KaadmY | macsforme: display lists? |
| 01:53.36 | KaadmY | macsforme: it is 100% cheat free |
| 01:53.44 | KaadmY | networking is broken so you can't cheat |
| 01:53.54 | macsforme | ah, good technique |
| 01:53.57 | blast007 | nature finds a way |
| 01:53.57 | KaadmY | :D |
| 01:54.02 | KaadmY | trying to get it working right now |
| 01:54.14 | KaadmY | it already works but it's too hardcoded for my liking |
| 01:54.22 | macsforme | and yeah, display lists... are you not using VBOs? |
| 01:54.37 | KaadmY | nope |
| 01:54.41 | KaadmY | gl 2.1 doesn't support VBOs |
| 01:54.41 | KaadmY | ' |
| 01:54.54 | KaadmY | does have vertex arrays though |
| 01:55.24 | macsforme | uh |
| 01:55.25 | KaadmY | and my current rendering setup is modular enough so i can replace display lists with vertex arrays pretty easily |
| 01:55.44 | blast007 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertex_Buffer_Object#Example_usage_in_C_Using_OpenGL_2.1 |
| 01:55.53 | KaadmY | huh |
| 01:56.02 | blast007 | 1.5 added VBOs |
| 01:56.50 | KaadmY | okay i have the wrong term then |
| 01:57.21 | macsforme | you might have meant VAOs, which came later |
| 01:57.30 | KaadmY | probably |
| 01:57.39 | KaadmY | i keep getting the two backwards :( |
| 01:57.47 | KaadmY | and i have gotten shaders working before |
| 01:58.05 | macsforme | are you using fixed-function commands? I don't see how you are doing shader stuff in display lists |
| 01:58.10 | KaadmY | no shaders yet |
| 01:58.18 | macsforme | ah |
| 01:58.48 | macsforme | so what GL 2.1 features are you using? :P |
| 01:59.20 | KaadmY | nothing much |
| 01:59.36 | KaadmY | i don't think gl 1/1.1 is really needed anyway |
| 01:59.42 | KaadmY | 2.1 is about the mimimum nowaways |
| 01:59.52 | KaadmY | anything less will probably be too slow anyway |
| 02:01.25 | macsforme | more that using the fixed-function pipeline is a completely different way of drawing |
| 02:01.31 | blast007 | but what if I want to play on my XP laptop from 2008 that only has 1.3? |
| 02:01.38 | KaadmY | 1 |
| 02:01.46 | KaadmY | blast007: too bad :P |
| 02:01.52 | blast007 | good answer ;) |
| 02:01.55 | KaadmY | you're the one that wants gl 3 in bzflag i thought |
| 02:02.04 | blast007 | I am :) |
| 02:02.11 | KaadmY | hmm |
| 02:02.14 | blast007 | well, not in BZ |
| 02:02.15 | KaadmY | didn't know you're Opengl 3 |
| 02:02.17 | blast007 | in the new game |
| 02:02.27 | KaadmY | mine is a new game |
| 02:02.30 | blast007 | I am the hype |
| 02:02.37 | KaadmY | new doesn't neccesarily mean good |
| 02:02.51 | KaadmY | hmm |
| 02:02.57 | macsforme | a laptop from 2008 only had 1.3? my 2006 macbook pro had 2.1... |
| 02:03.00 | KaadmY | my modified entity network system doesn't crash |
| 02:03.06 | KaadmY | i have a 2008 laptop |
| 02:03.07 | blast007 | macsforme: what kind of GPU though? |
| 02:03.13 | KaadmY | has 1.5 hardware, mesa goes up to 2.1 |
| 02:03.18 | macsforme | ATI something |
| 02:03.19 | blast007 | oh, and no, it was 2006, not 2008 |
| 02:03.21 | KaadmY | gtg |
| 02:03.23 | blast007 | and it was intel |
| 02:03.36 | macsforme | ah |
| 02:03.51 | blast007 | one step up from the cheapest thinkpad at the time ;) |
| 02:04.02 | blast007 | basically got the Pentium M instead of the Celeron M |
| 02:04.16 | blast007 | but that Pentium M is still not a bad chip |
| 02:05.59 | blast007 | that system boots about as fast on my 6-core hyperthreaded Windows 7 system with an NVMe SSD |
| 02:41.59 | BulletCatcher | 2.4.8 is defective. |
| 02:42.00 | BulletCatcher | It gives me no advantage whatsoever over other versions. |
| 02:43.29 | blast007 | don't worry, 2.4.10 is gonna add Gameshark support |
| 02:49.30 | macsforme | BulletCatcher: can you comment on the MPL pull request? |
| 02:51.57 | macsforme | and why is our new release called "Twelve?" :P |
| 02:52.24 | blast007 | oh god |
| 02:52.33 | blast007 | tear down all the things |
| 02:52.35 | blast007 | abort abort |
| 02:52.52 | blast007 | oh, I just screwed up the forum post? |
| 02:52.55 | macsforme | the changelog says "sixteen" |
| 02:53.55 | blast007 | glad I just screwed up the post, not the whole release :P |
| 02:54.39 | macsforme | I guess I owe Apple another $100 |
| 02:59.31 | Notify | 03BZFlag:Flak 18 * 9068 /Main_Page: updated to latest release |
| 03:00.16 | BulletCatcher | Twelve is the new Sixteen. |
| 03:00.45 | BulletCatcher | Will do, macsforme. |
| 03:00.52 | macsforme | thanks |
| 03:25.28 | macsforme | I need to set up a mac os x sierra environment for the latest Xcode, and possibly renew my account to get new developer keys, before I will have the mac build ready... so no sooner than tomorrow |
| 03:53.55 | the_map | is now running BZFlag 2.4.8 |
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| 14:09.07 | blast007 | macsforme: any idea if this is gonna affect us? https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2016/10/11/poll-on-mac-10-12-is-broken/ looks like cURL is gonna work around it in the upcoming 7.51.0 release |
| 14:18.58 | blast007 | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12683334 |
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